Low your sens :D

Still shakes.. just with lg.xD

turn off accel

Yeah, so if you need a quick 180 flick because you get kicked back with rocket knockback you need to do really retarded hand movements due low sens and no accel.

He wanted a solution to the shaky problem with his lg, i gave him my answer. Ofc there's problems associated with all sens but that's not what this topic is about.

relax

Stop wanking for a week.

turn off sound

change lg style/view

yes without sound it gets alot easier..but you cant play like that. it's all in my head and it sux.)

This actually works, quite allot. But only for the LG. Its probably because of the mind has less to calculate when the sound is out of the picture. Which means, in my personal experience, that I need to train on my multitasking. Which means, that I am that kind of player that can be abused in certain situations just because of that first single sound "that made me rush for the mid-upper level at lg" on hub".

Fuck. I can believe that I'm learning while i'm writing this. This is probably one of the reasons that this game is still alive,

yeah i was just guessing but you seem to know more xd

tbh multitasking is just means how fast you are able to switch on concentrating different things, so i really think it wont help a shit here. You should rather ignore the should and focus on firing. Also dodging / aimin is mostly just messing opponents move pattern and then abusing the fact that he cant "fool" you as he have to move in certain way..

Hitting mg is obviously easier as it doenst have kickback and as people doesnt actively dodge against it as they know it wont make them melt in 2secs...

just my 2cents

cap a bitch yo

ask kkk

he has found the cure

weed ;s

yeah but i cant smoke cuz i have special body checks every now and then cuz of school.

"cuz"? really?

what? weed is fine dude...you should smoke it if you aren't in some sort of a military school like me.

CUZ <---- NO
BECAUSE <---- YES

ohh,ok..esr english must be perfect BECAUSE of guys like you.

no, you can even use "'cause" if you want, but "cuz" is crossing the line

what about 'cos'?

only if your name is p0rt

xd..i'll try my best just for you.:P

:D

^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vf8N6GpdM

hurr durr im a burrthurrt durrtra jurrst discuvurred the inturrnurrt

lol wrong nt tho lil nigga

Agree :P

just cuz he uses cuz doesnt give u the right to bring it up. why? cuz i said so

cuz

it fucks up ur mind, makes u depressed and unmotivated...

fucking hilarious to see guys saying its a drug without side-effects, YEAAAA it just makes you blind on em as any other drug does

Ask alfaomega, he should know.

lmao

lol

k1llsen knows that too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_d...YZs#t=351s

Ye lol, when I saw k1llsen shoot like this for the first time my first thought was 'wtf, is he using this poorly coded autoshoot shit?' :D

I'd love to see an all in LG battle between killsen and alfaomega on Eye To Eye

Really?

:3

ok i never shake like this..this is just wtf??xd

Probably has something to do with the g9 sensor. Usually when I'm shaky I'm either not warmed up or my low sens. The problem with low sens is sometimes it puts your wrists in a weird position.

try different cg_truelightning

Performance anxiety? Maybe you should take a hiatus from the game.

strafeaim

Bind +attack on keyboard button

A heavier mouse or another technique of holding it might help.

i have abysuss which is the lightest i guess:D

id suggest dont worry about it...

killsen still shakes with lg

more importantly i shake with lg sometimes

it looks ugly..:/

How the f*** did cypher get his aim, tox,strenx,p0ni...

talent!

le sigh :(

Cypher and Strenx are trying to predict dodging, not just react to what they see.

1st - they are confident in their game
2nd - years of experience

ps. btw at yesterday's zotac I was quite surprised by p0ni's lg - it was fucking sick. for example on dm13 he sometimes outaimed cypher while being in unfavorable position. Also he made many positioning and illogical mistakes. He really could be top4-5 material at least online if he payed more attention to his strategical play.

There was a time when he was top4-5 material online, just before DH when he was practicing the most, and his LG is indeed infamous, from Madrid to Moscow.

Well I guess it's kinda hard to improve for him because the only chance to play better playees is zotac and 1-2 bo3 a week is not much. Imo there are k1llsen, cypher, strenx. Rest is just cannon fodder or rather say no improvement material for him. The other top tier player don't play at all :O

A wank a day keeps the crosshair from stray.
No wonder you nerds are all hitting 40+%

you're the one beating cooller...

I can live with that :)

MG is so much easier because people fear it less and they usually aren't hitting you with their LG while you are using it (at least I hope they aren't).

And with mg you don't see the beam, which helps dodging a great deal.

while lg-ing is your left hand tense too ? try to relax your left hand, tension can go through your arms/shoulders/back of your neck and make your two hands communicate. if one is tense the other can be. of course it goes the other way, relax one hand to relax the other. it's a violin tip. other violin tip : try holding your mouse differently, even in a strange way (for example with the tip of your fingers) and practice against bots. you will find out it's possible even if it's whack at first. it will help you to find a good balance. last but not least : breathe when having a lg fight and focus without thinking of your shaking problem.
never tried those tips with quake ;) trying to help. btw tips are just tips, it's not the core of the practice. they can only be helpful in some case (depend on the person)

tnx man.great tips i'll give it a try.

It's ok, just increase your frequency :)

try grounding the LG

maybe try no lg beam?

derp?

Is this possible in ql?

wasn't sure to be honest, I just remember doing that in cpma.

Yo, it's not cause of wanking or some shit they tell you. I never got nervous in a fight but i shaked lg left and right for like ages. For me it has to do with mouse sensitivity being totally fucked up in ql, maybe you have same problem. My mouse reacted so strange under raw input that i had to compensate for it by moving it like a maniac on steroids. I solve it by switching to direct input. Now when i move my crosshair it goes where i intended to not on some random position. Sounds strange idd but it's a fact. Try changing in_mouse
For trolls - I GOT DEMOS TO PROVE IT :D
Tried q3cpma and i aim like god himself there (fluid and consistent).
QL has some weird lagged solution for sensitivity that i dont fully understand yet. I guess code for raw input is fucked up or something.
Also had to change account since for some reason i cant switch in_mouse to 1 on my original account.
K1llsen and alfaomega are two good examples of how to aim good while looking like a retard and it's cause of that. They have to compensate on these small mouse movements cause mouse isnt listening to them.
I know this for a fact since it's same feeling like in battlefield 2 where you have sensitivity influenced by ping/lag. In cod4 for example i never had that problem.

Cheers.

p.s. You can easly test this by playing offline/online in all of the games mentioned.
p.s.2 i see now you say you feel nervous with shaft. Means you are not confident. Drink water and dont forget do breathe while you fight (lol).

THANK YOU!

I have tried everything to get a consistent feeling without result, after seeing your post i tried in_mouse 1 again and it worked like magic. It feels abit smoothed but its the same feeling every game, which is what matters.

Its about nerves mostly and the players you play. Its all in the head :)

I get the same way. I get it really bad on RG and LG. Especially in duel when it's a tight game or when I'm last alive in a CA match. It's mainly all nerves and it gets better the longer I play, but man, if you watch me i shake like crazy. It REALLY fucks up my movement also. I've even had specs comment that I shake really bad sometimes. I'm even stoned about 90% of the time I play.

I'm even stoned about 90% of the time I play.

That's one of the reason I would say you are REALLY nervous. Being stoned + giving too much importance to a game = heartrate over 9k. Just play FFAs or Instagib when in that condition.

p.s. I remember me playing in Q3 on ZTN vs high skilled oldschooller while stoned. I was so focused to not give away stupid frags and play very careful that I didn't even notice how the game ended with 1-0 score with him winning :D

doesn't cypher play stoned or does he just looks stoned.xd

he looks like a proper stoner, indeed.

yeah he does look like he smokes.

at night it gets much better.

i switched from DA (bigger heavier) to the abbysus, i have shaky aim in general, but lg was infinitely better with the DA. (im guessing its partly down too DAs flawless sensor and its size/weight)

i suggest using support for your elbow as well, might as well pop it on the table and place your monitor at an angle (i am trying this as of late, its all old russian tactic, but habbits are hard to break, but will be worth it in the long run,..)

oh and cg_truelightning should be at around 0.85 imho

i already have elbow on the table, always felt more comfortable for me that way. i dont turn my monitor tho.

oke, then only thing i can suggest then is testing other mice of different shape size and weight (ofc if you can be arsed to do so), im a nervous player and like i said, the heavier/bigger DeathAdder was much better for my lg.

nah, i'm not that worried about that.:) i'll try to care less about my hands in fights or smth.

kk ;p
gl

Like rapha, cooller and cypher?

I think there is one thing you may not have considered. Do you generally aim with your fingers, wrist, or arm? I'm guessing you use a highish sens and aim mainly with your fingers. While aiming with your fingers can be more reactionary, it is really easy to make minor mistakes that mess with your tracking. You have to play a lot to be any good with the style (killsen).

Try to force yourself to use your whole arm or at least your wrist when moving your mouse.

Also, contrary to what others have said, wank it more imo. It's good for relaxation.

Good post! Do you know any other pros that use this style? Is it generally accepted that there are three main ways of holding the mouse; fingers, wrist, arm?

Me so curious, me ask you all time.

Personally, I hold the mouse, two handed, and move the desk with my thighs.

Loser! I move the table with my shaft!

Pulling it two to three hundred times per day is a good starting point for a stable aim.

lol, have a girl for that

where does k1llsen play with fingerstyle?

at his girlfriend's house ;D;D;D;D;D;D

u mean his wife.

you mean his mum

it's still his gf :P

What his mum?

You're right I use 4.75 sens, 0.08 accel on 450dpi abyssus.. 6/11 windows, 1000hz, yaw pitch 0.018.
It's not that high but I really like it cause my movement is pretty ok with this setting.
Also my rockets and plasma are good I would say. I only need my wrist to make movements but my hand is on the table up to my elbow. Good post, have a [+].

Use more arm than wrist.

Make it a point to turn smoothly even if you miss. The enemy isn't actually moving fast enough to warrant shaking.

easy one... practise vs bots

problem solved

its a bit different playing bots or human players;)

its a bit different fighting terminators than human beings

You mean, retarded terminators?

its a bit different fighting machines like toxjq than human beings :P

and that's exactly why it will help u

Murder some people and then you won't get nervous so easily.

Developing some shizophrenia also helps.

Bullshit. Bots are cannot dodge as actively, as any noob with elo 1000 doing during regular QL duel. :)

that is why it helps. if they were like humans, it wouldn't help

u learn to not move ur lg too much, which is a very common mistake

Maybe you are right. I personally just started to appreciate full power of strafe aiming. But i believe that using LG only this way really limits its combat efficiency.

And as a low sens player I don't have any problems with aiming with mouse during LG fight. Or so I think. :)

True shaft whores are masters of both.

afaik strafeaiming in lg vs lg makes both players hit like 50+ % you can't do that vs good players..you have to think about dodging..

Yeah, you will find players like Strenx and Tox trace the enemy model while dodging.

thats why u enter the lg fight only with stack advantage?

I wish I do it this way every time... :)

It is nice to be able to out-trace an opponent with a greater stack in an LG fight forced upon you.

imo running away spaming rockets/plasma is better choice...

you would need to hit much higher % to actually pull such shit off...

lets say ur 200 stack, and ur enemy 300... he hits 20% lg, meaning he deals 35 dmg per second... you hit 30% lg, thats 42 dmg per second... now some more math

[ur stack/enemy dmg output]
200/35 = 5,7 seconds
[enemy stack/ ur dmg output]
300/42 = 7,1 seconds

Guy with only 100 more stack, and terrible lg accuracy will kill you faster anyway :-) You would need to hit 40%lg to actually win such fight...



ps. thats why czm is so fucking good @ quake... math for the win :D

im not sure strenx is very good at math

i didnt say you have to be good at math to be good @ quake

you better be good at quake cause your math sucks.

it was 2 am, what did you expect?

not excuses for for your math failures, thats for sure

okay :<

20% LG is 0.2*20*7=28 so it would take aprox 7.1 seconds for both to take away the other players stack. Moral of the story is always fire first? :p

yes idd, a made an error...

AHAHA YOU FUCKING FAILURE

dont care, just deal shitload of dmg?

alcohol fix that, trust me

yeah that's true but do you know anything without side effects?xd

I told you - stop wanking. This thing really works and no side effects!














WAIT, OH SHI...

Where is h3artless?!

He is busy writing another thread about how awsome he is.

dont mad cuz u cant shaft pls

play w/ ping 50 and shaft sticks like butter.

i play on diff servers from 25 to 75 ping. i find 45-52 ping the best..dunno why.

dunno why exactly but its the anti-lag netcode (:

only a matter of time when weird responds to this!

release the kraken

low ping isnt really an advantage anymore imo :)

it still is

with projectile weapons.

with hitscan too, as highpinger will actually fire later compared to lowpinger... it affects ET gameplay a lot, i belive its kinda the same in QL

It is.

breathe

WHAT ABOUT TN -20 ?

cheat :(

yo u play me two times my ping u timenudge u cheat sucka

Why do people say timenudge is cheating?

because the other players see you warping and because it alows you to register more hits.

If you don't use it, you'r dumb. But to be quite honest id should lock it for fairness.

Actually, no.

I've never had any complaints about warping while using timenudge. Also i've played a fair share of people that warp for no good reason with or without timenudge.
Unless you have any substantial claim other than lousily a misleadingly coined colwn clan name please don't use warping as an argument to call it a cheat :D

then query linkin and ask him maybe ..

Timenudge is client-side animation, not network cvar.
It cant affect on warp.

I made some easy test. Asking someone (the guy had ping 50) to set TN to -20 and run in front of me.

He was totaly smooth with TN 0 and a bit warpy with TN-20, but the warp is very small. It's not like it will make you warp like how you guys call people warpers, its just very small. It.s not like he is teleporting to a position to another but mire like very very small interpolations missing. thus it's clearly noticable if you ask someone to walk from left to right in a straight line with TN 0 and then TN -20.

I'm surprised to see that such big nerds like you guys don't know about this, while some random noobs already figured it out.

i can also tell that TN helps a lot with ping > 80.

cheers!

Timenudge just fucks your prediction past 100ms.

same bullshit ever since 99, when will people learn. timenudge still is a clientside cvar.

ok so i am a dumb idiot liar and what i saw was an illusion. ok thx.

Wrong.

See kids? this is how a retarded post looks like.

Go learn what timenudge actually does.

Because they can't handle getting out-aimed by people with higher ping.

Someone with a macro keyboard should record a sequence of dodges of different sizes. Then let a buddy record with fraps on different timenudges and different pings. Then put it on youtube so these types of arguments can be settled once and for all.

The burden of proof is on the idiots who say it affects your model.

oh, familiar problem, try to fix your hand on a table and squezze your mouse more hardly by the hand. train clear moves of your hand( on XY)
But during the match, you must understand that in different moments you must regulate power of mouse squezzing, position of your hand and many more "physic apects". For example... as for me iam relax my hand when just moving on map, but if iam shooting with opponent my hand is strain, cause shotting demand fast and clear hand moves.
P.S. sorry for my english, i'll be glad if someone fix my text )

gets much better at night. dunno why. I'll try that.:) your eng is fine:P

Put more weight on your arm by slightly leaning on it