WCG final and 20 downloads so far. Kinda indicates how popular this game really is :/

more to the fact no1 knew where it was located.

its got about four times that on xtgs.nl, but i guess your point still stands since thats not much either

OK a bit more downloads now but still nowhere near e.g q3 which has maybe 2000 downloads on cyberfight when its not even a big game...:)

i think its a shame people leave the game before its over, especially in a final. you dont get a football team walking off when they are 4-0 down with 10mins left.

also how high is forrest's sens?!

You mean how low ?

it seemed high to me. unless he throws his mouse all over the place as he spins 180 every other second. or maybe its just me :/

he prolly got a lot of mouseacc.

ur a cser right? no high sens there heh

no ut2k3. just me then :)

His sens is about 16 cm/360, so pretty high

16 cm for a 360 would be pretty low?

I use 24 cm/360 and they call me highsens these days. Guess that says a bit..

guess my 5 cm for a 360° would be extremely high then :f

12cm 360, thats the size of my mouse mat as well :|. someone buy me a new one please, i got it from ikea for 50p..

Enjoyed both demos a lot. On Ironic it was very very close, although I got the impression that Forrest had more control over what was happening in general (doesn't change the fact that he was in deep shite a couple of times). Also, he seems to keep his cool in about all the crucial fights. In the fights over the armours they seemed to be only separated by the random variables in UT.

On Compressed I think it was decided by lauke taking the risk in the wrong moments. Those were not really mistakes, the chances he took could have gone the other way around and the game would have been different. Compressed really showed how close those gents were.

Lady Luck decided this time around...

I wouldn't call it luck, but I'd say any game between lauke and Forrest is unpredictable, Forrest just was in a better moment.

While i enjoyed ironic , compressed was very boring imo...

OK, what would you call it then?

dunno... maybe focusing. Just think Forrest was superior in this matches, but, like I said, I wouldn't place a bet if a new match happenned, lauke is a very strong player and could beat Forrest as Forrest beat him.

Luck. Not in the most common sense but still.

yeah, maybe we could call it that way :)

No, I wouldn't call it luck. Simply the shape off the day which was less for me this saturday. My play was as good as always but my aim didn't really wanto do his normall job, especially not in close combat. That's why I got myself in weird/hard situations a few times (I played like my aim was on fire a few moments, hoping that it would go on fire, it mostly didn't :)) ). Next time better shape (or luck if you use the luck meaning in that way).

About the early leaving in the game: If I would stay longer in the game I would have two options: Either (what mostly happens) fuck up the score for me more (lower for me suiciding, and higher for forrest, easy defensive vs ultra agressivestyle kills) so the scores would look even worse then the actuall skilldifference (just like at ECG I think the skilldifference was very small)
The other thing I could was recharging again, trying to get some armors and health again which would make the last few minutes very boring and not useless to watch because it would be useless.
So why don't you first think before you speak?

i did think, that was just my personal opinion. surely scores mean nothing anyway? but the fact is i know how annoying it gets in the heat of the moment and that when you know your going to lose, you just cant be arsed.

congratulations to forrest and lauke.

great match :)

this time ForresT have more luck :)

but both are great player...

GGs. Any other demos ? I'd like to watch some of the 2v2 action :)

Yes some 2v2 demos fron the nationcup thingie would be very nice.. cant find any on the wcg page tho :(

www.xtgs.nl
There is a demo of Netherlands-U.S final, and maybe more

nice match

funny games 2 watch gg's forrest :)
ut2k3 rocks tha show

not able to watch the demos :((

ut2k3 tells me that "DM-DE-Ironic, debpchecker, debonustextures, bp_arch1 and lavanskyx" are missing,...

i have installed the epic bonus pack, ttm and all the files suggested by the esreality "demo-howto" :)

someone who could help around ? :)

You probably need the Digital Extreme Bonus pack.

oh yeah, thx m8 :)

By Lauke - Reply to #28'
About the early leaving in the game: If I would stay longer in the game I would have two options: Either (what mostly happens) fuck up the score for me more (lower for me suiciding, and higher for forrest, easy defensive vs ultra agressivestyle kills) so the scores would look even worse then the actuall skilldifference (just like at ECG I think the skilldifference was very small)
The other thing I could was recharging again, trying to get some armors and health again which would make the last few minutes very boring and not useless to watch because it would be useless.
So why don't you first think before you speak?

Its still wery lame lame lame 2 do that

Yep. Lauke is a lamer to just walk away... real bad loser...

I dont think anyone would care for these comments since they are posted anonymous. Although.... when you diddnt posted them with your nick i still wouldnt care :D

Lauke is very far from a bad loser =P He left from my games at ESWC early as well... he just doesn't play them out when he knows its over. I seriously doubt forrest, nor the spectators minded.

Its 100% the standard in wc3 and SC. I don't see why people make such a big deal about it in FPS games =P (Atleast, in a match where rounds/kills don't matter... it obviously would be a problem in group games where it can cost people an advancement).

No it was not lame. I just explained it and you should have known when watching the demo. Yet it still doesn't enter your mind. It hasn't got anything to do with bad loser. You guys are so wrong it is funny. If you say that you are very very dumb, quite a noob (since you probably didn't see much topgaming) and a whiner because I didn't start whining and was and am happy. Try to not say bad things on ESR, people tend to do this. It is useless and not fun.
Just relax, I didn't try to harm, it's just my style, the game was already over, finished, end, done, my mind was depleted. It is hard to play these games with so much pressure. I wanted to get up, shake hands and get some fresh air, relax, and think what went wrong. I always do this after I tried to give my 100%.
I do understand your opinion but you should read my opinion and understand this time you are wrong. I am wrong also sometimes, it happens :).
I am not going to care anymore and enjoy my 2nd spot while my good friend Forrest got 1th which I can be very happy with :)

your calling him lame for leaving a match ... then i will call you lame for posting crap on the forum

i haven't played ut2k3 since the days where you could use apirated copy to play online :O and i prolly won't either but i tend to keep up with the news just like i read q3 news and from what i've read forrest and lauke are pretty much equally matched and if your balancing on the edge of the knife a small gust of wind will shift your balance ... ggs to lauke and forrest (eventho i didn't watch the demo :O)

Leaving the game doesnt neccecarily have to be lame, and that rhymes

but anyway... Nice demos, I enjoyed em

Yeah it is lame to walk away before the game is over. It's annoying when you're owning someone with a nice margin (and enjoying every bit of it) then they just log off cause they can't take losing...

Only bad losers do that... you wouldn't ever see Mike Tyson walking away from a fight. Great fighters give everything they've got and they stay till the END.

lol? That's because in boxing, as long as you can punch, you can always go for the knockout. Even if you are losing on points. AFAIK there is no such option in ut2k3 :P

In RTS games (e.g. BW, WC3) you would never bother playing to the end. Once you get to the point where there is no chance of winning, the losing player says 'gg' and it's all over. From some points of view, it makes sense to end the game when it's over rather than wait out remaining time where the game is no longer serious.

Exactly. Clearly, only smart persons understand this. As soon as you say 'gg' you congratulate your enemy with the win and give up because he has won. I didn't walk away, I was and am not a bad loser. It was simply useless to play more, Warcraft 3 players indeed do exactly the same, some ut2k3 player also. It's not lame if they do it, if they do it right.

ehem Lauke dont u think it would be wery boring 2 watch demos if everyone started doing what u do? manny people got owned at the wcg but they didnt quit. its fun 2 own someone and if that someone quits in the midle of the game it kinda takes away some of the plesure. there is no need 2 try and explain it with manny words what u did because leaving a game before its finnish is lame.

ppl at wcg dont play to produce nice demo's.

YOU'R POINT IS?

STFU?

In an official game you can do whatever you want to. What Lauke did is ok because it was an official.

But if it was a prac game, where both players do their best and use their spare time on duelling, it would be lame to leave before game is over. I mean if I have control vs a good player in 1v1 ut2, I don't like when opponent quit before game is over. Because I want to experience how to remain the control. You never learn that if the opponent leave before time runs out.

edit: Don't know how the WCG final rules we're, but if you want to judge what lauke did, you need to know how the rules was.
Im thinking about if they used a "map win" system or "overall frag" system. For example if they used "overall frag" system, then it would indeed be a lame thing to stop playing in a map where you get owned.
Though if the rules for final was "map wins" it wouldn't matter if Lauke left before map was over.

The rules we're mapcounts so forrest got his mappoints anyway. It was best out of three.
If the system would be fragcount and I would say gg that would be ok too since forrest wouldnt have to stop fragging me after saying gg so he would get even higher scores, as was done at ESWC.

lol :P Well if it was fragcounts, and you stopped playing and said gg. im sure you would get mad if forrest continued fragging you and getting an even bigger legal lead. c'mon...

No, that's actually what I did at ESWC vs Fatality. I didnt think of the fragcount and it would have been somewhat impossible to catchup also. Score at Ironic there was 11-8 or something for me and compressed was 6-0 with 2 minutes remaining, fat had a full lock on the map so I sad gg. He kept fragging and made it 11-0. That's why Fat was 1th in the (2nd time) groups and I was 2nd :)

i just watched my first ut2003 demo. it was lauke vs. someone from clan masK. the funny thing is tho, that i really dislike the game, but then i saw, they've stolen fucking pro-dm6 :)) I never knew that!!! even thought, i have to admit, that the game had something like "tension", if it was a quake3 demo on dm6, it would've been the most boring of all times...
so here is my advise for lauke: quit ut and start playing q3. come and see light boy. you are still young!

Edit: it wasn't worth replying, silly me.

it tried both ut1 and 2k3 and of course they were fun to play on some degree. but my point is, that ut2k3 is far more boring to watch than q3. i say that not because i am a q3 fanboy, but i say that because that exactly how i feel, when i wathc ut2k3 and q3 demos on the same map. of course i know, that ut2k3 is aswell skill based as q3, but it's just that there isn't the great and direct feeling, that is in q3. it's pointless to have another one of these discussions, it's just to bad you went for the wrong game.

I don't post here much, but when I saw this discussion I felt I had to add something. Doesn't "quitting" depending on the game?

In Chess for example in PRO Play you would look like an idiot if you played till the end. If you know your going to loose You drop your king and say "resign".

Is this in the same spirit of that?

cmon people download the demoes, only 623 so far, wanna se greate skillz download and watch these demoes. hf cool entertainment

Comebacks are the name of the game, leaving early is poor sportsmanship but it was his choice. Heh, if he stayed he still had a chance to pull off a win (lucky full bio anyone?) but leaving sealed his loss.

His own mistake, in my opinion. RTSes can be done before they really are, but I've yet to really see matches in most FPSes (between two good players of similar skill) that are over before they are completed. All someone needs to do is make a few awesome shots, and hope for a few bits of luck... at least it shows they tried to turn it around something instead of walking away and guaranteeing their failure.

ye i totaly agree with u :D chickenstyle bad loser lauke suck. whatever u say Lauke wont change the fact that leaving before the time runs out is lame, wery lame. why cant u just admit that? o well i hope not manny players start doing what u do, that will kinda spoil manny demoes in the future

Are you impotant Lauke? It seems like you crack under pressure... have some confidence in yourself boy!

Hehe believe me if you win 20.000 in 1 year you aint cracking under pressure ;)

played both, comp was a tad boring!

can understand why lauke walked out tho, would of taken near on a miracle to win at that point.