With the recent coming of improved netcode there is still a long road ahead of us until Quake Live leaves its beta stage. This thread is to summarize a sort of wishlist of the competetive portion of players.

The idea is that all of you ESR users contribute to this thread by adding features and or fixes you'd like to see in the future. By bumping already existing features in the wishlist the priority will increase accordingly.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1478234

welcome to 2 years ago

Welcome to the future.

Why did you delete what you wrote, make a new reply, and then delete it and put the original back? They're all bad, so don't put so much effort into it.

We're in the PRESENT, and your thread is a useless extension of the QZ sandbox thread.

I wouldn't say this thread is useless. It's new, not outdated and will hopefully bring some discussion to what people feel are the most wanted additions today as opposed to two years ago. Feel free to ignore this thread and continue in the old one.

Nothing has changed in 2 years.

Your comments are only meant to provoke and don't deserve any new replies.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1800102#pid1800102

http://web.archive.org/web/20080302133917/htt...id=1478234

Oh, cool. So QL needs more ".'

more obituary lines

duelers that have the guts to play more maps

PLEASE

THANK YOU

Stat tracking over a period of time other than since the day you started, so you can tell how well your accuracy is recently, say over a day/week/few games, etc... probably best as a premium account feature

Fuck off with your premium account bullshit.

agree! Just like the guys over at http://bf2s.com

I disagree that this would best serve as a premium feature, if such things are added only for premium then it would add the 'pay to get anything other than basic' features stink. I mean, premium should be like one of your friends getting cable TV, he makes servers, sets up tourneys and you all can participate without having premium, you don't get less information about your games\less commands and the one who bough premium will only benefit more from being the admin (such a benefit... :) and exclusive models and so forth.

Pro-Vehicles

And F16's would be awesome!

I would like to drive a Leopard with 100000 armour and firing 15000 ups rockets with 10000 damage.

Previous results vs friends.. cus i can never remember who i beat in my friends list :(

Can't understand why there isn't gtv.
It was one of the big failures of q4.
And when there was gtv, the most great games where passed.

Two things that really bug me are the stretched crosshairs on non 4:3 resolutions and the one-line chat.

Both are annoying and easy to fix, but have been there for a long time.

"ESR" spray logo

:D

haha
Having any spray logo would be cool if it's not hard to do, and could be only for the premium (or without premium, you only get QL and ESR logos =D), that's a minor priority thing tho.

Customer crosshairs would be nice!

I'd like to buy the green one over there - yes, thanks!

Lol, i didnt see the "r"

Brain must of been on autotype.. (i have to write customer alot)

Armour stats, just copy the stats from CPMa really.

* damage rcvd/given stats (they are already there but only visible for best/worst of a game)
* 2on2 tdm mode
* multi-view-demos

voice communication yes no maybe?

Voice communication would be so awesome.

If Valve can pull it off so can id!

Advertisement of QL!

Priority: Medium

2v2 tdm servers!

Thats it I'm changing my nick, you guys get too confused with the big B and zero.

SOUND FIX !!!, adding ladder, where to play ladder game u use duel detecitve to find games, aoutbalance in public team games (with possible swtich it off by vote), votekick to free last slot during game ;/

i dont see gtv as high...other than the shit esl stream (that octoshape shit ruins my browser so that no other pages load and i have to reboot before things work again) i think the streams are pretty good quality i.e. holysh1t & lvl^

new maps = required. if theyre too lazy to regularly create new maps then they should set up some map repository where people can upload their own & id just run around on them & select the good ones...

replace vq3 with cpm movement = ideal but unlikely

some kind of footie mod in the spirit of the world cup like steam has (Y)

2GD gives great commentary, it's just a shame they use that octoshape crap :/

2gd gives shit commentary

joe gives great commentary but i havent seen him in a while because esl's stream is like 2gds commentary

I see you don't understand duel, or Quake for that matter.

- FreezeTag
- battle.net-ranking service
- Live Scores of some Pro matches on billboards
- Mapping Contest(s) (that one is sooooo easy to pull off)
- Even tho I think it's not possible (that easily) I still think it's good for n00bs: http://esreality.hexus.net/?a=post&id=1778452

I so agree that "new maps!!11eleven" should be "mapping contest"! BAM. Hardly any work for the id guys and the community makes its own content

Im against widescreen support, no game should have it so there would be a way to force monitor producents to still make more natural 4:3 ones, instead of widescreen with cut off top and bottom :P

Not to mention the recent idea to sell FullHD computer monitors, which use different aspect ratio than traditional widescreen PC resolutions. Not to mention they are actualy a bit smaller, I heard that they are able to make about 33 16:9 instead of 30 16:10 from the same wafer (is thats the right english word in case of matrices production?).

don't normal monitors support high enough resolutions already? what are they changign in fullHD monitors? making the pixels smaller and closer together?

They do. While FullHD is 1920x1080, the proper computer traditional 16:10 widescreen is WUXGA which is 1920x1200. They are normaly available, but slowly dissapearing from market cause producers are replacing them with lower FullHD resolution monitors. The reason is that due all the marketing people think that FullHD are better ones, not understanding that the resolution is actualy lower and there is nothing else to it.

Sudden conversion of widescreen aspect ratio from computer 16:10 to cinematic 16:9 is not only unjustified lowering quality, but also disturbs continuity of standards.

so they're not even hightening the pixel density... retards...

To increase density they would have to actualy decrease the diagonal size. I guess they are selling also some smaller factor monitors with FullHD where normaly they used 1680x1050 or lower (usualy laptop screens), but since we talk about native resolution screens that are also used to work, Im not completly sold on the idea.

yeah, when i first read your comment about fullHD comptuer monitors, i thought of something like this:

1920x1200 Monitor with a higher pixel density and thus a little smaller but a "sharper" image.

never would i have thought that they just reduce the actual pixels to the fullHD TV-Format standard.
that is the most retarded thing, but also a logical move, from a commercial standing point.

I hate this widescreen shit, but there is even more coming! 21:9 cinema resolution for TVs....I mean, what? Seriously.

The producers are slowly losing the edge imo if they continue to only go for what can be marketed best. Many brand names stood for quality and customer service once, but got "globalized" and now their stuff is the same shit as everyone elses, because it's not really important to build quality and innovation anymore, it just has to look like it trough clever marketing.

I am officially doing the opposite, I buy stuff that stands for quality. If I am satisfied, I will buy that companies stuff before others, if I am disappointed I seldom buy anything from that company again.

/end rant

they need to stop all these fucking popups when you first login

the friends list crap? yeah that's really annoying.

ye...its fine after a while and you get this casual popup but when you initially login in trying to follow a player you have to close like 15 boxes before you can manage to click his match link

agreed.

watch this & agree too http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1795691

Seriously, what is it with you "promoting" that show? :)

if only there would be some hide popup checkboxes in your profile :/

ZING!

a working sound engine, offline mode for demos/practice against bots, all the over 9000 cvars added in the last 25 updates to be accessible trough the menu, noob-friendly features such as killcam in public CA servers, voice comms, a simple "press mouse1 to spawn" msg (cant believe that isnt in the game already) and also the obvious GTV/new maps/working netcode.
And finally, more developer blogs or stop using the fucking "its a beta!111" excuse.

Well said on all points - especially the really poor sound!

also cpma scoreboard, cpma stats, freezetag, hooneymode, sg nerf, removal of cg_drawitempickups or atleast force it off if u are tier 4/5 in duel, promode nades, fixed vertexlightning, cg_gunoffset rather than cg_gun cvars, put retarded cvars such as cg_bob and cg_kickscale to default to 0 so noobs can actually play the game without having to mess around with console and configs (which ID amazingly blocked/made it harder to acess for some weird reason).

For premium:
Local private servers that only work on LAN.
Would allow small tourneys\LAN practice. The servers could just shut down if there's no connection to id servers for more than 2 minutes (for downloading adds\reporting stats) and also have a ping limit ( <5?) for detecting virtual LAN abuse, all done via the host preferably, as sometimes connecting to the internet is a hassle if you're there just for the tourney.
I don't see how that would damage QL if done correctly. Id wouldn't have an excuse to fly all over the world just to provide servers for whatever big tourney that's going on tho, that's the only minus I can see.
If I missed something, please share.

HUB3AEROQL!!!!!!!!!

A less manipulative spawn system for duel.

Air-strikes and upgradeable weapons.

a /scores command

picmipped weapon gfx and a cg_nomip.
cg_showplayerlean
timeout

+

100 dmg rail headshots

[-]

cg_forceenemymodel orbb

15 - 7 - 7 groin lg, devastating at close range.

15 - 7 - 7 groin lg, devastating at close range.

That sounds like a really stupid idea

no no, I'm serious.

15 dmg if you hit the groin area at short range.
Think not only of the gameplay depth but also of the possibilities for commentating!

do not want. nobody would stand a chance against kgb.

YES! and maybe random recoil firing as well!

aerowalk
gtv
ability to play offline

a playable turbo turkey puncher

Play Doom3 then.

LET US CHOOSE INSTALLATION FOLDER!

u can but it's quite complicated.

Until they get private servers or tourneys servers, etc I have about zero interest in QL. The only real thing I care a lot about.

Would be nice if the fixed all the sound issues. Both the major ones like the positional audio being absolute trash. And the minor ones like s_ambient 0 not turning off all the ambient noises (t9 is a good example of this) and some of the sounds being around 5x louder than everything else (hit by nails sound).

- Damage stats for all players
- Pokemons
- Built-in voddler support while waiting for the opposing team to get their asses out of the lg room on dm20 in ca
- The ability to use a duck hunt nintendo zapper for raged instagibbers

Trivia : Hunter is going after mudkips these days.

FIX POSITIONAL SOUND ALREADY


caps lock makes it more true

ID team capable of making the game better than CPMA in less than 10 years.

wouldn't be nice if id gave us a really cool christmas present - like a xmas map or xmas skins, just over the festive period!

I agree

Positional audio seems to be the one thing that keeps annoying me on a daily basis.

The lack of in QL, or are there problems with this positional audio too?

The sound drop issue is more annoying now, but mostly I'd like new maps.

Maybe a pool of 3 new duel maps, so at the LEAST we can get one new map out of it.

offline demo player
sound is often bugged and fucks up your game
2v2 tdm servers
chat log, cause everything disappears once you turn the window off

fucking maps.

and if ztn is in why the fuck isn't hub in

stats about which parts of the maps you hang around the most

oh and lets overkill it more

avg speed
avg moved distance
avg jumps per game
avg first jump speed
avg second jump speed
top speed
how many times you were shot from behind
how many comebacks
which quarter of the game i get most of the frags from
how big percentage of the first and second armors i get
how many times i spam smileys
how much i spam (shots without seeing your enemy)
how much do i use walk
smoke grenades
head shot register but same dmg
how accurately i time armors
the air rocket distances
after game insta replay (you bind a key to something like /remember, and after the game you can insta check the replay and show it to your opponent/friends/what ever)

AND REVEAL ELO RANKINGS

AND MORE STATS STATS STATS

+ everything else that has already been mentioned

Access to all of the following "combined" (-mode, -map, -weapon, -powerup etc) would be what you see first but you can then access it through a hierarchy of Mode->Map->Power Up->Weapon.

All can be plotted on a graph and compared against each other/show changes over time (weekly->monthly->yearly) and can be compared against other players.

Mode/Map Stats:
Average Kills
Average Damage
Average Damage per Kill
Average Deaths
Average Damage per death
Average Pickups (All Items)
Average pickups per kill/death!
Average Win/Loss Score (How many frags/point you win or lose by)
Win/Loss Percent
Average Speed
Timing Accuracy
Average Jumps
Average Actions (any +action event)
Top Speed

Weapon Stats (Part of Mode/Map):
Shots/Hits
Average Damage per hit (To factor in Quad)
Average Damage per round/match
Average Pickups per game (Weapon/Ammo)

Powerup Stats (Part of Mode/Map):
Average Kills with Quad/BS/Regen/Haste
Average Length of powerup
Average Health/Armour picked up
Average Damage Given/Received
Average Speed

I imagine the majority of this information is already being processed/recorded so it's just a case of putting it all together in a database (I'd be happy with it being clientside...).

Heat maps with some direction/speed of travel information (Most difficult to achieve effectively) would be nice too.

Maybe "average mouse speed" could be added too.

Come up with some sort of rating system with "attributes" so you could have a Football Manager style profile with graph.

- Performance Improvements
- Sound Improvements
- Comprehensive GUI
- New Maps
- More Statistical Data & Analysis
- Punkbuster Removal/Replacement
- Better Demo Support
- Team Overlay Radar (Even if it's just for spectators)
- GTV
- Multi-View Demos
- Movie Making Tools
- Bright Skins Work in Full Bright (didn't like the new vertex)

- 1 second MAX spawn delay on "pro" servers at the very least
- 0 second MIN spawn delay on "pro" servers at the very least
- Weaker SG
- MG without spread (then adjust damage if required)
- Buff PG
- Reduce RL splash

And lastly, fix the bug where it crashes and disables my network card for about five minutes regardless of how many times I restart.

STATS WIPE FOR NEW HITBOX/NETCODE.

its funny that 99% of what people want in Quakelive we already have in q3, yet no one could tell me 1 single thing that Quakelive has that q3 doesnt have/cant have.

started in browser
many players
automatic updates
cylindirc hitboxes
80 rail dmg

started in browser

Hows that a good thing?

many players

QL has about as many players as any other quake game had at its peak

automatic updates

can easily be done through a mod, warsow has this for instance

cylindirc hitboxes

again, easily done through a mod or patch, afaik arQon made this for QL, which probably means that PMX has the same

80 rail dmg

/cv gp cq3, done.

QL has about as many players as any other quake game had at its peak

Shame q3 is 5years past its peak..

q3 had ten years to achieve all that.
it didn't.

Sure those changes could be done technically, and in some cases were.

Did that work out? Did people actually play cq3?
Nope.

It took years of whine just to switch to cpma vq3.
Changing hitboxes would have taken an eternity if it ever happened.


Oh and warsow is certainly not a simple mod.

-lots of active players
-lots of tourneys with media interest and nice prizes

-lots of active players
-lots of tourneys with media interest and nice prizes

If u ask players (top players atleast) why they play QL, they will say its because it has a lot of tournaments, but if u ask tournaments organizers why they choose QL, its because it has more players than Q3/Q4. The community doesnt realise that we have much more power than we think.
If everyone was to drop QL for Q3, all minor tournaments (LLL cup, fnatic cup, zotac cup, g-data cup...) would quickly pick it up, and eventually bigger tournaments (IEM) would also support the game that has the bigger competitive community.

If everyone was to drop QL for Q3

give me one reason why all those people should suddenly start playing q3 when they haven't done so the last 4 years.

wasnt q3 pretty active in 2008? And if u cant find a reason to play q3 over QL then i guess u havent seen the ridiculous amount of whine for things that QL doesnt have and never will, while they are all rotting in q3 (gtv, map/mod making support, hundreds of cpma features, private servers, proper sound engine..)
Everything that Quakelive has, q3 can have, and even better due to community input and capable modders that do more on their free-time than an entire full-time paid developers team does.
Yes, QL does have somethings better than q3 such as weapon balance (altho cq3 is pretty similar to QL's), respawn timers for spec, tier system, but every one of these things can easily be implemented into cpma 1.48 and its not like they are original (cq3 was invented in like 2003? and respawn timers for specs was an idea posted on promode.org in like 2005 that never got implemented)
Now YOU tell me why we should play QL over q3.

way to misread what i wrote.

I am saying that you can talk all you want, the majority of people chose QL for their own reason, maybe even because Q3 was so divided and had so many mods.
I think the majority of the players don't even follow the qaukelive forum, so no, there is no chance they will switch.

They started plying when QL came out, even though Q3 was available all the time. If that doesn't tell you something, i don't arguments will help here, either.

I am saying that you can talk all you want, the majority of people chose QL for their own reason

the majority of people are dumb, and this applies to pretty much anything in life.

maybe even because Q3 was so divided and had so many mods.

fair point, but its mostly ra3/ospers germans or people that are/were too thick to understand why moving from osp to cpma was a step forward, all the other mods such as excessive plus, instagib have a very small community.

I think the majority of the players don't even follow the qaukelive forum, so no, there is no chance they will switch.

As i said, most people are dumb, not to mention that the majority are casual players that most likely play 2 hours or less per week and never will play competitively. If number of casual players counted for anything, WoW would have more tournaments, prize purse and professional teams than all other games combined, but it doesnt. We dont need casual players, altho we DO need "noobs", and thats where the tier system comes to play.

They started plying when QL came out, even though Q3 was available all the time. If that doesn't tell you something, i don't arguments will help here, either.

I have showed q3 to about 10 people who play cs/cod, 2 of them didnt liked because it wasnt realistic/was too fast, 1 of them didnt liked because the graphics were too ugly/not realistic enough and the rest of them liked, but stopped playing because losing to me 30-0 wasnt fun and there wasnt anybody else to play with.
So the reason newbies dont play q3 is because they dont have any other newbies to play with, and QL "fixed" that by simply being a new game and being advertised, making newbies to try it out, and then playing against other newbies.
When the "newbie" player base dies, which it will, what do we have left? An infinitely inferior game to q3, with zero map/mod making habilities (which broken games like q4 have at the very least) meaning the community cant fix it, and a player base that rivals warsow's.

An infinitely inferior game to q3

QL does have somethings better than q3 such as weapon balance

nough said.

way to miss quote me to prove a point, and u STILL didnt gave me a reason as to why we should play QL rather than q3

I gave you several reasons, you just chose to not accept them

while you claim that all the points I mentioned _could_ be in Q3, they really aren't.
QL does have them now.

So QL has a few things better than Q3, and about a hundred worse or even completely missing, and suddenly QL is better?
You prefer ease to install over hundreds of maps and mods to choose?
You prefer being forced to play 1 gameplay only with fear of the community being split over the choice of playing an actual balanced gameplay (lmao@ QL's sg), that can be changed at any time due to community input?
You prefer having hundreds of useless cvars being added weekly rather than having actual useful ones? (cg_nomip for instance)
You prefer having a shitty netcode that doesnt allow hpb's to properly play the game and allows people to be shot through walls over one of the best netcodes in any game or mod ever made?
You prefer being forced to install plugins in your browser to be able to see low-quality streams with the camera switching povs most of the time, not to mention the horrible commentary (aside from DjWheat and 2GD) and awful configs they use over being able to see GTV with your own config, without annoying commentators, at the highest quality possible and still being able to chat with other spectators?

I told you before, it's pointless to argue about this.

If you want to play Q3 go ahead, noone is stopping you.

i already do, sir. Im just pointing out to people that all their whine and suggestions for Quakelive can already be found in q3, and the stuff thats missing can be added in cpma 1.48 given enough community input.

yes, you did point that out.

But you also requested to tell you things that quake3 doesn't have (quite a few) or can't have.

It's the same story that happened with CPMA VQ3. People kept saying that they preferred OSP, but none of them were willing to take the step until others did... even though everybody else was waiting for the same thing.

These are the same people who were furious about minute changes like the CPMA physics or xerp, but when id changes QL, they're fine with it. They're sheep, and they just want to follow.

There is a diference between following idsoftware and someone who generally called everyone names if thye didn't follow his ideals and thought he was the new messiah.

Turning into becks, or did you misread the post on purpose?

Better anti-lag netcodeing.

Even after the last update, ql isn't really playable with 88+ ping.

Wsw style net codeing would be amazing.

It was before the update, I see no reason why it would be so much worse now. Hitscan still unlagged, projectiles still not unlagged.

It's harder with a high ping of course, a handicap, but that is not the fault of the netcode, that's the internet for you. I doubt wsw is so much more "playable", what do you even mean by that? Cypher would still own us sideways with double the ping of course, no matter how high.

Well ping is a bigger handicap then it is in q3 cpma/wsw/saurbraten and most other fast pace fps games.

I'm sure that it's not a big issue for the average euro or american player, but for anyone who doesn't live in a prime location and comes from a shit hole like israel it's the biggest factor there is in terms of playabilty.

Their is no point denying that quake live could be much more high ping friendly (and not in a xerp 1 warpy cpmaish kinda way).

I don't know where you got that opinion from, QL's netcode is far better then Q3's, simply because you can aim directly at the target with hitscan weapons. Read this discussion if you are interested in details.

CPMA changed the q3 netcode in the later stages, I might agree on that its netcode was not better, but different.

QL doesnt have full unlagged, so no

What no? Having unlagged for projectiles is bad, so QL's netcode is perfect in my opinion, TEH BEST EVAR!!!111

simply because you can aim directly at the target with hitscan weapons

QL has unlagged netcode up to 80ms, so u can only point-and-click if ur ping is 80 or lower, after that u have to start leading ur shots, like on "normal" q3 netcode. CPMA is unlagged up to 50ms, but for some reason (maybe cg_nudge and cg_optimisebw trickery) it feels better on high pings. Warsow uses unlagged up to 150ms and also uses unlagged for projectiles and is BY FAR the best netcode for hpbs.

I can't argue about better or worse latency compensation because I don't know the inner workings of netcodes. I can only argue feel, I could play nicely with 100 ping the last times I joined foreign servers, like in, I was not particularly annoyed like I was with OSP or CPMA with a huge ping difference.

You will never achieve equal conditions for high ping vs low ping if you do not add artificial latency like it is done in QW, so I think the QL version is best for playing over the internet, limited to say your continent.

Maybe wsw has an even better implementation, that does not make ql's netcode bad.

M A P S

pls? :<

Force teams even, we can't rely on people to change. Thats asking way too much out of them.

MegaHealth quakeworld style?
mh respawns 20 secs after it wears out for the guy who took it.

im so annoyed about their being no GTV i might make a Face book group about it.

tl 15, cg_nomip, hub

3 duel maps really needed imho.
same for tdm that is totally dead for lack of new maps .

2 new maps and hub :>
what maps would you replace out of the current 5? dm6, dm13, t9?

easy question
dm6 dm13 ztn out
i d really love a brend new mappool . I really like dm13 tho.

Arguments can be made for the others... but if you seriously want to throw out ztn, you are a moron.

if everyone says this for his favourite map i think that we ll never arrive to a different mappool.
it can be the fucking best map ever but its still 10 y old. Noone will remove the map from quakelive u will be able to play it with mates as much as u want but it really shouldnt be played in tourneys.

new maps... it helps every player no matter the skill level.

tl 15, cg_nomip,new maps and blood!! come on is it just me who misses the blood???im sick of these flashy sparks and everything.

completly agreed

A demo playback feature integrated into the website, a la UT2k4.