oh dear please god... lets not go here again :|

YEAH bring it on!

no, fuck them.

ok changed from forum to news ... flame on ;)

why, they dont pay anyway, and i guess we could organize a better tourney by ourself.

any tournament is better then no tournament. i say a q4 tournament aswell as it currently has the highest skilled players

I'd rather take a risk with UT3 than play a dead game.

What are you speaking about ? q3 or q4 or both ? :o)

I've played two UT3 engine games now - it looks amazing but online....no thanks.

what games? ive only played bioshock and it does look great but it has no online play so i cant comment on that

MoH:A
I don't know if it's the developer's fault or the engine's but the clipping is horrible, invisible walls and stuff like that. The hitboxes are really bad too and I don't find the overall registration good. :/

gow also

As glad as I would be, I wouldn't believe anything they say regarding a Q3/Q4 tourney until I actually see the demos.

loool

appears they haven't paid out from last time ? (atleast thats what I read on the topic on the CPL forum)

Q @ CPL == is nice...

Or something... Would be nice to have some GTV/Q¤TV action again and some nice casting to sync up... Also add some beer and sausages!

Mangefox:

I would NOT come since you wouldn't pay out the prize money anyway. If you payed what you owed I might consider it.

haha ... sad to hear that they don't pay up.

i still can't see why people don't take these kind of issues to court, surely they got a case conserning fraud or smt?

Unless you're Fat / Voo / Stermy you haven't made enough money in winnings to come out with some $ on the other side. After lawyers and taxes take their cut, you'd basically be left with nothing.

if everyone who misses money does it together im sure it'd be okay?

Shouldn't these cases be pretty simple anyway?

P: "I played in the tournament, you offered money, I won the money, you haven't payed it.
D: "Er, er"

If they had some way out of paying, I doubt they would have payed any at all yet.

yeh thats what im saying, i don't see the issue? they were promissed money if they won, they won, why shouldn't they get their money?

they havent payed anyone from the cpl italy till now.

Please use Quake 4 :D

vq3 2v2

q3 q3 q3 q3 q3 q3 q3 q3 q 3 q3 3 q q 3q 3q 3q 3q3 q3 q3 ! 1 1 ! 1 !

q3 gogo

q4 gogo

Imo it`s rather sad to see all the american quake community lick Angel`s ass after he ditched them so easily.

I mean, i do understand we need NA tourneys in 1v1, no matter the flavor, but this is ridiculous at best.

Throwing up a last minute quake event into CPL is asking for more shit, just you wait and see :)

That being said, good luck to all those who attend if it does happen. And quick suggestion :: unless youre expenses are paid to get there, do NOT attend lol.

back when carmac wasnt a sellout stuff like this would make the veins in his forehead explode :P and yea, its a bit of a shame na players like chance dahang naymlis etc seem to suck up so bad to an organisation that doesnt take basic responibilities :(

?? how did i suck up.. i just stated i would go if theres a q4 tournament

How's Carmac a sell out?

yes yes yes yes yes yes

Q3 gogogogogo

Does online tournament not exist in Q3/Q4 anymore? I mean, they would be as credible, or even more so, than a LAN tournament as CPL don't pay out anyway, and an online tournament would have much more players(?)?

Edit: and online you can even have proper coverage - by anyone!

more of an event on lan, at least i think its more fun to watch.

Yep, but the thing is that you can't really watch the stuff live nowadays? xD

damn vods ruin everything

funny how it's called video on demand, when the demand is only fulfilled like from 48 hours after a tournament at best. :(

wsvg (for example) was fine up until the toronto event imo.

umm, no, more like this year's Lanwar

there are some few attempts with online tours in q3 1on1
but last time i played one there were like 6 signups ?

why is that? i mean halft of esr complains there are no tournaments going on, and comments like q3 ruuuulezzz are flying around everywhere.

come on community, i would say qw is more active in game
and q3 more active in random whine on forums etc

Yep, QW is probably the most active one of all the Quakes, so no need to feel particularly bad about that. ;)

im not to be honest, im more dissapointed that people have so much love for the game but they dont do anything about it on the semi-pro/amatur level of gaming
qw community realised along time ago what q3 should also realise
its not going to be any major cash tournaments to be held
ride with it and have online tournaments

Yep, the attitude is kinda "if anything is to be done, then we have to do it by ourselves" and i think any community gain from such an attitude. It just seems like Q3/Q4 is waiting for things to be done, which won't happen. I'm not complaining though as some of the players gets their eyes up for QW in the painful process. :)

indeed.
hah thief!

sad to say this as a q3 fanboy..but you are correct.

cod4 instead please

wrong website buddy

omg this made my day loool ffs

your day laughed out out out loud for fucks sake?

mine did

i'd vote for their tourney, but i'd also expect them to cancel it shortly befor the CPL-winter. thats the point that sucks like hell, that ppl dont get their money payed out is another one. it would be really nice, if the CPL would finally make the right step and keep on doing so, but that is actually nothing more than a "would-like-future".

anyways i hope that they do a quake X tourney.

either focus up and pay up what you owe the players and use Q4 or just dont make it.

why q4? most of the players i know of that are "top", "pro" gamers practise q4 and q4 only for their tournaments and havnt played q3 in a long time. im not sure any of them would be willing to switch back for just one tournament with dodgy payment history? the only thing i'd like to watch in q3 would be a cpm tournament.. but we all know that won't happen.

so yeah, pay up what you own or just leave it and keep going with some other useless stuff =)

edit: sif cpl will read this but at least ive posted my 5 cents in this matter HEHEHE

What is the motivation to attend? They are willing to betray their following on a moments notice(holding tournaments for the highest bidder), they don't pay out their prizes, and they screwed me out of the last tournament I attended.

sorry cpl, but we're better off without you. And no, when you close your doors, WE ALL WONT LOSE, just you.

ps- I'll buy severity off you for one dollar. And did fat/voo/stermy ever get their winnings from 05? or anyone else in the finals for that matter? last i heard the answer was "no". Pathetic.

HEY NOMADIC I HAVE a $70000000000000000 TOURNAMENT WANNA COME? I PROMISE ILL PLAY


THE GAME IS BOMBERMAN SINGLEPLAYER.

wow thats a first i've heard of 05 players not getting paid......I know fake_id didn't get paid from the last winter event because of something stupid. If the same thing happened with all of the other players...........just do the right thing and take legal action pretty simple. CPL event wouldn't be bad if they didn't have so much negativity around it. I might attend just to see peeps though.

I got paid for last winter, but a) it wasn't much money and b) I was on top of the forms and shit. I know at least one person who didn't get paid because they were unaware of the form they needed to send in.

Pro-gaming is more like gaming with a side of gambling, it seems.

I thought they got their money like over a year ago? Unless I was dreaming... :\

WTF but where is Veritas ?!?!?!?!?!?

17 people.

etc ... :)

cinky

As much as I prefer q3 as a game and want to see a good tourney out of it, I really don't see it being successful given its current state. It'd be cool and all, but expecting a decent sized turnout for a game that's been retired from the pro scene for so long? I don't think so.

q3 plz

not osp plz. thanks.

going down the shithole, might as well give warsow a try!
or not. :(

that would be awesome :P

bit of a déja-vu feeling, innit?
I think a one-time q3 event would be a great idea tho. About the number of participants however, I don't know; it's hard to predict how much players would be motivated to train for 1 time only, and as it is in the US, how much players could get finances to get there.
If it were to be in Europe the story might be different.

Anyway, it would be very nice to have quake on CPL Winter again. q4 would be nice, q3 even better!

at least the Q4 players have the backing still

hm yes, sad but true, q4 might be the best option. (*sigh* =()

q3 ctf 4v4 w00t w00t

teamfortress 2

Atleast it's a tournament to look forward to!

// Vo0

def yes, id prefer q4 over q3, but if q3 was chosen that would still be awesome

I have no faith whatsoever in the CPL making the correct choice about anything ever. My guess is they'll lead people on about Q3/Q4 as long as possible and then announce that they will be using Peggle.

q4 tourney would probably have a higher turnout than a q3 considering it would be NA

gogogo q4!! :D

Quake 3 \o/

Angel, check sign ups of various compos and you will see that Q3's outnumber Q4's ! ;)

not to mention the enthusiasm and success of last Q3 CPL in 2006 ...

not to mention the enthusiasm and success of last Q3 CPL in 2006 ...


I think that whole debacle only hurts q3's chances, so thanks for bringing it up! :p

why was it a debacle?

because I said so. If i had valid facts backing my statements, it wouldn't be trolling. now would it. :p

KEKE

its just like


hey kids, want a candy???????? mmmm
many many shinney faces........

and then they take it back and laugh big time at us over n over again
its a fuckin joke no more i can say about cpl.






ofc q3 would be nice. and wouldnt bother follow q4.
but still..

Would be nice with a q4 event.
Maybe you can get back a little of the lost credebility if you host a good q4 event and pay all prices on time =P

prepay toxic

haha =p

People talking like if a Q4 tournament will have more signups than a Q3 one is just dreaming.

Vote for Q3, we had enought Q4.

sadly, in this case imo, the people who are wishing for a q3 tournament are also dreaming. im not believing CPL again.

what Q3 players in Europe have the backing to goto Dallas? people might prefer to watch Q3 but seriously how many players would even bother to attend

The first question is how many of them have as of today a valid US visa.
me wonders.

visa isnt the only issue though is it, ££$$€€ not many Q3 players, if any, have sponsors. Only the Q4 players which possibly would switch but why would they practise for Q3 when they have been playing Q4.

some ppl actually work and get money ;p

but i wouldnt go either, cpl still owes me money (everyone from cpl italy actually).

ye but would that want to waste their hard earned money going :) would be different if it was being held at DH orso

and ye the outstanding money owed still leaves a nasty taste in the "top players" mouths... once bitten twice shy, although im sure many are owed money from more than 1 event, not sure.

true true.. I don't think many would even bother to attend for the reasons you have stated in your comments.

I was just wondering how many Q3/Q4 sponsored or not sponsored players from Europe may have visa issues which need to be sorted out if they want to attend.

av3k/cooller/cypher for 3 :P

Maybe more will show for q3, maybe more will show for q4. Hard to say tbh.
What I can say for sure though is that the skill level will be higher at a q4 even =/

Quake 75%!

I couldnt care less

If it was possible you wouldn't have posted :<

either one would be good, aslong as there is some form of video coverage!!!

What about this totally random idea: a tournament with all four quakes.

Yeah, it was awesome.

I'm glad I got to attend my first QuakeCon last month!!

w00t!!!!

perhaps you might want to edit your journal because if we need you youre pretty much still available on this site

All the quake 3 players can play quake 3 for the rest of their life, you guys will never see another quake game like q3, Sorry. Time for change. Q3 was great but its time to learn new games and move on and accept change.

Q4 @ CPL

Q4 might not be as great as q3 ever was but i have move fun playing it because its new and plays different from all the other quakes, i don't like playing the same game over and over for 5+ years.

hi,
i don't agree with your opinion.
bye

Stupid. The superior game must be played.

Q3 is the logical option.

so would you attend the event if they chose Q3?

I'll go because as i said Q3 is good but i want to play new games. Quake 4 is good, too many haters.

ye you would but what im getting at is all these Q3 players say Q3 is superior and want it to be at events like cpl, yet they wouldnt attend themselves. if they did maybe there would be more events :)

very true :) imho both q3 and q4 are great games but i enjoy playing q4 more.

most of the ppl that scream for q3 want to watch it rather than attend ;)

Yeah, I would if I had the luck of being one of those 5 persons that get paid to play arround the world, possibly beating some "names". But I just can't throw 1000$ on travel + hotels for the sake of playing Q3 as a "second game". If it was the first (only game) and the prize was high, like it used to be, maybe, but by reading some "CPL doesn't pay the winners" histories, plus maybe being the last Q3 LAN tournament because big events use stupid retarded games nowadays (so, imagine you win the event, you get on some team that can sponsor you, but oh, you don't have more Quake tournaments anymore!) sounds like a no.

But yeah, in the meantime I wait for Quake Zero i'd like to see some decent games again on Q3, at least via GTV.

like you'd place anyways..

Obviously yes.

Then leave us to play our game over and over again. We ain't tired yet. But some players centaily are bored by q4.

You can still play your "favourite" game at CPL next year. Isn't his name is Severity?

What makes you think i want to play Severity? oh because its new... is that it? If its good i'll play it, if its not then i wont its easy. Quake 4 is a great game but its not Q3 with better gfx so everyone crys.

Mkay.. we all know its not about graphic. Then what? Can you tell me? Cause maybe I don't know why 16 people left on whole earth playing Q4 after WSVG folds it's tent and goes home (copyrights to Carnage).

Edit: Okay. You clearly don't follow me. Earn money on something else. Its' better choice to get rich. Q3 players now do it only for fun. Meanwhile Q4 players don't.

p.s. I don't say Q4 sucks or something. Both are great competition games, but hey! which number has biggest community? Don't lie yerself.

I don't remember saying you said Q4 sucked? Also i play Q4 for fun I find it 10x better than q3 1v1.

yeah keep thinking with everyday that goes by q3 is gaining more and more players and not losing any. Don't lie to yourself :)

if Q3 or Q4 was picked would you go to the event?

Yes, definitely. But only if I got money, or somebody would pay for my trip. If Q3 - I would play. If Q4 - I would watch. Plus in both, do my job as e-sport scene redactor. What's your point now? Oh, I get it.

i like all quakers, but.. q3 > q4 to fun

so there's two of us :)

:)

never see another quake game like q3?

quake zero? Lol.

quake zero is q3 on a web browser .

Lol.

?
and?

new quake game, new name, with (according to the plan) huge accessibility. Exactly like Quake 3. 'Lol.'

they are taking q3 and making it a web based game.. everything is the same but its on a web page. Im going to take quake 4 and change the name to quake elite, now we have a new game!

gg.

when will ppl understand that you wont play quake zero in the fucking webbrowser.

Full javascript engine FTW! (and a "beta" sticker next to the logo)

no thx ;)

you're really going to do that? i don't think it will be worthwhile tbh. i don't think you'll sell alot of copies...

then why is cs still being played? :<

dont think i like u, i did press the [+] accidently ffs!

first of all, there is no time to learn new games.
should football players learn some other game, wah?
fuckin idiot.

Q3 is ours. Everyones. With a pure skill behind and a great community.

no thx.

go wsw.

I'd rather rip my nads off and chew on them.

lol it feels like he turns to the quake community as the very last resort just because he needs bodies or smt

like a vampire seeking blood!

.

=D

CPL Still owes money from previous events, plus they owe 6,000 to fox.


590 servers, 526 players - Q4 on gamespy, like 36th place

having a q4 tourney would be a dumb business move. There are...well.....like 30 games with more players.


ut3 anyone?

icel0re

fkn stop with ut3 ppl... duelling in ut never lasted past its hype. Ut is a team game...

yet ut2004 still has ec and esl

So has SOLDAT...

wtf that

this!!!

if ut3 is half as good as q3 ill play it :o

lets wait until the game is out :)

the cpl is clearly lacking in anal discipline. they're shitting on everyone.

ut3 is going to be fuckin trash please. look at a video.

they already announced what they're doing: Halo 3.

halo3 was announced at the beginning of Sept (its on my Sept' 2nd news post) Angels comment was made on the 13th ... maybe they are thinking of adding more competitions

yea but i take it like if it happened it would be more like a smaller, side thing at best, which obviously would just make the whole situation even worse.

ye idd. from previous news post "Several other open tournaments will also take place but are yet to be announced."

i played ut3 @ the hp/voodoo merger party and it felt like garbage. movement was pretty slow and it ran like crap on some pretty suped on computers(those new blackbird computers). I dont know if the build i was playing was close to final but it didn't feel like much of a duel game. I think q4 or q3 would make a great showing at CPL and either one is fine at this point so a PC duel game is at least being played at a tourney.

imo 90% of the people on ESR are huge fucking morons.Probably by choice, but I'm starting to hate this site more and more each day.

don't underestimate esr! i'd go with at least 98%

I used to be a counter-strike player and trust me this isn't bad at all.

= +'d

17 Q3 players vs 17 Q4 players vs Angels Ass who laughts all night about all the hookers.
The whole story is ridiculous.

move on people...
this "to quake or not to quake" isn´t going to take us nowhere...
these comebacks have proved to be failures most of the time...

Lets pray for wsw.

let's not.

let's

I agree with you Griffin, I think Quake 4 is solid and I dont like how people who say its not Quake (3) with better graphics. People talk about Painkiller and UT3 being the next games blah blah. I mean ill give UT3 a shot, but I am not going to switch cuz of trends, and besides painkiller looks digusting I dont' even want to play the demo of that game.

quake3: osp 1on1

nothing left to say...

quake3: cpma 1on1
nothing more to add

Angel you can't keep game hopping forever, the once kids, are now adults and are still here waiting for their money! Pay up or shut up.

TF2!!!!!!!!

i hope they choose q3... just for the giggles about the number of interesting-to-watch players showing up :)

zdaemon tbh...

i'd go :D

q3

q3

lol griffin i started q3 like last sept and watched through the entire legends cd and more if a game in this world has more history and provides alot more enjoyment for those who dont play competetive video games it's q3 4 sure. I was a cs player loved it then i got bored stopped playing and did nothing for almost a year till i thought hmm what's a game that i never played that it's always been around but never as popular as Cs. Then bingo it hit me q3 bought it installed and played i also bought q4 at that time i found it as hard if not harder to get good at a game that involves almost every god damm thing possible in computer games, Strategy style timing control aim and luck.

I dont think your opinion has much fact. The game is Q3 Everything after that is based off from it. New Games provide excitement at first till its mellowed down and then you get the regulars and hardcores. It also adds activity to the game what q3 cant do now days because of new titles. New games get played more but people always have a stopping point because older games die out which means less players less tournament's all it seems you wanna do is socialize at a lan centre or at a big gay lan tourny like cpl yet live off your parents for the rest of your life hoping that you'll make it big like fatal1ty.

Q3 > cs > any game i've ever played cept Syphon Filter 2 1v1 pistols only.

the legend cd ah nice stuff there
i can send you some prozac demos from eurocup 3 very very nice stuff
you can see some of it on clanbase eurocap vid
http://video.google.de/videosearch?q=clanbase+eurocup+

just wait for new game to come.. q3/q4 is history now
//Hazter

q3 please, but please please please consult the community about the map selection.(rapha)

q3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Other Tournaments (to be announced)
Halo 3
Guitar Hero
Super Smash Bros. Melee
America's Army
Team Fortress 2

so no quake? :)

just let quake die in peace. ut3 might be a good choice just to see how it would work as a tourney game although im sure it wont compare to the rest of the quakes.

instead i'd rather the CPL focused on not shitting on the competitive community again like they did with their whole fear xbox 1v1 and wic (which despite being fun really isnt a comp game) tours.

give us quake fcking three !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

go quake III

lol angel makes fools out of everyone and laughs at you. he says "quake" and you jump. how pathetic.

no quake for you.