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FFA Tournament #2 (119 comments)

( Major News: QL)

Posted by visje @ 12:16 CDT, 29 May 2011 - iMsg

Event: FFA

Scheduled: 13:00 CDT, 29 May 2011 to 16:00 CDT, 29 May 2011
Schedule: Passed

Results:

strenx

_chaos

ddk

Full results here. Tournament #3 is already accepting sign-ups, but no details are decided yet.

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#ffa-clan

Edited by xou at 02:13 CDT, 17 June 2011 - 60846 Hits

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<< Comment #1 @ 05:32 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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lmx

NL Servers plz

<< Comment #3 @ 05:56 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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Stylezz - Reply to #1

German, french is fine i guess??

<< Comment #4 @ 06:02 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #3

maybe for you dutch, but french is terribad for alot of people.(myself included </3)

aiming for next tournament then!

<< Comment #7 @ 06:15 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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Stylezz - Reply to #4

<< Comment #2 @ 05:37 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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ins '

fatal instinct >.>

<< Comment #5 @ 06:03 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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Anonymous (87.7.115.57)

mhuauhauhauh yeah !

<< Comment #6 @ 06:11 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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Infuscomus

Nice, France.

Are you going to change the country every tournament ? That could be a good idea so that a maximum of people can partake.

Immediately signing up.

<< Comment #8 @ 06:15 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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visje - Reply to #6

Yeah, we will try to rotate the server locations every tournament, so everybody can have a decent ping at some tournament.

<< Comment #37 @ 20:35 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #8

well when you rotate all the way around to Atlanta or Dallas then I'll come whip some QL tail. :D

<< Comment #53 @ 16:05 CDT, 28 May 2011 >>

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Dird - Reply to #8

imo you should rotate between the fairest servers...i.e. 1 week .de, the other .nl and then repeat

.fr cuts off a much larger portion than .nl/.de do for decent ping

<< Comment #9 @ 06:43 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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mefajpE^

France? No thanks. It's like playing on Ukrainian servers.

Should be .DE or .NL, which is fine for 90% eu players.

<< Comment #10 @ 06:51 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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visje - Reply to #9

Afaik UK, Italy, Spain and Portugal ping better in France than in Germany. UK and Italy hold a lot of players. Besides, as long as your ping isn't higher than about 70 it's all playable.

<< Comment #11 @ 07:16 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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ins ' - Reply to #10

What about UK servers?
Not hating on server location, as it's perfect for me how it is, just asking.

Edited by ins at 07:16 CDT, 24 May 2011

<< Comment #32 @ 15:47 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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Drexciyian - Reply to #10

nope UK dont, french internet is terribad

<< Comment #54 @ 16:07 CDT, 28 May 2011 >>

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Dird - Reply to #10

.fr or .nl is the same and .uk isnt noticeably any better (for most...you get some with like 10 ping~ but rare). .de is not much worse and isnt even noticeable compared to .nl/.fr in QL

Edited by Dird at 16:08 CDT, 28 May 2011

<< Comment #12 @ 07:55 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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Disrepute

Nice work visje, will you compete?

I would like to stream it again, but I also want to play!

<< Comment #31 @ 14:26 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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visje - Reply to #12

Perhaps try stream while playing xD

<< Comment #55 @ 16:08 CDT, 28 May 2011 >>

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Dird - Reply to #12

stream & cast while you play nub!

<< Comment #13 @ 08:29 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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Torzelan '

Last one seemed like fun, may hop on... the next one. Not dealing with .fr servers :@

<< Comment #14 @ 08:51 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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Teen Queen '

I don't think people understand the concept of rotating locations for each tournament, based on some replies in this thread.

It's a FFA tournament, just because there are prizes involved, it shouldn't be considered as highly competitive. Ping complaints are completely beside the point, the goal is to have as much players as possible to enjoy and have some fun. Besides, just because you ping bad on X doesn't mean you shouldn't partake in the tourney, maybe the next one will be closer to you.

Props to the -FFA- team. Might get back home by sunday and play some.

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<< Comment #15 @ 09:08 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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tony - Reply to #14

Here ur plus

<< Comment #16 @ 09:23 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #14

Besides, just because you ping bad on X doesn't mean you shouldn't partake in the tourney

sadly it does :) but just gonna have to wait for the next tournament and see where thats played! still not a complaint towards the organization at all, i do understand their reasoning.

<< Comment #17 @ 09:56 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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kK_Storm - Reply to #16

Is your ping to france really that bad? Or is it packet losses? As for myself, I played 1st ffa tournament with 95 ping, while im used to 40/60 (ru/nl), still it was quite fun, although hells gate with plasma spawn = shiat.

ps. next time should be .nl servers :)

<< Comment #21 @ 12:00 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #17

my ping isnt too bad(around 70), but the overall feel is bad enough for me not wanting to participate. but as i said, i do understand why the admins would rotate servers, makes perfect sense.

<< Comment #18 @ 10:59 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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dem0n

isnt that the day of the CTF draft ?

<< Comment #38 @ 02:40 CDT, 25 May 2011 >>

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kaboom - Reply to #18

yep

<< Comment #19 @ 11:02 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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pharrow

I love how the winner gets to decide the maps.

<< Comment #20 @ 11:17 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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moppz

www.bloodywarriors.com is doing an english cast again if u want it :)

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<< Comment #29 @ 14:20 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #20

nice

btw I think follow leader works best for ffa

<< Comment #34 @ 16:20 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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moppz - Reply to #29

i will check this out.. thx for info!

<< Comment #36 @ 17:34 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #34

you should do that
although it would hurt your k1llsen bias :D

<< Comment #35 @ 16:56 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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ZeriouS - Reply to #29

What a suggestive joke :D

<< Comment #56 @ 16:15 CDT, 28 May 2011 >>

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Dird - Reply to #20

we need more of this, this and this!

<< Comment #22 @ 12:27 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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hydra

How will the standard subscription players like me be able to play cpm4? Default loss? :)

<< Comment #23 @ 12:27 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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superiority

- the next tournament is played in FRANCE, not in Germany

gtfo killsen

=]

<< Comment #24 @ 12:28 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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Infuscomus

100� is awesome really. Tons of fun and you can win as much as if you had won a Zotac.

GG FFA, that's how you revive a mod considered by many as noobish.

Anyway, some of the maps in the pool will require a premium account or an invitation...what if there are not enough pro accounts signing in ?

<< Comment #25 @ 13:00 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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tony

Not premium users will be invited

<< Comment #26 @ 13:19 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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Attyla7 - Reply to #25

no to hujowo

<< Comment #27 @ 14:04 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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tony

that mean?

<< Comment #28 @ 14:10 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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snapcase

PING 89.30.108.224 (89.30.108.224) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 89.30.108.224: icmp_req=1 ttl=47 time=256 ms
64 bytes from 89.30.108.224: icmp_req=2 ttl=47 time=256 ms
64 bytes from 89.30.108.224: icmp_req=3 ttl=47 time=259 ms
64 bytes from 89.30.108.224: icmp_req=4 ttl=47 time=258 ms

lolmost

<< Comment #30 @ 14:25 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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visje - Reply to #28

Bah, thats really crap. What happened to the elite Swedish connections. I remember every Swede spamming 'BBB' while happily on 10ms back in the Q3 days?

<< Comment #33 @ 15:47 CDT, 24 May 2011 >>

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snapcase - Reply to #30

the doctors are known for having the most poor connections in sweden actually :( Seems the problem is a hop from sweden -> denmark in this case. The danes are out to get us :(

<< Comment #39 @ 02:42 CDT, 25 May 2011 >>

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kaboom - Reply to #28

ping depends on routing, some time ago i had better ping in spain or sweden than in poland, it was ridiculous but true :)

<< Comment #40 @ 07:01 CDT, 25 May 2011 >>

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PopS_

C'mon... fr lag ? Jesus... I didn't saw any1 complain about De servers... why ?

<< Comment #41 @ 07:07 CDT, 25 May 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #40

#10

<< Comment #44 @ 15:20 CDT, 26 May 2011 >>

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PopS_ - Reply to #41

Yea sure. But if You look at all people DE servers are surely the best for majority.
FR is good for me as long as I'm not using lg...

<< Comment #45 @ 15:28 CDT, 26 May 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #44

It's not about the majority. Read Anhedonic's comment.

<< Comment #46 @ 18:48 CDT, 26 May 2011 >>

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PopS_ - Reply to #45

"not about the majority" but he says "the goal is to have as much players as possible"... .

<< Comment #47 @ 07:12 CDT, 27 May 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #46

So over a couple tourneys everyone in eu can play.

<< Comment #48 @ 09:04 CDT, 27 May 2011 >>

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PopS_ - Reply to #47

Not really the answer to what I wrote but w/e.

<< Comment #57 @ 16:18 CDT, 28 May 2011 >>

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Dird - Reply to #47

you can get everyone with .nl and .de only while having a higher number of signups overall...unlikely people will ping bad to both but good to .fr

<< Comment #59 @ 16:23 CDT, 28 May 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #57

<< Comment #61 @ 16:28 CDT, 28 May 2011 >>

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Dird - Reply to #59

i assume you mean #10 in which case #54

spain ping fine to .nl and italy ping good enough to .nl/.de depending on routing. id love for an italian to show me this vast difference they experience when playing on .fr compared to .nl & .de

Edited by Dird at 16:29 CDT, 28 May 2011

<< Comment #42 @ 08:00 CDT, 25 May 2011 >>

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bates

Hopefully servers will be okay to play on (ping) :)

<< Comment #43 @ 10:04 CDT, 25 May 2011 >>

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T1E ' - Reply to #42

from Austria there shouldn't be any problem + another ~10 ping compared to de/nl for either inode, Telekom or UPC iirc

<< Comment #118 @ 01:30 CDT, 6 June 2011 >>

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bates - Reply to #43

Ye, was okay though :)

Gotta check ping to Netherland for #3

<< Comment #49 @ 13:11 CDT, 27 May 2011 >>

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visje

ipodjunk had a great idea: why not let players vote for their favorite locations.

For tournament #3 we will announce the possible server locations (probably all European options) and the one with the most votes (points) will become the server to pay on.

<< Comment #50 @ 13:14 CDT, 27 May 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #49

ez win for .de imo

better to switch between 3/4 locations

<< Comment #51 @ 20:17 CDT, 27 May 2011 >>

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ZeriouS - Reply to #49

Most votes ain�t good tbh. Switching the server locations throughout Europe is more interesting. e.g. Spain or Russia or Italy!

<< Comment #58 @ 16:21 CDT, 28 May 2011 >>

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Dird - Reply to #51

i do like the idea of a cypher, pavel, cooller, agent, amai, evil FFA :o

<< Comment #52 @ 14:27 CDT, 28 May 2011 >>

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If the amount of Frags are equal as well, the one with the most Damage Delivered wins the better position.
If the amount of Damage Delivered is equal as well, the one with the best netto (Frags - Deaths) wins the better position.

Wouldn't it be better to have the one with better k/d to win before damage is compared?

Also, it's a bit imprecise to say the finals are best of 4 if you use a Grand Prix system.

<< Comment #60 @ 16:24 CDT, 28 May 2011 >>

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Dird - Reply to #52

not really, its the best player over 4 maps

completely agree with kdr though...dunno why they changed it...should just scrap the whole frag limit and just decide the winner based on damage dealt rather than frags if theyre using it for other parts =/

<< Comment #62 @ 16:42 CDT, 28 May 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #60

best of 4 sounds like one must win at least 3 to me

<< Comment #63 @ 17:02 CDT, 28 May 2011 >>

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Dird - Reply to #62

best player over the course of 4 maps based on points...i dont see why this is so distressing to you :d

<< Comment #64 @ 17:09 CDT, 28 May 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #63

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playoff_format#Best-of_formats

<< Comment #65 @ 18:40 CDT, 28 May 2011 >>

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Dird - Reply to #64

whine less brah, if you read the next line the rules are clear so np

<< Comment #66 @ 18:55 CDT, 28 May 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #65

trolled :)

<< Comment #67 @ 20:19 CDT, 28 May 2011 >>

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Dird - Reply to #66

whatever entertains you

<< Comment #95 @ 10:47 CDT, 30 May 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #67

meaning I got trolled. :'((

<< Comment #68 @ 20:27 CDT, 28 May 2011 >>

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visje - Reply to #52

In FFA, netto is (and should be) completely irrelevant. Enforcing that with such rules :)

<< Comment #69 @ 08:04 CDT, 29 May 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #68

Why is damage better than netto?

<< Comment #70 @ 08:17 CDT, 29 May 2011 >>

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visje - Reply to #69

In FFA, damage is more important than netto. It lies closer to the 'first rule' of FFA: 'the first one to reach X frags win the game'.

<< Comment #71 @ 08:27 CDT, 29 May 2011 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #69

To rank people with equal amount of frags basically means that you have to make a continious ranking between discrete frags. What is the most obvious way to define what is "2.5" frags? It intuitively means, that you are halfway to making your next frag. And what you do to get next frag? The only thing that can give you a frag is dealing damage. So player with most damage is closer to having better amount of frags, which is what determines ranking in FFA.

Edited by p4r4 at 08:33 CDT, 29 May 2011

<< Comment #72 @ 08:33 CDT, 29 May 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #71

So what if one player did n kills doing D damage, while the other had n kills with E damage (E>D). Then, as they "accumulate" damage for the next frag, the first player did more damage than the second, yet less than the difference E-D. He "accumulated" more damage for the next frag, yet judging their damage output at that moment the second player wins.

<< Comment #73 @ 09:00 CDT, 29 May 2011 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #72

So what? Damage dealt is the closest available value that we have to a good intermediate ranking, doesn't mean it works good all times.
Netto on the other hand, isn't related to anything meaningful in FFA. You can receive as much damage as you want, it doesn't affect your ranking.

Edited by p4r4 at 09:04 CDT, 29 May 2011

<< Comment #77 @ 15:47 CDT, 29 May 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #73

Why do you lose points for killing yourself (or getting voided) if kills are the only thing that matters? :(

Edited by kg at 15:47 CDT, 29 May 2011

<< Comment #119 @ 07:38 CDT, 6 June 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #77

No answers? Shame.

<< Comment #74 @ 13:07 CDT, 29 May 2011 >>

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ZeriouS

www.bloodywarriors.com live with moppz and ZeriouS !
#bw.clan for music wishes, shoutouts, rants,...

<< Comment #106 @ 04:26 CDT, 31 May 2011 >>

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McFly - Reply to #74

I've got to say, watching this FFA tourney on VODs has been a lot more fun to watch than any TDM or Duel I've seen (and I've seen many).

FFA really lends itself a lot better to spectating.

Purely as a spectator sport, FFA @ big LANs would be more fun for the (non-Quaker)viewers.

<< Comment #116 @ 02:07 CDT, 1 June 2011 >>

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Torzelan ' - Reply to #106

Fortunately we have those now to test that theory! :) Bring oooonn DH!

<< Comment #75 @ 14:34 CDT, 29 May 2011 >>

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tony

Any news??

<< Comment #76 @ 14:58 CDT, 29 May 2011 >>

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hydra

thanks guys, nice initiative!

<< Comment #84 @ 16:11 CDT, 29 May 2011 >>

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OSEF

Skill ? :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fIj7dp_7_M

<< Comment #78 @ 15:47 CDT, 29 May 2011 >>

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Dird

missed all the stream cos of the ctf cup =[ hopefully bw will do it again next week in english <3

<< Comment #82 @ 15:55 CDT, 29 May 2011 >>

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ZeriouS - Reply to #78

I thought tonight were no UK matches?!

<< Comment #85 @ 16:23 CDT, 29 May 2011 >>

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Dird - Reply to #82

huh? i mean spec'ing the ctf mix team cup

i dont even have ut2k4 installed :P

<< Comment #79 @ 15:47 CDT, 29 May 2011 >>

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Veritas_

GG strenx :))

<< Comment #80 @ 15:47 CDT, 29 May 2011 >>

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erzwo

VODs: http://www.derquaker.com/vods/

<< Comment #81 @ 15:51 CDT, 29 May 2011 >>

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moppz

http://www.derquaker.com/vods/

<< Comment #83 @ 16:02 CDT, 29 May 2011 >>

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Torzelan '

alien ping, alien maps, still fun tournament, thx & signed for next week ( <

<< Comment #86 @ 16:37 CDT, 29 May 2011 >>

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CLains

fuuuck, i always check esr like 2h after the cup is over :c

(and by always i mean last time, and this last time, last time!)

<< Comment #87 @ 01:43 CDT, 30 May 2011 >>

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kaboom

who is chaos?

<< Comment #89 @ 05:55 CDT, 30 May 2011 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #87

the guy that came 2nd

<< Comment #91 @ 06:43 CDT, 30 May 2011 >>

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kaboom - Reply to #89

really? impressive

<< Comment #100 @ 12:58 CDT, 30 May 2011 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #91

1st is impressive

<< Comment #88 @ 05:36 CDT, 30 May 2011 >>

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therm

a dueler won

what a surprise lol

<< Comment #90 @ 05:57 CDT, 30 May 2011 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #88

I am curious to see if duelers will win dh tdm as well. I hope not.

<< Comment #92 @ 08:15 CDT, 30 May 2011 >>

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T1E ' - Reply to #90

just in case you are srs, who of the top teams is a team of duelers?
[R] - no, just 1 dueler (fazz)
srs - no, just 1 dueler (avek)
ic - no, just 1 dueler (stermy)
metsu - no one
xt - no one
4kings - no one
TA - Demon is a multimoder, maybe spartie is a duler..
Moskow - cooller maybe..

<< Comment #96 @ 12:47 CDT, 30 May 2011 >>

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Dird - Reply to #92

2 time eswc 1v1 champ winz?

<< Comment #97 @ 12:53 CDT, 30 May 2011 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #96

cooller and spart1e maybe ... go figure

<< Comment #98 @ 12:56 CDT, 30 May 2011 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #92

No, it is not like that. It has many other duellers than just the ones you listed. Some play both duel and tdm. Probably the best way is to check their ql accounts.

In any case the Ultrafrag Xtreme is a dueller's team (rapha, DaHanG, czm, cl0ck). I am not 100% sure for clock, but he was a known dueller at some point, but maybe he was a tdmer too (if I knew his ql account, I could check to see what his favourity mode is). Czm also is known for tdm too, but his primary mode always was duel (4 out 4?).

For Reason Gaming noctis is more of a dueller than tdmer (2/4).

Moskow you could say that is all duellers ... I just read what u wrote "cooller maybe" ... wasted my time ...

<< Comment #105 @ 20:21 CDT, 30 May 2011 >>

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T1E ' - Reply to #98

For Reason Gaming noctis is more of a dueller than tdmer (2/4).

yeah, no

about cooller - I remember a post/story when he was asked what he is: dueler or tdmer he responded with preference to tdm, maybe it's a mistake in the translation but who knows..

who in the xt lineup is a dueler? purri in q2 maybe but not in ql

Edited by T1E at 20:21 CDT, 30 May 2011

<< Comment #107 @ 06:22 CDT, 31 May 2011 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #98

Moscow all duelers?
Mikes is almost 100% TDM-er, cooller/jibo/evil always played TDM alongside duels. Jibo is known in Russia as best TDM strategist, cooller's first world championship was in 2v2 TDM, evil and jibo played together in c58 and won many tourneys, etc.
They are duelers, but they are also all TDM'ers with huge experience and many 1st places on LAN tournaments.

<< Comment #109 @ 07:01 CDT, 31 May 2011 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #107

I know and that is why I said "Moskow you could say that is all duellers". I wouldn't put my life on it, but could argue it.

The only certain thing is that there are more duellers in those teams than fazz, av3k and stermy.

<< Comment #110 @ 12:09 CDT, 31 May 2011 >>

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twister - Reply to #98

You don't make any sense. From your initial statement I thought you didnt want teams made up of duelers who don't practise, like fnatic used to be, to win the tournament.

As it is right now the only ones to suit that discription are dignitas and ufx maybe?
How can you consider the russian team duellers when they are like.. all wcg tdm champs? (apart from jibo I think who played loads of tdm on a high level anyway)

Edited by twist3r at 12:10 CDT, 31 May 2011

<< Comment #111 @ 12:58 CDT, 31 May 2011 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #110

From your initial statement I thought you didnt want teams made up of duelers who don't practise, like fnatic used to be, to win the tournament

U understood mostly correct. Yes, fnatic was good example.

The Russian team part was part of my answer to t1e that there are only 3 duellers in all tdm teams. It had nothing to do with what I want.

There is really nothing to be confused of.

<< Comment #112 @ 13:08 CDT, 31 May 2011 >>

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twister - Reply to #111

Why yes he is right, there are only a few duelers. If you call people duelers who only play duels.

<< Comment #115 @ 18:26 CDT, 31 May 2011 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #112

How can someone play duel only, or tdm only or whatever only? What cheap retarded arguments are these? I rest my case.

What it means �why yes he is right�?

You tdmers seem to be super touchy and sensitive. I think it is better not to say anything tdm wise again and risk raging retards and listen to gibberish arguments. Discuss whatever about tdm among yourselves. I am out.

If you were trolling, good for you. I am out anyways.

<< Comment #99 @ 12:56 CDT, 30 May 2011 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #92

spart1e maybe?
xt none?

you have no clue

<< Comment #93 @ 10:38 CDT, 30 May 2011 >>

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Infuscomus

_chaos is French, it's an alt account of a famous FFA player.

<< Comment #101 @ 13:22 CDT, 30 May 2011 >>

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Anonymous (78.50.185.160) - Reply to #93

and what is his original account? tell tell tell

<< Comment #94 @ 10:45 CDT, 30 May 2011 >>

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tony

Linkje

<< Comment #102 @ 15:20 CDT, 30 May 2011 >>

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kaboom - Reply to #94

are u sure?

<< Comment #104 @ 17:46 CDT, 30 May 2011 >>

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tony - Reply to #102

No im not

<< Comment #103 @ 15:51 CDT, 30 May 2011 >>

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Infuscomus

Nope it's not a pro but I'm not sure he'd like me to tell his main account. I will ask him when I see him.

<< Comment #108 @ 06:33 CDT, 31 May 2011 >>

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superkikoolol - Reply to #103

"Hi, I know who he is, I give you some indices, but I won't say who he is !11!"

You should stfu then. :(

Edited by superkikoolol at 06:33 CDT, 31 May 2011

<< Comment #114 @ 15:37 CDT, 31 May 2011 >>

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Anonymous (92.231.52.163) - Reply to #103

it is tendokoun

<< Comment #117 @ 04:29 CDT, 1 June 2011 >>

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Anonymous (89.74.219.161) - Reply to #114

By France Infuscomus
_chaos is French, it's an alt account of a famous FFA player.

is he famous? dont think so

<< Comment #113 @ 14:22 CDT, 31 May 2011 >>

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moppz

Here one Tony FFA Game with the BW Clan:

http://www.derquaker.com/vods/?page=&vod=4212

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