Hilarious.

cooller

thresh

paco

respect

rat

purri out of those five

In terms of good level at all quakes, probably fox?

edit: saw out of those 5 just yet, then I go for purri :]

fox never dominated like the 7 guys i listed have. thats why he didnt make the cut.

I believe toxjq owned for in Quad Tournament Qcon

Didnt know that ultimate quaker only belongs to dominant DUEL players.. weren't fox+tox in some era of q3 THE 2on2 duo? weren't ice climbers in some certain era THE dominant tdm clan? :]

"ultimate quakER"

toxjq is THE quakeER

with toxjq I could agree with you, but.. for his tdm performances.. I just find duel boring.. to play and watch so I like tdm playing quakER more :]

ok...i never was into tdm, as i got bored of team modes/games back when i played ET...

but... fox in shape + any decent player would rule over 2o2 tdm... same as noctis or linkin... tdm one man armies...

correct me if im wrong :-)

Cypher without a question.

milton

milwho?

u gotta love 2v2 tdm @ hub ;-0

too small of a map for u?

never really played much QW, but watching him dominate is a thing of beauty. the guy is a fking MONSTER....

Don't think i've ever seen anyone as good as dominate as him at an FPS ever. He makes it look so ez

i dunno... but i would rage alot if had to play against such spawn rape :D

full game for anyone interested
audio is a little out of sync. enjoy

added tox and cypher.
not adding anyone else

Why is Fatal1ty there? And who the fuck is Milton?

http://wiki.quakeworld.nu/Milton

I aproove.

fatal1ty is here because he dominated the most competitive era in q3(ball mouse era, along with zero4), was the 2nd best pk player, and did well in q4. he retired after q4, so his playing level after that doesn't matter because he wasn't a pro-gamer anymore.

cooller , along with czm, dominated the optical mouse era in q3.
the level of play was higher, but the scene was a lot less competitive.
a lot of duellers saw the writing on the wall in late 2002/2003 and quit dueling q3 around that time, i was one of them. cooller played excellent after he left q3, but never came close to dominating another scene. that is why he i chose fat over him, it wasn't an easy decision to make, btw..


http://www.esportsearnings.com/players/1139/fatal1ty
Total Prize Money Earned: $454,544.98 From 35 Tournaments

http://www.esportsearnings.com/players/1145/cooller
Total Prize Money Earned: $95,716.28 From 39 Tournaments

considering that cpl did not pay prizes, which is something you can't know since you are here since 3 months ago, fatality earned like 200k in tournaments if not less and remember it was a time before sponsors paying salaries.
And I already replied you that his sole q4 achievement (a second place) was absurdly fishy, to the point someone impartial cannot consider it as a part of his career.

Also cooller said in a recent interview that he won about 500k in his career including everything, which shows because he co-owns a bmw dealership, and you forgot to mention that it was him that took dueling to a whole different level (some would say he made fatality quit q3 and it's quite a coincidence that fatality dodged competition in all his career), that he dominated the first part of q4 before the visa issues....again something you can't know by just googling it up. and that he was a contender in QL something that fatality will never do (and he won an esl european masters final too).

Fact is cooller won more lans and if you discount the fishy or silly ones that fatality won (avp2, his invitational against stermy, winning the first doom3 tournament in which he was the sole player that tried the game before the event so he got stomped by rocketboy in the next one, etc.) then cooller has like 4 times more titles.

What I want to say is this http://www.esreality.com/post/2346618/n-a/#pid2346364 , whether because you are new to the scene or being paid to promote fat because this is not the first time you are doing that here.

my first account here was registered november 2001
sujoy's account was registered september 2001
i'm fairly certain i was lurking this site for some time before I registered, too.
michaeljordanlaughing.gif

don't care to argue cooller/fatal1ty with you. I already owned you inside this thread and in previous threads.
have a good day.

edit: nvm, i change my mind
fatal1ty, and many others, quit q3 because the money/tournaments started drying up big time around 2002/2003. you would have known this if you were a dueler back then.

cooller can speak english better than fatality, enough said lol

promote fat? all i said was that he wasn't as bad of a person YOU guys made him out to be. that's all.

fanboy i am not.
The only time i ever rooted for fat to win was during qcon vs zero4
I had gotten on a server with z4 earlier in the year(2002?) and he acted like an arrogant prick to me. meanwhile, fat treated me with nothing but respect when we played. every other time I saw fat play, I rooted for the other person to win.

anyways, i'll let you cooller fangirls take over this thread. i'm done posting here.

I've met and played with zero4 in lots of competitions and had no problems with him however I guess that's in real life and not online. I still have old photos from WCG etc. He was nothing but awesome in real life...

Agreed that a lot of duelers left after 2002/03 but to be expected really.

You are missing one point. People like cooller advanced the game itself, people like rapha/cypher/av3k would not have developed without cooller. I hold higher respect for people who change the way a game is played over winning record. That said, fatal1ty also had that sort of contribution to the game so he is up there, but cooller is an all time great.

you cooller fans are delusional
what exactly did cooller invent?
is there a cooller jump or a cooler shot named after him?
cooller was fatal1ty 2.0 in q3, that's it.
he was a faster/better aiming version of fatal1ty.
don't believe me?

watch fat vs z4 on dm6

rapha on cooller

"he's like a boa or a python. all his focus is i wanna run the items, i wanna control the map, i won't even worry about you"

We could do this all night / week / year / age of universe but I would chose not to engage in this debate. You have the right to choose to believe what you want.

Like owners of big corporations are not the best people in the world, despite all their money, winners of big prizes are not the best players in the world either.

ins

That statement somehow reminds me of: "fake SWAG rappers like lil john, lil wayne etc are more popular than real rap artists like army of pharaos, lost children of babylon, immortal technique, jedi mind tricks etc.. just because they are sellin their soul to every new trend"
:]

tHefuck

Just saw your SWAG nick and wanted to do a diss comment about it and created a small story around it.. so it's more than SWAG=GAY and shootmania=shit, but no offense.. :]

God, you really have been here for 3 months only.

Registered here at this time.. but reading esr since.. 2001? And what does that have to do with my statement?

And you still don't get sarcasm? :D

So you only play shitmania to express your way of sarcasm? :)

Why didn't you get my form of sarcasm when I compared your nick few posts above with wannabe rappers looking for 'fame and $$$' like you do with playing shitmania for same reasons only virtual?

But nevertheless.. I was just in the mood to write a comment on your nick that's all.. :]

Everyone that cares knows my opinion about shitmania, the nick is just a matter of fun, cause someone said since I was playing shootmania I should have a fitting nick, so I came up with the shittest nick I could. :|

ok.. so there are 2 failures:
1. you started playing shitmania.. even BEFORE this 100.000$ torunament was announced.. quake traitor! :]
2. you have a really bad taste if it comes to new nicks..

insane sounds like a guy how smash you to shit when you get problems with him... xXx[69]_ins_[#SW4G]xXx on the other hand sounds like a guy who gets penetrated "deep inside" if he would ever be in a prison :D

ok, I stop now GG :]

ok

dude you just got owned

GO MOJO

purri or milton

Sadly, there is no ultimate Quaker who was Nr.1 in all Quakes.

I guess only purri comes the closest, as he comes from Q2 era, while the others are from Q3.

why toxic is on the list?

he was top in q3, best in q4, and noone in ql


av3k suits much mroe

are you serious?
do you think he put the same effort in quakelive as he did in q3 and q4?
tox owned q4 and was a monster in q3
cooller is the only one left out who has a case, but i put tox over him cause tox' dominated him in q4

Quake 4
2nd Cyberathlete Professional League 2005 Winter ($5,700)
1st VIA Dreamhack 2005 Winter: ($3,000)
1st KODE5 2006 Finals ($10,000)
1st QuakeCon 2006 ($15,000)
1st GGL VSports AllStars ($5,000)[3]
1st World Series of Video Games 2006 Intel Summer Championship ($20,000)
5th Electronic Sports World Cup 2006
2nd World Series of Video Games 2006 Sweden ($3,000)
1st World Series of Video Games 2006 London ($5,250)
1st DigitalLife 2006 ($5,000)[4]
1st World Cyber Games 2006 ($5,000)[5]
1st World Series of Video Games 2006 Finals ($20,000)
2nd World Series of Video Games 2007 Louisville ($3,000)
1st QuakeCon 2007 **Where he competed in the QuakeCon QUAD Damage Tournament, involving Quake I, II, III, and IV** ($20,000)
1st World Series of Video Games 2007 Toronto ($6,250)
1st i-32 ($5,500)
Total Prize Money: $126,700

yeah i said he was the best in q4... any duel tourney he won in q3? nope? any ql duel tourney? no...

idd one of best q4 only players...

guess ql need to much brain work for him


owwwwwwwww.... and wheres cooller?

You're a fucking idiot.

because i can give arguments showing tox isnt so great? :DDD


go and spam shit moldova maggot

No, just because you're a fucking idiot, i don't care about tox.

yet another jelly hater on the list

btw, from what you sound, you seems to be are fucking idiot .

you didnt hear me, so you dont know how i sound

touché, idiot...

His tdm achievments in q3

Quake III TDM
1st DWL LAN
2nd ClanBase EuroCup III 2001
1st ELSA CPL London 2001
2nd Birdie 12 2002
1st Gib'n'Run 2002
2nd CPL Cologne 2002
1st Warp LAN 2002
2nd ClanBase EuroCup V 2002
2nd Lan Arena 7 2002
1st CPL Oslo 2002
3rd ClanBase EuroCup VI 2002
1st QLAN 2002 or 2003
1st ClanBase EuroCup VIII 2003 Also voted MVP
1st DreamHack Winter 2003
1st ClanBase EuroCup VII 2003
2nd ClanBase EuroCup IX 2004
1st QLAN II 2004
1st ClanBase EuroCup XI 2005
[edit]

yeah fox did win alot for him...

words of wisdom!

bs, fox is/was amazing but so is tox. I remember when fox,tox dominated 2on2 they did a fun match fox/cooller vs tox/jibo which tox and jibo won quite convincingly. fox joined ic late 2002 so the first half of that achievments list has nothing to do with fox. Also

http://beta.quake.cz/qlstats/dreamhack-winter...esc/rating

whatever...

tox<fox

tox did't win anything big in Q3 1v1...

Tox won Quad Damage tournament at Quakecon 2007, which combined all 4 Quake games into one competition. Does that make him the ultimate Quaker?

i heard for every tiebreaker tox got q4

Cooller barely won anything in QL and still managed to become best player forever. This kind of achievement is way out of tox league.

lol@d fatality. You really show you've been here for 3 months.

And it has to be either tox (dominated q4 and q3/ql tdm) or cooller (dominated q3 and q4, plus lots of top4s in QL lol).

Voo and fat never really dominated a game with more than 17 players in any period of time (they did not dominate pk nor q3 respectively). They shouldn't even be in the list.

owned early q3
did great in pk
and made a grand final in q4
pretty sure he was using his own terrible mouse for most of his q4 matches, too. he probably would have played better had he used a ms or logi mouse instead.

that is not dominating. And fat did not "own" q3, as google can help you.

Also the q4 grand final is now officially void, confirmed by 2gd.

fat dominated early q3
made 100k in 1 year, ffs. watch some demos, he made people look like fools.

you're saying fatal1ty paid off everyone to lose to him in that tournament? i really doubt that.
I said he MADE the finals, not won the finals

so 1 year is his "dominance" lol, in which he wasn't unstoppable like rapha was until some time ago (winning everything) and rapha's prime lasted like 3 years. Cooller, tox, cypher and rapha are a lot (and I mean a lot) more successful considering all their lan results.

Actually I'd say result-wise fat doesn't make top10 considering all duel and tdm fps that aren't a joke (avp2, doom3 being a beta tester rofl, "world championship" 1v1 on dm17 and so on), but he marketed himself perfectly and was very wise dodging competition and retiring the moment he lost.
It's been discussed lots so you can google that, but in the end thing is haven't you noticed how every time he is mentioned on event streams there's always ironic statements on his skill and achievements? Literally the hulk hogan of e-sports.

About the final, there's lots of evidence that it was staged until tox started playing for real, so it is not farfetched fat also bought his way to the finals especially considering his results before and after that event, and how fishy his results are after q3.

And cmon fat has absolutely 0 chances of going through group stages on a ql lan. Exact same players, can't do shit.
That's not the "ultimate quaker", nor the "classic quake legend" which is thresh 100%: he won every single tournament he played in 5 different games (I know of, probably more). More importantly, he won everything in a 5 year career. Also he is a lot more influential than fatality (x-fire against fat's 11 viewers on his stream That's the most I've ever seen on his.)

thresh is the Fatal1ty of the 90's

but the real deal. No dodging competition when it gets hard and no fishy tournaments (like half fat's "world championships"). Thresh won every single thing in 5 years in all popular fast paced fps games, and probably is the only millionaire pro gamer (firingsquad and related sites, x-fire and the fb clone thing net him several millions).

sorry, but i had to say it....
Thresh is the first real progamer, and that's a point, but he won only in the beginning of the competitive scene, when advanced movement wasn't even implemented or used, and the competition level was abysmal... on a site i read that he took part only in small competitions or avoided the ones he wasn't sure to win; also did he ever reached the top in quake 2?
and if i'm not wrong, he was 23 years old when q3 came out, and he even was a beta tester; so why did' he choose to disappear from the competitive scene? that says a lot, IMO.

What matters is being the best at a certain time. It's not like Pele sucks because soccer players level was worse; on the contrary he is considered to be the best of all time.

I'm not a thresh fanboy so idk, but it's quite obvious he retired to focus on firingsquad and related sites (the biggest e-sports related site of its time. Sold for millions), then x-fire and so on. Also makaveli said he (mak) did not like q3 in comparison to q1 and q2, so that might be another reason for thresh.

No, what matters is not to be the best at a certain time, since we are talking about being or not the overall strongest; or by that statement, peoples like Fatal1ty and Toxic, that both have been the best in certain times, and have earned more money and being more popular than thresh, fits that parameter way better.

Also Makaveli saying that he preferred q1 and q2 to q3 isn't really meaningful, considering that above in this thread has been stated that to be the "ultimate quaker", having ruled in two or more different games helps much, compared to someone that ruled only in one game.

No fishy tournaments? Entropy must be turning in his grave. Not that he is dead probably, but if he was, he would be.

sounds juicy, could you go into more detail sir?

and I just realized you are the same guy that proposed the "fair spawn system" idea. That says a lot.

vo0 would own you in any fps game
shut your troll mouth up

voo did not dominate pk.
voo did not dominate q3.
voo did not dominate ql.

That's my point. I know he is great and all, but not "the ultimate quaker".

rapha in ql:

4th QuakeCon, 2008 ($500)[6]
1st QuakeCon, 2009 ($14,000)[7]
1st Gamescom, 2009 ($1000)[8]
1st Intel Extreme Masters Season IV Global Challenge Dubai, 2009 ($3000)[9]
2nd Intel Extreme Masters Season IV American Championship Finals, 2009 ($1500)[10]
1st Intel Extreme Masters Season IV World Championship Finals, 2009 ($10,000)[11]
1st Electronic Sports World Cup, 2010 ($8000)[12][13]
1st Big Bang, 2010 ($800)[14]
5-6th QuakeCon, 2010[15]
2nd Gamescom, 2010 ($1700)[16]
3rd ASUS Summer, 2010 ($500)[17]
1st Intel Extreme Masters Season V American Championship Finals, 2010 ($3000)[18]
1st FnaticMSI PLAY BEAT IT Quake Live, 2010 ($6000)[19]
5-8th DreamHack Winter, 2010[20]
1st Intel Extreme Masters Season V World Championship Finals, 2011 ($8500)[21]
2nd Ultimate Gaming Championship, 2011 ($1600)[22]
2nd DreamHack Summer, 2011 ($1570)[23]
1st QuakeCon, 2011 ($8000)[24]
2nd DreamHack Winter 2011 ($2137)[25]
1st DreamHack Summer 2012 ($4314)[26]
3rd QuakeCon 2012 Duel Invitational Masters Championship ($3000)[27]

vo0 in pk:

2nd – CPL World Tour Grand Finals – 1on1 (New York City, U.S.)
3rd – CPL World Tour Stop Chile 2005 – 1on1 (Santiago, Chile)
1st – CPL World Tour Stop Italy 2005 – 1on1 (Milan, Italy)
2nd – CPL World Tour Stop Singapore 2005 – 1on1 (Singapore, Singapore)
1st – CPL World Tour Stop UK 2005 – 1on1 (Sheffield, UK)
2nd – CPL World Tour Stop USA 2005 – 1on1 (Dallas, U.S.)
1st – CPL World Tour Stop Sweden 2005 – 1on1 (Jönköping, Sweden)
1st – CPL World Tour Stop Brazil 2005 – 1on1 (Rio de Janeiro, Brazil)
2nd – CPL World Tour Stop Spain 2005 – 1on1 (Barcelona, Spain)
1st – CPL World Tour Stop Turkey 2005 – 1on1 (Istanbul, Turkey)
1st – CPL World Tour Spain Qualifier 2005 – 1on1 (Istanbul, Turkey)
1st – CPL Extreme Summer Championships 2004 – 1on1 (Dallas, U.S.)
1st – CPL Extreme Winter Championships 2004 – 1on1 (Dallas, U.S.)
1st – Electronic Sports World Cup 2004 – 1on1 (Poitiers, France)

/thread

back to the ignore list you go, troll.

you can't see the whole picture by copypasting something. It had to be experienced and consider every single tournament played that year, because without it you can't interpret results and it's different winning 4/5 than 4/10.

Which leads us again to Registered: 7 Aug 2012, rofl.

Ok, so what's Vo0's ratio of tourneys played to tourneys won/finished in a final?

You want us to ignore the actual facts in favor of a subjective personal experience or feeling? Are you religious?

Shockingly I totally agreed with you until this point. However I can't quite agree with you here. Yes Vo0 didn't dominate q3 and ql. To be fair he wasn't even Top 8 material in ql. However saying he didn't dominate PK is just pathetic.

He won CPL Summer 2k4, ESWC 2k4, CPL Winter 2k4, 5 out of 10 CPL WT tournaments and placed top 3 in every other stop (didn't count the Turkey qualifier in).

Until the grand final in NY no one could really touch him on a good day, in the grand final he played not even 70% of his normal game while fat miraculously seemed to play 150% of what he did until then (Vo0 never lost on Psycho before that in a official match and now fat beats him twice in a row?), I call bullshit on that performance like I do with the WSVG finals between tox and fat (if you look trough CPL history fat always was in the top rankings).

Even with loosing out in the grand final Vo0 made more money throughout the WT (theoretically how much was paid out I don't know) than fat. For me this looks like pretty heavy dominance in PK times. However you still are right about q3/ql like I stated before.

milton

Why has no one mentioned winz?
He has won titles in 3/4 quite different FPS games ... Quake, UT2k4, SM and Quakelive (TDM).

If the question is about who would be likely to succeed in a brand new title winz should definitely be at the very top of the list, after Fatal1ty ofcourse if you base your assesment of past achievements.

wasnt he a cheater or something

wasn't that strenx?

Here we go again. Any proof?

Man... i was expecting an answer with this video as an evidence. In my opinion this video doesn't show 100% that he is cheating, and the demos were all cuts to only select few seconds in each. He might very have momentums were he just hits much much more. Yet i'm not 100% sure myself he was not cheating. But i think this is realy not enough. Maybe some of the players involved in this clip can send supposedly suspicious demos of their own games vs strenx.

Not a strenx fanboy AT ALL. Just saying ;)

well, i guess that the fact strenx himself admitted to have used cheat in q3 is a point in favour of this video

Could you share your sources/evidences?

this is what i read, here on esr, about that video; i don't remember the title, unfortunately; i should have marked it; if you want, i can search it and see what i find; still, i think that the fact he used aimbots (as is pretty obvious he did) in q3 times when he was 14 or so is way less relevant than the fact he used wallhacks in zoracs (the game versus pavel... theres even the demo available, and played in wolfcam with wh leaves little doubts).

not sure if troll or stupid

you

Something can be true even if evidence is concealed.

say what

thats what i heard :|

f..k, as i dislike this french maggot, i have to agree hes one of the best players in gaming history

Vo0 ez.

pretty solid pointless thread innit

cooller/cypher/rapha share first place due 2 fame cause of style n succes

overall best quake player in all quake games: fox

This FFS! Fox was the best @ quaddamage tournament. Tox won only because there were more q4 matches.
Fox is a beast in every quake/mod he plays. Every quake + duel, tdm, ctf, ffa, lolca...

Everyone knows that cooller is best player in the world in all quake and doom games and also in starcraft, and you are probably just another fox fakenick.

innovative thinking
edukat plis

There is only a small number of ESR users with sufficient background, player knowledge and general credibility to genuinely undertake a thread like this...
AND moderate the discussion with sincere, evenhanded thoughtfulness.

Musicofmelkor: you are NOT one of them.

ultimate quake player is COOLLER hello u dump?????

currently Coller is the best quaker, with Cypher and Rapha about to be dethrone him once one start dominate the other (and with that their era too).

best all around DM fps player is probably Vo0, with Stermy not so far behind.

Tox worths a mention because of his Q3 TDM legacy (when tdm was actually competitive as far as prizes and LANs go?) but more importantly hes definitely the ultimate Q4 player.

Everyone else you mentioned is joke for this matter.

stermy has not won a single "major" duel tournament. Not one, and I can't remember him on a final of those (2nd place)

voo only won in pk in the popular dm fps games. That's not an all rounder, and he said it himself.

tox also won the quad damage thing and QL tdm lans. That's the difference with voo: tox actually wins in everything he plays.

yes you are right about vo0 and stermy theyre definitely not the "ultimate" players, but the first names came to my mind as a "jack of all trades" kind of guys through all DM games.

as for tox, a single tournament doesnt say anything, especially since it was the Q4 competitive scene playng some other titles too afaik? could have just got unlucky not drawing Q4 at the right time that would seal the deal for him. not to mention hed probably get outright raped by any decent QW player (not that it would matter), but using the quad damage tourney as an example is just poor argument considering its lineup.

anyway, clearly the ultimate player list goes like

1, Cooller
2, Rapha & Cypher
3, Tox (maybe, but a lot others would fit here).

ultimately as it is today i think it will be Cypher. Rapha is very good too but somehow missing the X-factor that Cypher has. I'd say Rapha is a scientific player, but Cypher is an artist, this is the difference that will elevate Alexey to the next level.

When you have hair like stermy, winning is not important.

tox for sure. no doubt. but cooller will always be my favorite player.

3rd, Rapha - Rapha ... is a genius. That is not to be contested, he has proven this many, many times in the past. He would be my first pick if there was an audience with zero knowledge about quake. You would hear the jaw dropping after some of the esl classic-style in depth look onto quake. I feel rapha could very well compete in rts games aswell. His ability to convert numbers into gameplay is incredible, so Id put much trust into him.

2nd, Cypher - Cypher said in an interview that when he first played Q3, it was like he was Neo entering the Matrix. And thats what it feels like when you watch him play. Since the times of the famous russian duo Unkind / Lexer, Ive never seen such talented fps gamer. Im sure that if there would be more #1 contestants on the events, Cypher would be capable of being even MUCH better, than hes at the moment.

1st, Cooller - Showman, progamer and a strong personality in one; capable of creating and winning grudge matches; he makes flaming sound like logic; hated but yet adored by his opponents. Cooller has all there is to be a perfect progamer. But theres more. If you locked 4 men into a cabin deep in the woods and it would be clear that only one is to make it alive from there, Id bet my money on Cooller. His mindgames are legendary. I think hes the only quake pro player capable of figuring out not only the game itself, but also all of his opponents. Both in and out of the game. And that would make him a #1 choice for me to be the top pro in a new fps game.

such a good summary of cooller. <3

thread lacks acknowledgement for the cultural or somewhat emotional impact of players... you may also call it the personality factor. and that's why cooller should be on that list. it's not all about price money and titles.

shadowmaster155 tbh

why is not sanchez in the list?

He's busy with hitting walls around and updating his wh.

Another rumor I heard; he's in some kind of a mental-hygienic institute now.

Bulat

But fatal1ty already beat cooller why argue? if there are events in which cooller beats fatal1ty in a match exists please prove me wrong.

It was a part of cooller's typical mind game, to let fatality win several times and feel his superiority, and then crush him like a cockroach, so that he would cry depressed and spend years in mentally ill hospital, but unfortunately fat wasn't able to endure even the first part of the plan and chickened out early, afraid to continue competitions forever in quake.

sorry man you can let cooller play quake for another one million years but if he cannot win anything then all that mind game will come to waste

besides:
fatal1ty or toxjq's achivements >>>>> cooller's

or even

cypher>>>>>cooller's in a short time span

And hitler conquered half of europe, which doesn't make him best person in the world. Achievement can only be regarded in perspective, but not by itself.
Cooller always defined what the game is, and other players were merely pawns following cooller's rules. If they won, it only meant that cooller gave such game to them, for whatever deeper reasons. Sometimes he could help a friend in need to get some money and sacrifice 1st place for him, he's just awesomest person ever.

tox

Well, I'm not saying that av3k is the ultimate Quaker, but it's a shame he's not included here. Q4 was totally dominated by only two players, Tox and Av3k. Tox was better most of the times, but only av3k was able to compete with him on equal terms. And he was only 15-16 at the time! The 'wunderkind' of Quake, received several awards for the player of the year etc. And Cypher was nowhere as good as av3k in Q4 and in fact did not do well in q4 at all...

It's just as simple as that - if Cypher is here, so should be av3k.

I've searched here and there and apparently:

av3k has never lost to Cypher and Fatality in Quake4, in his whole career only 4 players have won against him. Plus organizers did not allow him to attend major LANs before 2006 because of his young age. There's probably not even a single tournament where Cypher would be placed on top of av3k.

Agree with everything you've mentioned. Also cool little fact that av3k and cypher are best friends which I find remarkable both coming from different countries and meeting by chance through a video game which really warms my heart.

Also what most people don't realise is when av3k and cypher face off in quake it's usually 50/50 and actually I think it favours av3k more than cypher somehow. Maybe the factor of them being such good friends plays into it or just styles conflict who knows but yeah Av3k is so underrated it makes me sick just thinking about it.

Just goes to show there's always good points about gaming :)

no mention of scooby, damiah, dahang for q2... sad panda

to become "the ultimate quaker" they have to win lans in 3 or more quakes or similar games.

Has any of those won any in any game? lol. Any in q3, where arguably there are the better players than q2 (this coming from a former q2 player)?

I was mainly responding due to the fact that purri is listed on the OP, and it is my personal opinion all three of them are better players..as far as your dumb trivia question goes, if quakecon were to have another "quad damage tourney" dahang would be my favorite to win.

nobody. its a tie among 3 and i will not say who they are.


2001 registration therefore I have the knowledge.

GODOFWAR sanchez
GODOFWAR shadowmaster155

who's third?

Dird is the third

3rd worse player ever

Polosat1y

Your list does not contain cooller, wont bother further investigation.

Rat!

Also surely Paradoks or Dag for QW?

Pietro

Fox if we talking about all modes.

Cooller if we talking about quake games only.

Vo0 if we talk about FPS games

Milton, voo, purri WTFFFF u a crazy??

n1 Cooller, maybe 2 cypher, 3 strenx and 4 rapha.

Av3k???

Mite surprise you but there were quakes before quakelive

milton should be out since he is only good at QW and that's one of 9999 games (fox and czm played QW and are top players in other games),
Also the last time Q1/QW had people playing and prize money was last millennium. Both are of the essence to determine competitiveness.

voo roflstomped cpm and pk, so he can be on the list. Purri too, because of q2 (very safe to say he is the best q2 player of all time, the legend, and he still manages to be in all finals), q4 and ql (he is the current tdm lan champion after all).

milton is the most dominant player here, you retard.
do you think there is any chance of milton losing to an american, ffs.
dahang vs purri, lol. purri is great, but there are people close to him in q2. no one is beating milton as long as he is active.

do you even read before replying? I don't care if milton stomps there, that's just 1 game out of 10ish and in the rest he did nothing whatsoever so no "ultimate quaker". Also it is quite different from the rest.

milton should be out since he is only good at QW and that's one of 9999 games (fox and czm played QW and are top players in other games),

do you really believe milton would have trouble switching to quakelive?
lol. milton could be a pro in any quake game in no time. might not ever be tops cause he lacks the decade long experience, but he could definitely be pro level.

heres lakerman proving the transition is no big deal.
fatal1ty came from quakeworld, too. lol

everyone came from quakeworld. That's not an achievement, being the best is.
Fat wasn't top tier in Q1 (it wasn't qw by that time) by any means whatsoever (not even top 9999999999) so yeah, but you had to mention him out of nowhere like you always do.

I don't have to theorize with the examples provided by everyone in this thread. With milton you have to, and until he goes to QL and wins some lan then he is no "ultimate quaker" material, even less so competing for no.1 against people that dominated 3+ games.

Weren't you going to leave this thread like you always do then edit compromising posts days after? rofl

then remove rapha from the list too, he is only dominant in QL

rapha is not on the list and rapha is no ultimate quaker.

oh, i saw his name many times on this topic, it confused me

None, cuz Quake isn't all about duel.

The best players are allrounders who have proved themselves on every gamemode imo.

Any suggestions ? I don't know anything about q2 or q1 so I'll just say link1n, spart1e, czm?, etc. knowing that my list is incomplete :)

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winning is different than playing

tox in ctf ?

put him and his brother in the center of the map. Server will crash after so many impressives.

He would still lack the CTF kind of thinking that makes players have all the good and appropriate reactions when playing this mode.

EG I'm pretty sure vertex would certainly match tox his railing capabilities all the while still having good movement around the map, capturing the flags or defending it whenever suited.

yes yes, boost ur ego ctf player :DDDDDDDDDDDDDD

http://sebastienboyer.free.fr/q3/32nd.raOul-C...2nd-IC.jpg

Fake, raoul has never captured a flag.

Allrounders are good at all, best in nothing. That quakelive isn't about only dueling doesn't mean that all the best players nevertheless couldn't all be duelers without any exception.

In Q2, Purri is the best ever at both TDM and Duel.

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how can you say rapha and cypher are dominant in ql? ql isnt duel only. i go with spart1e with major achievements in duel tdm and ctf also fox and tox

cooller should be in the list for sure.
milton shouldn't. he was/is truly awesome in qw, but not in any other quake.

stermy

"new hardcore fps is coming out and there will be a million dollar prize for a tournament after 1 year. each guy decides to participate and put their all into it.
which guy would come out on top?"

av3k

This guy is going for hell now that he hasn't mentioned Av3k

???
he wasn't as dominate as the players listed above were/are.
could he have taken tox's place in q4 if they kept playing
maybe, but it didn't happen.

Av3k wasn't dominate? Tell me how much we all hate Av3k.

He definitely wouldn't dominate Q4 with tox involved. He only won the Louisville event at WSVG because tox hadn't adapted yet to the new patch (1.4). After this event tox changed his config drastically raising his sens by 10cm/360 and beat him at WSVG Toronto and Multiplay i32.

czm. He did great at a time and he still finds time to travel to greet people and play despite all the stuff he got going outside of Quake, unlike some other players who just slam the door behind when Quake isn't profitable anymore.

czm <3

Bump! Milton, czm, rapha, fatal1ty and toxjq gets my vote.