too bad you can't sub 11 players eh?

yesterday France, today England, who will be next? lol

you forgot germany.. i predict that soon all the journals/threads in the right panel will start with "lmao@xy"

yea I forgot about Germany

You forgot Spain.

We don't deserve to be there. Our media are still talking about qualifying if we win our last game... why should we qualify if we have to scrape through after such shocking displays like that one?

Fucking terrible

Tbh it's not like all the other 'big' nations are performing particularly well either. Haven't decided if this makes the competition dumb or interesting yet though.

We couldn't even pass the ball properly. At least teams like Spain were undone by quality defending by the Swiss.

It was like watching a team of nvcs out there.

That's because the ball is uttter shite.

Blaming the ball is even worse IMO. Any kind of professional worth his salt should be able to get used to it after three weeks of practice. The players blaming the ball because it's too round is so inexcusable that laughter is the only appropriate response.

A few months is nothing when you consider most of them have played for decades with a ball unlike this and they would have been jumping back and fro between that and whatever balls they used for their club teams.

Its just stupid, and its showing in the scores/results, perhaps it was done on purpose to make it more random and bridge the gap, which seems to be a general policy for many things these days.

But I find it hard to believe the best players in the world from each country struggle to pass a ball given most of them get paid millions a year and have been doing it since birth.

Only England struggle to pass the ball, if you hadn't noticed.

you have to use a trackball mouse vs the top pro today. you get 3 weeks to adjust! hey its only a mouse you been using mice for years.

Bad analogy as it's a completely different tool. Your analogy would be equivalent to a football player being given a tennis racket and then being told they should be at the level of a tennis pro in three weeks because they've been a football pro for years.

EDIT: A better analogy would be a quake player who's been playing with a deathadder for years is then given a g9x and told they should be at the same standard in 3 weeks.

what you tell me a bad analogy but then give the same one back? wow you're a faggotard.

Difference is that I explained why yours is bad and you just whined cos you were owned. gg.

yeah you explained it and then used the same one. congratz if im an idiot you're a retard with down syndrome.

Meh you can't see the difference. I now consider you too stupid to continue this conversation with you, not like you can keep up with it anyway...

ahh the mark of a truly ignorant snob. you probably believe in jesus

What you've just written is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this forum is now dumber for having read it. May God have mercy on your soul.

wow you religious nut bag. everything you just said is null and Void for using GOD

What you've just written is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this forum is now dumber for having read it. May God have mercy on your soul.

He's posh etc. Proper snob.

Yup ofc. If he can't identify that there's a large difference in the technical skills required between using a trackball mouse and an ordinary mouse then he's not worth acknowledging. I explained why his analogy was flawed and offered a more suitable one. Using different balls in football is more comparable to changing from one mouse brand to another, not completely changing the type of input.

To make it clear how bad his analogy is, it is equivalent to him saying: You've been using a mouse for years, here's a joystick, now get to the same level of play after 3 weeks. It's not going to happen.

Whereas changing a ball in a football game is still incredibly similar to what they will have been used to. Which is why my analogy of changing from a deathadder to a g9x holds weight. The technical skills required in changing from one to the other is largely unaffected (like changing between balls in football). As he can't see this difference in analogy then I consider him to be inferior, though it's not like his posts on here are of any standard to begin with. But as I have him on ignore, I no longer have to put up with his whining.

Now flame me stunt.us, see what I care.

argentina?

Argentina is owning.

Owning?

Nigeria gifted them a goal
S. Korea gifted them two goals then messed up a chance to level it, the third was offside, against the run of play and the fourth was when the game was over as a contest.

Nigeria are shocking and S.Korea while hardworking are nothing special.

I got bored and started playing counter-strike



Yep, I was that bored

fucking boring team, typical from this damn english team

As opposed to Germany Mk II (aka Brazil)?

Brazil are awesome. Screw patriotism, I'm routing for the Brazilianinhos

They weren't much better then England in their first game. Took one goal as a fluke fail cross with some bad goalkeeping. Were it not for that they would have drew as well...

They were much better. England are shit.

Brazil are an amazing team.

That played pretty crap against North Korea...

?
They were fine against N.Korea, if you think that was crap, you're fucking stupid.

Brazil are solid, but he didn't say bad, he said boring, and tbh, this Brazil is pretty boring too. Competitive, but boring.

Who said they were boring?

I disagree that they are boring, their formation is constantly changing to cause different problems for the opposition, great to watch.

Fluke fail cross? Are you really talking about Maicon's goal?
Yes because he would cross a ball with that power...

He was looking across the goal to cross it. He was trying to keep it in not score.

If you saw that from any other country, people would just say it was a fluke goal




Which it was.



edit: I mean just looking at it... Look at the angle of his foot. He was just lucky the goalkeeper was where he was

No.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCvMnTfv2zI

Watch where he looks up. Nowhere near the goal.

Looks like he looked quickly to the goalkeeper right after that, and then fired a cannon. Who would a cross a ball with that power? No one.

He was just trying to square it across goal to keep it in. He got lucky, hit it on the outside of the foot, and with the nature of this years ball it swerved across.

There's no way that's deliberate. He's done it before in games, and you can see he meant to do it those times, but this time it was pure fluke and most people agree on it.

most people agree on it.

You're the first one I see mentioning this.

It was a cross because he was at the wrong fucking angle to go for a shot and he was stretching to make contact with the ball.

People who point to the goal vs Portugal have no fucking clue what they are talking about. In that example he gets the ball, takes a touch to set himself up then smashes it.

Yet neither of you address the argument about why so much power. :)

He just hits it with a fully stretched leg... Of course it's gonna get power

lol

as if power comes from extending (stretching?) your leg, you crazy?

i agree with led, if he wanted to pass he would've used the side foot (inner part?) instead of instep/almost outer part of the foot. look closely at the way the ball spins when crossing the line. that was never ever supposed to be a pass to the outside of the 'box'.

He couldn't get the angle to use that part of the foot.

You do know that players smack it into dangerous areas all the time (even with power!) when they are unable to pick a player out right?

The idea is that if someone does get a nick on it, it'll go in, or at the very least deflections will cause havoc in the area, a foul or handball (as opposed to just being kicked out of play).

Maicon was trying to get around the ball to smash it into the players making runs/three centre backs tracking back but the ball was moving too fast and he couldn't get the right angle.

There's no point trying to pick out one forward against three centre backs.

maybe maicon was trying to get 'around the ball' to be able to use the instep/outer part to do what he did. the spin of the ball gives it away in my opinion, that doesn't just happen at this level.

What? you're incredibly stupid, all it takes is for him to not get the required angle and slightly miss-hit the ball to get that spin and power.

You're wrong, just shut the fuck up.

Yeah, that's why professionals who played with the guy thinks he was crossing the ball and only morons on the internet think he meant it.

You're the minority, moron.

That's a new one... A Frenchman calling other people morons :P


And no, we're not in the minority. People that played with the guy as well as plenty others agree that he's just looking to keep it in, not score.

Even if we are the minority, we're in the minority that includes actual professional and ex-professional football players rather than just spectators (Who are apparently clueless about every aspect of the game anyway).

another moron on the internet:

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/maicon-...g-shooting

Of course he would say that.

Dumber than Gillz. :>

And Roy Keane didn't mean to end Alf-Inge Haaland's career.

I have heard of plenty of cases where players said that they intended to flank but the that ended up in the net.

You just choose to believe some ex-professionals guesses who saw a video and call the player himself a liar.

You can't believe anyone about such things.

Yet, you made it very clear that you believe those ex-professionals.
Even though in their case it is just an opinion and in Maicon's case you are accusing him of lying.

Because ex-professionals have nothing to gain and are therefore far more objective etc.

But the point is that all those ex-professionals can do is look at a video and maybe imagine what they would have done. And I think you agree that English player are not the same as Brazilians when it comes to creativity in offense.
Also, from what he says it sounds a bit like he decided to shoot two meters earlier but couldn't control the ball then and just said fuck it I'll shoot anyway. but that would be as speculative as any other opinion.


Facts in this matter are these:

Pro intentional:
1. The goalie did stand too far into the field, and Maicon did look in his direction so he could have seen that. (Whether he did and whether it influenced his decision is again pure speculation)
2. If someone wants to shoot on the goal in that situation, it would look exactly like it did.
3. He says he did it intentionally.

Contra intentional:
1. People usually don't shoot from that position.


Can't think of any other statements for 'contra', because the only opinion that was directly involved in the decision process is himself. Feel free to add some, though.

They weren't English players, they included world cup winners (played with Maicon) and champions league winners (Played with other Brazilians). Also, a Brazilian football correspondent said nobody in Brazil (media/famous players/etc.) thinks it was intentional.

1. Maicon looks across the box (not at the keeper)
2. Maicon decides to shoot as the options for a cross were like 4 N.Korea - 1 Brazil
3. Maicon misses the opportunity to shoot (even by his own words)
4. Maicon either smashes it and hopes for something to happen (be it a goal, deflection or assist) or it goes out for a goal kick.

That's unintentional. If he had gone for a cross in that situation, it would still have looked like it did, because he just swung at the ball and hoped for the best.

And yes, I call that a cross as it was directed across the goal but got the lucky spin.

1. Maicon looks across the box (not at the keeper)

you must have seen a different video than me, cause he does look at both. He twists his head to look for a teammate, like he should, but during that motion he also looks in the direction of the goalie.

2. Maicon decides to shoot as the options for a cross were like 4 N.Korea - 1 Brazil

so yes, he shoots. On the goal.

3. Maicon misses the opportunity to shoot (even by his own words)

yes. He missed the better angle.
How does that translate into him not trying from a worse angle?

4. Maicon either smashes it and hopes for something to happen (be it a goal, deflection or assist) or it goes out for a goal kick.

speculation.



I also found this interesting article where the "Brazilian expert" gives his view.

They also link to this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCrnLKL8vN8

Doing the same thing twice by accident?
I don't think so.

Well, of course he also sees the keeper when looking across the box, I didn't think I needed to add obvious things in :D

He missed the chance for a proper shot by miles, so he just swung at it with power in the hope of getting something, anything out of it.

Those goals aren't remotely the same thing and only similar in goal-scorer and position on the pitch.

I already pointed out how different the goal against Portugal is, he receives the ball at a decent angle and in space, takes a touch to set himself up then hammers it home with a blast (His foot is angled perfectly straight and the ball follows a straight path).

The goal against N.Korea on the other hand, he is played in and doesn't receive the ball and doesn't have a decent angle, he doesn't take a touch as it's too far ahead of him, then he just smashes the ball sideways at a stretch and the way he makes contact gives it spin, taking it past the keeper.

Basically his intention was neither to play in a team mate, nor to curve it in like that, the intention was just to smash it and see what happened.

Well, of course he also sees the keeper when looking across the box, I didn't think I needed to add obvious things in :D

well you did write "(not at the keeper)" in your post, so I felt the need to clarify.


And yes, it can be called desperate attempt. Kinda like a buzzer beater in Basketball. But if someone hit does make it, there is noone saying it wasn't intentional.

The difference is they are specifically aiming for the basket, whereas I do not believe in any way Maicon was intentionally aiming at the goal, it was just a "hit it or it'll come to nothing anyway" kick (Which is why he hits the ball side on and not at a slightly more direct and easier angle).

well, I and many others think differently.

After all, if you look at it objectively, aiming directly at the goal is the best option in that situation, unlike other goals I have seen that were really unintentional.

well, I and many others think differently.

After all, if you look at it objectively, aiming directly at the goal is the best option in that situation, unlike other goals I have seen that were really unintentional.

He didn't aim directly at the goal though, that's the point.

eh, what?

of course he didn't aim straight at the goal, that is what spin is for.
Look at his goal against Portugal again, he gives the ball the exact same spin there.

Or if you want look at the famous free-kick by Roberto Carlos. He didn't aim at the goal either.


What Maicon did is exactly how a player in that position should shoot if he wants to score. Yet, you insist that he had neither the will, nor the technique to do it. And on top of it you claim he is lying.

Not very convincing.

The goal against Portugal isn't remotely similar in terms of technique, nor is the Roberto Carlos free-kick against France (Could you possibly have picked a less similar goal bar a header?), just look at how they kick the ball in those situations, the angles and body positioning in relation to the ball etc.

What Maicon did is exactly how a player in that position should kick the ball if he wants to kick the ball in hope of something occurring rather than the ball going out for a goal kick.

Obviously the technique was "right" to score a goal as he did but that's irrelevant since that doesn't tell us if it was intentional or not. You can get technique perfect entirely accidentally.

"Will" isn't a replacement for "intention", I don't believe he intentionally shot at goal. I have the will to do plenty of things, it doesn't mean I will or I intend on doing them.

Lucky spin... see, this is solid proof you know shit about football. If he just wanted to smash a cross he would've used the inner part of the foot.

And here in Brazil, where I live, EVERYONE thinks it was intentional.

You're just full of shit.

I already explained that he couldn't get the angle to use the side of his foot, just like he didn't have the angle for a "proper" shot (Such as the one vs Portugal).

I was just saying what the Brazilian correspondent had reported the media/etc. in Brazil were saying.

I already explained that he couldn't get the angle to use the side of his foot

Sure he could, that's what he did.

If he just wanted to smash a cross he would've used the inner part of the foot.

So now you are saying he did do this?

I thought you meant the outer part of the foot.

Anyway, how did he not have the angle to use the inner part?

He was as far round as he could get anyway, to hit it with the inside of his foot would have required bone gymnastics.

No.

Nonsense.

i'm incredibly stupid for thinking he did that on purpose? err... how long did/do you play football yourself and how competitive were/are you?

if you're taking this stuff against me as a person i'm inclined to play along, so... how much do you really know about the game?

Well, that's irrelevant and I have no need to spew my life story about here, since just about every ex-professional (including ones who played with the guy) agree it was unintentional.

Now it's 'every ex-professional'. Source please.

British TV.

irrelevant, really? in other words you don't know anything about football but are one of those annoying types who can't stop teaching the ones that know better?

No.

But hey, that didn't stop you spewing shit about Israel and Palestine right?

haha :D got ya

Got me?

I did address this issue, he was stretching for it at a funny angle so he just swung at it.

There a billions of examples of crosses that are just pure smashes across the box that had that intended power too, so it's not even a great point.

Right so because it was a steep angle, he _needs_ to cross with that power. What logic is this?
Here where I live this isn't even open for debate, I just feel like I'm being trolled hardcore here.

Well, all the commentators, pundits etc in England agreed on it (and not because they were English, since Vieira agreed it was) but I dunno about what your coverage was getting

And good old Paddy played with Maicon for a fair few years...

all the english "pundits" just agree with eachother all the time, its boring. i think he meant it, since he looked up saw the keeper was well off his line and then hit it with the outside of his foot. wondergoal! but really only maicon would know for sure if he meant it.

Vieira and Davids aren't your typical English pundits...

No.

what i dont understand is why english team doesnt have the attack mind, i mean.. look: rooney, ashley cole(for me one of the best fullbacks in the world), lenon, lampard, gerrard... i just dont.. ok you guys have capello as a coach a typical italian but still...

A.Cole is by far the best left back.

Also, Lennon is one dimensional and Gerrard is a liability in possession so the team is forced to "kick and run" as our friendly German chum pointed out.

dude i agree about a cole, but whatever.. you understand what i mean.. i was once discussing with rikard(forgot his nickname in here whatever i dont care) and i was telling him that.. people do really think we only have good players.. but.. our coaches are really good as well, you kno why? cuz in brazil.. if you are hired now.. and if you have 5 loses in a row.. you are DISMISSED hahahahahah so coaches in here.. managers.. they have to work under pressure.. against the crowd.. i mean.. im not defending my damn country i guess it is wrong(by now) but.. it foces coaches etc to do their best you know?

whats up guys, i thought your group was EASY, eh?
http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/4847/thesunworldcup2010.jpg

lol, was that really the front page?

Yeah because a piece of shit paper like the sun speaks for us all

pretty much everyone was saying how easy the group would be idiot

and the sun rox (i like the sex stories)

A sun reader calling me an idiot ? how refreshing

noobs from brum arent allowed to reply to me until theyve been members of the site for 1+ years

You sound like a very bitter and angry person are you unhappy with your life?Maybe you should speak to someone about it rather than try and spread your anger.All you have done is try to insult me and you can't even do that properly.Maybe you should just give in and end it all dude i think it would be easier

you sound welsh to me

Also i just live in Birmingham i don't come from here.

what uni do you go to?

The Sun is a piece of shit. The only thing that's true in that paper is the date. And even then I'd still be suspicous.

yeah, im not arguing and i see that most people arent delusional, i just thought that this frontpage was pretty hilarious .. like the usa won 1-1 one :))
also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdxj9gJMqS4
so sayeth the wise rooney who was pretty much the worst player in the field today

what did he expect? A standing ovation for that performance?

must be a sun reader

uaaaaaaau hahahahahahahahahaha they should be embarrassed after that hahaha

GO BRASIL !!!

What a bunch of losers can't even win a football game against some obscure football nation. Lame. Shaming performance of this overpaid bunch of lazy chavs.

huehauhe this mundial is getting better and better

this world cup is the best ever because of these upsets.


although for it to be an upset, said nations would need to play good. So scrap that as well lol

still, it's the best worst WC in years.. so much fail

.............A
...........L...L
.........G......G
.......E..........E
.....R..............R
...I...................I
A...L...G..E..R...I...A

Looks like all of us are getting a good dose or LMAOs

really fucking bad,looks like we are scared and have no idea how to play the game.
prolly the worst game i have ever seen rooney play,lampard,heskey and lennon usual crap games for england.
capello needs to sort this mess out,change formation for sure.
play gerrard in centre midfield or behind rooney,and why does he keep bringing on swp he is fucking useless.
and where is joe cole????

Heskey was one of the better players, pretty stupid to blame him.

oh man lol i aint going over the same shit with you again.
you should get off heskeys cock,its disgusting.

WHY PLAY A STRIKER THAT DOESN'T SCORE GOALS....

the end.

And you should get off his back. It's disgusting that he is always the scapegoat for clueless people like you that don't really understand football, but it's never Rooney's fault is it? Or Lampard, Gerrard, the list goes on.

Why play a striker that doesn't score goals?

Again, back to my clueless point, teams all over the world use a target man - Heskey has been ours for a decade now so I was hoping that you would have learned something in them 10 years. I guess not though.

Anwway, conna be arsed argue with you, you're pretty stupid and deluded.

the thing is i know your about 10 years old,i was playing/watching football when you was just a twinkle in your dads eye to,say i know nothing about it just sums you up.
please stop stalking me on here too,everytime i post here you pop acting all macho,maybe you fancy me?
if you think emile is good or deserves a place in the starting 11 then im done with you...

16, get it right youth. And please, learn how to spell.

What good team at this world cup use a target man?
What good team at the last European championship use a target man?
What good team in the champions league use a target man?

Inter Milan (champions league winners)
Chelsea (Premiership + FA Cup winners)

Thanks.

you dont get it do you.the target men that play for inter and chelsea actually score goals,which means they are usefull.
pfft

Heskey scored goals back in his day, we need a new target man now really. But as far as I'm concerned we need to completely change everything now, get fucking rid of everyone and bring some youth into the squad.

Useful*

Drogba and Milito aren't target men...

I never said they were? Although, Drogba was used as a target man under Mourinho.

So who were their target men?

Drogba is and was way more than a target man for Chelsea, he's a complete forward and does everything.

oh im not blaming heskey,cappelo is the one to blame.

heskey is fuckign aweful his first touch is disgusting for that level. he cant even score goals, the guy shouldnt even be in south africa never mind being first choice.

He isn't there to score goals, for a start.

Did you see that ludicrous display last night?

LLANELLI is in the midst of football fever as the World Cup prepares for kick off.

But with Wales not taking part, one thing is clear – people in the town will not be supporting England.

In fact businesses expecting a bumper month have turned their back on the old enemy across the border.

Nerys Hughes, sales manager at Tesco said: "We are not selling England flags in Llanelli.

http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/news/won-t-...ticle.html

Lol, the yocals are out in full force!

lmao at wales,rly

I'm sure the English team are disappointed in not getting support from Wales.








... Wales.

Well given your best striker is slagging off the English supporters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NksGMQpDFOc along with wales and scotland, http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20100619/tuk-hmv-r...a1618.html maybe there is logic there after all as the entire UK is slagging you off. Even England. Sorry I forgot N.Ireland, but they mostly like seeing you fuck up too. As is most of the world given your two stunning performances.

My replies are always better than yours :)

No Smart ass answer, not even one crafted to appeal to the handful of socially dysfuntional affiliates you made online with your own levels and currency of funny?

I'm disappointed.

http://esreality.hexus.net/?a=post&id=1898547#pid1898547

Would be funny if none of the big teams (England, Germany, Spain, etc) manage to win the next matches too and get eliminated by some third world country nigger team.

0_0

ó_ò

http://i.imgur.com/Fk5Ol.jpg

lmao @ World Cup

"whore, if you are fucking with me?"


???

Do not ask me, I've found it somewhere and i didnt even bother to check it. But feel free to post correct sentences

"Putain, moque-tu moi?" (I think)

"Willst du Hurensohn mich verarschen?"



But in my version the Pole would probably be crying, cause they failed to qualify against such worthless opposition :)

No, because it isn't a Pole fanboy, just a real soccer connoisseur

if he is a football connaisseur he should also be crying :|

"Putain, tu te fous de moi ?"

Your flag is upside down.

I don't get why malta of all countries would laugh at those results, they're the ones that would end up claiming a 0-0 as a victory if they'd ever qualify

Anyone know if England are keeping James in goal?
They should, he's always been really good and reliable.

I think Green will be so relieved his team got through he will be more than happy to sit it out.

Must suck to be so good, to get choosen, then one mistake and its ruined his confidence etc. Aswell as the nations :(

Used to play as a goalkeeper before I did my shoulder in and confidence is everything. If you get sat out then it's game over. It can take ages to get back to old form so I feel really sorry for Green especially since it was one silly mistake. If it's bad for me and other goalies I knew for shitty little local games, then it must fucking suck since it's the World Cup :P

By all means, put Green in next game!!!

Calamity James? Reliable? Are you taking the piss?

He is known for making mistakes just like Green is.

Hart, is the best keeper we've had since Peter Shilton and we're not even fucking using him.

oh, this will be good.