overall i like the change cause it simply feels better, but im not sure if the overall effect on gameplay was good. i guess increasing it by 5% would have been a good compromise tbh

first I was: IT'S BAD!
now I am: WOW, IT'S GOOD AND MADE QL FASTER!

so... are you gonna be good now?! :]

I don't have monitor atm , playing few duels sometimes with notebook 15' 60hz, I suck now hard. maybe I won't start playing ql serious again, who knows.

get a crt, plug in laptop, own hard!

have good crt, but to big for my room, where I am using pc..

I told you \:D/.
P.S. Get good lcd/crt already...wtf with that laptop, seriously(and don't forget about external keyboard/mouse :D).

i love it, makes ping have less effect on hitting

I like it , but I play between 140-150 ms so I guess it's probably natural that I feel that way , but I would like to see a low pingers view of it ( that wants the game balanced)

good.

Now if they could finally nerf that fucking broken rocket pop we might finally have a really good quake game ( let's not even think about the bugs, only about balance )

i have to agree with you on that point.

Agree on rocket bouncing shit (noobs rj friendly bullshit).

got told that self knockback and knockback weren't even linked.

there's an additional cvar for self-knockback, yes

It's ok I guess.

i like it, the whole antilag mixed with various net commands and time nudge makes for some wacky ass shit sometimes though

Wish they'd get rid of that antilag crap. It does more harm than good. If you just have a ping difference, or a higher ping, you can measure the effects and adjust your play accordingly. With antilag, you have no idea what the fuck is going on.

ahaha. feel you man. just played a ctf game the other day in which i got killed like twice where i used the medkit, saw myself using it and yet die before it kicks in. and in the same game saw myself going through a tele and yet dieing before :).

backwards reconciliation does some weird ass shit like that that takes a lot of getting used to. but overall it feels ok. i still voted no because i felt the change in hitbox was unnecessary.

bad...i get raped by rox and my aim is no better...losing more now =[

I like it, though, again, it's the easy way out. Instead of getting hitbox and models in sync, increase the hitbox:/
I liked it how it was in Q4, even toxjq would hit 25-30 LG max.
IMO high damage weapons that are hard to use > constant damage (easy to use) from low damage weapons.

it's good in general because more players are able to hit a better percentage, so the competition increases.

i voted no because initially i thought it was bad for me, since i already had good aim =)

they are good in a way that your aim at times feels more consistent and reliable; but bad in a way that people hit you so easily and it requires next to no skill to hit 60% rail and 40+% shaft.

Strong aim should be rewarded and not punished. I, for one, can have now less of an impact on the game than I did before - so I think that is a bad thing.

I don't buy this 'everybody aims like toxic now, it's uber easy' statements.

I don't see other than really good players finishing games wit 40+ lg and 60+ rail, which is normal I guess? Yes you can have here and there great lg in a moment hitting over 40-50% but it's not that easy to stay THAT constant. Occasionally I end up with crazy accuracies, but only occasionally.

I agree,

also in duel you get more scores like 19-17 and 23-20 instead of a 5-4, 2-0 or something you know....

What's the thought behind increasing it?

I'd have decreased it to make aiming a bit more of a challenge (as it was in the ball mouse period)

Q3 hitbox size: 1-1.45 times the frontal size/diameter, depending on angle
QL "beta" size: same thing
QL december 09-until now: 1x size from all angles because its a cylinder
QL new hitboxes 1.1x size (still being a cylinder)


it hasn't been increased necessarily, but adapted to a in-between size

reasons:
- more "fun" to play them
- various influential voices in the community wanted the old rectangular box back
- noobs won't suddenly shoot 40lg as some people might have suggested - it's still "challenging" to hit high accuracies against good dodgers
- byproduct: feels more consistent in online games/netcode related



as you can presume I'm happy with the new hitboxes thats because they deliver a new kind of consistency in shooting and hitting and I approve of the buff compared to the nerf-this-a-little-nerf-that-a-little philosophy

Sucks for me but think good in the eyes of the comunity

I really didn't care at first, but pretty soon I found myself enjoying the game more.
Hitting more shots is fun ...

Might be good to stick up a poll of which hitbox type you prefered:
- Old box style
- Cylinder style
- Current style
- Anything I've forgotten

the more complicated the poll is the more likely it is that people fail in understanding it. cylinder is here to stay and there wasn't much whine about the 10% increase, so it's imho just about checking the overall approval

well nobody in their right mind would prefer rectangle hitboxes over cylindrical and then its just about size.
now i could have made a third option but i felt like it would be nice to put people on the spot and decide between positive and negative while the comments are great if you wanna talk about further details

Really, I can think of loads who preferred them. You know, preferred what we had that was fine for over 10 years.

well but what you prefer is the whole working package and not the form in particular, right?
if not, tell me whats better about it, i dont see one single advantage tbh... but i would certainly like to hear one

Well there's nothing "better" necessarily but I still preferred them. I know cylinders are technically better but the game has felt shit ever since they changed to them as far as I'm concerned. Although other changes contribute to that feeling as well.

dunno if uve done it elsewhere but could you qualify why youd prefer the old q3 hitboxes? and hopefully keep it independent of how u feel about the netcode altho i know thats tough considering the interaction between the two.

if i understood it right, then i dont think that he even necessarily finds the hitbox better at all.
its just that a lot of people enjoyed the way weapons/netcode/hitbox once worked together and changing a part of it messes with the whole feel of the game and "demands" adjustments of all other factors

tried some games out, its good.. i like it

wtf good 75% bad 25%??? WHAT IS HAPPENING TO ESR!? should be bad 90%...

word :D

esr forum got popular at ql forums... this explains everything

Well... i can't say it made a drastic difference to me personally, except that maybe my rg is more consistent? I think it was a good choice overall, seems like people generally enjoyed the increase. I seem to get raped by lg a lot more nowadays, but it encourages me to practice dodging so i don't mind, really.

I'd like to see those no-skill noobs that hit 40% lg and 60% rg all the time without effort, maybe i'd learn something coz i'm a no-skill noob and can't make that shit work for me. 8<

With your sens, don't even think about such accuracies. :@

\:C/

game is much faster now, so nice change...

people whine because everybody has had to up their lg/rail a bit with the small cylinders -> pretty much everyone got up to their old acc or slightly less.
Now all these people are hitting a bit more than they used to in 09 + add the % crushing effect of bigger hitboxes in a good aim ( + shit % ) vs decent aim ( +5% ) battle and in a few days we'll get back to the xerp whine, except that rockets have already been buffed near brokenness 2-3 years ago so there's nothing to compensate hitscans and restore their precious shitty netcode/osp days balance except endlessly nerfing stuff left and right.

Agreed, but my brain ran out of oxygen while reading the last sentence :/

Didn't sleep last night, you have no idea how hard it was to get this paragraph to make sense, gave up trying to use punctuation :D

Ah I feel you man, neither did I and I've got work tonight, ffs. :)

It's impossible to just up your aim at will. Aim level hasn't changed.

gief more gigawatts and Emmett Brown will prove you wrong.

Emmett Brown is a fictional character, his proof will be fictional too.

infidel

The good thing is that now you will get destroyed in a rl vs lg fight if you hit horrible rockets.

I'm twisted because the new hitbox suits my style. Imo the new hitboxes favours aim lgers and not strafers. Hard to explain but I like it. +backers have to hit the initial rockets otherwise you'll rape him if you got the lg aim. Tracking a +backing player with lg is so much easier post patch. I guess it favours mouse aimers more than strafe aimers.
I don't like the new rail though. Hiting someone who is already behind the wall is nice but if you are the guy who tries to dodge it is quite the opposite. Peeking over a ledge is also a lottery. Slow reaction? fuck it he still hits the rail ...

mouse aimers and strafe aimers lol

he's sorta got a point though. i use both to aim effectively but I always strafe aim more than only using my mouse. pre-patch my aim was definitely better. I hit the same accs post-patch which is quite sad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qYF9DZPdw

I finished a match with 50 % LG (40 frags) so guess I'm a sexy mouse aimer ye 8)

LINK PLZ

In FFA where the enemies just walk

everybody can aim now ;x