How many times do I have to tell you to quit gambling, the financial dependancy, swings and losses and mental angst far outweigh the good times (over a long enough period).
Pick up q4 and play in the CPL, qcon and ESWC to satisy your competitve insticnt and hopefully win a few bucks and steal a few poker pots along the way:)

That's my lesson and it's the best one you'll ever get!

Lif sucks regardless of winning a hand of poker:)

no

idiot

no

"That's my lesson and it's the best one you'll ever get!

Lif sucks regardless of winning a hand of poker:)"

I doubt someone who thinks life sucks can give good lessons regarding anything.

How many times have you seen warnings about speeding?

"the financial dependancy, swings and losses and mental angst far outweigh the good times"

Don't tar us with the same brush as you because you're a shitty gambler and an idiot.

I don't gamble, but i know people who do.
And FO you nerd, I probably earned 3 times as much as your dad does when I was 19. you're an idiot who's probably never done or seen anything with his life and probably never will.
The only character you exude is frustration. you're a dope.

Damn he's earned more than my dad, my position can only be wrong now.

"Lif sucks regardless of winning a hand of poker"

That's because you're you, we're not so winning a hand of poker just adds to our already great lives :D

bb?

no

big bets.... in (fixed limit) 5/10 a big bet is 10, in 500/1000 its 1000.

:D

i don't understand how people can say poker requires much skill, once you get to a point of learning the game, it becomes luck.

the players at the table that is.

no

funny how when you watch those poker games on tv, the people that get elminated always say "i just wasn't getting the cards"

I'm not even gonna bother

Yeah, because playing a WPT final tournament table is exactly like playing a cashgame table!!!

nothing like beating a bunch of suckers.

mind you, 3/6? haha sucker

What are you on about?

nooo, what are you on about?

you aren't comparing cashgamesstakes with stakes on a finaltable in a tourney are you? because that would make you look like an idiot.

use that skill to pick the cards... go on

k

You obviously don't have a clue about poker and you're just making an ass out of yourself.

we have a winning. hes a old man so dont pick on him to much :<

that all you can say? lost your brain cells on the flop

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please expand on this

please die

tried so many times, just never works.

badluck, for you and the rest of us that is

genius, didn't see that one comming. SARCASM

tried so many times, just never works.

yeah that was amazing. everyone loled so hard. funny if ur 37 i guess

yes, less funny for you being 73 i suppose.

rolf. did i guess ur age? lol

rolf. did i guess ur age too? lol

obviously you can't figure out that the cards are random

how u play them isnt random

yeah, fold or bet, ooooooooooh

uv never played at any level have you :X and u cant make up for that fact, by being naturaly smart, so now u sound extremely stupid. gj. 37?

and you make up a comment like that because you can't think of an answer

sit

and you make up a comment like that because you can't think of an answer

huh? yes the cards are random. you are so freaking smart, its scary.

about as smart as you need to be to win internet poker HAHAHA...oh

HAHAHA heard of variance? hAHAhAEhAEhAEhAEhAEh

fold or bet, i just can't decide.

lol

u want me to explain advanced poker tactics to u right now?

what? bluffing or playing by the odds, thanks. oh beating suckers is good idea actually, might just poker bot 24/7.

so ur rich and live of ur poker winnings then?

your more likely to win a real life poker game by studying body language than by studying poker theory.

whats thats got to do with anything.

Oh, have we just watched rounders now have we?
Yeah, it's exactly like that. real poker has nothing to do with theory and it's all body language! just like in the movies!

Brb, I'm off to TeddyKGB's to bust him when he opens his oreo.

no, body language is much more reliable than odds. thats why.

no.

sure thing dumbass

HAHA clueless comment of the day

I was being sarcastic. "3/6"? What about 3/6?
Do you even know anything about online holdem?
4 x 3/6 6max tables at a normal winrate 1bigbets per 100 hands- 1000 hands a day = $240 daily. Play 3.5 hours a day, 5 days a week, that's $4800 a month adding rakeback of ca. $1500 we're up to $6300 a month. More money than most people will ever make on a monthly basis, playing only 3.5 hours 5 days a week.

Who's the sucker?

fooki by the sounds of it. online poker is the most boring thing ever, rather work at mcdonalds. ofc it's easy to make money, you can use poker bots that can make you money, that how easy and boring it is.

Sometimes it's boring sometimes it's fun, but I'd rather be bored 3.5 hours a day and have financial freedom. Most things get boring when you do it for very long.

He hasn't gotten bored of being an idiot yet, so he must be the exception to your rule.

nice math

TY TY

A beginner can get the occasional game of luck. But a pro doesnt need the best cards all the time.

thanks for your money come again

lllllllllol :D

i think its funny people saying "nice hand", "very nice hand". like.. it took so much skill to do it!

Do you also think it's funny when people compliment other people on their looks considering that it took no skill for them to look the way they do?

yep

Most of the time a comment is in disregard to skill or no skill. It's a courtesy comment, such as gg when it wasn't really a good game. If someone makes a great call then you say nice call rather than nice hand. NH is just trying to keep a friendly atmosphere and it helps some people not lose their temper by saying it, like "oh well, nice hand" even if the opponent butchered it.

gotcha.
i wonder if fooki said that after getting owned tho.

i try to never talk to the opponents at the table. i usually dont have the chat on. i bitch on msn and irc instead :)

Personally I don't say NH online, maybe if I'm playing against some 70 year old grandmother (which I have on some occassions). Also if I get "owned" at home I can generally yell out a short tirade of swear words, whereas it would be unacceptable behaviour in a live game :)
If i'm playing in a live game like a casino or cardclub then I try to be nice. Better to be on someones good side, helps you focus when you have someone to talk to. Also if people at the table like you then thats more expected value right there cause it's bound to effect the way they play their hands.

playing the cards properly is skill. not gettin them.

learn all there is to learn (probabilities etc.), and once youve got it commited, dont think about it and just play the game. i dont play online that often though, ive played with play money and made money but im sure its different with real money. i play with friends and at cardrooms sometimes.

NL sux and 200bbs happens.

i just finished winning my way back from a 170 bb downswing at 5/10 so i know it sucks and hurts your confidence.


but i bet you are a very winning player if you have the guidance of the other q3 swedes who are extremely good poker players. just ride out the variance man. :)

I really dont like the swings in shorthanded fixed. I might give nolimit a shot.

I do that too sometimes,, play tournaments, NL, OIC 'games' etc just to not get too burned out. :)

try the stt's at party, very low variance and completely filled with donks up to the $55's

im gonna play alot of tourneys from now on. have u tried the 3table $30 SnG on party? lots of fish playing those

I find they fill up to slow for my taste and there's more to keep track of(as in I dont get a good overview compared to the single tables) which i dont like when i multitable. Also the more players and steeper payout structure(30% get paid in the stts) the more variance you will get. I dont doubt they're very juicy though, even more so than the stt's, i just like the one table structures more :)

what stakes would u compared $50 stt SnGs to in variance?

regarding "stakes" its hard to find a way to compare. the best would probably be to judge by the bankroll required(or perhaps your winrate, dunno really but i prefer bankroll since it shows where I can play without having to worry too much about going broke) to play at a certain limit(which is measured by you winrate and standard deviance). If you'd assume that 500BB for sh limit, 3000bb for NL and 50 buyins for STT's would have about the same risk of ruin then playing 50+5 stt's would be similar in stakes to playing 3/6 SH limit or 0.5/1 NL imo. :-)
Anyway in my opinion the main thing going for sngs is that the variance/downswings/losingstreaks whatever doesnt get to your head as theyre not NEARLY as bad as they are in other forms of poker(with SH limit along with big MTT's being pretty much the most swingy forms you can play). Also if you're a sucker for going on tilt like me the decisions are usually more clear cut and when they arent, its usually close anyway. And its easy to multitable too, when you play your usual sh limit tables you play alot of hands and decisions are hard cause you usually have to play weak stuff like bottom pair with an overcard and a backdoor flush, ace high hands and stuff but post-flop play in sng's are more straightforward since theyre isnt much room to maneuver with your stack usually being low compared to the blinds etc.

Anyway i know how -200bb in 3/6 limit feels and you'll get through it :)

and btw im not saying you should start playing stt's or anything just that theyre a nice change of pace when things arent going your way in the sh limit games which youre obviously quite good at :-)

Apparantly it doesn't even matter as #84 says we're all just going to turn into homeless alcoholics and we already don't have a purpose in life.

the 30+3 3 tables at pp are very good indeed, with a bit of luck for a coinflip here and there its quite possible to clean them out

I just tried 2 of those last night, took home 270$ without even any real effort or cards. Basic tight aggresive play makes u cash in almost every time

#holdempoker on qnet for whinersonly!

I havent got any real experience with poker on the internet (except bunnypoker ;D) but I sometime play offline with my friends on the late friday evenings. Usually winner takes it all with 400-500dkr in the pot and since we're friends the winner always buys the rest some rounds of beer down at the pub :).

Anyway, after seeing offo's vs the rest's discussion about the randomness I can defend "the rest" that its usually the same 2 guys who take turns in winning and I'm one of them ^^. Poker isn't about the cards...

And offo m8: plz stop going into this endless circle of hatred against other esr users. It ain't pretty and you'll end up like bubble

i make points, they come out with these dead end 1 liners like you just did.

many congrats.

Whats there to discuss? Its a psycological game about bluffing and the more money that is in it the more exiting is it. And you can't argue against that its the same guys sitting at the tables at the world championships.

No seriously dude.. you're on a dead end highway and I doubt your brakes work.

about bluffing? there's no way to know if someone is bluffing or not bluffing (if they bluff properly). bluff and win, luck. beat a bluff, luck. dealt the better cards, SKILL...i mean luck. nearly tricked me there.

as in any sport.
life is luck if you see it that way.

sure, life is luck. sport partially. the only way you can tell the sort of hand a player has is by the way they bet, which is so imprecise and easy to fool.

if so - nothing is skillful, so why argue this?

why argue? haha right, so you can't tell what cards people have, only way you can possibly tell is by the way they're betting which is easy to fool. so the only thing you can trust is the odds which is about the cards your dealt. hahaha

i think my message didn't get through, i ment:
if this isn't skillful, along with every other sport, why is poker worse than any other game/sport?
snowboarding for example.

because most sports require you to learn a lot lot lot more. poker you learn that good hands win and thats it.

i partly agree with you, poker isn't a game that i would dedicate my life to because it's too random, as you say.
i tend to win easier with a good hand but i oftenly make less money than those who have more experience.
do you know why?

you are stupid..there are lots of math and statistic involved in the game, as well as the psycological aspect. You dont know what cards the other players have, but good players can guess it fairly accurate by the way they play and the bets they make, their chipcount and the position they are in. Your position at the tables means lots, if you are next to small, big blind or under the gun you have a nice disadvantage as you have to act before everyone else and dont know how many bets you are possibly going to face. Sitting on the button is the exact opposite, because you are the last guy to act. The size of your chips can also decide the game, because then you can bully the other players with high bets. Knowing when to fold and being able to calculate the odds, for you to get the card you need and learn how to calculate the potodds also means a lot in the long run. It's small things combined and the way you use them, that makes you a good player.

then please tell me what other odds are there, i'm dying to hear them.

there is this thing called google..

In Texas hold'em, we can make assumptions that allow us to calculate our odds of drawing a card to make a winning hand. Let's assume you hold Jh-Th in a 6-way pot. Many players love J-T suited because of the large number of straights and flushes it can make.

You see the flop of: Ac Kh 3h

To figure out the odds of making your hand on the next card (the turn) you first need to count your outs -- the number of cards that will help you. How many outs do you have? Assume that with 6 total players in the pot, at least one player has an ace or a king, so you're not drawing to a jack or a ten, which would give you a smaller pair. Also assume that if you hit your flush, you will have a winning hand -- no one else will have a higher flush. Although these assumptions will not always be correct, you must make some guesses in order to calculate you odds.

So, there are 9 hearts which will make the flush and 4 queens will make the straight. One of the queens is also a heart, so we need to be careful not to double count it: 9 hearts + 3 non-heart queens = 12 outs.

Now, you know your 2 cards, and the 3 cards on the board, so there are 47 unknown cards. Of those 47 cards, there are 12 "good" cards, and 35 "bad" cards, which makes a ratio of bad to good cards of 35 to 12, or just about 3 to 1. So, you want a risk-reward ratio to be at least 3 to 1 in order to call a flop bet.

This risk-reward ratio (which is really a reward-risk ratio -- the amount of reward you will get compared to the risk you are taking) is your POT ODDS. It is the ratio of the amount of money in the pot to the amount you must call in order to be eligible to win the pot. In this example there is $30 in the pot. So, if the first player bets $5, and the next player raises to $10, we will still have a positive expected value if we call for $10, even if no other players call the raise. Why? By the time the pot gets to us, it contains $30 + $5 + $10 = $45. It costs us $10 to call, so the pot is laying us odds of $45 to $10, or 4 to 1. We know that we are only a 3-1 underdog, so we are being more than fairly compensated for the risk of seeing the turn card.

Continuing with this example, let's assume it's not our lucky day, and the turn card is the 2d. Now, we still have 12 outs, and there are now 34 unknown cards, so we are again about a 3-1 (it's actually 34 to 12, or 2.83 to 1) underdog to make our hand on the river. Since there is now $55 in the pot after we call the turn bet, it is again correct for us to call if our opponent bets $10 now, since our pot odds are 5 to 1.

Although we might not make our straight or flush here, if we consistently put ourselves in situations where we are making bets with the proper pot odds, we will show a long run positive expectation. We will be compensated enough on the occasions where we do make our hand that we can afford the losses on the times where we do not.

owned! hes sitting now.

yes, i mentioned that already, it's called odds and it's about which cards you get.

never saw you mention it..all you said was that it was all about the cards you got..

your talking about odds which are determined by the cards dealt.

you cant break it down that easily, because calculating the odds if you assume that player has those card and the other those takes lots of brainpower and thinking, and it is a skill to be able to read the odds..

ppl are clueless offo, 'odds' and whatnot is nonsense. It's 50/50, either you win or you dont.

its funny, the game itself is pure luck so they are forced to come up with statistics and psychologic and god knows what else to make the game seem like the deepest game ever.
imagine if we over analyzed a game like chess the way people analyze poker..

you can't possibly overanalyze chess :)

why not?

lol dude i take it ur not into the chess scene

its not about bluffing you twat. stop commenting on something you have no clue whatsoever about.

if it's not about bluffing then it's about the cards your dealt.

it's about how you play the cards you are dealt.

haha right, no way of knowing what cards they have, the only way you can play is via the odds which is about the cards your dealt. it's not about bluffing, it's about the cards and their odds, and the cards your dealt are random. mmmmmmmmmmm

Ehr, its perfectly possible to 'know' what cards they have.

Observe a players style and after a while his way of betting in a hand will effectively tell you what he has in 90 % of all cases

But anything over play money poker is obviously beyond your understanding

if he/she is a idiot, yes.

what? come back when you've read some basic holdem strategy.

haha loving these replys, can't counter the argument. go on then, give me a holdem strategy beating.

WHAT ARGUMENT? please tell me how I can have a rational discussion with you when you don't know anything about what we're discussing?

here's the best I can do, if you don't understand this I'm done.

during the course of one hand holdem is VERY based on luck, i.e what cards fall on the board etc.

however during the course of hundreds of thousands of hands the pocket hands you and your opponents are dealt are about equal in terms of strength. and during the course of these hundreds of thousands of hands, if you play them more correct than your opponent (i.e raising on the streets you're ahead and calling/folding when you're drawing or behind) you will end up beating him/her.

even though you cannot see your opponents hands you should be able to understand from looseness, aggression, playing style, reads etc a range of hands he could have and play accordingly.

that's hold'em 101 for you.



deleted my other posts because I don't want to waste my time on you. I'm done replying to you unless you come up with some valid arguments. thanks. have a nice life.

yes, because the players bet so predictably. DONT YOU UNDERSTAND I GIVE UP haha. pokerbots can bluff perfectly if programmed to, it's just they're so predictable when it comes to playing with a good hand. it's that simple. so if a player isn't predictable, oh thats right...it's about the cards.

jamerio and offo have successfully shown themselves to be two of the most ignorant idiots to pass through this site in a while. Congratulations boys, I'm glad to see life without a cerebellum is still worthwhile.

Look for the new poker books out this winter:

"You can't win, just get a 9-5 in a box factory like me and spend your summers in Benidorm, innit." By Jamerio

and the highly anticipated

"Bet or fold, it's all luck anyway: the startling new strategy guide that's taken the poker world by storm" by offo

That would sound so much better if it was not you, BTW, I get about 5 pm's a week from total strangers saying how much they enjoy my comments and ironic that I appear to be the most popular user.

And what exactly is idiotic about advising people not to gamble?
and WTF are you on about....

"You can't win, just get a 9-5 in a box factory like me and spend your summers in Benidorm, innit." By Jamerio

I never said anything of the sort, you're just a frustrated scrub and all mouth.
You are probably one of the biggest shit stirrers on ESR.
9-5 box job? I got to the USA about 4-5 times a year and work about half the year, so spare me the 9-5 shit, probably more reflective of your shitty job if you even have one. I probably saw more of the world by the time I was 21 than you ever will.
Go jump off a bridge, preferably with the rest of your reject relatives, cuz they obviously did a shitty job bringing you up.
Idiots like yourself are all mouth.
Actualyl welcome to my ignore list, feel free to reply and tell the world how much you hate and how dumb I am. you're opinion is irrelevant to this board or the planet. And don't take my word for it, the fact that you are on probation suggests you're the idiot.

It took all of 10 seconds to print screen the screen shot and I only posted it to counter someones snide remark about how unpopular I am.

And do you really think I care about grown men pm'ing other men and saying so and so is an idiot. Do you have any idea how sad that sounds.
Firstly, they could actually just say it to my face.
I don't really spend my life on IRC and chatting about so and so, I find it pretty unrewarding.

As for the non-retarded Mortithacus comment, does it bother you and other players that I believe I'll be playing q4 at a professional level?
Do you think I'm all talk?
I was sponsored as a14 yr old to play for 3 london aracades for Street Fighter/Killer Instinct and Virtua Fighter.
I was then employed by the developers of the game work on the sequel from there, I went on to become a Designer and spent 5 years working exclusively on FPS games which sold about 15 million copies.
Since then I have taken a big interest in pro-gaming and have been waiting for a new game to play, becasue I have always competed at a competitive level and I have always played games at a high level
Believe me, if I play Q4 it will be at the top tier and I will be reminding you of this conversation.
I look forward to proving you wrong and seeing as I have done quite a lot, you'll forgive me if I don't really care what a bunch of teenagers say on IRC. I probably think the very same thing about them.

It took all of 10 seconds to print screen the screen shot and I only posted it to counter someones snide remark about how unpopular I am.

And do you really think I care about grown men pm'ing other men and saying so and so is an idiot. Do you have any idea how sad that sounds.
Firstly, they could actually just say it to my face.
I don't really spend my life on IRC and chatting about so and so, I find it pretty unrewarding.

As for the non-retarded Mortithacus comment, does it bother you and other players that I believe I'll be playing q4 at a professional level?
Do you think I'm all talk?
I was sponsored as a14 yr old to play for 3 london aracades for Street Fighter/Killer Instinct and Virtua Fighter.
I was then employed by the developers of the game work on the sequel from there, I went on to become a Designer and spent 5 years working exclusively on FPS games which sold about 15 million copies.
Since then I have taken a big interest in pro-gaming and have been waiting for a new game to play, becasue I have always competed at a competitive level and I have always played games at a high level
Believe me, if I play Q4 it will be at the top tier and I will be reminding you of this conversation.
I look forward to proving you wrong and seeing as I have done quite a lot, you'll forgive me if I don't really care what a bunch of teenagers say on IRC. I probably think the very same thing about them.

Shame you didn't see more of an English language textbook, those apostrophes aren't hundreds and thousands sprinkles for the icecream of your comments buddy :)

"That would sound so much better if it was not you, BTW, I get about 5 pm's a week from total strangers saying how much they enjoy my comments and ironic that I appear to be the most popular user."

Maybe it's because your postrate is the highest on the site. Also, do you want to know something funny? Once I was the most popular and notorious user simultaneously when there was a [+] and [-] system. Imagine how many invisible [-]'s you are getting, actually you'll probably think that everyone loves you.

Funny thing is that I get lots of pm's everyweek saying how much of a deluded moron you are (no I'm not making it up).

You know a thing or two but some of your rambles are ridicolous and simply tiring. The fact that you take screenshots to show a popularity gain is a bit sad really. I don't hate you or anything but, you're a non-retarded Morithacus, and Morithacus I love to hate and so does everyone else who talks to him.

"And what exactly is idiotic about advising people not to gamble?"
I would advise people not to gamble on house games where long term odds are always against them. Actually I wouldnt directly advise someone unless they specifically asked me. However, when it comes to poker which is a game which your long term outcome (100 000+ hands) is dictated by skill/knowledge I'm sure as hell not going to advise against it IF I OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT IT. However, now I do, after thousands of hours, hands and dollars. You do not know much about professional poker, if you did then you wouldn't talk like this. Simple. I don't even want to argue about it with someone who doesn't know the first thing about it though. It's like talking to a brick wall and it's just not worth it. The game is already enjoyed by casual players all around the world, and hundred thousand's of players who add to their income or keep it as their main income living healthy lives. Beats "Pro-gaming" as you strive for.

What do you think about me telling you to QUIT GAMING cause the financial dependancy, swings and losses and mental angst far outweigh the good times (over a long enough period)?
Not that I would say something like that because I actually know enough about gaming to make a statement like it.

As for the original statement, it just comes across as ridicolous to me and I don't ever regret choosing poker. I take that as a personal insult.

It took all of 10 seconds to print screen the screen shot and I only posted it to counter someones snide remark about how unpopular I am.

And do you really think I care about grown men pm'ing other men and saying so and so is an idiot. Do you have any idea how sad that sounds.
Firstly, they could actually just say it to my face.
I don't really spend my life on IRC and chatting about so and so, I find it pretty unrewarding.

As for the non-retarded Mortithacus comment, does it bother you and other players that I believe I'll be playing q4 at a professional level?
Do you think I'm all talk?
I was sponsored as a14 yr old to play for 3 london aracades for Street Fighter/Killer Instinct and Virtua Fighter.
I was then employed by the developers of the game work on the sequel from there, I went on to become a Designer and spent 5 years working exclusively on FPS games which sold about 15 million copies.
Since then I have taken a big interest in pro-gaming and have been waiting for a new game to play, becasue I have always competed at a competitive level and I have always played games at a high level and I'm confident I'm ready to play with a new game, even though I get raped in q3.
Believe me, if I play Q4 it will be at the top tier and I will be reminding you of this conversation.
I look forward to proving you wrong and seeing as I have done quite a lot, you'll forgive me if I don't really care what a bunch of teenagers say on IRC. I probably think the very same thing about them.
Most gamers from my experience are incredibly childish, fickle and two faced who's temprament laregly depends on whether or not they just won a duel. It's not important what negative critique I get and I look forward to proving the doubters wrong.
I have new ideas for approaching gaming which I believe will catch on in a few years.

"I was sponsored as a14 yr old to play for 3 london aracades for Street Fighter/Killer Instinct and Virtua Fighter."

Hey, maybe iD will pay you all the panda pops you can drink and a wham bar to play q4!

I don't mind people having dreams, I just think that constantly subjecting IT to other people is over the top ridicolous.
5 years of designing video games huh, have you seen Carmack play? He's horrible, but he's a fucking ace designer.

"Believe me, if I play Q4 it will be at the top tier and I will be reminding you of this conversation." Yeah, please do. If you don't become toptier then just don't fuck off into hiding as well. If you do make it then I will also be there, and I can't wait to see how your pathetic personality is reflected in your physical appearance. I will be there, either playing q4 or doing coverage if it turns out that mixing Q4 and poker is too time demanding. I don't enjoy sitting infront of the PC and I have to get out and fitness is a big thing to me. I understand how this personality surfaced from hanging out in arcades and infront of your PC all of your life. If it didn't then I have absolutely no idea what else you might have in life or what you've done to turn out this way, but it seems like very little as you haven't once mentioned interests in anything else than becoming "TOPTIER" in Q4. That or an extreme consolegame expertise. Hell, if someone mentions anything about any console/arcade game you're there with a 2 page-long reply.

You were a sponsored teenager kid who was good at Arcade games, and that will make you toptier in q4. Fantastic.

One thing you avoided completely in your reply was what this whole thing stemmed from though, your comments about poker. Why; did you realize that you were actually wrong and want to forget about it?
Maybe if you admit that you were wrong about it then I will admit that, when the day comes that you're toptier Q4, I will admit that I was wrong too. Of course, if you don't make it then I'll be right there laughing in your face ;)

Alos what are you talking about gaming?
You think I'm pinning my hopes on some stupid pipe dream of becoming a pro gamer and earning millions?
You gotta be kidding, I'm doing it for the thrill and fun of itI work with computers, that is my job. I Would NEVER EVER give that up to play gaming full-time.

Playing poker is stupid to most normal people. So that's gonna be your professional life?
Sitting playing a poker on the internet stealing pots of mugs for the next few decades. Pathetic.
Firstly, most people need a job and a purpose in life, without a job, you don't get that and poker does not offer people that.
If you get married or meet someone, who's gonna be live with someone who gambles and the insecurity it brings?
You don't know how things will turn out, you might get into bigger games, you might catch a run of shitty cards in a big game and lose.

you make out like you have a guaranteed income for life and it's just stupid, except you can't see it, becasue like all poker players they think they are above the game.
If if you win and manage to become financially successful from it, you'll probably find it very hard to do somethign else if you ever get bored and want to work a regular job.
The effects of gambling are well documented, stuff like the probability of becoming a heavy drinker go way up, you keep crappy hours, all stuff that's not good.
Whatever, if that offends you then sorry, but they say the truth hurts and this might be not directly apply to you, but it does in general.
The gambling industry survives purely on your belief and I can assure you more people get caught by the net than slip through it.

"Playing poker is stupid to most normal people. So that's gonna be your professional life?
Sitting playing a poker on the internet stealing pots of mugs for the next few decades. Pathetic."

Sitting infront of the pc playing/designing computer games for the rest of your life so fucking noble though isn't it?

I play all of my tournaments LIVE in the casinoclubs.

"you make out like you have a guaranteed income for life and it's just stupid, except you can't see it, becasue like all poker players they think they are above the game."

Just shut the fuck up about it. You don't know anything about poker and you've never played it. YOU HAVE SOME FRIENDS WHO GAMBLE, geez, that gives you so much credibility you fucking reject. YOUR FRIENDS LOST AGAINST THE DEALERS 21 OH NOEZ!! You're saying that I have probability to become a heavy drinker? Rofl. I exercise 5 days a week and I'm healthier than you will ever be. I've had like a total of 10 pints the WHOLE YEAR, I don't smoke cigarettes. I lead an active lifestyle and I'm happy. You don't know what I do or what I invest in with the money either TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE A HEALTHY INCOME FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. So fuck off, I'm sick as hell of you and your litte tidbits.

"You don't know how things will turn out, you might get into bigger games, you might catch a run of shitty cards in a big game and lose."

ROFL, I HAVE NEVER EVER GAMBLED WITH MY BANKROLL IN "BIG GAMES" AND I NEVER WILL. Get the fuck off it , you dont know what you're talking about and you sicken me. Your whole personality is defect.
PLEASE, elaborate why the hell being sponsored as a 14 year old by an arcadehall and designing fps games gives you such a high and mighty purpose which a fulfilling pokerlife isnt at all comparable to? No wait, I wouldn't want to wade through the nonsense you might produce.
Don't even try to fucking judge me or what I do when you don't know the first thing about my lifestyle, profession or me.

ignoring your ridicolous shit until I meet you face to face at the next big q4 competition. You can walk up to me then and tell me all this crap and maybe I'll give you some health and exercise tips.

My job is noble thank you, or certainly more noble than sitting on my ass playing poker all day.
I get to work on games and get to work with people who are shaping the future of entertainment and I one day hope to be in a position to develop a pro gamer type game.
People on these forums talk a lot of there not being a pro game, but how will one get made if no one making them shares that vision?

Your so wrapped up in your little world, should you take a step outside for two seconds you'll realise how pathetic you sound.
Why would I want to meet you at a CPL event?
What could I possibly learn from you or experience from you?

You strike me as boring, average, and you want to play poker for the rest of your life. I'm bowled over by your ambition.
My work gives people a lot of enjoyment, what is your work, conning money out of others by bluffing and being devious as possible. Wow great traits to have. The only thing you'll ever achieve in poker is by making people feel bad for taking their money.
People who might be getting debt in to play, or spending tehir tuition money from college grants as waht often happens among students.
But nah man, that's noble stuff you're doing and a worthy contribution.

Exercise tips? Argh, now you're starting to get owned and angry and now want to resort to personal insults I'm 5'11 and weight just over 13 stone and cycle about 15 miles a day.
Considering the fact that you have never seen me and I have lost the two stone that made overweight over two years ago then I'm really interested to see how you come by this, but then on the internet anything's possible right, make up your own beleifs. Like the nerds who diss Toxic for being fat even though he's actually just really well built like myself.
Oh and should you diss me in real life you would probably would not like the consequences, so if you can't play nice then best to stay out of my way IRL.

I'll judge you how I see fit as you have me. If you don't like it then tough.
I think I have hit the nail on the head with you tbh I think the reason you're getting so agro is simply because you probably fear I'm right.
You don't know how things will turn out in the future and that fact that you're so adamant that things will stay the same proves you really are as clueless and lost as you appear.
I would also like to point out that I did not say you would be an alcholic nor were you any of the negative things that I associated with playing poker as a job.
However, it's interesting you flew off the handle and automatcailly accused me of calling you those things.
I seriously doubt you're playing poker out of choice, rather it's just something you feel into.
Oh and if you think it's just me, try going on on a date and when they ask what do you do, tell them I play poker for a living. And watch their reaction.
You can also try that one when getting a mortgage, but then you're probably making so much money you cna just by a house outright.

Your just a 20 yr old, less than 4 years ago you were buying sweets on the way to school, and now you're preaching about how you won't do this and you won't do that.
You don't know how things will turn out and if you think you're gonna be making a steady 3500$ a year for the rest of your life doing 3.5 hrs play a day you're gonna come down hard when you realise the day that I was right. And I am.

I think you should put those endorphins you earn from 15 miles a day to better use.

" My job is noble thank you"

"I get to work on games and get to work with people who are shaping the future of entertainment"

Well how noble. Move over Mother Teresa you're nothing compared to this guy. Forget cancer research let's get those games developer positions filled.

"Oh and should you diss me in real life you would probably would not like the consequences, so if you can't play nice then best to stay out of my way IRL."

I pity you

I thought the same when I saw some of your matches at the CPl so at least we share that :)

My judging is more accurate :D

He is a mma fighter too :x (ty SF4)

"Conning money out of others by bluffing and being devious as possible"

As though the other players have been deceived into playing poker somehow?

P.S. Head out of arse

the only reason there are professional poker players is because they take advantage of people.

Epic win by the nutcracker I see.

can i be your bitch?

That would sound so much better if it was not you, BTW, I get about 5 pm's a week from total strangers saying how much they enjoy my comments and ironic that I appear to be the most popular user.



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<endi> Jam, can I be your e-friend?
<Jamerio> No
<endi> Please.
<Jamerio> It would not work.
<endi> Cuz I'm from Finland?
<Jamerio> Well not just that but you play promode and have a moustache.
<endi> I know I should stuck with OSP and had a shave.
<Jamerio> Well you know what do to in future.....
<Jamerio> Oh and endi?
<endi> Yes!!!
<Jamerio> LMAO@Finland

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whats ur job jamerio? just out of interest...

http://www.mobygames.com/search/quick?q=Jamie+WIlliams

So you've not worked for 5 years ?=]

funny that everbody is talking about that poker is all about how you play the carts and missing a HUGH ASPECT its called playing the players

There is a reason poker is popular; I don't play it because I know why :)

Becasue it can become an addiction. I'm pretty sure every alcholic, druggy, or gambler did not intend on becoming hooked, my whole point being you don't know what will happen in the future and the fact that poker players are subjecting thmeselves heavily to that whole under world then that's why I said it is ultimately a bet. but plaeyrs like Melachi can't bear to hear that becasue it probably tarnishes the little fantasy they have created about playing 3.5 hours of poker a day for the rest of their life and retiring to vegas at 40 with a few million in the bank. It's just stupid.

Gamers are largely made up of teenagers or young guys, that's when most people should be at uni or sorting out a job, not thinking they can get through life playing cards. For every successful card player I could show you a 100 failed ones who have probably lost their house/wife/kids etc.
Poker players talk about beating the odds, yet they place themselves in a very precarious position fileld with people who generally want to bluff and take each others money. That's why the smartest bet is (for most) to NOT PLAY as a profession.

thats true, most players(like the ones in this thread) are too illusional. Those who succeed have one thing in common and thats that they're brutally honest to themselves and i would say the overwhelming majority are way too optimistic. Playing as your sole source of income if you have kids, house etc. is stupid, period.

sum it up for me, which people here have claimed they want to make a living by playing poker?

Watch less television

OK i didnt read any of the bs that has been posted this far, so I'll just give my humble opinion about the topic.

You lost 200 big bets in 3/6 5/10 shorthanded ?

shorthanded is pld a lot different than full ring games, but you surely know that already, you need to read some good literature on how to win at shorthanded, you cant just wait for your quality cards like in full ring games.

From what I've read here and there in forums you need to play more small pocket pairs (even raise them). Suited connectors and the likes go down in value, since its often heads up post-flop.

No limit ? no idea how to play that realy, i would imagine that pocket pairs are much more valuable and aggression is a much bigger factor than in fl. Again read a decent book.

im kinda suprised that you post a topic like that i thought you were a good poker player already :D or is it just to get jamerio post site long comments ?

"im kinda suprised that you post a topic like that i thought you were a good poker player already :D or is it just to get jamerio post site long comments ?"

huh? I dont understand this. Because I lost 200 big bets I'm a bad player? I know how shorthanded fl works. I'm a winning fl player, not a nl player.

when someone says he is down XXX big bets or bb he is talking about fixed limit, usually ppl talk about buyins in nl

"huh? I dont understand this. Because I lost 200 big bets I'm a bad player? I know how shorthanded fl works. I'm a winning fl player, not a nl player."

no I'm not saying that you are a bad player because you lost 200 big bets. I meant that if you are a good experienced player you should know that those swings can happen, they are rare but they can happen.

I think i missread your post, i thought you wanted advice on how to play shorthanded also.

trust me, i know about the swings. Its just tough at the moment.

A few weeks ago i had a great month, then got into a downswing (~$1500 playing 5/10, no biggie) + I was really tired of the game(playing 2k hands a day) so I stopped. Last week I started playing again and got fucked over by this horrible downswing. I just had to vent.

I think I missread you post too.

yeh sometimes its realy tough :<

Speak proper english please so us non-poker-addicts can understand what the heck your talking about

tell me what you don't understand and i'll explain.

"I know how shorthanded fl works. I'm a winning fl player, not a nl player."

translate please! ;)

"i know how fixed limit 6handed(6 or less people) works. I am a winning fixed limit player, not a nolimit player."

nolimit = you can bet how much you want and go allin etc.
fixed limit = if you are playing 5/10 you can only bet 5 before the flop and on the flop, and 10 on the turn and river.

quit the fucking game =>

This is some funny shit. Keep it up guys.

cool

hey look gambling addicts HAHAHAHAHA

Fold pre-flop.

pay me my fucking 2 euros already

bump

her

Gah, old thread :|

Stop bluffing in limit. If you don't like following fundamentals, play HU no limit.

oh was that the year when everyone thought they could get rich by playing cards?

actually pre-08 was really good time to learn poker

well it got mainstream in czech just recently, everyone started playing on facebook and now we got ~30 ppl tourneys with cashgame followup 3 times a week ;P

yeah..but i see it on 2+2 too, people are saying the games are getting tougher (nlhe especially obv.), lot of training/strat sites are popping out now etc.

hahahahahahaha

online is boring...live is where it is at

standard imo.

oh and

[ ] large sample size.

BLING BLANG BLAOW!
PADA IN THA HOUSE
I WON 1600$ FROM YOU YEARS AGO
U COULD HAVE USED IT TO BUY SOME FOOD
BUT YOU DIDN'T
COZ I CASHED IT OUT
AND RUBBED IT ON MY TITTIES

this is something related to boobs, or I don't get it

funny thread :-)

well, 200 isnt even a tilt =))

anyway, u need to relax a little. when people starting losing - they doing lot of stupid mistakes and losing even more. Im pretty sure thats ur case, cuz its 200BB (not a record though).

esr should make a freeroll tournament for its users ,with prizes

I was reading jamerio comment #1 "Pick up q4 and play in the CPL, qcon and ESWC to satisy your competitve insticnt and hopefully win a few bucksand" and was thinking, wtf, jamerio trolling? then the date says it all

LOL_LIMIT
Learn PLO fool.

Jamerio certainly did become a top tier Q4 player

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=920874

Yes i did, I hardly played the game and I was already able to take dutch national quakers into overtime despite having a fraction of the expereince in these games.

I would say across the board I am still the most talented gamer.

If you know a quaker who can hang with me across trackmania/id shooters/street fighter (all tournament games) then I would gladly prove just how reliant some of you are on a very specific set of play mechanics/circumstances. Any fool can play a single game year in year out and do well. You want a medal?

You and Fatality earned over half a million from playing games right? you think you're hot shit?

Yet i could call you both out on my game of choice and you would lose just as badly to me as i would lose to you.

And you know whats even funnier?

Even if you split your skillset, you would still display a lower level of skill across the above games I mentioned.
You're both one trick ponies in tournament games, its all FPS. And WOW does not count because life was never that cruel, so i never played it.

and yes, if you want to call me out on that challenge, I will gladly accept and wipe the floor across the board with both of :)

And I didn't even own a pc until mid 2004.
and I have a fairly intensive career, unlike yourselves who are supposed to be gaming monsters :)

Your average skill across the board is lower.
You only peak on shooters because you majored it.
That's why neither one of you have really done anything outside of your safety net of your genres. You're good at what you do, but its a niche's skill really.

And i would peak just as high on my genres anyway, so what's the difference?

Nothing, its just this forum is geared towards the currency that benefits you :).

Just replying so you can't delete this gem.

Why would I?

Quake 3
Quake 4
Quakelive
Doom 3 (1 random map from each game)

Trackmania (ESWc game)

street fighter 4 (tournament game that i have 3 weeks expereince in)

And see what happens when you have to display a real demonstration of skill across the board. Apart from the single one you've been hiding behind for so long :)

Why do you think neither of them have done anything outside of the world of FPS. I know how strong i am across the board.
I'll leave out the fact that i also have a fairly intensive job going on too. that i also display admirable talent in.

Its all there in black and white baby. Go make it happen and watch what happens.

Your mouth - shut it.

I'll see ur challenge and raise u bo3 in scrabble, duck hunt and MTV Celebrity Deathmatch.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=users&user_id=15363 is better than you at all of those games. I don't know if he's played SF4, but I'm sure he's better than you at it regardless. What a marvelous gamer he is!

hint: Anyone not fucking retarded could be good at any game they put the hours into. You are not a "prodigy". It's arguable whether you could even be considered good at quake, so stop the multitalented nonsense please. :o

ps



xblades

what is your job and what is the business u say u set up?

You think you can hang with Voo in any quake game? Maybe you would want to think that over. But I guess if you really want to prove your point you would have to find games neiter of you played much.

Vo0 vs Jamerio.

Please guys let this happen.

Accept the challenge Vo0!

if Vo0 ever accepted the conditions would be changed so much jamerio would end up challenging him in tic tac toe and a chicken whisky drinking contest.

Why do you think neither of them have done anything outside of the world of FPS.

Because, uh, who cares and why would they? Name one single tournament you've won or at least a notable perfomance in:

Quake 3
Quake 4
Quakelive
Doom 3
Trackmania
Streetfighter

Linking to an ancient Q4 game you lost 25-4 against a redemz doesn't count. Loser.

i'm honestly starting to feel sorry for jamerio. sort of feeling baahd about laughing at him.

"http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=920874

Yes i did, I hardly played the game and I was already able to take dutch national quakers into overtime despite having a fraction of the expereince in these games.

I would say across the board I am still the most talented gamer.

If you know a quaker who can hang with me across trackmania/id shooters/street fighter (all tournament games) then I would gladly prove just how reliant some of you are on a very specific set of play mechanics/circumstances. Any fool can play a single game year in year out and do well. You want a medal?

You and Fatality earned over half a million from playing games right? you think you're hot shit?

Yet i could call you both out on my game of choice and you would lose just as badly to me as i would lose to you.

And you know whats even funnier?

Even if you split your skillset, you would still display a lower level of skill across the above games I mentioned.
You're both one trick ponies in tournament games, its all FPS. And WOW does not count because life was never that cruel, so i never played it.

and yes, if you want to call me out on that challenge, I will gladly accept and wipe the floor across the board with both of :)

And I didn't even own a pc until mid 2004.
and I have a fairly intensive career, unlike yourselves who are supposed to be gaming monsters :)

Your average skill across the board is lower.
You only peak on shooters because you majored it.
That's why neither one of you have really done anything outside of your safety net of your genres. You're good at what you do, but its a niche's skill really.

And i would peak just as high on my genres anyway, so what's the difference?

Nothing, its just this forum is geared towards the currency that benefits you :)."

Pure comedic gold imo

pretty sad if he actually believes any of that nonsense. understandable if he's 15 and welshgay though i guess.

LOL

Fooki,

pokerstrategy.com
follow those steps, and you actually get free money deposited to one of these softwares(if you haven't got an account already) but anyways, take the quizzes, and it will help :)

lol fish

I'll teach u PLO 6max/HU for cheap since I'm a fan :\

donk

no u

-200bb in fl is pretty standard :p

actually it was more like 300bb and it was 4-5 years ago, when it wasn't pretty standard.

so you are special?

u still play poker?

.

booooooo, less poker more ql!