lol fu tim

gonna make an alt steam account and buy QL again then leave it idling in menu when I get home I think

> giving money to id software to own id software

ID software only care about cheese

Or if you wanna splash out a bit, make a few accounts, get say 10 keys, run 10 VM instances and just play a demo over and over.

cool band

originally formed by Tim Willits in 1982

lol why have I only just now plussed this?

i was going to make a tread for all the things tim willits has inveted but i didnt want to break the website

#woke

humiliation

He's so out of touch it hurts.

hahahah remember when everyone said qc sucks and tim said well fuck you go play quake live.... hahaha tim you fucking moron time to look for another job

"just go play Quake Live"

and we did

looks like he took your advice, man let's get some appreciation for this post

Is this ape for real?

https://youtu.be/KmrAYXyenT4?t=96

oh wow, the story of tim doing something first again!

LMAO

He was expecting to get fired when bethesda took over, so he wanted to make a quick buck by selling them the domain :), well he was not fired but he might get soon.

oh god, what an embarrassment

Lol, nice try...pathetic

<300 QC Players damn son.

Plus there's no Toxicity in Quake Champions, so it's a no go for me. :-(

well... if there is one thing there is a lot of.. :D

GOD FUCKING DAMNIT CREEP, I MEANT THE MAP.


But hahahaha yeah, I see what you did there, you sneaky bastard.

;-)

you cant make this shit up

Almost like listening to Croatian politicians :)

https://i.imgur.com/9iD00Ii.jpg

I think I might reinstall ql just because of this.

hahahahahaha

wow, ql is crushing qc on steam. do we know what proportion of players use the bethesda launcher?

syncore said something like... 50 when he last checked via his script (or whatever he has coded). that was a month ago tho :D

so it's like 30 now?

Wishful thinking.

I used it... I used it to UNINSTALL 'syncerror's Quake'

so you can make that 29

ur doing gods work

extra points: it is based on everything they learned in quake 3. like fucking what, champions? what about stuff you learned in quake live? :S

That's a poor quality bullshit, I expected better.

That's hilarious, but also sad - the way they keep desecrating the title.

They've deluded themselves into thinking QC would blow up and get a huge influx of all kinds of new players. They've disrespected oldtimers, essentially saying 'Pfft, we don't need you'.
Now that it's a flop, they are literally begging the few dozen or few hundred of you: 'come and play our game... it's good... please?' That's a new level of patheticness even from them.

I would've not objected to QC succeeding. Unfortunately, all of this was very easy to predict. They got the funding to pay for an engine and creating various assets. But putting it together into a high quality game that would break into the mainstream and compete with other popular titles, is not something they are capable of doing.
On the other hand though, they've changed things up just enough that it really isn't Quake anymore, and doesn't appeal to the purist, vanilla crowd either.
Which begs the question: who was this game made for, who did they have in mind as a target audience, if any?

One thing's for certain: I wouldn't want to trade places with Timmy, once the Bethesda suits inevitably show up for a little sit-down.

but they don't need the old timers. there's like 200-300 quake players left. why would they make a game for them? :D

i think i will take my shotgun on tim willits if he does not shut up in this vidjeo =]<o~~~~

http://esreality.com/post/2901492/3d-model-i-...pid2901544

Judging by that pic you almost nailed it ;)

Word of the Day: Schadenfreude.

huehuehue Gienon.

I'm disappointed with where id has taken Quake beginning with the gameplay changes in QL. Fuck all that chain jumping, auto hopping, double jumping nonsense. They redid all of that crap in QC plus added the champions. Even if the game ran great it's just not very fun to play.

I'm disappointed with where id has taken Quake beginning with the gameplay changes in QL. Fuck all that chain jumping, auto hopping, double jumping nonsense. They redid all of that crap in QC plus added the champions. Even if the game ran great it's just not very fun to play.

That's almost less offensive than BFMG. Like half of the classic maps are ruined by having a BFMG somewhere that used to have a logical weapon placement: RJ up the jump pad from Quad to Mega on demonkeep. All from the same idiotic change spree though..

The Dreamhack Winter QC matches were kind of watchable, but no plasma and no nades in QC? Unbelievable.

Yup - couldn't agree more. People need to remember it started back then - in 2014. All those crappy changes that were literally forced upon us that we all said we didn't want but they gave us anyway.
Loadouts! Item Timers, Universal Ammo, HMG, Auto-Hop,
re-arranging items on classic maps to accommodate this stuff - (and remember half the maps went missing as well?) - they ruined FFA and other game-types like FreezeTag - a lot of old players left and never came back.
(LG change to 6 is debatable for some)

Then the worst of the worst - those bloody announcers!
3 attempts - THREE ATTEMPTS! (and at least 2 in this new version) None as good as Xian (install from Steam Workshop)

They took Xian away so they could add 'head-shot' (which we don't have in-game) and other nonsense like 'Perforated!' - why would you be 'perforated'? (is this how they make tea-bags?) 'Scrambled' maybe 'Dispersed' but surely not perforated.

Then in the end, they were forced to reverse it all and at least give us options to turn things off.
They left it in a mess though as all that stuff is still on by default..
and can anyone explain 'Factories' to me??

I got a ban in the Quake Live Forums at the time for simply saying this -

"You can't improve this game.. no-one can"

so far I'm proved right.

TDM, CTF and duel doesn't have any of that shit. Just sayin'.

Nowadays, some pure pub FFA servers can be found as well.

LG damage changed to 6 was one of the more annoying changes imo

the unbelievable thing is that they reverted it back to 7 for Quake Cheesepions ?
un-brie-lievable!

they knew the hard-hitters wouldn't move to that cheese game anyway

Serious plays it though and is doing absolutely monsterous at the moment. ;)

: *

cg_autohop 0

I've been watching some older CPMA VQ3 duels, and honestly the switch to 10 minute TL seems like a mistake. The much slower pace of VQ3 does not do well in 10 minutes.

10 tl you only have one chance to turn stuff around and you are forced to act very quickly, maybe it works maybe it dont... with 15tl there is more room for employing different tactics

this should be major and front page

I would use the screenshots as wallpaper in my room.

1. Start Quake Live in windowed mode.
2. Idle in menu; minimize.
3. ????
4. PROFIT!

I hope Bethesda never puts a leash or muzzle on him. Shit that comes out of his mouth sometimes is just too classless priceless.

They already probed his ass.

Beyond Parody.

We made this game for you guys ! A game which has nothing to do with your favourite game, plays like shit sounds like shit and has worse net code than a 20 years old game, with classes and other kind of bullshit, a game marketed as "team game" when the main focus is "duel" (which is completely fucked up of a game mode in qc), we made this 120Hz™ (sic) game for you so you could not run it smoothly even with high end gaming computers and get constant freezes and shits, this game where the time between launching the game and actually playing is 15 minutes thanks to our super awesome cutscene animation technologies and lightning fast loading times. So
STOP
PLAYING
QUAKE
LIVE !
WE MADE THIS FOR YOU !

QuakeLive = No Champions
Quake Champions = Champions

I wonder what the problem is?

Quake Live = No Champions
Overwatch = Champions
PUBG = No Champions
Quake Champions = Champions

The success or failure of QC has nothing to do with champions.
Making QC a Q3 with modern graphics would have changed absolutely nothing.

Kids today do not want to play arena shooters, period.

People here on ESR might want to open their eyes to this fact, instead of blaming id for everything.
Without having read everybody's posts here about QC, I'd be willing to wager the house, dog and wife that even if id had taken all you geniuses' advice, and implemented it perfectly (according to your wishes) into QC, QC would still be a miserable failure. Why?
Because kids today do not want to play arena shooters, period.

Sure, id could've chosen to cater exclusively to you miserable, old farts. But that would still only mean about 200 daily players in a game that took millions[?] to develop and promote.

So yeah, maybe not the best choice to suck dick on the ESR crowd either. You bunch give id so much shit, I'm amazed they haven't dropped the Quake franchise entirely, out of spite for you people.

I'll tell you where id went wrong re. QC:
They should have copied either Overwatch, CS:GO or PUBG 1:1, and not listen to a single word that you bitter, ego-centric, venom-spewing Quake players had to say.

Look what Epic have done? They have taken a massive dump in the faces of everyone that loved UT; ditched the development of UT4 (they haven't admitted to it publicly yet; but they will eventually admit it) and have moved the few devs working on UT4 over to Fortnite. Fortnite is currently having big success by copying PUBG 1:1.
Is it ethical? Not really. Does this please me and everyone that loved UT? No; it makes me sad.
But I can't change the fact that... kids today do not want to play arena shooters, period.


Wake up, ESR!! It's 2017. Its a different world, where kids today do not want to play arena shooters, period.

Dont Agree.

Arena Shooter is a stupid word that nobody ever said or had heard of 5 years ago. People play multiplayer games if the game is good which this game isnt. Thats the problem.

ID soft owns the code to all the IDtech engines. IDtech engine IS QUAKE. They could of simply taken the doom3 engine which already includes strafe jumping, custom maps, server browser and just increased its polygon count. Re-worked the gameplay with different characters and abilities. That would not have taken a large budget to achieve.

Then you would have a game with solid graphics, solid netcode, server browser, custom maps etc. Literally a team of 4 or 5 devs could have pulled that off.

Instead they give us this crap engine filled with bugs, this stupid matchmaking that dosent work, cant shuffle teams, wait all day on the menu screen and get sent back to it after and anybody wonders why people say this game is crap and dont play it.

"Arena shooter" is not the problem here. Total miss-execution of everything they touch is the problem.

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Same here :/

Quakers want to play Quake. Not some kind of strange Overwatch ripoff that is riddled with poor performance. Some people will complain about anything but the complaints about Quake Champions are valid. I don't care for Overwatch but at least it's well made. What is the point of making Quake like Overwatch? Are they just trying to coast on the success of another game? The concept of Overwatch isn't even new. Team Fortress did it decades ago. I'm not going to pretend to know what kids want to play but people who like Quake want to play Quake. I think unfortunately the franchise can't be saved. Diehard fans are fine playing previous titles. Playerbase is too nasty and game can be too hard to attract casual fans. I don't know. The latest Doom in comparison was a smashing success. Quake Champions unfortunately seems all over the place and the poor performance is a deal breaker for anyone.

The thing is, you think of this like some stock holder whos main concern is making money from this game, which means going big and becoming a mainstream title everyone plays. Sure go the china route and make h1/pubg #43923, maybe thats reliable $$.

But I only care about a game I can enjoy, I don't need the game to go mainstream with hundreds of thousands of players to have fun. If kids don't enjoy it thats actually kind of a bonus lol (like EVE online dead geme but average age is like 32+).


If they would make a pubg copy and called it quake champions, sure the masses would perhaps enjoy it but what the fuck do I or anyone who wanna play quake gain from that? :D


Everyone copying working models is perhaps great for the stock holders but it's AIDS for gamers.

thank you

not this retarded copypasta again...

i wonder how much denial does it take to ignore the fact that QC is miserable both technically and by design

hey you are very stupid because tim is litterally BEGGING us old farts to play his game now. Now that the hype weared off and people moved on he would like to have a stable committed playerbase.


we all knew from the start that young kids (13-17 year olds) dont want to play arena shooters, idk in where you all got the idea that QC could have a BIG playerbase? either they make a new quake for max 500 players or they waste their money for NOBODY.

i can understand they want a lot of player and they want their game to be a hit, but then why would you make it a quake game??
its like opening a restaurant calling it BEFFY STEAKHOUSE and then offering vegetarian food.

people at id software are a bunch of low iq monkeys.
the people in charge should fire all those mouthbreathers.

dont be mad for i only speaketh the truth, amen

This! They should have called qc something without quake in its name and it would be fine (still a bad game though).

Diabotical/Reflex is much more quakeish than QC ever will be! Those games would deserve quake in its names

Tbh I would enjoy some more begging videos from him.




Just to turn him down with class. )

Finally someone who gets it.

Overwatch is bleeding players, by each passing day tho. If Overwatch wasn't a Blizzard game it would be already dead, and Morhaime would be yelling "NANI!!!" through the halls of their seat.

I agree that arena shooters are out of the prime tho.

The main one? The engine. Champions come after that.

What worries me about QC is that it has inner design and business-side issues, that are not simple to fix. Without a project reboot it's going to be all meaningless updates, aimed to please the current maybe 1000 players and lower by the day.

That's an upper management decision. The id soft employees aren't at fault on this Quake.

For example, why would a hardcore QL player move to a new Quake, if the game runs awfully for everybody (especially when performance is of the essence in a F2P game), it takes him 10 mins to start playing (and another 10 after each map), gets twice more ping, visibility is non-existent, the game is just an incoherent mess of everything (gameplay and even stylistically. Who are you appealing to?), the offered gametypes belong in 1996 (nothing new to do. The idea of playing new games is to do new stuff), and on top of that the player already prefers the classic Q3 gameplay and the plethora of content.

Tim, if you read this Kappa, people uninstall a F2P game after three minutes of queueing. The game seems dead or badly done. In QC, it's already three minutes in the loading game phase and the plethora of intermissions after finding a match, and even after the match. Those alone leave a bad taste of mouth and matter way more than adding a new duel map, that will only be seen by the 200 remaining duelers. For reference, in PUBG it takes 2 mins of waiting for 30 mins of gameplay, while in QC it's 10 mins for each 10 mins (30 for 30). In QL, it used to be at most 1 min per map.

I have shown QC to many of my old school Quake friends, and nobody has liked it so far. Problem is though, they are not going to give it a second try if the only improvement is adding a map, rather than fixing the core issues. They'll continue in OW (10 times more polished) and PUBG (10 times more creative).

^this

it does not seem dead, it is dead;
http://steamcharts.com/cmp/611500,282440

idk how Tim looks at that graph and thinks the solution is to introduce instagib, rather than to actually do something major about it.

Or guess Saber's contract was really, really, really cheap, so that with those players they still make money.

Well, their work even before QC was really, really, really cheap, so I woudn't rule that out completely.

QC is the reverse BitCoin

hhh hhh hhh

I totally agree.

The time it takes from clicking on the QC icon on your desktop to actually playing QC takes waaaaaaaaaaay too long.

Comparing it to a game from 1999 (UT99), it takes me about 5 seconds before I'm playing.
QC takes just way too much time for the same. It has put me off lots of times. I end up booting up QL instead, which also is quite slow at doing the same thing that it takes UT99 to do in 5 seconds. Still a lot faster than QC, though.

This is one of main problems: 20 secs after launch ql you are already playing in a server, in qc you are still in the first loading screen, and it will take 1-2 mins more + 1 min warmup.
And the engine is a mess, compared to qc ql netcode is like playing on lan lol

Yeah and they are totaly ignoring this major problem.

Can anyone please check if that is the same for other games connecting to Bethesda? Maybe it's just a connection issue (on Bethesda side obviously).

Are you sure this is not Totalbiscuit.

I'm honestly curious what tiny tim does at id on a day to day basis.

Stop breathing, you donut monger.

how many donuts and cocaine does it take to change a light bulb?

ask tim?

swag

am i the only one here that enjoys playing qc?

yes, duel lacks depth, but i am still having fun playing it casually against friends. public tdm is better than it has ever been imho. i dont really play anything else but i have about 100h of playtime and im still enjoying it a lot. especially mastering the different movement mechanics.
once the hitbox issues are gone we will be able to get reliable hits and champs will have bigger stacks. its just going to get better. and when ranked matchmaking is introduced with a new duel format, i am only going to play more.
helps that the game now actually runs with at a stable 100fps for me on a 3year old pc and i can find matches in under 3 minutes. i understand that this is not the case for everybody

What is there to master when you hit the speedcap in two jumps?

Raging constantly while NOT destroying your peripherals.

Important asset.

Last DH matches with no Doom-fisting (duh) have actually been somewhat decent (including the finals).

Performance is much better, 144 FPS is a solid value ATM, but the client itself is still not functional enough to play it.

like it too

but the absence of progress in new features and solving old problems, together with the directions they take and having each patch being worse than the previous, throws you off

and is always the same for me. the first days of each patch, I am like strenx, "what is dis? look at dis". then I start getting used to all new shit that they have introduced (like removing lg) and play with what I have been given. when I reach a state where I have accepted it for what it is and start to enjoy, they release a new patch and the circle repeats

being enjoyable and being a valid replacement for QL are two quite different things.

key-phrase "casually against friends"
if you want a casual expirience to share with your friends, then there are much much better casual quality games out there.. if that is what you are after.

the people that dont like it simply expect quality and consistency.
after all this is NOT a JOB, this is where i spend some of my free time, so of its shit why should i waste my time here? when time is tje only luxury :)

Let's play a little game: can someone name a person from the Quake circles that would induce more of an opposite reaction when telling people to stop playing QL than Tim Willits?

I got no one.

arqon

No, sorry.

Heh, brilliant man though in terms of coding and engine stuff,

What a fucking moron. So out of touch it's unfathomable.

I think I have to agree with Nukm. The game is making progress from a technical standpoint and if given time it will likely turn out good. Sure there are a lot of features missing like more maps, modes and so on, mainly a good team mode which would cater to both beginners and seasoned players. The biggest reason I don't play the game is visibility, I know the Quake colour palette has always been brownish but atleast we've had team colours and bright skins to differentiate enemies from teammates and backgrounds. At the start of the project we, the so called old/seasoned players were promised many things, classical mode, ctf and so on... This never happend and I think a lot of ppl here felt a bit betrayed. Tim is not the ideal spokes person for a new Quake, most of the times he comes of as a blabbering salesman, speaking of things he doesn't fully comprehend. He could very well be a good project manager but he shouldn't promote games.

esr community is more toxic than playing toxi with toxjq

We can't be all ponies and rainbows while dealing with clowns like Timmy.

Fuck you, Tim and your hero shooter too.

It's not Quake right now, It's just a joke with abillities and rounds, and intensive chaotic shit(Sacrifice). Completely feels like non Quake game or some very soft(like an crap) version of Quake. Whatever. Fuck it.

lol, i wonder how many people get toxic after seeing what i did.

You'd be surprised that no one really gives a fuck what you do with your games.

We have a free will an all that good stuff.

;-)

that's plenty rich for someone coming from africa.

What has coming from Africa got to do with anything? Where have you lived? 1 town your whole life? Probably.

Mentioning free will while being a rich white privileged cis male in africa. Plenty rich.

Yes, I've lived in only one town, but traveled whole continent without the need to oppress and exploit black people In order to fund my lifestyle.

Are you actually reading what you're writing?

Rich white male in Africa? Clearly someone with no outside knowledge of the world really works.

I wasn't rich whilst living Africa, even though my family are from the UK originally. I've probably got more black friends than most people on this forum.

I guess you live your life by judging people by their ethnicity and background, well done for making yourself look like a complete cunt.

How can you get baited so easily.

Na, just gotta set the record straight, plus I'm just killing a bit of time replying to trolls.

Keep telling that to yourself, massah. Also, "I have many <insert-ethnicity/race/whatever-here> friends" is the typical comeback of all racists.

Right.

massah <3

buhahahaaha

oh and [+]'s cause internet validation right?

You defended yourself well there. At the beginning I thought: 'sigh he's taking the bait what a retard' but after reading next responses I must admit you played it out perfectly.

Yeah cause saying people who don't need to point out they have friends of different race are the ones who judge people based on ethnicity is a good defense. Esdf might be a troll and a baiter but he's absolutely got a poinf.

His little statement pretty much painted me like some white supremacist because apparently I'm an entitled white male who used to oppress and exploit black people because I come from Africa.

Another interesting topic for discussion that would probably deserve a whole thread and/or website.

Why aren't white people allowed to say proud to be white? Is it because of all the serious racism from back in the golden years?

Why are other colour groups allowed to be proud and we aren't?

Societal conditioning? Media propaganda? Food for thought there mates.

His statement painted you that way but your reply painted you like any of the oblivious racists who think diversity is equality.

Yeah apparently when you mention anything to do with race you're a racist. Diversity/Equality somewhat semantics if you look at it from that point of view. esdf just pretty much spewed a bunch of dumb shit which had no correlation to what I originally said. Oh well.

Maybe because you did nothing to achieve it and trying to piggyback on success of other people. Sounds quite unimpressive to me, like being proud of having rich parents. Notice the difference between being proud of someone and being proud to be someone.

Wait what? lol.

:DDDDDDDDD

so it turned out you are the nazi goat Übermensch and not dre!

Not surprised!










:DDD

just kidding. it is all right Stephen! <3

Nietzsche's Philosophy was rather one-sided imho, not a fan.

okay white devil it is fine, it is fine

ahh, white devil, reminds of a Ace Ventura when nature calls.

one of the best movies ever made man, i mean devil

Explainened why someone being "proud to be white" doesn't make a good impression on me in reply to your post. There is nothing special to be proud of and boasting about it sounds lame to me.

So basically what you're trying to say is that you're one of the many special snow flakes in society that don't like certain words or phrases because you inherently feel offended?

So if someone is proud to be X race or proud to be X gender then they're lame, so with that same thought pattern you're no better than the average person who feels proud about anything really.

I mean correct me if I'm wrong, I don't know you per se, I'm just pre-judging you like 99% of people are doing today based off of things written etc.

I didn't say I'm offended, just unimpressed and put off by such statements. I've been raised to judge people by their actions and accomplishments rather than their background or appearance and I agree with that.

Then I can agree with you on that too, like many have said in the past that you can't judge a book by it's cover.

Fortunately or unfortunately really, the world doesn't really work like that, I can be dressed like a hobo and be a millionaire and people would look at me as if I'm the scum of society without being slightly inclined to hear the story behind it.

However, I can look all professional as if I've "Got my shit together." Yet people would pass you by without also wanting to know you, so we've all go a story of some sorts to tell, it's that people don't take the time to listen and get to know anyone anymore.

Then again, words written are completely different to words written followed by action.

Accidental plus

Here, have your plusses back you progamer you.

I have no black friends so you're less racist from the get-go.

Friends are friends regardless of race/creed though.

Except if they're on ESR that is.

if friends are friends regardless of race/creed then why did you make the following statement: "I've probably got more black friends than most people on this forum."?

Because you were implying some racist bullshit to begin with that had absolutely nothing to do with any of my posts.

Hell, I could probably give you a whole consensus of all the different types of races/creeds of friends that I do have, however then I'd be a MASSIVE RACIST PRICK or whatever else you'd like to label me as.

It seems as if you like to label people randomly though, which is okay, we all have different ways of approaching certain scenarios, so if it works for you, awesome.

You already are a massive racist prick. Why is that so difficult to admit?

Just look at how you got worked up over a simple statement. Fighting tooth & nail to convince everyone that your house niggaz are percieved as "having more black friends than anyone on your forum".

Yeah because you know me right?

Talk about the pot calling kettle black.

Na, there's a difference between getting worked up and defending yourself when the accuser is just being a little child when they clearly admitted in the first place that they have no idea what has happened outside of their own little town, but because white people live in Africa, they're racist haha. Man, that is the funniest shit I've actually come across in my life.

You need to get a clue about what's happening in the world by actually going out and experiencing it, instead of sitting on the internet, developing some soft shit ideology about people and the world in general.

Maybe you get off by starting arguments or poor attempts at trolling others, I dunno. Whatever floats your boat. I won't judge you on your kinks mate.

How is this pot and kettle scenario? I'm not the one full blown bragging about many friends of different ethnicities, races or what not just to seem like less of a racist.

And as I've already said, I've spent plenty of time outside of my country so don't you worry about me, massah.

Lmao, if you can't even re-read your initial response to me when you started this whole bullshit race thing, then you better start cleaning your kettle and pot brother.

You're just a typical shitposter looking for a rise. Like I said, I totally understand if it floats your boat, each to their own.


I've spent plenty of time outside of my country/countries, so don't worry about me too, massah.

how do i get that font and ui for steam?

http://www.metroforsteam.com/ this is the theme i use

If you are not trolling hard, all I feel is pity.

I just want to add more toxicity in this post.

You are doing it wrong.

"we made this game for you!" (C) Tim
What a joke... you made this game for casualtys but not for quake players!
You added everything we dont want (champions, new duel system, sacrifize) and removed things which were approved over the time (custom maps, mods, gtv and and and).

So we can play a good game (ql) or a bad game (qc)... a very hard choice.

Casualtys a.k.a dead people a.k.a. people that don't play Quake. You're spot-on in that regard.

This makes me wanna play QL even more.
I miss the good old times where we had mods and custom maps...
I feel old...

You look like you come from Haiti. Ima call you crispy baby.

hilarious :D

Can you front page it? )

I don't think there is enough content or presentation for value, and it's obviously been a while. Maybe there can be a writeup with quotes from the entire session, or someone can write a column about futility of asking people to not to play one of your games because you have another, and apparently that game isn't doing too great so you need people to switch.

Or just frontpage it anyway. There's nothing announced for the next 9 months (Quakecon).

or someone could try harder!

So you're not up for the lolz, huh.

blyat i spek nehya english, m8

Watch out, you're gonna get called a white supremacist and all of that other white privilege stuff.

They're not racist over in Russia, just homophobic. :p

Everyone is racist.

Not everyone. Only white people can be racist.

Yeah, I completely forgot only white people can be racist. Damn.

I mean.... really? Why would he say that xD He will just tilt the Ql scene and probably lose some more players. we shall see tho. I hope both of these two games get to keep a healthy playerbase. Cheers.

Besides ill will towards Tim, what would it take for you guys to start playing QC? I know there was a thread about this earlier however it could be a good idea going through it all again.

The over saturated bloom and non visible enemies is a deal breaker for me. Also I want ctf. My son likes QC better than QL because of the champs, he's only 9 though, and like his father he's no star at quake :) I like to be able to play Quake with him in a fashion we both can enjoy. I want QC to succeed. I want for Quake to survive in a new iteration for future generations.

Better performance, classic mode, maybe forcemodel. That would be a start.

Duel is a lost cause. Only thing i could see myself enjoying more than ql is clan arena. And better netcode.

Major overhaul of everything.... just a few bullet points in no specific order:

- Loading screens / Waiting Queues

- Visibility options / video settings that actualy do something?

- Server settings not saved / Match prefferences not saved.

- Most of the time crappy registration of events.. for example rockets already long hit / 1 second later death. Missed rails / no rocket registration / rubber banding etc..

- Things like rankings

- Match features for clans / pauze / timeout

- 2on2 TDM

- CTF

- Weapon center options without needing to buy or get them in loot boxes

- Servers on strategic locations?

- Normal champions that don't have shitty 1 punch powers / crappy animations

- Duel in any other format but this.

- Matching.. / Team balancing features for public TDM (or CTF if they implement that)

- Updates? currently it looks like this game is developed by a single guy in his 'downtime' between projects after work.

- Not random map picks / or match filter options.. I don't want to play the f-ing maps like lockbox or church... just let me pick or vote for every map.

- Lots more but this is only a 'fast' list.

reflex has basically all of this and they dont have player either

Yes but that's obviously because they have no vq3 physics.

And totally uninspired atmosphere.

who tf plays quake for the atmosphere

It IS an important part of it.

The visuals, the SOUNDS.

yes. I tried to enjoy reflex fragvids but they are blanco
CPMA was the lost orphan of quake and they wanted to build a community on it.

People really underestimate how good q3s sound is. It is perfect. Everything is punchy and brutal, whereas QC sound feels distant and disconnected

A new engine and a console would be the basic negotiating point. We can start from there.

i dont think theres anything they can do to make me play this game

really smooth graphics with picmip so I can see where i'm fighting and force enemy model and remove abilities because they are gay af

Quake Live?

Remove all annoying things, give me some good gametypes and I will gladly play QC.

Annoying things include poor visibility, poor sound, poor netcode (I still don't believe that rocket lag is fixed, there were a lot of weird easiest rockets at DH that impossibly missed), poor animations, annoying effects like direct rocket hit or weapon bob, poor GUI, probably something else...

Good gametypes depend on players preference, for me it's TDM and (sorry pro gamers) CA.

It's just that simple. Let me have pleasure from this game. How can I play this game if half of it is deliberately designed to piss me off?

In order of importance:
+ visibility
- queue times
+ some kind of halfway satisfying team mode. Hero mode TDM with randoms is ultra boring and I have no idea if sacrifice is any good because no one plays it. Give me CTF or (sigh) CA.
+ tolerable duel mode, I don't think I will ever enjoy this round shit. It's the same problem as the queues and 5000 loading screens, everything about this game interrupts 'flow' state.
+ performance. Unbelievable how mediocre this game runs w all low settings on my 6 month old rx480 build. I can't get any friends into the game because it doesn't run well enough to even try.
+ players

A good duel mode and I'd be in 100%

Dont care about any of the other problems. The iffy duel mode/core gameplay (stack caps, map control etc etc) is why I barely play and barely watch twitch streams anymore

Fix that and I'm in

- No ones playing sacrifice because its boring and straight up a terrible mode. And most ppl dont play duel.
- QC FFA and TDM gets boring + shitty games

So if players are meant to switch over from QL to QC - what exactly are they supposed to play?

Public QL CTF is still highly popular. Full servers and all in the evenings. QC should've had CTF from the start. /uninstall sacrifice

this

Perfect thread and enjoyable responses, just how I want them to be and expected it to be eventually, but what absolutely entertains me is how the lot of the people posting here and were defending QC at the beginning of beta are brutally trashing it now without any remorse or faith the game will develop to something proper.

You guys shouldve listened to the people who said it was doomed from the beginning and pointless to get your hopes up. No, you kept being naive and went on to waste your precious time to that atrocity and told the critics that they be pessimists and toxic naysayers. Now 10 months later you've become the thing you've rediculed not so long ago.

Now u mad and as usually, ESR is here to safe the day by providing you a platform to spew your frustration on. How typical and not ironic.

It's not a waste of time to try new games, or try anything really. The future is still a result of all the variables, and hopeless pessimists never achieve anything.

and hopeless pessimists never achieve anything.

And yet I'm enjoying this thread to death though?

+ you're a head admin on a place like this. Stop coping

Yeah, you're enjoying yourself. You might even enjoy a game and a genre not succeeding. That's great for you, great for all masochists. I would enjoy constructive criticisms culminating in success, and there are others like that, and this site is for those who enjoy fun, spectacular games and competitions. Don't assume or enjoy the notion there are more hopeless pessimists here than somewhere else, they are, in fact, everywhere. But things and places exist because they are built by optimists who take risks for everyone else, even those who would relish in their failure.

he's not a masochist because he enjoys seeing the people that he believes are ruining something he cares for not profiting from their actions. jesus. you can want things to succeed and still also have an opinion that bad people are ruining something good, and want that venture to fail. you don't have to have some blind optimism or naive positive hope.

if somebody marries your daughter and treats her like garbage, are you going to sit there while people criticize her husband and tell them when they enjoy watching him suffer because of his bad decisions that they're all masochists and should be hoping for the best? hoping that the relationship works out?

give me a break with that bullshit.

because

and you just completely made up why, good work. oh yeah, i totally enjoy people being raped and robbed. amazing non-bullshit reply, thanks.

you've completely made up that he's a masochist. your reply to me is a perfect reply to your initial post.

No, it's not. I'm speaking out against a sentiment, nothing about my reply is vague, or bullshit. It is a clarifying point of intent, but the replies that are proof my reading of the sentiment is much more accurate than your elaborate soap opera.

No, it's not. I'm speaking out against a sentiment, nothing about my reply is vague, or bullshit. It is a clarifying point of intent, but the replies that are proof my reading of the sentiment is much more accurate than your elaborate soap opera.

i don't know what you're saying or talking about. what does 'clarifying a point of intent' mean? what does 'reading of the sentiment' mean? where have i provided any 'elaborate soap opera'? how is you calling this person a 'masochist' not a fabrication? how is you basing your understanding of this person's 'joy' on his 'masochism' not an extension of your fabrication? what does 'masochism' have to do with alborz's response? how do you know that i don't know alborz, and don't already understand the motivations for his feelings toward the game?

Yeah, you're enjoying yourself. You might even enjoy a game and a genre not succeeding. That's great for you, great for all masochists.

I am enjoying myself because I felt this coming for months but people were too much in denial, blinded by their hype which resulted in false hope and expectations of this game becoming a succes. I knew from the beginning when the NDA was still up that the game was doomed to fail, but people kept calling us negative and that we cling too much to the past and didn't want change and so forth, now the exact same people who are suddenly disillusioned are confirming everything me and some people were talking about. This enjoys me, not the fact that a Quake sequel has failed. I absolutely love Quake and it remains my main game.

On the contrary even, it saddens me that a Quake game is neglected in this manner. I was waiting for it since it was announced but as soon as I played it the first few hours I knew they made some critical errors which could not be reverted/changed for the game to take a step in the right direction in time. Thus I proceeded to tell people what's up but we got rediculed and even got censored.

Judging by the posts I've seen around this place the last couple of months I can conclude that 90% of the people who kept giving it a chance hated the game. I've seen countless posts of people saying they weren't happy about x y and z and let those equations just be the things that are fundemental to a Quake games' succes (Visibility, netcode, engine, sound, matchmaking, loading time). The people that kept playing weren't dumb and secretly they knew it had no point to keep playing, but they did anyway just for the sake of the franchise or tournament money.

I on the other hand knew the history of development and the current state of idsoftware (just look @ how they handled QL) and judging from the first couple of weeks, I was confident that letting this game go was the best choice to make.

So to TL;DR this:

The people who kept playing are the masochists. They continued playing something they hate, while getting dissapointment after dissapointment. Finally a lot of them realized that it's pointless and are echoing the stuff me and others were stating months ago. This entertains me, and I'm sure as hell it entertains you too, since you moderate this place. No need to assume I'm enjoying Quake's failure, I'm just enjoying the irony of how things developed as I expected them to and the vain thought that I wasn't wrong.

One thing to keep in mind is that it's not like QC is killed yet, an investment like that can't and should not be tanked too fast.

Perhaps it is a good time to write posts about x y z, and track progress.

The future is still a result of all the variables

Yeah, and anybody who had an even rough idea of the variables, meaning the reality of what determines game success in 2017, as well as id software's decision making and treatment of the quake franchise in the last few years should have come to a conclusion which predicted things to turn out roughly the way they did actually turn out, assuming a cold, uninvolved but ultimately rational mindset. Virtually most of the high-level management issues plaguing Quake Champions are and have been the standard modus operandi of id software in recent times, and there is not and has never been any indication that any of it would or will ever change.

Formulated differently, you had to literally deny history/reality to arrive at anything but what you would probably call the "pessimist vision", which is of course the one that turned out to be true, because it was actually grounded in the real world, did not ignore past experiences and did not expect the people responsible at id software
1. to suddenly become Quake aficionados as well as masters of game design and project management
2. to create a vision of what Quake is, what makes it essential and how to bring this franchise into the 21st century, and
3. to then successfully implement that vision.
No, the "pessimist" vision was to expect them to develop a game that would probably be heavily inspired by Q3, might have a few interesting and nice aspects or gimmicks, but would ultimately be mediocre and mismanaged (or rather mediocre because mismanaged). The precise nature of the mediocreness (have the game be made by literal Halo developers, ending up basically a decently looking but technically shitty Q3 incorporating some fads of contemporary casual shooters, sprinkled with throwbacks to earlier titles which 90% of the modern audience have never played or heard of) and mismanagement (making decisions which indicate they have no clue whether this is supposed to be a casual or competitive game, but organizing big competitive tournaments anyway even though there's zero indication this makes the game any more successful) could not have been called beforehand, but their magnitude and general characteristics are roughly in the ballpark of what the community is or should be used to by now from id software.

This is not to bash on the people who actually hoped this would turn out a successful game. I see where they are coming from, because there's probably no group of people in the world (including anybody at id software) that wanted to see this succeed more than the playerbase of the old titles (QL included), the people who have played the entries in the franchise continuously for literal decades now because they love the game and despite the treatment by id software. What I argue is that fundamentally, this optimism was deeply irrational and probably grew out of the love for the game and a subsequent glorification of id, making them bigger than they really are.

What you're talking about is really 'realism', and I can go into detailed arguments on what the probability might be, but overall, there are just too many variables in a big project like this, and too many opportunities for successful execution and niche success. It is entirely important to not define success as some sort of mass popularity or x10 returns on investment. Anyway, you are oversimplifying and strawman-ing here with some predictions that you in particular can be certain about. Sure, no one can argue with you about your vision of success and how to get there.

Ignoring all that, even if rationally, it is obvious a project is doomed, and I was in the 50/50 camp, there are different courses of action and attitude.

My point is that those who take risks and try should get some credit for trying. Even if they fail. Those who tear a project down, even before avenues for corrections and improvements can even be evaluated, are assholes.

What r you talking about. Everyone waited for this game. I remember the first comments.

It is entirely important to not define success as some sort of mass popularity or x10 returns on investment.

tell that to tim. He will be most receptive.

My point is that those who take risks and try should get some credit for trying. Even if they fail. Those who tear a project down, even before avenues for corrections and improvements can even be evaluated, are assholes.

they should get a credit.. The credit of criticism. Thats why if you don't try to reach for better, you are a loser in dre's mind. I really understand what you are trying to say here but man. This is not it. We can go point by point but the reality of the situation that a big chunk of people argued that for various reasons this isn't gona go nowhere and they were right. You don't seem to realize that me and everyone here that criticized the game for the sole reason that we care passionately. When I got second best grades in school my mother always said that thats not enough why are you not the best dre. Dre you dont learn enough you watch porn on pc. She criticized me because she wanted and expected the best from me. I never said to her mum you are a hater. You see?

Yeah I see. I also don't see your mom call you a pathetic loser with a satisfied smile when you fail a test.

so id software is the same as our moms?
or we are the mom of id software?
Thats deep man

no, we are the moms

thats a beatiful idea,esr and quake players as moms. I wonder why it seemingly causes problems.

The world is not ready as of now.

when all the heat is gone from the universe, when there is no more thermodynamic energy left, the state of the world may cease to be unready for us being moms.

That's deep. Almost 'Tim Willits makes game mechanics analysis' deep, yet not quiet.

In all seriousness though ESR have all the right to be upset. Hell, I've gotten myself a new 144/1440/FS display on par with some nice GPU not specifically for Willits' new playground but still hoping to play in the forthcoming months. Yet I can't.

Oh, the FPS issue has actually been fixed (somewhat). It's just that you can't configure crosshair properly, for one, and thus can't see it neatly in 1440p (even worse when you try extrapolating from 1080p). And that's just one of the issues.

I mean, we could configure and tune - not even mentioning the netcode - all of the basic needs in Q3. The vanilla Q3.

suddenly it became clear why are you upset when people say nasty stuff about id.
They are hurting mom

where do you see me being upset about nasty stuff being said about [id]? i'm not upset, nor did I say anything about id. i simply called certain attitude self-defeating and contrary to my interests, as a gamer and as a spectator, and to everyone like me in that regard.

In fact, I've been saying this every time a new game is released and is being developed, as I've seen this shit turn game after game away from ESReality. It's not like calling assholes assholes does anything, but it's a tiny bit cathartic.

nowhere you obviously dont care
we mums keep it together

Realism is called for under these circumstances because id software has a well-established reputation for screwing up new multiplayer titles. Quake Champions is simply the past repeating itself.

It's not a waste of time to try new games, or try anything really

Spoken like a tattoo on an 18 year old.

Give it a rest with your feel good bullshit and your black and white thinking.

Spoken like a tattoo on a 18 year old goth.

What's bullshit about it? Give a rest with your feel bad bullshit and black and white thinking.

Demiurge, it's pointless trying to have a debate about any topic here because if it doesn't sit well with their realistic standards about how success is measured, which is incredibly subjective as well, you'd be better off talking to a brick wall mate.

I have trouble coming up with ideas of what success would be which seem appropriate and were actually fulfilled in this game. Let's do a brainstorming, and think about some possible candidates of criteria for success, whether they seem appropriate (purely my opinions here) and whether they have any relevance for the project's current state [see comments in brackets]. This is basically a rundown of "well if the game doesn't have desirable property X, is it at least Y?".
Is it fair to call the QC project successful if?
* it has, let's say, a 5-digit number of players at its daily peak, i.e. >10000, which is what I consider to be the minimum value for a healthy playerbase (or 60% of that, or whatever)? That would be around 20% more than Counterstrike Source has, a game which came out in November 2004, and about a third of SC2, a game from 2010. Considering how Quake is one of the most influential and important FPS franchises of all time, this would seem apt for a new entry. I think that having people who actually play the game is kinda important for a multiplayer title, but Demiurge and you seem to think otherwise, so let's accommodate and say this does not matter for success. [Ofc, this criteria is quite blatantly not fulfilled, and probably never will be.]
* it is a good game that emphasizes on the qualities of the old titles and is liked by the people who like these kind of games? Again, this would seem kind of important to me, especially if the game's basically dead. Hey, we have to arrange games via IRC just like we have to for all the other Arena FPSs, but at least it is a fine title able to hold up a candle to the other games in the franchise and subgenre, and definitely better than QL regarding the things we care about, right? [I would put a big fucking question mark behind the statement that QC is as good an AFPS as let's say QL or Reflex or Warsow, and that's being generous. I can't make a definitive statement whether the community at large actually likes it.]
* it is clearly a product of creativity, passion and hard work, made by people who love Quake? Like, if it's dead on arrival, isn't liked by the people who like AFPSs, well, do at least the people who actually made it give a fuck about their work and tried to make a really good fucking game? Frankly, for a game that has a healthy population and is loved by its players, I don't think this is a particularly important criteria. [Ye, I'm sure the Halo Developers at saber really have a passion for Quake gameplay in the way we do, lol. Regarding id, Willits/Syncerror probably can't do b2r because they can't be arsed to play enough of the game to learn it.]
* it is profitable? Ultimately, id software is of course an enterprise and as such its objective is to generate income by producing goods/services and exchanging them against currency on a market. Purely from the player perspective, I don't think this is important, or only to the extent that it ensures the continuing survival of the game. For id software and Bethesda, profitability is of course paramount. [This is one of the conditions where we legitimately cannot know whether it will be fulfilled at some point in the future. What seems pretty clear to me though is that the income so far has in no way covered the expenses. (According to steamspy.com, the game has over 200'000 owners. Most of them probably signed up back in the free beta and did thus not generate any income. I estimate expenses so far to be somewhere between 4-10M$, though I really have no clue)]
* it provided a valuable experience and taught important lessons to the people behind it? If it failed in the other criteria so far, I would hesitate to still call the game a success if just this was true, but at least maybe it would give hope that something better may come eventually. [This is where we have to take id's history, particularly with QL, into account. FWIW, they don't seem to learn from their mistakes (or their successes).]
* the project offered a platform for high-quality competitive play by professionals, with action-packed well-executed tournament events for the Quake fanbase to watch, featuring all the pros we know and love? I quite frankly don't see why that would matter all that much, and therefore having a one-million-dollar tournament does not shift my perception of QC into that of a great successful project. [Hey, this one is actually more or less true. Compared with the rest of the game, the tournaments so far have been pretty decent (with a small question mark behind "high-quality gameplay"). Of course this phenomenon will stop the instant that bethesda/id decides to not provide major prizepools anymore, because that's simply what happens once you stop an artificial unprofitable moneyflux into a dead and bad game nobody, not even the pros, likes to play.]
* the project was managed decently enough that the people behind it can still derive income from their waged labour at id software? I... frankly don't care, but for Tim and Sync and whoever else involved this is of course paramount. They don't want to get fired. [I doubt there will be any meaningful consequences for basically producing a game that has a lower playerbase in beta as its predecessor has 8 years after release. So for all that they care, success!]

I'm getting tired of this, but I think you get the general gist, which is that you have to have a pretty weird and far-reaching idea of success to consider QC to be one. But feel free to explain how your subjective idea of "a successful project" looks like, and whether QC qualifies.

TL;DR If you like tournaments, Tim Willits and don't care about anything else, this game has been a massive success so far.

Your criteria are well-postulated and described.

I would rather add a single one:

*is the game an improvement or at the very least on par with the previously attained levels of being 'tech' enough? Customization of player-oriented options, competetive visual features, netcode polishing, proper design of shooting mechanics, optimization and all that concludes here. This asessment is very important for Quake is a focal point of games where visual, sound, input & control aspects are competetively tuned first.

I considered this to be part of the second point, "is it a good game and Arena FPS?". Though I guess technically the game could be good while not having any of these things (see for example PUBG, which is a good game even though it's probably lacking massively in all of these things).

All of the things you mention should of course have been of uttermost importance during development, especially for a game that claims to be about competition, espurts and gets developer-sponsored one million dollar tournaments. Yet these aspects are massively neglected. Id is marketing the game like it's Reflex*, but at the very core they are making a casual shooter through and through.

* which, as a pure side remark, ironically might have seen significantly more success (i.e. players) if it came up with and implemented a vision to make AFPS fun for the 2017 casual player instead of re-implementing one of the most hardcore titles in the subgenre. Though I know they simply made the game they wanted to make, and mostly succeeded in that. Let's see what diabotical will bring.

It's quite interesting, come to think of it. Q4 was the last title with multiplayer id could've developed themselves on a large scale (QL most likely hasn't been considered as a huge project since the very beginning) yet they layed it off to Raven. QL has never really been given the attention it needed. DooM was an excellent reboot for SP part but the multiplayer has been layed off as well. QC has been completely left for the contractor to dig in.

There's an obvious trend here yet they do indeed try to ship QC as the successor to 'Quake legacy'.

Why hadn't you try to bring your legacy back when it was 12 years earlier?

Nice retort, shame I was never advocating pessimism as a panacea, else it would have been spot on.

Nice retort, shame I was never advocating optimish as a panacea, else it would have been spot on.

I know what this is: schadenfreude!!

thanks gienon

100% agreed Alborz, /thread

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Amazing

Although the whole concept of QC is terribad and dated it would be a really easy fix to make it a proper game and get player numbers to 5 or even 6 figures, ... but id will never do it because they are stupid and clueless.

With what they had they at first could have taken QL, implement matchmaking, make some marketing to get fresh blood in and test if the audience stays to find out if people these days like something like Quake. Identifying the early adopter these days. Then they could have crafted a new team mode with champions, something modern objective based, to bring Quake into the new century. They could have used the community to test and improve this thing, holding regular sunday cups with money involved, growing the scene. And if that all was there and working, create a new Quake game. Not using Saber.

Instead they kept people playing QL by releasing minimal updates. Tested dumped down game elements which were hated. Finally releasing a whole new Quake basing it on a dumped down fun mod with Champions thinking this will make Quake great again. The game lacking fundamentals in every aspect. Spending 1 million dollars in one tourney.

Thinking too big. Wanting everything in an instant.

good post

They spent 1 million dollars on one tourney barely anyone even heard of. If they used that money to organize weekly QL tournaments instead, 1 million would be enough to make a 20 000$ tournament every week FOR A YEAR.

That would be a pretty fucking big motivation for people to start playing QL.

So what did we learn from this thread?

1) sTPHN is a full blown racist who's trying to sell his many house niggaz as "having more black friends than anyone else on this forum".
2) Tim Willits needs our 600 players left in QL to make QC a success.

Willits sit down.
Listen we know that ESR have got you by the balls but listen.
We need 1000 concurrent palyers before 2018 or we'll pull the plug on the release..


Yes sir I'm working on it, there's still some stubborn fucks that still plays quake live, and we made QC for them so they will come!

Still golf for next weekend?

Still on my dick?

It's okay though, I don't swing that way. I'm flattered though.

Looking at the numbers, wouldn't it be less of a hassle if the remaining QC players just moved over to QL?
Mr. Willits, you can come too, the more the merrier!

If they fire this guy, Sync, and Sponge, then they might be able to make a decent game.

TBH I think that's not enough to fix QC. I think the problem goes way deeper than those names in particular, being Zenimax making bad decisions regarding id software and the Quake franchise.

Regarding id software, whether you like them personally or not, lets not forget those three names are only in those positions because they are the replacements of the previous guys that were in charge and who had left the company. Tim and the rest didn't get there by being promoted, but by filling suddenly open spots. A company that's bleeding top employees shows there's ingrained issues; deeper than whoever is in charge at one point in time.

To tell the whole story we already know, Willits is in charge because Carmack and Hollenshead left, Sync and Sponge have their jobs because Steve Nix left (director of Quake Live when it actually had players back in 2010 and 2011).

And then, Zenimax decided to fill those spots with people that have zero experience whatsoever on those jobs. That also shows there's something wrong with upper management. Tim, Sync and Sponge have zero experience on what they are doing right now -- and somehow are all unsupervised. No wonder they are not great at it.

Who is the one at fault, the persons doing a job they are unqualified for -as replacement for guys that suddenly left for some reason-, or the guy that put them in that job in first place? I think it's mostly the latter, and so to fix the problem both have to be taken care of. Only firing a guy or two is not going to be fruitful, if the company is going to repeat the mistake by once again designating unqualified people.

Regarding the Quake franchise, I don't think Tim+Sync are the ones that came up with the idea of making Quake Champions right now. QC was supposed to be a QL gametype, that was rushed to be an independent game. I think it was Zenimax itself, that saw the Russian ruble was heavily depreciating and just hired a Russian company (Saber Interactive) that was very cheap at the time. They didn't care Saber had a horrible reputation as a developer.

And when you think about it, the main problems with QC are the technical issues (so Saber) and the design not being polished and not very much thought about (shows it was rushed).


So after all that wall of text and to stay on-topic, why do you think Tim changed his mind from "continue playing QL if you want" (some months ago) to now "stop playing QL"?. To me the answer is obvious: Tim must know Zenimax's reaction to the horrible new Quake results is going to be his head, despite him not being really responsible of the actual problems of the game. Tim&Co. are only responsible of relatively small decisions like hiring Zero4 and Mak (who have absolutely zero experience on their jobs at id software and do very little to improve the game or the casting of events -- they are just a waste of money), but not of the big decisions like hiring Saber.

Problem for us though, getting rid of Tim&Co. is not enough to fix QC, because QC needs a complete rework both as a game and especially as a project. FPS and visibility are not going to improve as long as Saber is in charge, and the game's blandness/nothingness other than being some random shooter is something that can only be improved upon by remaking most of the assets.

Quake's faith really is in Zenimax's hands rather than Tim's. I mean, Tim could maybe be out tomorrow.... but what if Zenimax replaces him with Syncerror? Or what if they actually pick a good replacement, but Saber is still in charge of the technical side?


edit: To answer a question nobody has asked but to make a more coherent post, I think something radical is going to happen both with id software (like Tim possibly leaving, as posted) and also with QC itself. QC has tanked way too much for the amount spent. For example, I was thinking id could just shut down QL as a desperate measure to force people to play QC, or change the QC business model to not lock champions and be actually F2P (what Lawbreakers should have done long ago)..

Can you remember, it's not first outsourced Quake game. Maybe publishers must give more attention about quality of games named Quake? Looks like it's never happens.

Cool back to Quake 3 then

Are their actually any OSP/CPMA servers still around?

http://www.esreality.com/post/2817537/cpm-discord-server/

Hell yeah, enough cpma servers for everyone, and a new version of CPMA on the way!

u fokken w0t mate?

That's awesome, I think I need to reinstall.

ugh, torn apart between CPMA and Enemy Territory now lol.

Why not both?

Because we all know ET > CPMA

For teamgames, definitely. For duel? Not so much :P

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle

The Peter Principle at work people. Timothy has reached peak incompetence.

They should rename this game to Saber Champions. Not remotely worthy of the Quake name in it's current shape

That's what you get when Bugthesda developing games.

What about this new update guys?

new update going to bring Server Browser? Custom maps? User hosted servers? No?, then game is still bad.

yes, but no

that stare from Adam Pyle fits QC's current status quite well

It's what happens when you let someone, you hired to write forum posts, design your new game. They freeze like a deer in the headlights.

adam pyle has seen some shit mane
he has witnessed the cocaine and donuts massacre of 2017

Like we all did.

Tim Willits is talking it about Quake Champions.

http://coub.com/view/10ouze

this deserves 99% plus

this deserves 99% plus

?

?

Think he’s implying Rapha streaming makes people play or smth

I think a good portion of those viewers are from OverBang though because in all honesty and it's probably just me but Quake Champions just doesn't seem like a very fun game to watch on stream, unless the commentary is either really in depth, which I know Rapha does often, or if it's funny etc.

You can't expect rapha to invent and immediately apply new game mechanics mid-match. His given name is not Tim.

lol

There's more "play" on chaturbate than watching someone play Quake Champions, even Damian Green knew that.

People are just trying the patch.

pay me

I'll pay you 5 timcoins and a picture of john carmack! What am i paying you for?

TO STILL PLAY QL!

tim "the timwits" willits

hey its w33d , i really need to do something about this quake champions , lets try ddos some shittttt

You have taken the lead

Ql comeback is real tho :D

The equivalent of a defibrillator shock.

it worked. qc gained 11 more players.

or was that the cpma crowd that finally moved over from #cpmpickup? :D

That .5 is Peter Dinklage getting tired of Destiny.

I bought the quake pack for 7 euro, checking cpma now :-), my gÒd its fluid and sharp.

http://discord.me/CPMA
(iirc)

Pack it up boys, QC is the (9th) best optimized PC game of 2017.

https://www.reddit.com/r/QuakeChampions/comme...qc_is_9th/

lafuckingmao what?

ahahahahahahahhahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahhaha

I swear I could hear you in Manchester laughing like that.

stahp