looks crap tbh, hope id makes their own original remake, if not then gzdoom still looks better, 3d models that look like they were made for 3d stickman game, how is that better? many doom remakes look like blatant ripoff, no matter how detailed they are, if id wanted to really hurt doom community, they would rather ban all gzdoom stuff, which they don't since it's the stuff that is actually fun to play. they do have some quality issues in their recent games but they are still better than mod stuff most of the time.

from the article:

"Unfortunately I had to remove all downloads due to legal issues not being sorted," vasyan777 wrote in the most recent update. "I thought ZeniMax would approve the new build because this time it was distributed as a mod, but it seems the problem was a 'third-party game engine' which they said is illegal to use with Doom IP (this is very weird since Doom Remake 4 was bundled with GZDoom which is just a Doom source port forked from original Doom engine which is GPL)."

i mod an id game too, but i don't just take id game content and re-release it for free, i actually try to make something different, i have been in contact with some modders who just reuse id stuff and release it for free which i think doesn't make sense at all if you want to have anyone respecting you as author. i don't use any of copyrighted stuff, if that is possible, down to sounds and music, modding is not about trying to rip someone off, it's about trying to make something new, so i really don't sympathize modders who just rip stuff from original game and publish it as a mod.

from the article

It's such a mod for a 25 year old game, the guy that names this a remake is somewhat of a fucking idiot. looks more like a HD Pack or something.

First time i hear about it, looks very cool.

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They're just raged that some hobby devs put their efforts to shame.

not really, the mod looks like some crap appstore app at best, i would never play that on my pc to be honest. the reason it was banned is the same reason duke nukem remake on unreal engine was banned is that they used copyrighted ip to make remake of work that did not belong to them, they probably wanted to sell that to id for some of money, and when they said no, those guys just kept producing more of it to hurt sales of original game. makes sense to protect your own work, if i were a real modder, i would never try to use copyrighted content to republish as my own work, what most of these so called remakes do, they border on breaching copyrights of every kind. he didn't just send it over to id, hey guys i am making this mod, use it as you want, he specifically published it under his own name without consent of original author, which even other modders do, same shit happened to me when other modders never gave me credit for remaking their map, which later became very popular, instead claiming it as their own work.

They made the infamous horse armor dlc, so nothing new, one of worst company in videogame industry

are you seriously playing that mod? i am really questioning all of your sanity at this point, does anyone really care for some unauthorized assets, i wish you would react the same way if one of your works was stolen this way and your were like, hey its fine, i have no money for rent, but at least this guy is having fun re-releasing all of my work for free.

esr are a bunch of hippes, they want classic id games, but they don't want to pay for them, problem solved why id doesn't make any classic games anymore. please stop giving suggestions how to save quake cause that would probably lead to the end of the company.

Nice ass blast.

You are on the wrong ship here

As if they need help sinking their own company.

have you seen what valve has been doing lately, releasing dota card games and dota mods? id is not alone here in catering to the wrong audience, big aaa developement requires bigger audience to sustain itself, that's why you see all these crap titles being made, and as far as doom1 remake, have you seen what people are doing? they are complaining for id not letting to pirate their content. are you all seriously hypocrytical or what? are you actually playing all of this cause i really smell troll-baiting at this point. i am completely fine with playing gzdoom with vanilla textures, i don't pretend like i like shoddy fan doom remakes just to troll a company. that remake is a piece of crap from what i have looked at.

If they make good products and I like them, I might buy them. If not, I won't. I paid for the classic id games and I still play them.

Their company is not my responsibility, there are some communities around their old games that they don't give a fuck about and those aren't going anywhere anytime soon. No one owes id jack shit. They owe it to themselves to make decent products.

yeah, except i see no reason to complain over banning pirating doom stuff. if you like ids games pay for them, if not stop complaining that your mod has been taken down because it infringes on id copyrights. i am not sure to be honest whether or not id owes jack shit to anyone either, it's their property.

from the article:

"I've talked to legal counsel, and they stated that there would be a high chance of us winning the argument, since this is a mod, but the legal fight would take most likely a year(s) and cost around 100k."

You're a bit thick, aren't ya?

You and all the bethesda shills who are ruined Doom and Quake and all the people like you, who pretty much fucked up gaming altogether with your cashcow and micortransaction ideas and whatnot.....fuck you, fuck you with a pitchfork!

Do a 3D accelerated version. On modern hardware (fast pentium + 3DFX)
you probably wouldn't even need to be clever -- you could just draw the
entire level and get reasonable speed. With a touch of effort, it should
easily lock at 60 fps (well, there are some issues with DOOM's 35 hz
timebase...). The biggest issues would probably be the non-power of two
texture sizes and the walls composed of multiple textures.


I don't have a real good guess at how many people are going to be
playing with this, but if significant projects are undertaken, it would
be cool to see a level of community cooperation. I know that most early
projects are going to be rough hacks done in isolation, but I would be
very pleased to see a coordinated 'net release of an improved, backwards
compatable version of DOOM on multiple platforms next year.

Have fun.

John Carmack
12-23-97

you have done that with your piracy stuff, how can a company survive if you never pay for their games, i think all of you deserve what you got in the end. i am happy playing doom1-quake3, and people like you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to developing games that are pirated by loosers like you who then deman a better sequel.

- I was working in the game industry for more than a decade
- I pretty much have a room full of PC and console games from NES to all the way up to xbox1x/ps4pro
- I have more than 600 games on steam, 200+ on gog, 50+ on origin and 30+ on uplay.and also hundreds on my console accounts

Definitely I must be the one who doesn't know what he is talking about and who is a pirate looser, your logic checks out.

please do a video tour of your collection.

so what you are saying is that a random person on the internet (including me) should be responsible for a decision made by a company that was making hit games since 1990s? either their fanbase is retarded or company is run by idiots, or both. i don't see every other company in the industry fail because they add dlc to their games, if you look at tf2, yeah that game has shit ton of dlc but it's still ok, same with fortnite and many others, it has more to do with devs loosing interest, imagine doing games since 2d sidescrollers up to doom 2016 era, it's not fun anymore, they all probably have mansions by now, what would be motivation for them to work harder? id simply needs to change their team leads and bring in more dev hungry people there, the last time i checked their job application it sounded like they are hiring for some kind of science project, many people in the industry started with no formal education whatsoever.

You have to kill yourself.

you have no clue what you are talking about and its annoying

thought all their old stuff is gpl/gnu licensed?

bethesda are retarded and it aint worth bothering with any of their shittie console games

Hahahaha omg this video. Did not know about that story. Thx bro

Ok now i totally understand that QC thing. I have to admit that we the Quakers almost were lucky with QC. The disaster with Fallout 76 is way way way bigger haha. Poor folk, have my sympathy.

Theres a theroy going around that fallout 76 was just a test from bethesda to see how far they could push, how little they could hald ass a game and still it being an economical success.

Mission accomplished, a gazillion people bought the game, paid for the comsetics and even ordered the deluxe editions with all the crappy platic stuff.

Thiefs

The more trash games are an economical success the less quality games we will receive

RIP ID

btw, there is another ip lawsuit for this retro Ion Maiden game:

https://www.polygon.com/2019/5/30/18645765/ir...en-logo-pc

Poor 3D Realms :(

Oldfags don't make enough millions touring the world with their shitty dad rock and now they want to crush hard working mappers and modders from the duke community for a fucking R?

The logo doesn't look like the iron maiden logo at all.

The name is just a pun. Those guys don't have case.

Ridiculous...

- Code base is free to use and modify.
- Engine is free to use and modify.
- id actively encourages MODs

And then, there is Bethesda, suing for using a free code base as intended by the makers of the code. Are they completely out of their mind?

They’ll get away with it all this bullshit too.

The problem appears to be that initially they bundled some id copyrighted data in the package to simplify installation - which I guess they thought was OK since they'd replaced most of the content with 3rd party content They were wrong about that, and the lawyers were correct to send them a C&D for that.

The developers then back-tracked and then re-released a legal version that simply relied upon having the id data installed from a separate, presumably legal, install of Doom, which I would have thought should be OK. It does seem a bit harsh that the lawyers haven't backed off when they apparently complied with the "don't distribute our copyrighted data", but perhaps there is something else they missed?

The comment re "a 'third-party game engine' which they said is illegal to use with Doom" seems to be the second sticking point. I suspect this might be a clause somewhere related to the demo - perhaps they've allowed it to work with the shareware build, which I remember from other id licences sometimes they sometimes explicitly block the use of 3rd party mods.

This is a good writeup on the duality of doom licencing:

https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Doom_Source_License

I'm no lawyer, but I think there was indeed a solid legal ground for the C&D from bethesda side, The guy should have kept silent about the whole mod, because it was eating into the market share of the Doom IP.

The handling and the result what is disgusting, especially because the goal was to make something good and not about moneymaking.

If you look at Black Mesa for example (and nobody could claim that Valve ignores money) that game totaly eats into Valve's market share of the Half Life IP, yet it was handled in such a way that everybody can be happy at the end, the gamers the moders and Valve too. exactly how it should be (imho).

How was it in your opinion "eating into the market share of the Doom IP"? Am I missing something?

New Doom is coming. and there is a certain (small) segment of the target audience, who could lose the thirst (will to buy) for such a game after playing a mod like this, which would mean less sale numbers for Bethesda.

...imho

Okay, fair enough.
Imho there does not exist a single gamer on this planet that would get discouraged buying Doom Eternal because he/she saw this Doom Classic HD MOD. Look at them in comparison. How you reach that opinion is a mystery to me. On the contrary, imho people might be encouraged to play more doom, reliving the classic in HD.

We are talking about a different kind of group. I was talking about people who are not really interested in fps games and people who do not know much about Doom (and as strange as it might sounds to us, there are a lot of people like that). If they play a 3d remake like in this thread, that might be more than enough for them.
The Steam market/economy is a very special place, people buy a lot of games, what they do not play at all, they only buy it because of the launch hype on the frontpage of Steam and on other platforms they visit on a daily bases. We are talking about a huge money here, well worth to send the lawyers after. That is the group I was talking about.

That's pretty disgusting and I'm saddened that they do this, or that Volk defends this with [argument that applied to previous build that has since been updated] and [it's shit anyway and previous build broke the law why you complaining] as if these weren't transparently empty arguments about something nobody cares about, whereas about this shutting down of a seemingly legitimate mod people do care about.

reverse the name to MOOD
problem solved.