osp, because of the altered physics in cpma vq3.

dunno what you mean, i used /kill to get the spawn i wanted, forward when on attack or retrieving flag, base when is was base def, mid when i was... well mid. it was mostly done to get to mid fastest for whatever reason you had, i rarely used it 'cos i played def most times.

I mean this:

"How the CTF's Spawn System really works in QL and what are the differences compared to the Q3 CTF's spawn system?"

u spawn farthest of killer or any enemy? Or u spawn farthest away where u died before? Sry, but I new in CTF!

And what u said about "/kill", then if u suicide in ur base, u spawn in mid or enemy base. If i suicide in mid or enemy base, then i will spawn in my own base. I m right or not??? The spawn system in ctf isn't randon only?

Well, I know that duels in q3 the spawn system is purely randon(or randonic farthest death local?) and ql spawns re randonic farthest killer. But I don't' know about CTF spawns.

I want to deepen my knowledge about this funny game mode! I m trying watch much q3 CTF and ql CTf demos to my analysis! :)

iirc in osp it's away from the location you died. this coupled with the way ctf spawns were laid out you could be more or less predict where you'd spawn next.

eventhough i played ctf ec i was never actually good at the ctf part of ctf, better to ask some other players :)

actually I think OSP was totally random, plenty of times you could kill a def and he would spawn right on you - can see that easy enough watching old demos.


I'm not certain but In quake live I have been told the system is based on 'spawn furthest from teammates' (maybe combined with away from kill / from death location ??). This kind of system was implemented for tdm 'to help your team have good map coverage' but as I have argued before (on focus etc.) it is not very good for ctf. It makes respawns too predictable, e.g. when you kill a lone def on ironworks he has a very high chance of spawning above medkit (depending I presume on where exactly his teammates usually are in that situation) in some cases it makes other respawns become very rare, ie. count how many times in a match if any you actually get the respawn right below medkit on ironworks.

Another example is defenders on japan respawning in nme garden a disproportionate amount of times (when there is a lot of action in his own side of map).

A random respawn system is much better, it means the distribution of respawns a mapper implements when he designs a map actually counts and can be adjusted for good gameplay rather than being skewed by player positions.

It also adds an extra element to escaping (you can calculate the risks of escape routes based on chance of respawns).

If anyone knows more for certain what the ql system is please enlighten us!

Thank you for your testimony on this subject. I'll ponder this and I reach a conclusion reasonably! :D

/kill was the reason ctf was my favourite mode back in the days. Now I put ctf barely above CA in my favlist... Such a shame that id software managed to destroy such a great mode... ah well

/kill devpick!

oh you, dem0n! :p

what's the difference between /kill and firing 1-2 rockets below yourself?

1. get fragged
2. wait 2 seconds
3. spawn somewhere unrelated to your role
4. grab a gun
5. tell your mates you're gonna rocket yourself and that you'll drop a rl.
6. frag yourself.
7. wait 2 seconds
goto 3

vs

get fragged spawn somewhere unre---press x click mouse1

hheheeh, Understood. Things would be much easier if there were the "/kill" command in QL. But this feature should only exist in pro account, cuz if this go to public the lamers would be committing suicide all the time and annoying everyone.

It would not be equal for everyone to not have the kill command. Kinda dumb idea.

He's right : premium/pro feature would reduce the number of retards joining a game only to spam /kill.

Anyone interested in playing the game competitively or even seriously should theorically have one of those accounts ( theorically, in real conditions it's a complete waste of money )

anonymous is right tho, you can't give the payers a free bfg (or the /kill cmd). there was already discussion about the premium duel scoreboard being an advantge in a competitive game.

you said it yourself ; competitive.

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