very good game...see...

CYPHER, THE CYBER! I'm really impressed with his style....

Again DM6 really came down to both playing almost perfectly and hitting clutch shots, but the spectators (as you can see) really noticed K1llsen over-doing his rockets. People felt that Cypher was shaft whoring, but thats what Quake 3 is for the most part. Had K1llsen equally shafted and/or counter-shafted more successfully, than he may have won DM6 in overtime. DM6 was excellent.

yeah more LG and he could won dm6 for sure.. , you see killsen practised with not so good players, so he dont even thought that someone can have such LG in these situations and more it was lan..

very good game... see...

genius

Veryyyy Good Game both players

great final, great games, props to K1llsen, very much enjoyed his play at EWSC.

Grats to Cypher and all that participated to give us such a good lan.

killsen could have took ztn if hed not have thrown it away at 11 min mark. stacked, RJs from low shards to GL to cut off cypher, but then proceeds to completely miss 3 rockets =)

did they have to play the final on those 24" widescreens?

yeah
every match on them

actually they had other monitors on stage 22" samsung or so

No, the monitors on stage were of much better quality. A LOT less input delay then the crap monitors used in the normal tournament area.

That is why all the stage matches were so much better then the rest of the games.

And on a sidenote: this is probably also why Cypher beat Rapha on stage and lost in the group stage because that first game was played in the tournament area.

or perhaps he knew going in not to under estimate him again?

Nah, the difference was VERY noticable.
But then again, in order to agree on this you would probably had to be there yourself.

not saying there wasn't a difference :)

just saying chances are it's a combination of things rather than just 'monitors' :)

"That is why all the stage matches were so much better then the rest of the games."

The reason why stage matches were better, is : because u wasn't on stage.

: bubble.

Hehe that too.
Surprised to see that you are still alive.

they still played each on the same type of monitor, no? or did rapha play on stage while cypher was in tournament area? :p

Just because 2 players have the same utter shit monitors doesn't mean they can both play lets say 50% of their normal skill because different play styles don't work the same if a part of your game suddenly becomes limited.

A player that has a game that consists 70% of timing/tactics and only 30% of aiming is probably having an easier time with those monitors than a player that has a more aim heavy game style.

So basically aim heavy players are having a hard time, its maybe nicer to watch for people but is it fair? No.

killsen has prove that's a very solid player, nice game.

jesus when was the last time a german dueller placed well at an event. q3, don't mention gitzz.

k1llsen finished second at CPL Italy 2006 (lost to Fox in the final) and also second at Kode5 at Games Convention (that was Quake 4 though)

Stelam 3rd wcg 2001 I guess.

it'll never cease to amaze me how these players can wait each other out so much and be right nearly all the time

the point on dm6 when cypher was creeping towards RL and killsen had it pinned with the RG from the mid. there was nothing stopping cypher creeping back and coming back round on killsen. The second either player slightly looks away or hesitates they just know and take advantage.

that's why I love VQ3 over CPM, the slower pace and dominant weapons and sheer importance of positioning just creates some of the most amazing moments.

+'d for being correct. And I love how rapha caught jibo at the end of the DM6. He made a LOT of fake moves just to push jibo into falling where he wanted near the shards then the last frag was really sweet too.

Also dm9 was really surprisingly fun to spec. A LOT of really tense and smart play on that map. Quakelive needs to fix items for their version asap.

good you mentioned Jibo because he's fucking amazing at it. His avek and czm games spring to mind. He can't hear or see the enemy yet on instinct alone manages to predict every time.

fucking madness.

dude, no, he's just +backing, everyone can do that.

:/

hahahah show us your demos of beating cypher, cooller, av3k, z4, fox

oh wow :D

:]

he was being sarcastic hnns =[

jejeje i noe

Aaron ruined :[

i thought my sincere apology with that cute " :] " explained it all.

No, i meant he ruined the moment. ;p

Oh well. \o

and now i guess we've completely ruined it :/ aaron sucks cock that is the moral of this story

Can't hate the guy, he just lost E$30,000 in the past two weeks... can't help but feel sorry for em... =(

yeah, for example if22, except he didn't even make it out of the group while jibo ended 4th

everyone can just mindlessly rush too, doesnt get you very far either.

so true :/

I love to hate jibo and his boring defensive style. If he only suspects that he's a few hp's lower than his opponent he flees and shoots grenades everywhere. And when he gets a frag with his grenades in defensive mode my blood boils. I still watch his games and i dont know the dude personally but his style is boring to watch. sometimes the score is like 3 - 1. 7 minutes into the game.

(stoned)

I think jibo is really awesome to watch as he isn't mindlessly rushing his opponent all the time.

oh yeah, like MANY top players were mindlessly rushing all the time... ¬¬

of course they do! ZERG RUSH!!!

watching other players stare at a wall for 95% of the game is entertaining

lol

indeed

yet all you fucking idiots who bitch and moan about VQ3 (hello CPM fanboys) are always present on GTV and download every VQ3 demo.

i never watch TDM or CPM demos because I dislike them, so why the fuck do people do it with VQ3? they're either all fucking stupid or full of shit. likely both.

do they chew glass? wouldn't fucking surprise me.

Why do hundreds of people show up to CPM GTVs?

Also, I only showed up to watch Zero4 lose.

because they're just as stupid and it's not for the love of the game or they would be wanking over RA3 fucking demos.

and then you have the decent ones like tom who generally enjoy both.

you you you :) get the point... everyone is not talking from and ego perspective

people who claim for a fact that cpm > vq3 or vq3 > cpm are stupid (i'm not saying you are). everyone has different tastes and we are blessed by the fact that we have two great modes to choose from! can't we all just get along? ;/

I'm not stating one is better than the other, there are things I like in both and things that annoy me no end.

I couldn't care less about what people prefer but I just find it amusing how people can state serious dislike for something yet have no gripes sitting on GTV for 10 hours straight watching as much as they can =[

nascar q3 > cs q3


suck it down biatch!!1

you do realize that nascar is just going round in one circle all the time?
You could probalby train a monkey to do that :D

Or spyteman.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

su baguette

no

welcome to indoctrination school. everyone is equal. your opinion is no better than mine!!

One possible reason is that most CPM Players come from a VQ3 background :)

- because vQ3 and Q3cpm aren't so different
- because cpm doesn't have big money tourneys and hence lacks the same high level of competition, so this is the next best thing for cpm fans

I don't think CPM "fanboys" are like that. Mostly on these forums you hear the more outspoken CPMers talk and it probably is serious fanboyism. But the majority, I would bet, of CPMers enjoys VQ3 as well. VQ3 and CPM both have their moments.

VQ3 -- more finesse
CPM -- more intensity (although Cypher, I think, shows quite a bit of intensity in his style of play which makes him, for me, extremely entertaining to spectate)

It's more of a continuum and you'll only find the radicals who either only enjoy VQ3 or only enjoy CPM.

considering it's on shitty monitors

pure gold.

GG!

And there you go - you can see why people always complain about the strong shaft, k1llsen was down from 100/200 to smth like 60/60 just while switching the weapons :o And we can't say Cypher hit 100% in that shaft battle.

sad but true...

these games were just awesome. killsen was so close on ztn until that one rocketjump that went bad (and after losing in that way, he still says wp to cypher, respect for that, i'd be throwing chairs or something.)

dm6 ended in a very anticlimactic way though (especially since there won't be any third map.) you just can't argue with lg.

ztn...fuuuck.

respect to killer

he looks sometimes a litlle mir nervous or rushy(?) bu

but still very fast pace aggressive style . nice to watch

freaking beautiful play by Cypher. I think i've become a cypher fanboy (sorry cooller ;( )

Watching this epic play is just amazing.

cypher is the new 2003 cooller

I just wish fatal1ty would start playing again. It would be a smart move for him even if he doesn't become #1.

in q3? he'd get his ass handed day and night for at least several months, how's that supposed to help him? :D

It seems that players lose the "thirst" for competition over time. Or that other players just reach their level and improve on that.

fat playing QL is good enough for me.

QuakeLive is pretty new, and he has a chance there, but in nowadays quake3 he wouldnt catch a frag vs anyone from eswc finals, maybe ali nab.

he would own only xgo <3

yeh, like he completely sucked at q4...

no, that is the only time he surprised me with his performance.

yea... winning CPL WT 05 wasn't all that surprising haha. i knew he was going to win :)

fuck painkiller with 2 out of 17 competitors aiming for 1st place.

ok fred...

only watched dm6, and oh my, what a beauty that was. From 11:54 onwards the game becomes simply amazing, with fucking hot shots by both (mostly killsen tho). The one where he was flicked into the air by a rocket from cypher and then still manages to rail him... oh me oh my... And then the airrocket from cypher when killsen goes up RL, that saved his ass for sure. The last frag was clearly a bad weapon decision from the german, who probably would've won that shaft battle if he only would've taken the bloody damn LG.
GG from both, it's not often you see such a game in the finals! I knew killsen had the potential to do very good!

yup, the first player who switches to lg - wins in 90% of cases. 1st rule of cpma.

On another topic, I saw a comment here on ESR describing killsen's shaft as weak. hah lol

was me
and it is

it's a tad weaker then the shaftwhores like cypher, fox, noctis etc, but that doesn't make it 'weak', it's still amazingly good to me.

I have to say, i was not expecting Killsen to perform so good. Say what you want, but he was genuinely kicking ass, and i think he really deserved to take dm6, at least.

At any rate, well done both. This is really a match to remember.

and he was actually the only one who was able to win ztn against cypher_in_form (im not counting the first game, as cypher's aim was totally off). One mistake at the GL platform cost him that map I think

was dm6
wasnt it?

err no, he lost dm6 when he took a railgun in close combat at RA, instead of LG.

cypher got owned harder than he get raped the first time playing q3

watch the 2nd group phase .. cypher rage quits

Belarus srs`Cypher [2:1] Germany k1llsen (Fixture)
ztn3tourney1 - [1:0]
pro-q3dm6 - [2:21]
pro-q3tourney4 - [15:12]

cypher should be scary, k1llsen #2 is here and he is growing! o_O

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