splash damage should have made q4 tbh :/

guess no demo then either in the near future :(

I sense a new DUKE NUKEM FOREVER!

ET:QW is already in a playable state. carmac and i played vs one another on 8 man teams at e3.

maybe duke nukem forever was too!
I am just kidding relax mood :P

Yeah, even comparing it to DNF is ridiculous... Guess we'll see how much more work has been done on the game @ QuakeCon.

DNF...I literally read that as "Did Not Finish" at first...then realized you were talking about Duke Nukem Forever...and then I lol'd.

lol :) good one ;)

i think 90% did the same thing

so does that put me in the top 10% or the bottom 10%?

so all q4 @ qcon :)

very good

I hope they spend that extra time well and produce a great game. At least we might have uber fast comps by then which allow to run a game with that bloody engine smoothly.

maybe the game will be complete as opposed to the big pile of shit that flopped on us known as 'Quake 4'

what a cocker

nubs

what a constructive criticism ...

it's called humor! you might want to change your reply to answer to comment #6. much more appropriate :P

I don't see how #11 can be classed as humour ..

Quicker they pump out games, the quicker we can whine :<

Is that the ESR motto?

Nope that's just Kozmo :)

I really think it is!

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH thats who it is :| lol such a spaz tbh

id knows they cant make another mistake.. ET-release 2007.. first good patch somewhere around 2008...

Here is my request to Syncerror (spelled right?)

I do not care how buggy the game is on release (it can be fixed)
I do not care if the maps are not great (community will come through)

How ever if you really want to do the esport community a favor release the game with some form of working qtv.

"I do not care if the maps are not great (community will come through)"

No, the maps need to be good out of box.

Terrible maps really hurt ET when it was released, among other things.

Yeah it was terrible. It was only the second most played online FPS game. Now years after the release it's at fourth place.
http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/

maps were fine

Not even close. Anyone who played fueldump, battery, oasis, goldrush, season one will tell you how fucking terrible the game was then.

Only Battery and Fueldump were bad maps, the rest were quite playable... in fact Goldrush and Oasis at the time were LOVED by most players.

because we had what options?

The customs now are way more popular, and the edited origionals are way more popuilar then the true origionals. What does this show?
Look at CS, and most good games 1-3 years after release - theres was always at least half the used maps as being origionals - why? Because the mapping team actually had a clue about competitive play.

The origional maps sucked, SD make pub games - hell look at their RtCW maps they're proud of releasing - Tram? Come on....

Way more popular? How long has it been since you ran a game server browser? ASE is telling me that it's about even, with half old maps and half new maps (only considering servers with people on them and only etpro).

Random maps in a pub rotation isn't what i was meaning - im talking (as was the guy you initially replied too) about a competitive setting, look at the maps on a competition list and what gets played more.

Half the pub players prefer ET main and don't even have customs downloaded.

There's only 1 stock map in the current map list, the other 5 are customs.

And how many whines about how bad Goldrush and Oasis suck did you hear at the time? Oh yeah, that's right: almost none.

Only now that we do have better alternatives do people consider those maps bad... but back when ET was only a few months - 1 year old, that wasn't true at all for over 90% of the competitive players.
Granted, people probaply didn't whine about those maps, because Battery sucked so amazingly hard (even in public play) and all the other maps were in significantly worse condition (than Oasis & Goldrush) from a competitive point of view.

The fact remains: almost no one whined about Oasis and Goldrush at the time... heck, fullholds didn't start to become common in Oasis & Goldrush games until almost a year after release, because it was only then that the proper tactics really started spreading to the masses of competitive gamers, rather than just a top few.

Original Oasis and Goldrush <3 with 20min fullholds <3<3 :D

ET was a total pub game at release, mainly because of the maps and lack of spam limiting. It didn't turn into a somewhat decent competitive game until a year and a half later.

I think the issue with Q4 despite all the bugs is that DM just isn't that popular of a gamemode anymore.

he's right IMO.

DM is a dying mode.

what literally? DM = Dying mode? :)

Pub game = community.

semi-true.

CS is obviously the biggest pub game AND the biggest competitive game.

but look at BF2 and uhhh, ET.

Huge pub communities but no backing by esports.

Actually now that I think about it, I guess ET:QW would fall under the category of BF2 and ET..soooo wtf game is going to replace Q4 like Q4 replaced PK?

The ET competitive community is 10 country miles ahead of Q4.

"Esports" is a myth, large LAN purses are a cancer. Money doesn't make a game good, neither does forcing it on people.

In europe it is. Not elsewhere unfortunatly. :\

i agree.

Large LAN purses are a cancer.

....

[...on gaming] is implied. And it's a fact, ruins the status quo.

The only good thing about LANs is an equal ping, other than that it's all bad.

if Q4 replaced PK, then PK2 will replace Q4. so, wtf game will replace Q3?
:p

agreed.

GFT.

Theres only 2 reasons ET is popular (ignoring the initial surge allg ames get)

1) It's free

2) ET pro

Take out one of those and you destroy either the pub community, or the competitive community..

Thanks to etpro

Depending on 'the community' kills games, games need casual players and they won't download 5 mods and 30 custom map packs to get onto a server. This is one of the problems with Quake, hopefully it wont be with ET:QW.

What we do need is a working netcode and AUTODOWNLOAD at the release!

/me points an evil finger at Raven

The rest can be fixed by the mod/map makers :)

thats d empty post

True autodownload, working perfectly from the beginning is all this game needs. Thats what made ET big too.

I think the fact that it was a free game helped more than it's auto-download feature...

Dont know if we really need autodownload for ET:QW when i think how big the filesize of the maps can be (you know, megatexture..)

"I do not care how buggy the game is on release (it can be fixed)
I do not care if the maps are not great (community will come through)"

Yes, yes... Think Quake, think the latest installment.

Would rather wait for a polished product, plenty to play in the mean time.

hey [+] for that!

I would prefer waiting a few extra months and getting a good game than quakewars ending up like q4 :)

agree 100% ;)

Activision is probably pissed the game didn't make it for christmas.

Thanks for delaying the release and not fucking up ET:QW like Q4 \o/

Splash damage FTW, i might actually buy it if it works :D

All we need is Quake 5 !

All we need is love <3

<3

<3 x 2

<3
xxx

aww how sweet

<3
xxx

Ah well, UT2k7 will most likely already be out by then.

Hopefuly ET:QW wont become the Battlefield clone it appears to be right now.

Unfortunately, Splash Damage is working on this game... considering the state they released Enemy Territory in (which was derived from the excellent Return to Castle Wolfenstein, it was initially just an expansion) I wouldn't be surprised if ET:QW turned out to be yet another Battlefield clone with the average competitive game requiring 12+ players on each side...

Don't get your hopes up.

You refer to the stae ET was released but dont forget that it was released for free. Sure there were things to fix but by then Activision had them working on QW. They weren't going to pump more man hours into a game that was released for free ...

It was an expansion for RtCW that later became a full-fledged game and was then dropped. So it built upon everything Gray Matter & Nerve had made for RtCW.

Yet in every respect (except visuals) RtCW was superior to ET, especially from a competitive point of view.

The logical conclusion? Splash Damage doesn't keep in mind the competitive portion of a game. RtCW was a competitively viable game, and they turned it into a pubbers game. Only after Bani got to work and released ETPro did anyone think ET was even remotely suiteable for competitive play.


Oh and I highly doubt they'd have been working on ET:QW prior to releasing ET. It's far more likely that Splash Damage was hired to do ET:QW after ET became such a massive hit.

this game looks like a glorified battlefield 2 anyways...

if they get it right, it will be 10x better, and they'll completely steal EA's online FPS bread and butter away from them

some of the concepts in BF2 were stolen from RTCW / ET in the first place

hopefully now ID / SD can show them how its done

that would be nice but i dont think it will happen if they're using the doom 3 engine (i dont know if they are or not)

i'm glad they're delaying it. now i can spend my christmas fun money on a wii and not a new cpu

they could sell not working game with source code on the same dvd so modding community is able to go through the code and make the game as it want ton see it :p

what a surprise haha lolz

To the guys above: Splash Damage stated that it's primary designed for 10-12 players on each side, but playtesting will also include 6vs6, as they have understood how important competive gaming has become.

So I dont expect a more or less failure like ET was in its first year. Hopefully...

Hardware is not fast enough to run this game good at end of this year, thats all.

need beta/demo :P

Blimey, somethign connected with id is running late.

Who would have thought it . . .

when its done

good thing IMO. I'd rather wait then have a rushed buggy game.

splash damage did a better job with enemy territory maps, mp features, and new mp gameplay elements than most games

a problem might be the doom3 engine. It adds limitations like 60 fps max and low quality textures.

Hopefully spash damage can do a little magic and make a fun game nonetheless.

People still wont like it because of the 60 fps max, it just seems to bug people.

Doesn't bug me. ;P

The e3 demo of ET:QW had a 30 fps cap.

I guess it's not that bad considering they are "blaming" the delay on multiplayer testing.

Gives us ex RTCWers a bit of hope at least!

http://www.quake3world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21992

this is usually what happens when i write something, so i registered @ esr today. halo

medics ftw

This info was originally released from:

http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/enemy-territory-q...741p1.html

The developer goes into more detail about the game and stuff.

"At this year's E3, we had our first chance to try out the game for ourselves, and we suspect gamers will get the same chance at QuakeCon 2006 in just a few weeks."

So I guess that means we will see a demo at Qcon? Personally, I'd rather hear/see more about RTCW2 :(

doubt we will see much info on rtcw2 till after et:qw is done
do we know who is making it?

Raven :D and MP by Nerve or so. They use a new technology where the whole game is one big map.

I heard RTCW 2 was going to be primarily console also???

say it aint so :<

I remember reading it somewhere... it may have been Here

Its gonna be an awesome game no doubt!

I cant wait