loved the hub game, recommend it

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hub was playerd very aggressive by zik, but thx to this style game become effective and interesing;]]

nice games

I like watching demos by players like cypher,killmaster or zik,all time running ,very agressive style,gg zik :)maybe he is not superstar ,but he play quake ,not camping with reil ,like more players.

zik is old-school cpma player ;)

did he quit cos of 100 -> 80 damage rail?

basically cause there was more cups that days on vq3 and TDM was more fun 4 me :)

isnt tdm in vq3 more 4v4 FFA?

I think CPMA VQ3 TDM4x4 should be amended. Add larger maps, or lower the damage of rail and shaft. Mg should be increased to 7.

lol?

mg should be lowered to 4 per bullet.

you won the biggest idiot award by saying mg damage should be increased

That'll make VQ3 tdm more playable. Players with MG damage of 5 can't do a shit to the heavy device carriers.

The only thing can seem bad, is machingunning alone-standing enemy with 2 or 3 players by machinguns. But at the same time it'll make more of a teamplay, less of a free frags.

if you increase mg dmg to 7 you could just aswell remove all the other weapons from the game, cause they become pretty pointless then.

the concept of tdm is to grab the guns and armors, not to run around killing people with respawn weapon..

If played really well: four people controlling a single map, in the pretty much same way as in 1v1(it's even easier with gun respawn=30sec), in such games you can control the map the whole game theortically, making huge score difference.

With mg=5 you can do nothing against such game. With mg=7 and a team play you can try to gain control back.

making mg 7 would completely take away the already little amount of teamwork involved in cpma vq3 tdm...

Well, I think it's discussible. it depends on what take as an example of perfect play.

If it is just a FFA-based(like most of the team games), then yes mg=5 is ok. but when players will play for each frag, then mg=7 would make sense.

It's maybe hard to grasp what i mean, what i understand under the real team play and so on, and may be i should go and play countrer-strike. and moreover nobody will make mg=7, as they dont fixed xerp. so there is no point of discussing this into the flames. that's just my opnion and i propose nothing but some thoughts.

Yes, it is very hard to grasp what you mean...please explain further than just saying that 7 mg dmg is better than 5...I have trouble understanding how improving the damage of the already overpowered starting weapon would increase team-play and make it less FFA than it already is.

it's not overpowered. in vq3 it's no equal for what it was earlier. in vq3 mg=5 have no chance vs other weapons, because deadly efficiency of the other guns has increased. xerp just makes it totally deadly, especially if you like running straight lines often.

with mg=5 you cant kill enemy really, because to kill you cant run straight lines. if run, you most likely be killed. if you fight you also die. so you can win the fight with dodging and likely stuff. but to dodge, anyway means to lose health due to adjacent hits. so you have small amount of time to kill enemy with mg by dodging. mg=5 cant do this. mg=7 will be art of skill.

that's what should be done to teamplay, to make it suit to the vq3 model of play, imo.

"in vq3 mg=5 have no chance vs other weapons, because deadly efficiency of the other guns has increased"
I completely disagree with this, a well aimed mg at 5 can rape the hell out of someone with a different weapon...watch some of the recent q3 tdm demos being posted, especially dm7....it is ALL MG! very boring imo. Also its kind of funny that you think mg SHOULD give you a chance vs. other weapons. AFAIK the point of a starting weapon is to leave you very disadvantaged vs someone with a different gun, which cpma vq3 obviously DOES NOT, and if it was at 7 there would be absolutely no point in even trying to control weapons, just time ra and cess cess cess (o wait it already is)

also, xerp only makes LG better, and MG as well. I don't quite understand where you are coming from on the dodging = u die faster because of adjacent hits...when i play i generally DON'T die when i dodge well...

you ussualy cannot dodge well, when you have only mg. with mg giving only 50 damage per second if you hit 100% the other guy can just run at you at the straight line not dying, and killing you. that's what happening actually in vq3 tdm.

on dm7 - plasma and rail are best weapons. the mg power you see on dm7 consist of 2 or more mg attackers of same target.


but well, anyway. i like 1v1 more. i dont really ike 4x4 because mg is so weak, to be honest :)

you should try some qw or q2 tdm and then come back and read your posts again.

oh man. in q2 there was a default option to throw away guns for the mates.

q2 tdm was better then it's in q3.

The damage output of my gun has nothing to do with how well I can dodge...I just think its already absurd that if someone with an RL is around lg range they have absolutely no chance against someone with decent mg aim who freshly spawned...Increasing mg damage would just make this worse

The dodging includes also how you fire shots to deceive enemy into firing you back where you won't be standing in the moment actually.

Versus enemy with mg=5 and you haveing an RL, you can just engage him moving closer and closer finally killing.

Well, actually we talking some weird stuff right now.

My only opnion that mg=7 would make games more strategic, when mg will be cared of as a weapon, not as just a disadvantage.

if i got an rl and 100hp, im scared as hell of a newly spawned with mg. With mg dmg at 7 going for a spawnkill would probably be as dangerous as trying to kill a quad guy that got a shotgun.

so you fear enemy with mg=5, and you fear enemy with mg=7. there's no difference then.

remember, you have only 50 bullets. hitting mg with accuracy 30% would make nearly 85-90 damage to enemy.

if he's dodging like just moving left-right-forward you would have hard time making even that amount of damage.

I think you dont know how to use mg, you have no clue how overpowered mg already is with 5 dmg, in the open / near open grounds which most tdm maps do have. I think mg already serves as a punishment weapon for the railer who misses a shot and pays up by conceeding mg damage, but its true good mg ing is a skill in itself.

spot on with this one

so control the map better then the opponent, what's the problem? the better team wins, not the team with the better mg aim..

That is good point. I cant say more, except for I think mg=7 is more balanced in vq3 tdm in my opinion.

I guess you missed all those threads with people complaining about vq3 turning into a cess fest... years ago.

Controlling the weapons should be rewarded and not the other way round.

pro-q3dm6: one cane perfectly control the map 15 minutes, giving an opponent no frags. Even pro's sometimes cant resist that dm6 magic. Remember toxic-vs-fox quakecon game.

in teamplay, in pretty much the same manner it can be controlable with 4 players .

But there are some things to discuss of course...

Blame the map for being unbalanced then.

actually, for 4 players(8 total), it's even esaier to do this on the larger maps. pro-q3dm6 is too small for 4v4 i think.

RETARD ALERT!

xzan taki jestes fajny chlopak. najlepszy we wszystkim. prosze zeby cie nie bylo malo tego wszystkiego.

in the old osp days it wasnt i think, cpma made it more FFAish