its ctf on overlord probably very late

WHO CARES

the 12 tier one noobs on blue care but dont' worry they wont' care for much longer. success right? Plus notice it's on a premium server. Not exactly a good way to retain the paying customers either....

saying who cares was mostly to imply that i dont

what ql server do you play on. Maybe we should send incubus and friends there and we'll see how much you care then. Ya that's what i thought. You're like the t ypical voter who doesn't care until his government bombs your house and charges you 80% taxes. Then you care....

i see .se/.ger/.nl server and join, if not playing duel, i dont really care if opponents are better than me

why?

fine dont' care then. i understand, you don't play ctf and you dont' play on us servers. fair enough. next

Ray.. lol.

This battle has always been winnable, from the beginning till now, but you still don't see it.

To win, you have to cut off the head off of this snake, kill the general of the opposing army, usurp syncerror of his throne.

This is easy to accomplish. What has syncerror and his team been doing since the inception of quakelive? They have been focusing their efforts on the TIER System. All the resources of id/zenimax/bethesda has been for this implementation of tiers and the adsystem.

What can you prove ray? You just have to lay the facts out straight, don't accuse anyone of anything just insinuate and let whoever is in charge make the correlation, that syncerror is harboring tier slummers and undermining the whole project of quakelive and mismanaging the game.

He is destroying that which he intends to craft and wasting id's own money with this simple fact.

People get pissed off easily when they know their cash is being used with reckless abandon or wasted by stupidity.

Just get all your facts and screenshots lined up, write a summary of events - leave cheaters out. (makes you paranoid) and send emails to important people, stressing that you are a loyal dog of the community that wants to see it shine, and that syncerror is a turd trying to fuck it all up.

I know you have the proof already, he can be removed, you just need to inform the right people.

Easy son. (btw nobody give sync my fucking ip, cuz he's totally gonna ban me for this)

[Also ray, before you send the emails, edit every single post on this site, to a ',' so that sync can't point to them and claim you are a lunatic, cuz if he can prove that u are unstable, nobody in from bethesda/zenimax will believe your shit]

aren't you just on a crusade because these guys are in some way affiliated with id software employees? let it go ray, it's getting sad.

Ray is still all emotionally decimated because syncerror chose incubus over him in their little love triangle.

haha. +2

tierslumming didn't affect the userbase. These aren't the droids you're looking for. Move along. Move along

Forget who is playing for a second. Just take a look at those frag/death + acc % differences. That is not skillmatched correct? Do you not think people came to quake live thinking they could play others at their skill level, because... wait for it.... ID Advertised the game as such?

Where's the crackdown on these types of players. These kinds of games are hurting the playerbase as much as the detlews in ql. You know why they're not cracking down on tucker and incubus, but why do we, as a community, condone it?

Is it cool? Does it give you a hardon? Is it the noobs fault for getting plastered by those 2 tier 4 players?

so my assumption was correct? nice.

you're an imbecile, who isn't even able to hide his intentions in the slightest. turn your attention somewhere else ray, you will get over that broken heart of yours eventually.

what's sad is the fact that you can't see the correlation between these players and the devs. They are being protected for something that many others have been banned for.

I'll tell you a little story

Back when i played quake 1 (yes the pre qw version) i used to own up the xs4all ffa servers.

Then someday a guy (bforce) came along, spotted my talent and told me there was such a thing as qw , i was like "sure i'll try'.

And what do you know, i got owned for months and months. Did that discourage me? No. Did that encourage me? Yes very much so because i knew i could be as good as them.

Skill matching is not the answer, the problem is not the game, its the mentality of people in 2011

That's a good point even though there is a mentality of stacking teams. But really, the game plays like shit now after their "so called fix" the game plays like trash and gives you the impression there is no skill in this game. Their fucking changing the game to shit.

Makes you so fucking angry when prior to this "so called fix" people were good aimers and to be happy with it and then this fix to come along and everything is fucked the game just doesn't play good anymore, it's misery to see this happen. They didn't need to fix what wasn't broke, they need to fix what is broke-the crashes and the rest of the junk, not the hitboxes so everyone can be no skill and hit like strenx.

The hitboxes is part of the issue but its surely not the main thing, even with the new easier aiming i can still see a lot of skill difference even on tier 4 .Not to toot my own horn but i still aim better than 90 % of all tier 4 players by occasionally playing.

Yeah, dedicated servers would be great. Tryt o make the publics skillmatched with a better skillmatch system, and let the private servers have the mix. But I guess with the small community and the skillmatch system being kinda broke it still wouldn't matter for the pubs. But with there are just too many 8-0 ctf games going on.

Being able to LAN would be great, Quake is an awesome game but so much is missing that you can't just have an intranet game within your local network. Maybe they make a real Quake 5 and learn from mistakes and let dedicated servers happen as well as LAN on a DVD and use QuakeLive as an supplement or something. Yeah with the publics being what it is it's not competitive.

but why do we, as a community, condone it?

The community doesn't condone it, they just don't give a shit. Why is this so hard for you to understand? You focus on the least important issues, and things that are of absolutely no consequence to this site.

YOU don't give a shit because you hate quake live and want it to fail.

No, nobody gives a shit except you. You only care because you're bitter that you didn't get the job.

NOBODY? lol. Many people do, they just don't post here or anywhere for that matter of fact. Why? Because they dont' stick around the game long enough to bother. It's the few, like me, who stuck it out, against punks like you who talk trash in game and stack teams and finish games 5v2. God forbid a "noob" would dare speak to an elite like yourself.

And lastly this has nothing to do with me. I wasn't even in the game. I'm not personally hurt that those 2 slummed 12 others. But i do feel tis' important to showcase what is happening on ql. Also, again, notice this is happening on premium servers without fail.

Go ahead, get the last word, it doesn't make you right. That screenshot is wrong, no matter how you spin in. That sort of thing should not be happening in quake live. Especially since they advertise the game as "skilmatched". Take skillmatched out of the equation and people's expectations will lower. Can you at least agree to that? oh wait,.. ya i forgot you just like disagreeing with everything i say.

inb4 , no you're the idiot, noone cares, noone absolutely noone just you, hahha. That's true the day this game dies, until then you don't speak for me or anyone else on north american ctf servers, premium or pub. You really dont' know what's going on there so you have no room to talk.

NOBODY? lol. Many people do, they just don't post here or anywhere for that matter of fact. Why? Because they dont' stick around the game long enough to bother.

That's what we call "making shit up". A lack of evidence does not mean that you can just fill in the gaps with whatever you want.

It's the few, like me, who stuck it out, against punks like you who talk trash in game and stack teams and finish games 5v2. God forbid a "noob" would dare speak to an elite like yourself.

Nice straw man. Too bad I don't ever talk in-game, other than to tell people to stop talking. I can't stack teams when I don't play games that allow team stacking.

And lastly this has nothing to do with me. I wasn't even in the game. I'm not personally hurt that those 2 slummed 12 others. But i do feel tis' important to showcase what is happening on ql. Also, again, notice this is happening on premium servers without fail.

That's the PROBLEM. None of it concerns you, none of it concerns us, and none of us care. It's not important to showcase anything with QL, since it is completely inconsequential. Even if it had any impact whatsoever (which it doesn't), it still doesn't matter since you're banned. Deal with it.

Go ahead, get the last word, it doesn't make you right. That screenshot is wrong, no matter how you spin in. That sort of thing should not be happening in quake live. Especially since they advertise the game as "skilmatched". Take skillmatched out of the equation and people's expectations will lower. Can you at least agree to that? oh wait,.. ya i forgot you just like disagreeing with everything i say.

No, I can't agree with that, because it doesn't matter. People didn't join QL for skill matching, they joined it because it was free. You can try to throw features at shit all you want, but the game is still shit. Even if it had perfect skill matching and ladders, the game would still struggle to keep par with Q3.

inb4 , no you're the idiot, noone cares, noone absolutely noone just you, hahha. That's true the day this game dies, until then you don't speak for me or anyone else on north american ctf servers, premium or pub. You really dont' know what's going on there so you have no room to talk.

Make up your mind. Is the game dead or not? You have this schizo-like approach at both attacking and defending QL. You desperately seek validation for your ban, but you're never going to get it. They didn't throw you out because of bad management, they did it because you're a mentally unstable idiot.

You've given me another reason to look forward to the death of QL - you'll no longer have anything to talk about.

I can't stack teams when I don't play games that allow team stacking.

good point. In CTF however, you can.

A lack of evidence does not mean that you can just fill in the gaps with whatever you want.

lack of evidence? there's about 40 screenshots in incubus' thread. And what more do you need?

You desperately seek validation for your ban, but you're never going to get it. They didn't throw you out because of bad management, they did it because you're a mentally unstable idiot.

my ban has absolutely nothing to do with the 12 people who were slummed to death in the screenshot i posted.

you'll no longer have anything to talk about.

and that is why you hate me. I get people talking about quake live while you want people to forget about it. I don't know what you're worried about. You and i both know nothing will change with id and the writing is already on the wall.

People didn't join QL for skill matching, they joined it because it was free. You can try to throw features at shit all you want, but the game is still shit. Even if it had perfect skill matching and ladders, the game would still struggle to keep par with Q3

yes and no. Yes it's nothing compared to q3. Yes the game is still shit after 3 years, but i can't 100% agree with you that people didn't join ql for skillmatching. I know many who did. How many, neither of us knows. The free part was certainly a big reason, but i think most of those players left already when subscriptions were announced. The majority of players left now, want fair games and an equal playing field. They stick around hoping for the best...

good point. In CTF however, you can.

Who gives a shit? It has nothing to do with me.

ack of evidence? there's about 40 screenshots in incubus' thread. And what more do you need?

That's not evidence of newbs having a problem with it. Again, the only one crying about it is you, and it has no impact on you. It wouldn't even have an impact on you if you weren't banned, but you are.

my ban has absolutely nothing to do with the 12 people who were slummed to death in the screenshot i posted.

Your screenshot has nothing to do with YOU. You do not speak for them.

and that is why you hate me. I get people talking about quake live while you want people to forget about it. I don't know what you're worried about. You and i both know nothing will change with id and the writing is already on the wall.

No, I hate you because you're an idiot who thinks that this is the QL forums. You're a newb among veterans. I know nothing will change, which is why I'm telling you to shut up. You're not changing anything, and you're just wasting space.

Your screenshot has nothing to do with YOU. You do not speak for them.

actually i do. i speak for CTF because i know the problems plaguing that gamemode. And it's not just on US servers. The system that balances players in game is flawed. There's no auto balance and shuffle is broken. Games can still start 5v2. That doesn't happen in CA because of the restrictions put on it.

It wouldn't even have an impact on you if you weren't banned, but you are.

actually, wrong. I've been speaking out about tierslumming/stacking way before i was banned. That is what pip was for. I dont' care that i'm banned. I do care however, that id continues to neglect CTF and moreover the persons responsible for killing the playerbase on US Servers.

You're a newb among veterans

nice elitist attitude. That didn't kill this game either....

That's not evidence of newbs having a problem with it

yes newbs love getting raped by better players. how could i forget. it's their favorite pasttime to login and get owned. Who doesn't want that. That is a good indication of the popularity of quake live. Amirite? LOLOLOL

I know nothing will change, which is why I'm telling you to shut up.

i know nothing will change as well but i'm documenting the failures of id. So they can't just walk away from the project and do the same thing with Quake 5.

actually i do. i speak for CTF because i know the problems plaguing that gamemode. And it's not just on US servers. The system that balances players in game is flawed. There's no auto balance and shuffle is broken. Games can still start 5v2. That doesn't happen in CA because of the restrictions put on it.

No, you don't. You speak for yourself, and you can't even speak for yourself in reference to QL since you're banned.

nice elitist attitude. That didn't kill this game either....

This is ESR, not the QL forums - this is specifically a forum for elitists. We made up less than 1% of QL players when QL went live, so elitism had nothing to do with the downfall of the game. Few of us have ever even posted on the QL forums. Deal with it.

yes newbs love getting raped by better players. how could i forget. it's their favorite pasttime to login and get owned. Who doesn't want that. That is a good indication of the popularity of quake live. Amirite? LOLOLOL

It's not an indication of anything, as it only shows that people ARE playing the games. If they didn't want to play it, they could quit. The most you can infer from your screenshots is that the people playing do not care.

i know nothing will change as well but i'm documenting the failures of id. So they can't just walk away from the project and do the same thing with Quake 5.

Your posts are not documentation, they are a waste of space that will be lost to ESR within a month. If you want to rage about your ban, go make a blog.

this is specifically a forum for elitists.

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep talking down to new players, that will keep them around. Oh wait, that's the idea isn't it. To shut people up so they leave quake live. To invalidate them, to make them ragequit, to rape them in games. To cause the destruction of Quake live. Well, i must say, you''re succeeding. Congratulations?

for someone who doesn't care about quake live you certainly hang around these forums a lot. haha

This is not a QL forum, and I fully intend to start serious SC2 coverage here when the QL fags GTFO. You included.

There's a lot of QL fags for you to get rid of, including incubus who isn't going anywhere so long syncerror protects him.

I'd rather have him here than you.

I sure hope thats sarcasm, because if not well that will never happen, we don't like button mashing contests (aka sc2) here

SC2 is so much more deep than Quake.

Do try to make a post without editing, ya?

You see, we don't care if elitism drives away newbs, as it is inconsequential to this site. If the internet had skill matching, ESR would be top tier, and you would be placed in the bottom tier. You're way out of your league here, and you have nothing of value to offer in discussion.

It's your fault for coming here, not ESR's fault for being elitist.

"for someone who doesn't care about quake live you certainly hang around these forums a lot. haha "

Am I the only one seeing the irony in this?

would read again. +'d

Sorry dude you already got owned here :)


And pulling 11 frags on me (4 of which were garbage time) after a few hours duel practice without a config, 60hz tft and a mouse pad covered in wax over the new year/holiday period is quite an awesome testament to my skill given I play less quake in a year than most regular players do in a week.

Dird was also pulling over 20 frags on me at that point and unlike you, he doesn't cheat.

wow thats quite a list of excuses.

Actually its quite a lot of facts.

Configs/monitors/mouse pads, mice with no feet and longterm inactivty will factor in hugely in a high tuned duel game like quake.

Trying to imply it does not only makes you biased, inaccurate and wrong because everyone knows its true.

cant you just take a loss and be done with it? not roll out excuses/facts why you lost

and out of interest...

when you are ship shape and warmed up what level do you see yourself in QL.. i.e. who do you think you could beat

I can take a loss no problem and often do, its just the whiney tards like you trying to make huge correlations to skill and talent which deserve to be exposed.

You seem to overlook obvious things which affect performance and pass them off as excuses and draw stark conclusions from them.

If you admitted or acknowledged the things you overlook, then we would not even be having this discussion becuse the you would realise the things you have said to invoke them would not be true.

Does inactivity affect performance?
Yes. hugely. Especially when we're talking years.

Does a 60 Hz tft affect performance?
Yes.

Does having no feet on your mouse affect performance?
YES

Does having candlewax on your mouse pad affect performance?
YES

I can keep on exposing the flaws in your discussion all day.

gees you overreact a lot.

someone posts a screenshot showing their victory over you.
instead of just saying "yea ok you won that one. ive won others before.. see you next time" you reeled off a post stating excuses/facts with evidence in screenshot form about why you lost.

you may not see it but everyone else just sees a bad loser making excuses.


you cant deny it sounds like that.

you're not actually reading his comments, are you?

They are not excuses they are just facts which you don't want to acknowledge becuase deep down you just want to whine at people.
especially those that eclipse you in the one demographic you previously thought you could make a mark in and there is diddly squat you can do but to whine and be misrepresenting.

Every single thing I said effects performance/score radically, yet when I point them out, you ignore the reality of my points and attribute them to making excuses, and that I should just somehow to admit to being beat.

I got beat yes, but the reason I got beat were due to circumstances which had nothing to do with my actual skill level, so the merit of beating me while those circumstances are true are irrelevant.

I kinda like you in a lot of comments but ultimately the ones like this one remind me youre just another insecure little kid looking for some love

ok, so you've played 4 days of quake live, you lose to dird and you still think you're talented.

I'm glad to have seen people like you.

I play a bit of quakelive a few times throughout the year, usually for a week or so with no form of setup then leave it for 6 months or so. Most of those hours are just mindless FFA.
I'm hugely inactive and never alias.

I could play dird right now and stay within 2 frags on that map if I tried, no problem. Or I can play loosely and lose by 20+.

and yet you think you're talented

I don't think I know.

have you ever considered signing up for a reality TV show or something? You'd win the interview with your confidence and would surely get picked, and the entirety of ESR would root for you.

its not about confidence its fact.

Does long term inactivity affect your game?
Does a 60hz TFT fuck up your shaft, rail?
Would worn mouse feet and an uneven mouse surface effect your game?

yes, all of those things are facts, positively undeniable facts, yet you somehow try to publically overlook them when it comes to me.

And then when I point out the facts you try and make out I'm over confident, when the reality is, you base your initial words on such lies that its easy to shoot them down. Not becuase I'm confident per se, but becuase you're by large inaccurate.

P.S.
If it was a gaming show sure.

I didn't overlook any of those. All of them matter. But you should easily and consistently beat dird at these conditions with that much or less practice to even think about considering yourself as talented lol.

The last time I was active in quake for any period of time in Quake this is what happened to dird.



I have been playing games long enough to know what factors have what impact on your game and the ones I mention are huge especially with the emphasis on rail and shaft. my point is you're trying to judge my skill based on irrelevant and unfair form and conditions on my part and making out like this is somehow the best of me so you can slag me off.

Implying I should be rolling people I used to despite not playing serious quake or games for that matter in 5/6 years is absurd because the paramenters of the game are not that deep.

I don't doubt my natural talent, but there is only so far that will take you before you need to put in hours, tweak those configs and play with optimum settings. Jsut ask CZM what time away has done for his game.

Quake is a higly tuned game where score does not always reflect the level of skill at the best of time. So unless you're in good form, its pointless.

Good lord... don't think I've ever seen such crap movement in Quake. Your dodging must be just as horrible.

so when you were active you managed to roll dird. You did not post any serious achievements, instead you opted for a video of you rolling dird.


You think if fatal1ty was to argue about his talent for quake, he would tell you that he would rape this random mid-skilled guy that currently has an edge over him, back when he was in his prime form? No, he'd point to his achievement list, for which he had to beat a myriad of world's top players. That's all he ever has to show, that's his proof. Do you have any proof?

A myriad of baftas.

y h8 =[

no hate intended, just an objective "you're bad at quake" ;P

i could be the next cooller...just the cum stained small mousepad & 60hz monitor preventing me reaching the next level ;p

Accuracy: 37%

Yeah, must be a cheater. THAT'S why you lost so hard.

Its easy to fake percentages.

If you have a girlfriend she probably fakes the odd groan with you to make you feel good.

So you're saying that you lost to a bot that was set to hit a shitty percentage? If you can't beat a bot hitting those kind of percentages, what chance would you have against a real player?

Bots can be configured/coded to do all sorts of things to avoid detection and due to the rate of fire from a shaft, it would be one of the easiest weapons to manipulate. At the most basic they can be turned on/off.

Again, you show no understanding for the topic your trying to discuss, yet you're trying to base conclusions off them just becaue its me.

So now you claim to have lost to an extremely advanced bot? Surely you have some evidence in your demo, right?

Nothing advanced about it, you can toggle aim on/off anytime.

As for proof, I think the situation with walter has proven that discussing the use of bots is by large pointless. Unless you are with them at LAN, its a waste of time.

So now what you are saying is that you literally have no evidence that he cheated?

Some situations in life are almost impossible to prove but you can still know within yourself its true.

You can get banned by punkbuster for cheating when you are not.

And you can get away with cheating when you are, seem sombra.

You can get accused of cheating by people when you are not. See walter.

you can get sent for jail for murder when you're innocnent.

Its poinltess and endless topic.

Some situations in life are almost impossible to prove but you can still know within yourself its true.

A delusion - it's called a delusion. Also known as faith. See: religion

http://www.esreality.com/files/misc/2011/8203...d-liar.swf

The first step is admitting it, so you've come a long way.

I have to hand it to you when you imagine something you stick to it , even tho reality flies right in its face.

Reality?

From a bunch of jobless bums whose emotional state is controlled by their performance in a 10 yr old videogame I must say its amusing.

You're right, inactivity does not matter, configs do no matter, 60hz does not matter.

haha.

what does any of that have to do with him cheating?

This then comes back to the point of why do you feel the need to justify yourself all the time?

Jamerio never lost a game in his life because of inferior skill.

Pretty sure if you take another random gamer and put him against Jamerio on a game neither has played, and the random gamer wins (he most likely would), Jamerio would blame the loss on bad luck or game imbalance or some other retarded shit his deranged brain would come up with.

Sad, sad individual.

Everything I have said is fact, if you can't handle it then its not my problem.

You can however find a small demographic of equally bitter failed gaming addicts online and have a really good go, but one pack of butter is better than a 10 tubs of margerine.

What I'm saying is that even on a hypothetical scenario where you play against someone who is under the exact same conditions you are, you'd still be able to come up with excuses.

Excuses are the only thing that he has practiced.

I'm simply replying to inaccurate statements about me.

for(i=1;;i++)
{ printf("excuse nr %d",i);
}

Only thing worse from posting little pseudo-codesnippets is getting them wrong.

What's wrong with it? Other than the fact that the output would be excuse nr 1excuse nr 2excuse nr 3 etc

edit: nm i see he edited it

some shit like

num = 1
for( i=0; i <= num; i++, num++)
{
printf("excuse nr %d\n",i);
}

if you try todo an eternal loop in php, your pc will be flooded and you will need a restart, script timeouts dont work if you fuck up using for()

fail.

I actually do agree that their slumming is probably driving quakelive numbers down even more than it would without it. I would probably rally or help ray if i didn't hate him for being fucking insane and annoying.

The best I can do is curb stomp incubus and make him run away from me when i join his servers. But he actually plays servers i cant even join now (too fucking low). Which is quite fucked up. When i used to slum, i ate tier 3s, they can shoot at me, move competently and try to kill me, few getting close. But i played maps with runes, armor regen + me? You ain't going to fucking kill me, i rail 60 and lg 40 on tier 4s. Tier 3s fall by the wayside vs me.

However picking on tier 1s and 2s? That's totally fucked up. This is like Mike Tyson beating up on 10 year old girls, as opposed to Mike Tyson owning the shit out of 20 year old punks that think they are good.

Anyway, syncerror is grossly incompetent, and should be fired. Seriously, hes fucking bad.

no offense taken. I admit i'm quite insane about incubus but you can only imagine why having to deal with him for 6 months straight. Now he's torturing the premium servers under his new account bleed_ and he's definitely making them bleed. I woudln't be surprised if a large majority of those players don't renew.

Syncerror is blatently incompetent alright. It's bad enough that he's doing nothing to stop these kinds of plaeyrs, but its' worse yet that he gives incubus special permission to do it. I honeslty believe incubus is his bodyguard and sends ted out to hunt people down he doesn't like. And now tucker is seemingly allowed the same.

Guilty by association. You can see the types of people syncerror surrounds himself with. It's quite telling of his mindset.

i'd hunt incubus on an alt account but i've got 1 already at tier 3 so if i make another i'm getting banned, as the new rule says u can only have 1 alt, and since im already on most ppls demo list, they'd totally think i hack and ban me, so can't do shit about that scrub.

I actually remember him challenging me to 1v1 after i destroyed him in a ctf game, it was so funny, we went to dm6 of all things and i 20-0'd him. He called me a slummer. What a prick.

oh don't worry i got a legion of players following him around throwing games each day. Incubus def won't be winning 95% of his games anymore hahaha. Oh the videos i have of him raging when he loses are epic i tell ya lololol. Funniest thing is, when he starts losing he blames the other team for... wait for it... STACKING... ahahhahahah .. .. what a deush lol

we need someone to actually bot the fucker, imagine that shit, follow his ass around with a bot. Maybe incubus would tell sync about how the bots keep following him and syncerror would do some actual fucking work and get a new anticheat.

good point. Syncerror will do whatever he can to protect his lover. Might get him to start working on an anti-cheat again. Oh and i'm fairly certain incubus, lollercopter, tucker and adrenal1ne all use something themselves. Yet another thing syncerror has turned his back on. See no evil, hear no evil eh syncerror?

tucker botting? that's rich

wallhacks are only used by noobs? lololol

lmao @ adren cheating. Show proof along with your accusations plox.

So who are you anyways? What's your ql name?

You sure talk a lot of crap for some random scrub

says anonymous, log in or fuck off, faggot

yeah tierslumming of 2 people is driving the number of people down that play quake.

it's driving down the North American CTF playerbase. And theyre' not the only 2 doing it.

Here are some names of current stackers/tierslummers

kujoe
weirdwolf/sabertooth
everybodypoops
indian_
ungod
nzo
xX_Britney_Xx
jove
Adrenal1ne
Koot
s7e
Wyrmwood
Metal4life
Mrgreen_
krasnal
Elite39
Av8r
Kolled
Wasabi
Out
andycreep
sad1stic
fattywhale
candyass

to name a few,..

Yeah but noone here cares about the AMERICAN SCRUB PUB CTF SCENE

haah that funny thing is u just listed tier 2-3 players. I really dont think they slum unless they play on some tier 1 shit

kujoe - tier 3/4
weirdwolf/sabertooth - tier 3/4
everybodypoops - tier 5 (if there were 5)
indian_ - tier 3/4
ungod - tier 4
nzo - tier 4
xX_Britney_Xx - tier 5 (if there were 5)
jove - tier 5 (if there were 5)
Adrenal1ne - tier 5 (if there were 5)
Koot - tier 5 (if there were 5)
s7e - tier 5 (if there were 5)
Wyrmwood - tier 3/4
Metal4life - tier 2/3
Mrgreen_ - tier 5 (if there were 5)
krasnal - tier 4
Elite39 - tier 5 (if there were 5)
Av8r - tier 4
Kolled - tier 4
Wasabi - tier 4
Out - tier 4
andycreep - tier 5 (if there were 5)
sad1stic - tier 5 (if there were 5)
fattywhale - tier 4
candyass - tier 2/3

and i do believe i mentioned who slums and who stacks, so not sure why you're putting a blanket statement on all of them. None of those players but candy and metal are tier 2. Thanks for the lies though, just invalidates what you said.

ur opinion is based on ur skill level i guess.. most of them are tier 2 for me and some (like 2 are tier 4)

Your quake live name is the same as your esr name? Also my skill level has nothing to do with it. It's based on having played 8000 ctf games with these guys and knowing how they all match up. They are not tier 2, sorry but that's just wrong, even if there are just 2 tiers on ctf on NA servers (3 and 4).

no the names arent the same

one more reason to improve in quake and play in the "highest" tier.

That only works to a certain extent. At some point, the game goes from "we lost, but it's close enough that I can see realistic room for improving to their level" and "200-17, I'm just going to watch some porn or something because this couldn't POSSIBLY be any more boring." There's a distinction and the majority of servers I come across in the states are full of slummers who loves to jack up their stats so they just stack the teams wildly and it is zero fun for the other team.

it seems like people's inclination to play versus players that are better than themselves has stopped altogether. I mean, isn't it the purpose of games in general? Get better by playing people that are above your level. But if people casually play QL to rape noobs then I can understand the dilemma. I have the feeling that changing the system won't help - you have to change the players attitude. Unless you have a match-making system like WC3/SC2 but I should stop dreaming :)

I mean, isn't it the purpose of games in general?

No, that would be competition. The purpose of a game is to have fun.

which comes with competition :/

No, that's just an opinion. Some people prefer cooperation, or just something easy to pass the time.

just so you euros are on the same page, this list of players is rather hilarious


kujoe - 1.2 months played, never heard of him, plays mostly space maps
weirdwolf/sabertooth - 6,100 games, 83% rocket use
everybodypoops - 877 games, most used gun: prox launcher
indian_ - mostly space maps, overall accuracy 14%
ungod - never heard of him, acct only 2 months old, losing record
nzo - just starting to learn competitive ctf
xX_Britney_Xx - rarely plays, possibly an alias
jove - never heard of him
Adrenal1ne - plays mostly CTF and TDM scrims/pickups
Koot - never heard of him
s7e - plays mostly CTF pickups and scrims
Wyrmwood - inactive, havent seen him in awhile
Metal4life - never heard of him
Mrgreen_ - plays mostly CTF pickups/scrims
krasnal - 45% CTF win ratio
Elite39 - 850 games in 18 months
Av8r - semi-active, probably has real life going on
Kolled - never heard of him
Wasabi - inactive
Out - never heard of him
andycreep - CA player
sad1stic - inactive
fattywhale - havent seen him much lately save for ESR
candyass - PUB ctf player, 1,300 quits


Most of the people on this list are just better than you, and the people you are accusing of ruining your games play far more competitive pickup style games than you are willing to admit.

First of all, before i even bother with the list below, people should know you mostly play pickups 90% of the time and a large majority of the players below aren't premium members hence why you might not know them, but many of them have been around in ql for a long time now.

kujoe - 1.2 months played, never heard of him, plays mostly space maps

the dude plays every map, mostly plays last morning-afternoon. if you look at his games from last week. He only lost once and usually by blow out margins (8-2). That's his regular routine (from stacking). When people throw games or try to screw with him for stacking like they did this week, then lol you see a vastly different player. This dude along with weirdwolf are 2 of the worst on na ctf ql servers when it comes to stacking. They're total pussies.

weirdwolf/sabertooth - 6,100 games, 83% rocket use

So? what does that have to do with it? he stacks games like nobody's business.

everybodypoops - 877 games, most used gun: prox launcher

He's an alt slummer and uses every weapon. I've hardly ever seen him use mines. Either way, once again, what does his weapon use choice have anything to do with it? Are you trying to say he's a noob? He's no noob. Not only is he slumming on this alt account, stacking teams, but he'll blame his team every game calling them useless, regardless if he's winning or not. He's just a troll who is seemingly out to get people to quit ql. Either way, he's doing everything humanly possible to make people ragequit, from his own team even. The dude needs a ban bad, but i know nothing will happen....

indian_ - mostly space maps, overall accuracy 14%

So? can't stack on space maps? lol dude

ungod - never heard of him, acct only 2 months old, losing record

many people believe he cheats. Besides that point he tries to stack at any opportunity.

nzo - just starting to learn competitive ctf

so mid tier 4's don't stack? your reasons are so stupid.

xX_Britney_Xx - rarely plays, possibly an alias

now i know you didn't even check any of these profiles. He plays on average 2 hours a day. But yes it's an obvious alias, his lg would rape you in seconds.

jove - never heard of him

http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/matches/jo...fd90/ctf/1
same score as mythz. And i'm sure you've lost to mythz many times before yourself, dont' even try to say otherwise.
http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/statistics...fd90/ctf/1
red had what? vibration?

i'd add mythz to the list if i cared enough, he def belongs there as well.

Adrenal1ne - plays mostly CTF and TDM scrims/pickups

Yes, but when he does play on pub servers it's with incubus (they are in same irc channel). And ofcourse play on same team..... And adrenal1ne doesn't cheat you say? hahahhaha
http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/matches/mr...fd90/ctf/1

explain that one dude. 60-5 against top players. almost 50% total accuracy. Ya he doesn't toggle. lololol

Koot - never heard of him

He usually plays on kolled's team and thus gets lots of 8-0 wins out of that tandom. It's another alias hence why you dont' see him too often but he could give you a good match.

s7e - plays mostly CTF pickups and scrims

same clan as incubus, mrgreen_ and yourself. nuff said. He has changed a lot from last year. He was once a very fair guy, cool and would switch teams to even things. But ever since he joined your group .... It's really sad to see but it just shows how terrible you guys must be if you were able to turn s7e, who was one of the nicest guys playing last year,

Wyrmwood - inactive, havent seen him in awhile

haven't seen him in 2 weeks? really? that's your excuse? the dude plays 2-3 hours a day otherwise. Just check his matches from 2-4 weeks ago. Oh wait, ya you never looked at any of these profiles from the start.

Metal4life - never heard of him

He's a tier 3 scrub who stacks for wins. An extreme whiner.when he starts losing and usually ragequits like platinum3x does every time.

Mrgreen_ - plays mostly CTF pickups/scrims

again, in clan feast. nuff said. He was once a decent guy too and used to play fair switching teams when needed, but like s7e, got corrupted by you and incubus. Thanks for converting over another guy to the dark side.

krasnal - 45% CTF win ratio

that must mean he doesn't "try" to stack amirite? amirite? lol noob. He's just a poor stacker because he doesn't play enough and doesn't know all the alt slummers that make new accounts every day so routinely makes bad decisions but you'll see him switching before game starts many times. Oh wait ya, you only play premium maps, ya stfu you don't know shit about him.

Elite39 - 850 games in 18 months

alt slummer dude. he's only lost 5 games in the last 71. Check his games dipshit he routinely gets first in points, gets all caps and has higher accuracy then everyone else. People think he toggles, i tend to agree. He's nothing but a stacking slummer. He plays just like incubus, same moves and everything, just sayin....

Av8r - semi-active, probably has real life going on

this doesn't even merit a response. Everyone knows av8r is one of the biggest crybabies/stacker/slummer/racist on all of quake live. Whether or not he's semi-active, because that's true, has nothing to do with the way he plays. The dude should have been banned ages ago but......

Kolled - never heard of him

plays routinely with koot. They're friends and use teamspeak together. He's not at koot's level though

Wasabi - inactive

yup. But he was, much like av8r, one of the worst in 2010. You would frequently see him hanging out in spec like weirdwolf, waiting to join the best team 3 minutes into the game. You know damm well that's true since you were in many of those games yourself on your old tugga_ account last year, dont' lie. And he has a new account now....

Out - never heard of him

alt slummer/stacker. New account...

andycreep - CA player

he's played 1700 ctf games. When he does play he stacks like a whore. Don't even try to say otherwise, you know he's notorious for it. Him and platinum3x are some of the old school 2009 stackers along with av8r. He has converted over to ca in the past 8 months but he was once an avid ctf player.

sad1stic - inactive

got the wrong spelling. You know damm well who he is though.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/premium1t.jpg/

He plays on premium servers quite often, you're simply lying if you're telling me you haven't run into him especially with the fact that he plays 2-3 hours a day. liar

fattywhale - havent seen him much lately save for ESR

he's played about 2-3 hours a day EVERY SINGLE DAY in the past 4 weeks. (hasn't missed 1 day). And without checking every one of his premium games (might do so later) i am calling you a liar now since he has a pro account. And once again, that doesn't have anythign to do with it. The dude stacks. I should know, i was in his fucking clan (focal point)...

candyass - PUB ctf player, 1,300 quits

yes, he quits every game he's in if he's not on the stacked team. He is currently THE WORST stacker in north america. He wills tay in spec and join the winning team midway through or go to spec if he starts losing again and then rejoins winning team. He's everything that is wrong with CTF but like Gragor (who joined the winning team last second for win), NOTHING is being done about the fucker as he continues to ruin games for people. H'es played almost 8,000 games since aug 2009 so you can imagine the effect he's had on that playerbase. But NO, instead of doing what's right, Syncerror does nothing.

anyway fu man, when you played on your tugga_ account you were doing the damm same thing and you know it. I've got numerous screenshots of you getting 100+ frags in pub games and if i ever get really bored this winter i'll post those for people to see, but anyone playing on NA servers knows how you used to be and there's an obvious reason you're trying to defend the above stackers. Now go back to playing premium pickup games with the same 20-30 people you play with every night and keep telling the userbase on the ql forums that premium is active. Lying sack of shit.

I have played maybe 2 games of pub ctf in the past 2 months. All of my games are pickups. please spend more time researching your accusations (lol?)

??? lol wut? When did i deny that you play a lot of premium games. In fact i said quite the opposite "since he has a pro account". Whether or not you play pickups is besides the point. Just because you turned a corner somewhat like tucker doesn't change your sorry past. You are trying to pretend you weren't one of the biggest stacking/quitting crybabies from 2010.

wow man. I don't know where you come up with this stuff. You are a really sick person.

you have serious mental problems! I would hate to see what you're like with women.

good one. I'm just not a lazy sack of shit like yourself and i actuallly do my homework. You should probably do the same.

Ummm... you're obsessing over a shitty video game..literally following multiple people around. you have the makings of a serial rapist/killer/ child molester.....sad

the next ted bundy...you heard it here first folks!
perhaps a john wayne gacy?


you arent doing anything to help. you're actually ruining the game cooloutac... i mean raythenoob.... faggot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

there never was a tier system in q3.... get over it...pussy... go back to cs

q3 also wasn't advertised as having one... whereas ql....

You're right, a quake live critic = serial rapist. Good analogy. When you get out of 6th grade come back and try again

as far as coolout and anyone else who disagrees with the status quo goes: realize that not everyone thinks like you. You're trapped in a bubble if you think otherwise.

you're far more than a critic...you have gigabytes of screen shots...save irc convos... follow syncerror and whomever you think he associates with around....all the slummers...aimbotters...ect ect ....and for how long?

You should seriously be reported to the police..you are liable to physically hurt someone. I would not be surprised at this point to read and article here in the next 6 months detailing how you found an ID staff members address and literally bludgeoned them to death....you are fucking obsessive and fucking nuts....and why he mods don't ban you... cuz you're so sad...its funny.

you post syncerrors kids player names....how fucked up are you?
like people here are going to troll 7 yr olds because you're fucking obsessed.... serious mental issues!

q3 also wasn't advertised as having one... whereas ql....

Where was QL advertised as having anything? You can't even keep your arguments straight.

I'm curious to know how long it took you to make this post, and whether or not it felt worthwhile to you.

i can outtype just about everyone on this forum, so not very long.

now go slum the noobs out of the game. That's what you're best at.

Damn. Didn't realize i missed the ESR typing competition this year.

What I find interesting is that many of the people you highlight as ruining the game/tier slummers are the same people you've previously identified on your own clan boards as the best players:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/651/81201125848pm.png/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/6/81201130434pm.png/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/844/81201130519pm.png/

Granted this was a while ago but I found it rather ironic as I started searching for some of these names and saw postings about how good these people were on your own board.

I, personally, stopped playing because of it. I mean everyone once in a while you expect it to happen, but it's EVERY single server I would join would be slummers stacking teams so unbelievably one-sided that it is zero fun whatsoever. I don't pretend to speak for everyone, but it's much more common than you think, and I'm sure there are several others besides myself who stopped playing because of how annoying it can be on QL servers here.

okay, yeah you might .. I mean it is hard for me to judge the situation because I am basically playing with the top 100 in Europe and therefore this is not a big problem for me. It is kind of sad though when tierslummers are the reasons why people stop playing. It is all going to end soon, just stay tuned :P

It is all going to end soon, just stay tuned :P

inb4 horrible failure

Tierslumming will end? or the game itself?

tierslumming will end? ROFLLAMOLOLOLOLROFL? so long as id allows alt accounts, 2 tiers instead of 4 in ctf and so long guys like incubus are harbored, tierslumming will never end. Syncerror will see to that personally.

The game won't end either, syncerror needs a game to map for and he needs pros to watch on his time off (in between mapping).

Why aren't you happy for him?

raymond =(
never stop?

Someone's gotta do it man. That prick is just as bad as detlew. And if he's not slumming with tucker, then its' with adrenal1ne and mrgreen_. History repeats itself again (see clan eq (av8r, lollercopter). Syncerror condoned it then, and he condones it now and continues to invite incubus into private clan .403 games with his kids on fridays Now what's that tell you about syncerror if he allows his 2 kids (starbuck/ninjak) to play with the very guy who is slumming the crap out of na ctf servers. What a great rolemodel.

That is terrible, how do people even find that entertaining?
Glad here in AU we don't do that shit, let the newbies have their fun

Jesus Christ get over it lol.

Its one dude. Stop trying to turn ESR into your personal army over whatever schoolgirl fight you had with Sync/Incubus. Zealot is right, its just getting sad.

one dude? Did you not notice tucker's score in that game? And they're not the only ones doing this. Back in the days there were but a handful of players able to come up with a score like that (jamesbondgirl being one of them), but now you got a whole host of people mimicking what incubus does. Why? because id never took care of it. Much like the cheating, people see the loopholes and are taking advantage of it.

i wasn't even in the game idiot. i'm speaking up for what's right and in this case whta's wrong. That is one reason why id failed. The reason i'm not giving it a rest is because it's still going on and still without any word from id that they're going to punish the individuals doing this on a daily basis. Word which wiill never come because of the people involved, and therein lies the issue.

Yeah, one dude. There are a million others that do the same shit all the time. And yeah, he's a fucking loser and a detriment to the game, but its a little sad that you have to go all stalker and then come over here and make some big post about it. Calm down, go outside or something.

It's that attitude, hiding facts, that has killed progress. People need to own up to the issues that plagued this game. I suppose it doesn't matter anymore, but the problem with inaction is that these same players, guys like tucker, incubus, etc will just leave ql and do the same thing in rage or quake 5 or w/e comes out next from id. Then the whole cycle repeats itself. The reason this community (q3 and ql) haven't improved is because people keep reverting to the same mistakes they made previously

To non-Americans:

Please don't judge America too harshly based on people like ray and fudge911. We're not all obsessed with QL tiers and stats. Most of us are pretty mentally stable people, I swear.

QuakeLive's atmosphere does provoke the topic of fairness and class and doesn't necessarily mean mental instability. Americans have always had a strong passion for what they think is right and wrong or what justice is, and for many of the games that go on in the pubs of QuakeLive it does strike nerves---but the old America is kinda fading away so those virtues may be viewed as insane now. The aliasing and tierslumming just adds a level of dishonesty to the game. You would think that these people who continually rape the servers almost by themselves would get bored and play more competitive games but you cannot expect such-it's just about punking out the weak-that is the central motive behind many of these players. That does strike against an American value of fairness.

True enough it's id's fault for letting their skill system be so broke.

But, class war has always gone on in America, the rich vs the poor, in QuakeLive it's the elites vs the casuals. Just like in the past in America the owners have used lethal force against the strikers who fought for better wages, you have the elites in QuakeLive who see fit to try to make the casuals have a shit time.

That is also another funny thing about Americans, Americans vote and participate in democracy yet they vote for people who will not serve their best interests hahaha. What is the point of a democracy if you have people who will vote outside of their interests? Bill Maher hit that nail right on the head on that one hahah.

yeah, the haymarket riot and this, completely on the same level. retard.

Yes that's what makes it funny. Of course I am no great comedian, but taking a parallel even if not on same level and exaggerating it a bit makes it funny.

sup commie

Ah yes, says the guy who doesn't believe cheaters exist on quake live. Congratulations on that denial.

Also, if it's so insane to think that tierslummers like incubus have ruined the na ctf playerbase, then tell me, where did they go? You know damm right it's a big reason this playerbase is gone now. CTF was ignored and the issue of tierslumming/stacking was as well.

tucker is incubus?

no bleed_ is

bleed is tucker?

nvm, that was a dumbass question. felt like kitten for a second

lol

Indeed, it's such a rarity to see you posting dumb questions.

Congrats, this has raythenoob seal of approval all over the place

- random pictures of scores on imageshack, check
- accusations of id employees tier slumming, check
- random CTF pub match that no one really cares about, check

Yet to come:
- paranoia that I, or anyone opposing ray, is secretly working for id
- "game was better when xtruder posted on old forums" gimmick
- overly retarded internet slang

knock yourself out.

oh it's not random. You'll find those scores in their games history many times over.

yes public servers, let's not give any weight to them. good idea. Let's put all emphasis on the competitive aspect of quake live and forget the casuals. Brilliant!!! Let's see where that gets this game... oh wait....

dumbass

oh but, since you didn't click on the img,... it was on a premium server O.O You think those people paid a years subscription to be raped like that?

That's why dedicated private servers work, you can filter and ban who you don't want to play with and play with who you want. The Qlive system you cannot prevent the trolls from joining your server-session.


It's an easy thing for id to do too to make a banlist or whatever that can be loaded of names and they can get a disconnect if they try to join. But id doesn't really give a shit and the game crashes more now than it did back in the beta. You cannot hope to get more new content probably only old regenerated maps that were already played years ago, so yeah who really gives a shit?

Yeah, the constant new account creations and aliases only make it exploitive for id's true numbers of players who are currently playing and make the game shit. It's the rape culture at its finest with all those lovely tight games of 8-0 and the peeps who are now hitting over 75+ rail and 40+ lg laffing their asses off. They laugh the most because I look at my browser and all these games are always on down arrow servers--it doesn't really matter how you win-just that you get the win, and especially if it's a humliating win with a stack that's the main goal-hence the term -rape culture-. It is like having a tournament that has pro players, amateur players and casuals for your local basketball league, and the dipshit who runs the event stacks the pros against the casuals--that's basically Quakelive in a nutshell.

how else are they going to win

spoken like a real tierslummer. You're killing your own playerbase man, what's left of it. Very smart doing it on premium too, that will just ensure more people dont' resubscribe. idiot

You got raped. Stop crying.

ah yes troll tell me all about it... oh wait i wasn't in the game.....god forbid someone has the balls to stand up for those 12 people. we can't have that

I'm 99% sure it was a devpick game, and jetpacks were hella fun. Only games active though had bad players. I don't feel sorry for you getting shit on, because I've been there, and I don't suck anymore.

I would never have allowed the game to start with those teams. Also how many more screenshots will it take for you to realize they do this thing all the time, There's a reason they were on the same team man... stacking, it does happen....

You should talk about this game in your bi-weekly psychiatrist appointment. It is clearly causing you a lot of stress.

deny deny deny.

tierslumming/stacking doesn't exist on quake live, these aren't the droids you are looking for. move along. move along.

what did he 'deny'?

he wasn't talking about tierslumming/hacking/quakelive at all, he said you were a lunatic. now who's in denial here :?

changing the subject wont' stop the issue of tierslumming/stacking and it certainly won't stop other people from leaving the game because of it. Learn to deal with it proactively instead of hiding it or pretending it doesn't exist. If you really think it's not driving noobs away, then your head is truly in the sand...

hm, i also wasn't talking about quakelive... at all. l2read.

rofl taking pictures of a DEVPICK, times are indeed getting desperate for you.

What's sad is you playing on 100's of alt accounts, creating a clan of players who you stack games with , slumming tier 2 servers and your obsession with your stats. And really? you'er going to deny that you don't do this every single game? Devpick or not? lol you're a pussy dude.

http://imageshack.us/f/37/incubusbot.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/807/incubusbot1.jpg/

http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/matches/bl...fd90/ctf/1

Stop talking about cheaters you stupid fuck. It does no good, let vile take that fight. Focus your shit on 1 topic.

This is why everyone fucks with you, you're all over the fucking place, it makes u look paranoid. I'm dat 1 nigga that can see where you are going but you fuck it up.

You aren't that guy from the twilight zone where everyone is changed but you are the same, instead you are that homeless guy that rants the truth but since u smell like shit, no one is going to stand around to talk to you.

Shape up, fuck.

FOCUS NIGGA.

- Tier 4s slumming tier 1s.
-Syncerror friends with the slummers.
- Actual proof of slumming driving away tier 1 shitties.
- Actual proof that incubitch + others create fresh accounts to farm tier 1s that can't even shoot straight

you're not the only one who sees where he is going
i kinda respect his drive but you said it, he's all over the place and it comes off like he's a fucking lunatic
i wish bethesda (yeah, i said it) actually cared to help this game before it's completely gone

i'll try harder but there's so many things wrong with this game.

lately i've found myself summarizing Quake Live n this respect:

""Id simply did not know who to market the game to, so they tried catering to both which only complicated the issues at large causing countless # of unproductive updates and steps in the wrong direction.

Their constant redirection at the behest of Bethesda, focus group members and others in power positions led to their slow demise and sealed the fate for quake as a whole.""

gg

Wait a second... Q3 didn't have skill-matching and I'm sure there were games that turned out like this. I get the part about cheaters, but why the sudden interest in skill-matching when the game its based on DIDN'T have any and still managed to become on of the top games of its kind?

I admit its frustrating sometimes playing people that are much better, but you have 2 choices- get better or tier down.

I mean, Strenx played a wallhacker and beat him. Certainly we're not all top-level players like that, but isn't it the same anyway?

the thing about the new tier matching stuff is that it can be ABUSED by only joining servers with a arrow down compared to Q3 where you prly didn't know who you played anyway

You're an awful person.

tierslumming doesn't exist on ql. it's not a problem. it's not driving noobs away. nothing to see here. Go back to a very vibrant quake live community and to a game that is advertised everywhere with lots of sponsors and viewers..... oh wait.....

uhu

I don't care about your nerd problems, mate.

When the playerbase shrinks in your locale, the same thing will happen to you.

I couldn't care less about your playerbase.

You niggas know me. I tell it as it is. Say the truth where it stands. Look evil in the eye and spit on that nigga. Never blink when faced with any type of onslaught. Sword of Damocles? fuck that nigga, if it falls i toss that bitch back up, i ain't even care.

But since I'm a man capable of extending my rationale and logical sense to the mentally challenged, I am now able to identify with raythenutjob.

Here are facts about him:
He can see tier 4s stomping tier 1s and 2s.
He also sees Quakelive userbase, which is shit, but is the same as quake 3 was.
He then sees syncerror in the same clan as the tier slummers
And he sees cheaters everywhere, lots of cheaters playing tier 2 FFA/instagib and that shit - right where raytheshit plays

Raytheshit is actually not so paranoid, he is connecting dots. Of course we hard core niggas that were born from battle in quake, getting destroyed over and over we're built for pain and endurance. But these soft ass console bitches ain't that way, they weak, they be pussies yo. They need hand holding and to be spoon fed victories and wins.

This is a new generation son. Quake either evolves or it dies.

We know the deeper the fall, the more glorious the rise, but these newbs want instant gratification, and having someone stomp your ass is only going to drive em away.

What I want and probably ray in his psycho babble bullshit, is a community with the same # of players as TF2.

Yea you can say its impossible, with your elite bullshit about how hard quake is, but nah nigga if you DO separate newbs and let casuals stay in tier 1 fucking each other in the ass, you can reach that number. 50,000 shitties in tier 1, will create maybe 50 tier 4 players for us to play with, sound good amirite?

i sent that email to bethesda in 2009 already. With plenty of proof. They're not paying attention which is quite obvious.

Oh and in regards to you saying i'm not good enough to notice a cheater, dawg, i outed over 30 of them in the past 3 years. All of them , but digitalhunter (although i heard he's banned now too) got a ban out of it. I've played enough to know what it looks like and the fact that i made numerous leaderboards, which actually make me an expert in lg/rail percentage norms in ql, should be credibility enough. I know the range most pros hit (lg wise) and i know when someone hits 46%+ lg routinely that something is up. I could probably spot a cheater before you

And in regards to hiding my posts? wtf for? Almost every one of them includes a screenshot, some sort of proof to back up my claims. But again, it doesn't matter because Bethesda gave syncerror complete control. Syncerror is sadly the problem plaguing this game at the moment. And i've already posted all that proof that he harbors slummers and befriends them in my "the truth about incubus" post and elsewhere. Syncerror getting replaced is an obvious must but after the failure of this past year, and the fact that bethesda still hasn't done anything a week after ql was dropped, etc shows they are probably not going to invest any more time into this project post-quakecon and wont waste their time bothering to replace sync since they put ql in the garbage bin.

You've got to actually send the emails to specific people in charge. I'm sure you've got way more screens and proof now that syncerror is shit. Redo it, if you are actually trying to change quake, now is the time. Send out the same email, to like 10 important ppl that work for bethesda/zenimax/id. It has to go to the right people.

And about spotting cheaters, ive seen you play, no.. sorry mate you do suck. Strenx will lg me(tier 4 scrub) 40acc. I'll lg a tier 3 newb 45acc. That tier 3 newb can lg a tier 1 newb 50acc.

It is about who you play. Not how good your aim is. 2 Pros lging each other will lg 35acc (not stermy/strenx/linkin/tox) Because unlike other games, dodging in quake is a high tier skill.

yes a decent player can lg 50 percent against a total noob. Not against good players...

oh and if you give me some names, ito send these emails to, it may speed up the process...

Man srsly let it go already.

Yea, some americans love to tier-slum because they suck, Syncerror is their buddy and does nothing about it, quake live player base is small.

We know all this but it's hardly the main cause of Quake failing or id's (as a global entity) fault.

It might not be the main cause, but that doesn't mean it isn't important. There's all this talk about "embracing the noobs" lately and stuff like this might have a very adverse effect.

thing is, ray isn't going on about this because he actually believes this putting the nail in the coffin of ql's life.

he's doing that, because syncerror didn't make him a mod on the ql forums but choose other people. some of those hang around with id employee's and ray is heart broken that he didn't get into that circle.

What do his motivations have with the issue at hand?

the source of his motivation is the reason why he's not trying to solve the issue in any shape but to just flame/spam it

Since when are we talking about raythenoob? I merely pointed out that such tierslumming might have a measurable effect on QL's population.

soz, you were probably the wrong person to reply to like this. yes, beating down newbs isn't helping anyone.

lol i wanted to be a mod for like 30 seconds after it was announced. Since then i laugh at them all. They're stuck watching the forum all day long. FUN JOB!! and they dont even get paid!! lol suckers...

my motivation is to clean up the game and rid it of guys like incubus. That will keep more noobs around. The opposite is just causing a domino effect,...

btw zealot: iv'e been watching you carefully. You're pretty much the only guy going around and plussing anyone who disagrees with me. What's your ql name pussy. You aint from somalia..

my post is almost a week old, who is stalking whom now, ray?

oh, and i already gave you my ql account in another thread. no need to do that again.

Almost id's entire approach to QL was wrong. They treat it like a game from the 90's. They market it like a game from the 90's. It's such a basic game, devoid of most new advances in gaming.

Look at how they introduce people to the game. 'Hottest multiplayer fps of the decade'... first of all, 'hottest' is a cliche', secondly, the entire statement is questionable, and if untrue, it is delusional or a plain lie, and if true, it is narcissistic, thirdly: why tell people how old the game is anyway? It's like a 50 year-old woman who looks 25, telling you she's 50. You would have fucked her if you didn't know she was 50. Besides, who fucking cares what the game was yesterday? All that matters for an esport, is what the game is today and what the game will be tomorrow. It's all part of the broad mentality problem of the QL staff. They don't think of QL as an esport, they just think of it as a game. '20 maps and 100 useless player-models'... what the fuck does that have to do with esports? Absolutely nothing... it's just bullshit game-design from 1993. How about instead of that, it said something like, 'Professional tournaments year-round'?

Maybe the worst thing about what id has done to QL, is how they never realize, that without esports, QL would have failed entirely. Instead of understanding that, and actually improving the esports aspects of the game, they just keep strutting along in a timewarp, giving us Santa Claus player-models that only an 8 year-old would give a fucking shit about.

still woulda fucked her.

>'20 maps and 100 useless player-models'

problem is you are only interested on the esport side of quake. most here are. but there are so many ppl that dont like brightskins you wouldnt believe it. in my quakeforum there are ppl always saying "iihhhh a low pixel green one, that looks awful". and this comes from old quakers. your perspective maybe isnt a majority opinion.

dont flame me, i sometimes like your posts :)

Hey. I could save Quake Live.

Maybe they could unban him then he could use his time to play instead of boring us all the same shit?

ray, im being straight honest with you, this videos might help you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyh9ZS75Iz4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8ZjlAR_Nts&feature=related

uaaaaa i'm being straight with you, get a real nickname. Also come play on us servers sometime, should be fun watching you get slummed to death. dumbass

this is my real nickname man and it has meaning. i wont play on your us servers and im sure i would get raped yes, 250ms is too much.

And this kind of answer is classic raythenoob, avoiding the subject and go to the personal attack, gotta love this shows how disturbed and unbalanced you are, this is sad but true.

says the guy who attacked me with a videolink. It's funny how many of you pussies can't handle the same kind of treatment you give others. lol

i didn't attacked you with video links, it was a true honest statement to enlighten you and make you think about your life and your place in this world. But if you don't give a fuck, why should I?

i don't need enlightenment. And i don't need you telling me what and how to live my life. Go play mommy somewhere else.

ok live your life the way you like.

hah and everyone laughed at me when i talked about the elitist attitude of quakers.

never knew incubus = ted = qwerty.

how the hell could you not know that??

nobody tells me shit

because incubus hides on 20+ accounts....

wheres green in this picture? or are you sayin green is incubus?

i find it mildly creepy that he brings up a game that i played 27 days ago during a devpick

in your digging through my match history for some reason, you wouldve seen 47 ctf pickups, 10 public ctf games (4ictf), 44 duels, and 21 CA games.

All but one duel were against people that i know and im friends with.

Of the 35 games i played that weekend, 10 games were that devpick with a record of 6-4. Only played 2 with bleed_. With 4 total public ctf games played with him during this past month.

Are you that desperate to make your point that you bring up a month old game in my history? You picked one game out of the 123 that ive played since then and THATS your basis of your argument? lol?

he probably just checked bleed_'s profile and saw u play a game with him where they were slumming. Don't get caught up in his paranoid shit.

He isn't looking through your games.

Stomping newbs in devpick where shit is unranked is impossible to avoid. It's just how it is.

the slummer is here! bring him a wooden cross!

i know who you are dude. i know what you played like on your tugga_ account. You can't fool me. You were just as bad as the people on my list. Anyone who knew you then knows that. You may be trying to act all high and mightly recently, probably because you have some weight with the devs/mods now, but like incubus, you can't hide your past no matter how hard you try.

<note to self: add his 100+ frag blowout screenshots from 2009 here>

ID hasn't failed. they've moved on to a new market. Did all of you expect them to go bankrupt because quake was so hardcore that they should never try something new? Yes...the 1000 people that play quake...we will base our entire structure around them...we will go bankrupt to fullfill some egotistical bs unrealistic hope that e-sports will actually pay off...that quake will pay people millions...that just because pros don't play this game...you can't either....who gives a shit about cpl...wsvg..mlg..or any other of these faggot e-sport orgs....


do you like quake...q1..q2 ...q3...q4 or quake live? play it...and shut the fuck up...q4 is the best example....lotsa people played it...but...suddenly ../.. omg..pros don't play it...cuz this org dropped it..so we have to...go where the faggots go....no more q4..awww toxix doesnt play it..fatal1ty doesnt play it....avek...blah blah blah...guess the game is dead since theres no more e-sports comps.

you arre all fucking stupid!!!! and part of the real problem.
Halo...popular game regardless of consle/pc or comps...cuz people enjoy it and stick with it....quake...can't play because cypher started playing this game.... i'm a faggot and have no opinion as to what i actually like... i just complain...wah wah wah...and if my favorite player isnt playing..i wont either.

that's the basic quake scene since 2005

raythenoob... you're not a very good troll.
jamerio is king here!....notice how he does...?

You got Quake 4 backwards. The only reason people played it was because it was being used by tournaments. Even the players in the tournaments didn't want to play it.

you got that right... the part about playing it because it was used by tourneys.

There was never more than one market where QL could succeed. That market is esports. And yet, id software has consistently displayed a total detachment from esports. How can you succeed in your target market, if you don't even know what that market is?

It's not surprising the game is doing poorly. It's basically the exact same game from 1999 (when esports practically didn't exist), with a few gameplay tweaks (all minor enough to not matter), and a new interface.

no...e-sports was after the fact....console has killed it...and every other bs excuse. blah blah. jonesy...you really have no clue what you're talking about. q4 had a very nice...helpful community ...it's e-sports itself that has killed this game....quake died because of e-sports...funny...it's not a sport!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it became a game of bs...instead of fun...and there is only one way to play! isn't that true? You aren't good at quake unless you play like like these 26 players...the way they play is how its supposed to be, You have to strafe...you have to have over 30% acc..u cant just enjoy that quake isn't halo...or cs..it has to be this or that...and you can't accept that not everyone gives a shit...that is the problem....you say quake is this...and so does everyone else...it's no different than cod..battlefield or halo...except for strafing.


e-sports didnt kill it..its you and the rest rest of the faggy community
! no ones allowed to enjoy the game....unless you play it the way we say you play it.


edit.... faggots....yr all retards...seriously. fuck strenx..noctis...especially trapha...i wont even correct that spelling! faggots.....p...+f with a h...pfhaggots....stupid...the fact you'll travel to qcon...to compete in a ql tourney...you are fucking stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! do you really think this is a sport? or something worth tv? it's entertaining...but it will never go anywhere? no! because no one cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!

derp ?

What

RUN EVERYBODY! THE ASTHMA KID FORGOT TO TAKE HIS HAPPY PILLS TODAY!

this post has a lot of merit, too bad it was expressed in a retarded way :/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6wOt2iXdc4
skip to 2:52.
The attitude of people today is not compatible with this game.

you're doing it wrong.

In order to forward to 2:52, you simply attach


&t=2m52s at the end of the URL, then youtube will start playing at 2:52...

here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0&t=2m52s

Learn something new everyday, thank you sir.

All tierslammers players are gays.

Don't you mean a bunch of emmas and julias?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEpBYKOs3ys

LOL!

But my reply just only about this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RD73-VhgII

Is it possible id software and this community have completely different interests? Who here would rather go to Dallas in August (or ever), when it's 110 degrees, than go somewhere awesome like Seattle, L.A. or San Francisco? In August, the weather is perfect in Seattle. In any of those cities, the people are young, they like to party, they're tech-savvy, and it's just a completely different atmosphere than Texas.

If the interests of the community are so different from the interests of the developers, how can this thing work? They hold Quakecon in Dallas, because they are based in a Dallas suburb. There is no other reason for it, especially not the interests of anyone but themselves. You could say, they exhibit typical Texas behavior. It's only natural, considering how long they've been living there. What isn't natural, is that this community is about the exact opposite of Texas. Look at how many communists and socialists we have here. We call for progress, they offer nothing but stagnation and regression. We call for dialogue, they continue closing their doors.

Is it possible, a company could purchase QL from id software, so we could have a company on the same 'wavelength' as ourselves?

well said, mate!

f1

the "ps.:" part

Well, you could make a game based on one of the quake engines, and then have a whole new group of developers screw it up.

Like Warsow :)

If they don't work at id, then there's still a chance that game could be a success

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVJJluBhfiQ

COOLLER KNOWS :D

wow that's gay.... ...

we all know ql failed because of networking issues when the game went open beta and then when it was released, since like 80% of accounts don't have a single online match played.

Thing is riot games, the company behind league of legends, always got it right: server stability has been their #1 priority since closed beta and still is, and also competitive play most probably is their second.

Both games are f2p, ql had a way bigger playerbase when both started, and you know the rest.

http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthre...st11437953

Insanely wrong, noobs don't distinguish a good network from a bad network, and it isn't that bad anyways, most bad players use it as an excuse...

The game dies because noobs prefer playing easier games where they can adapt fast rather than getting owned as soon as they spawn with out being able to do two consecutive jumps before they die.

Quake's playerbase is the most elitist in the whole gaming scene, it's just like that, a hard game, it's not for everybody, most people prefer easier games... and they enjoy themselves, nothing wrong with it.

half truth. You do have tons of elites who like to farm noobs. If you disconnect a server before someone joins and they know you don't want to play them-they will chase you all day long and for months. Teams who beat you 8-0 in 10 minutes will constantly join your server asking for scrims every time you set one up even if you are in game. That is besides the point of difficulty. Tons of people love to play this game because they can make people feel shame or like shit so they farm the noobs out.

That's what brings out "evil shady" out of people.

if i ever get bored, one of the last contributions i'll make to this game is a list of all the people who have quit this game after playing incubus. Will take a while but i am fairly certain i can find at least 100 if not more.

for now gg

you didn't get it, or I should have explained it a bit more since only closed beta members can remember it
When the game went from closed beta to open beta it got a lot of advertising (for id's standards) and most account registrations are from that time, but because of that there were huge queues to play because of network issues, which lasted for about a week.
From the perspective of a non-quaker, I wouldn't wait a week to play a flash game.
That's why I compared it to QL: LoL's #1 priority is server stability, which is a key aspect in a f2p game, but then again to realize that you have to play that game.

Some time ago it was said here that 80% of accounts don't have a single match played, and the said queuing one of the reasons. The other one is that mandatory match against crash, which was very discouraging for someone who just really wants to try the game.

also the "hard-game" theory is discredited since starcraft bw is miles more difficult than quake yet it was a lot more popular, and lets not even compare QL against sc2.
Advertising and popularity bring players and customers, not the game itself.

ofc there are more reasons, but those 2 I mentioned are why 80% of potential players didn't even care to try this particular game.
Also this is obviously just one side of the coin, the other one being to keep players playing by providing constant updates, streamed events and so on.

In the end where I want to go with this is that id had a great opportunity but wasted it big time. LoL was much smaller than QL but riot games took that opportunity, and now LoL is most probably the most active videogame right now, including WoW and consoles.
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2121243#pid2121243

replying to myself lol

one of the main reasons why LoL is so popular and more than 20% of total accounts are active is that there are online streamings 24/7 from lots of players. I'd really like to see a 24/7 quake stream with an irc chat, promoted here at ESR.

Troll bait:
http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/summary/Beelzz

P.S. He enjoys teamkilling and then accuses his victims of teamkilling him in hopes of getting them kicked from the server. He also hates losing, so if you find him in a server, make him lose for major lulz.