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my little brother subscribes to this magazine. i saw the article and laughed and told him it was bullshit.
obviously though game informer is a magazine intended mainly for console n00bs so it's not a big deal.

Still offensive... don't write about something you know very little about.

lol, but you must know nothing about fps if you think that article is decent.

most of these maps are just boring "go from point A to point B" for graphical whore noobs.

That's also why they are so successful.

Not to mention the fact that the article's writer doesn't seem to realise that there's 2 version of de_dust and that team fortress =/= team fortress 2.

It's also obvious that he's a fanboy of battlefield & goldeneye. Perfect Dark was far better than goldeneye, but you know, just cuz it's not realistic, and just cuz there isn't james bond @ PD, then it's not worth mentionning.
I don't care if goldeneye was the first, because the 2nd (PD) was obviously better...

And I laughed at the Q2 map. The guy talks about competition for de_dust but still mentions this bullshit "all vertical @ let's spam RL" map from q2... seriously...

s/=\/=/!=

That sounds like the definition of journalism to me.

2fort fucking sucks and always has -_-

Fuck you, 2fort rapes, just not in that shitty game.

The only thing 2Fort rapes is you

u r dum

dum dum

That game is a "shitty" one only to idiots who never tried it and judge it by it's (stylized) looks.

No.

Come on now. Bad netcode, horrible hitboxes, massive range of melee weapons?

The game its self is fun, but, you still know it's kind of broken.

LOL

I have this shitty game and it sux really hard...

It's a shitty game, period.

Agree, and everyone who ever play or played TF2 at competitive level has the same opinion.

Its not even in any map poll nowadays.

"TF2 at competitive level"
i lol'd

I lol @ retardeds who speak about something they don't know and yet think they are right.

You've posted many times in this thread, yet have defended your game zero times, or given explanations to why it should be taken seriously at a competitive level.

Hence why no one gives a shit what you say atm.

face it, qwtf, q3f, q3f beta2, etf = where it was at.

tf2 is a fun public game but it stops there

20 pro players doesn't make quake more competetive than TF2 or any other game.

17 - get it right.

I thought 17 was pk ? :P

It's a general purpose meme.

Good gameplay makes a game with a good potential...Retarded newb-freindly gameplay makes a game with a gay potential.

q2? never mind the map

mp_sacred

List over.

yeah definitely, sacred is awesome :D

sacred rox!!!

dust1? WTF? It should obviously be dust2.

newfag

where is dm6? fucking idiot.

Yeah, gotta agree with Terbo.

How the hell can he put Tokay's Tower before The Edge?! Best map ever made!

dmsh

not even ztn? aerowalk? wtf is this list? always hate when writers like these write articles and just fuck it up entirely...

this isn't a list of Q3 1v1 maps

aerowalk is a Quakeworld map

this isn't a list of Quake 1v1 maps

Aerowalk is also an unreal tournament map.

This isn't a list of 1v1 maps

lold

Journalism newbs don't play hardcore games like quake.

Im thinking that dm4 in quakeworld should be at the top somewhere, its been overplayed for a decade or longer :D

ztn should be there somewhere as well.

Yeh, but it honestly isn't such an awesome map.
dm6 and dm2 are being played aslong as dm4. Imo all 3 of these maps aren't really brilliant tho.

I only played qw for a while, just noticed that dm4 was played a lot more than other maps. might have been wrong.

You are correct :(

dm6 isnt played cus of its brilliance. It has been played cus of tradition. It was the best of the original maps, which was why it became a favourite. I believe thats the only reason why it was kept after custom maps were introduced.

It sure has more brilliance then dm4 and dm2... imo.

No argument about that. But that doesnt really make dm6 any less shitty.

the best map of all time cannot be overplayed

No dm6 from q3? No dm4 from qw? Tokay's Tower instead of The Edge? Dust instead of dust2? Bad list :/

Why even bother to troll.
Just the same thing as I saw recently, fallout 3 and super mario online in list of the top5 rpgs of all time. Some people simply like to make "top X" just to include their personal favourite.

Who the hell is buying a gaming 'zine these days anyway.

The game selection is alright, but damn, this is a bad list. No Dust2, they chose Crash from COD4? What about carentan from COD1 and 2 AND 4? (aka China Town). Never heard of that tower map, should be The Edge. 2Fort from TF2? Really? People really must enjoy the 10v10 spamfest that is 2Fort in TF2.

I won't be the typical ESR'er and rage about no Q3 maps (Although you would of thought DM6), but this is a really bad list :(

q2dm2 get with ze times!

Well 2fort has been around for more than 10 years since QWTF and it says TF not TF2 so I don't blame him but it's far from the best TF2 map.

It's a good TF map, but not a good TF2 map.

True statement.

Are you kidding? 2fort sucks in any incarnation of TF. If you're going to pick any classic TF map it should be well.

carentan? maybe
but imho THE cod's map should be toujane...no one else...(except indeed carentan)
but crash....
it's a map for dummies, the best cod4 map it's probably Strike.

de_dust2>de_dust

quake's may be a good choice, but q3dm6 is probably the most played and ported map ever

LoL :D

Dust- ok, it kinda is most overplayed and popular cs map.

3 maps from battlefield series - fail.

1 tottaly wrong map from quake - what about dm6 and edge. DM6 perhaps is the most played map ever, it was massively overplayed in both quake 3, then in UT2004 and now in quakelive. And Edge is just classic. 2 good not to be here :D

No Deck 16... fail.(fanboyism :P)

Crash from cod series... yes it is good map but the pick is fail, Carentan or Toujane maybe?

dm-turbine, dm-deck16][, dm-goose2k4 any1? jesus \o/

I hope you mean Deck 16

I second that but, DM-Deck16][ to be specific :P

ofc, my bad :)

great addition to the top10 list of pointless top10 lists

dm17 hands down.

The only map on this list that I can really get behind is Wake Island.

ITT: people who first played Q2 recently, and who think Q3 was bigger than Q2

Well q3dm6 is kinda crappy map. Can't say anything about q2dm1, because i played it last time like 10 years ago. But no aerowalk? Really? This top10 doesn't worth to be posted anywhere.

Agree.

Aero is topnodge for QW and Q3.

Foolish Goldeneye pick too...

Probably shoulda been Stack or Complex. Anything without ridiculously slow doors that you can mine after gaining the lead, really.

Complex was good, but nobody I knew ever wanted to play that map (especialy with proximity mines). So maybe I would consider Basement as my pick. Simple, but competitive.

i know right? facility? cmon its complex all the way.

de_dust....?! i mean, d2 i could tolerate (even if it shouldn't be no. 1)

.. and i agree. has to be aerowalk.

Isntead of making such a top 10 that douche should have made a list of the best maps for the most popular multiplayer games that generally are milestones in FPS gaming. Who the hell played Halo multi besides xbox users? I think 10 maps from 10 fps games in the last couple of years would have been more than enough to make a good article, but yeah - the guy is an idiot.

Halo PC had a CPL tournament btw

Which I am sure had a lot to do with the game being successful for the xbox.

no qwdm4/qwdm6 = lose
and no dm17? wtf.. pretty much the most popular noob map evah! (and this is who the article is targetted at)

major?

Replace 2fort with badlands. 2fort is a terrible ctf map.

2fort is a classic map though.
Its made it from Team fortress to, team fortress classic, q3f, ETF and TF2.

Why does anyone here should give a crap about a guy who is obiously NOT that much into gaming? Why is this majored anyway?

Obvious troll-bait.

this is a console magazine you retards. look at pc gamers top 10. guarantee you won't be satisfied either... whoever posted this should be burned at the stake, and if he survives then he's not an idiot. and whoever majored it should be stoned to death.

notice how the only quake map on there is from quake 2? haha burn
btw: q2dm2 is far superior of a map as far as team goes (and duel in my opinion) than the EDGE. granted q2dm1 was the only map we played for aLOOOONG time, it's very unbalanced and not worth really any good comp. Look at it's SHORT SHORT run in OSP and how HORRIBLE it was in q4. Tokay's > Edge 2ez. as anyone who knows shit about q2 lol.

the map itself it's not that much unbalanced (except for camping the elevator and boxes). The game is.
btw catodm1 is a far better version with little changes, but "recently" (maybe 6 months ago) I was searching for the q3 version and couldn't find it. Where I can get it from?


maybe we could do an esr list with the 20 best maps on fast fps games (fast = excluding cs, bf, cod, halo and consoles, etc)


edit: the thing about classic maps is that mostly they are not that good, but they have been played a lot (mainly because they come with the game). For that reason they are played on a totally different way than what the map creator wanted (as willits once said on an interview) and then they become great.
Lets look at q2dm1 boxes and other double jumps, quake3's dm6, qw dm6 (I think this is the best example of how gameplay has evolved on a classic map), etc. Those maps were fairly simple when they were released, but now they are considered to be complex only because of the players.
Ofc there are exceptions, like pk sacred.

you want edge for q3? i believe it's OSPDM1 for vq3. it came with the OSP client. For CPM the map is called nodm10 i believe.

it's not that one. The one I'm looking is a remake of q2dm1 (with little changes), which is also available for q3. When I get home I'll search it and post it here.

I found it rather quickly, but I prefer the quake2 version since it's closer to the original. Evenso the q3 version is neat.

Thing is that it wasn't the version I was looking for. It looks like a futuristic remake of catodm1, again when I get home I'll search for it (probably for a video in which it's featured) and create a topic if necessary.


edit and offtopic: tech edge looks awesome. It's one of the maps of the last quake3 mapping competition.

i must have not seen this... can you link me?

nvm i found it... lol. gonna have a look

Where is dm4 from QW ?
Where is q2dm1 from Q2
Where is q3dm6 from Q3

Where is aerowak from any quake ?
http://zapodaj.net/images/1e9b44100bf9.bmp

Where are UT/UT2004 maps ?

Where is Sacred from PK ?

i agree aero should be there. but let's get real.. noone cares about quake outside our community

massive [+] for ironic comparison <33333333 that screenshot

also missing for complete assrape:

vq3 aerowalk and the UT aerowalk :>

Yea weird list. Imo dust2 > dust counter-strike wise. no one ever plays the normal dust.
and where is dm6?

Just goes to show, there are 'gaymers' and there are 'gamers'. One of those have a clue, the other thinks they have a clue.

de_dust and a picture of CS:S? fail.

This douchebag isnt a real gamer. Chosing de_dust in stead of dust2 for CS is fail. Chosing the Source version in stead of 1.6 is even more fail. Edge isnt there. El Alamein isnt there for BF1942. No Q1, Q3 or UT maps...

Source > 1.6, HTH.

Source is for newcomers who value better graphics over gameplay. 1.6 is for elitist and has a higher skill gap. No wonder ppl new to CS would chose source cus it is newbie friendly, but hence it is the inferior game.

Yeah you tell him!

1.6?? wtf newfag, everyone knows cs went down the shithole after beta 5.2

I have played the game since betas and prefer 1.6 tbh. Now ofc. there are stuff from the beta versions that I do miss, but overall i prefer 1.6.

u fell 4 mah trull m8. obviously the betas where you could bunnyhop were the pinnacle of all things counter-strike

People new to cybersport would choose any cs, because it's newbie friendly

No. Would choose CS cus its popular, and probably havent even heard of Quake. They might even play Modern Warfare or some shit, just because it looks good and everyone else plays it.

de_dust is correct... danish cs scene, hahhha

Dont even get what that sentence was about. What are you trying to say about the danish CS-scene? :)

Deck 16 - CTF Face

the article seems to be about the most played crapmaps : (

I'M SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ANGRrRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously though, I don't see much wrong with that list coming from a public / casual players perspective. Obviously if he had played any of these games competitively the list would of been different. Why so angry?

LOL

where is q2dm1 and dm6? tokays tower?? lol

dm1 lol?

as in q2dm1 - the edge maybe??

as in that map is lol?

no ztn is fail

I'd have expected q3dm17 from a mainstream magazine, so q2dm2 is a great choice, nothing wrong with that being his favourite quake map, shows more taste than just going for an obvious choice like dm4 or q2dm1.

dm6 for sure. best map ever was compressed in ut2k3!

ut had alot of good maps!

Thats right, UT :P
I can think of Ironic as the only decent submition that newer parts made, but thats not enough to make it to top ten.

pressure, codec, turbine, curse, deck16

pressure

pressure..?

what

wasn't there a ut map called pressure? or pressure chamber or something like that?

There was/is yes, but its fucking horrible if you ask me.

this ^

Pressure was played a great deal in 2005-2007 in the open cup iirc, it was a nice mix up from playing the same maps + tempest over and over =)


Converyor 6on6 anyone?

It was played even more before. Great map, the variety of maps and how they are played is the best point of UT.

that's because lamers play "special" maps, same stuff with q3/ql and those absurd maps in space

lol, dude u must be fucking kidding me rofl, where the fuck is q2dm1? This is the best map id software ever made. And u put q2dm2 instead of q2dm1? What the fuck? Tokays tower is zero compared to Q2dm1... And also q3dm6 is missing.... but its really a shame that you didnt heard about q2dm1 aka the edge being one of the best and most played maps ever! Its also made for many different games like unreal, quake3, quake4, doom3 ..............

game biased post.

Being myself a former q2 player for many years (98 to 2009, with gaps in within) I can't say q2dm1 is one of the best and most played maps ever.
Q2 is/was (more like was) nowhere near in terms of popularity to cs, halo and other fps games, never.
"The best" is subjective but you have to consider it has serious balance issues in q2 gameplay, mostly camping respawns with the railgun on the center of the map, boxes item dominance, etc.

I really don't know why there isn't or it isn't popular a gameplay remake mod like cpma for quake2. Recently I saw a q2 final (purri v. damiah for the 9999 time) and purri won it by doing a serious comeback of like 10+ frags in a row by respawn kills, with just the railgun (1 shot 1 kill). It wasn't on q2dm1 and I can't recall the name of the map. Last week I saw a quake2 video in which damiah gets 5+ frags on a duel against a good player by just sitting on the center of q2dm1 with his railgun, not moving once.

u are wrong, the edge is on of the best maps ever.

best != most popular

Actually one could argue that q2 was more popular than cs has ever been, simply because the only mainstream games you could play online during its peak were q1/w and q2. Percentage wise q2 would have had a larger % of market share than cs has ever acheived.

c'mon....

I remember when all the q2 dm players started switching to CS. And I mean, as in seeing they moving literally. How they started talking about the new goal based thing in the servers and they started moving on following their friends recomendations.

I think that's the thing that really bothered me. I have friends who aren't gamers and they know the edge. Anyone who played Quake 2 for more than a day would know The Edge was the most notable map.

dm6

Some are correct. Some are a bit questionable. Terbo, make your own list.

I always thought q2dm2 was the best q2 tdm map

no, never. I personally love q2dm2 and q2dm7, those two maps are my best maps in Q2 TDM, but there is so many others which dislikes thos maps a lot. For an example, sweden hate q2dm2 but totally in love with q2dm3. :)

Of course, I mean imo of course...

someone do a top 10 ctf maps pls

q2ctf1 ;)

lol agreed azmo

wasnt impressed from youtube video
water sucks

Not that Im trying to convince you or anything, I havent played the map in probably 10 years by now, but water is less of an obstacle when the grapple is involved.

1. q3wcp9
2. q3wcp9
3. q3wcp9
4. q3wcp9
5. q3wcp9
6. q3wcp9
7. q3wcp9
8. q3wcp9
9. q3wcp9
10. q3wcp9

the map is only good in cpm
it sucks in vq3 and ut2004

please stop commenting on quake related topics. cpm basically broke wcp9.

it didn't break it, cpma just meant that people who could move could finally take advantage of the massive figure 8 the map was built around ;D

cpm not cpma (vq3).

please, wcp9 was best in threewave CTFS, go away to ut again

q3wctf2

I think that no matter how good the other maps from any game would be, in most cases first place will go to Face. I was seriously scared when I joined Warsow server and saw Face conversion there. Still I would put some Tribes maps somewhere there.

lol im from ut & face wouldnt make my top 10 :P

Neither to my list of maps I like or I think are best for competiton, however we cant deny that it was Face which popularized CTF in UT. So it deserves a spot just for that reason, whether we like it or not, whether we think it is good or not.

uhm.. stop majoring forum posts?

where is facing worlds from UT 99 ?? or mp_jor1 from sof2 :|

btw, instead of trolling, why don't you make your top 10 and prove that you have a brain.

from the games i played:
- Campgrounds (ql)
- Rankin (ut2004)
- Sacred (pk)
- Carentan (cod)
- Vice City (gta) ;o

Man I loved Rankin :D

what about ironic(ut)?

depends if its 1v1 or tdm maps being chosen...seems like tdm

perhaps jamerio could get a job at this 'gameinformer'.

my top maps would be like

Q2dm1 = The Edge
Q3dm6 = Campground Deluxe
de_dust 2
dust
qwdm4

I didnt include cod and custom maps. Cod was released really late.

good pick.

there must be some good ut series maps, too (deck 16).

wow, that guy must have been drunk when makin this list, or he never really played any of the games mentioned.
the best maps are missing and he threw some random ones in his list. GJ dude!

If you ask me that's a stupid topic, regardless of how you want to approach it. But if you really want to do it, at least take the time to go and ask the individual communities. Otherwise is just a crappy journalism.

lol some console guy just made a list of his 10 best maps and he dont give a fuck about u, cos this is his list

facility (golden eye)
q3wcp9 (quake 3)
qzctf7 (quake live)
river (gears of war 2)
terminal (cod mw2)

yeah facility was so nice!
golden eye hat really really good maps.

pff, everybody knows urban is the best map ever made !

airport is my favorite map for aq2.

If esr does a top10/top20 fast fps mp maps first there should be a thread discussing which games and mods to consider, being as wide as possible.

Dont think I played that one, back in the day only jungle1, teamjungle and urban were played in tournaments in Iceland :)

There were some classic public server maps though like beer, teamdepo, actcity2, urban3, lighthouse.

If only quakelive had the endless amounts of pure fun maps like aq had :D

airport is from that time too (1999).

In Chile there's still an aq2 league and they play 300+ maps so the game keeps fresh, including all maps released (probably 400+ but don't wanna risk it) except the ridiculous ones (piga3 for example, in which you start in the air and freefall for about 20 secs) and some the admins don't want to add due to laziness (sandstorm or "new" ones from aq2world).

It's funny how a 10+ year old game has still living communities and leagues all over the world (besides cs and sc), and probably the main reason is map variety and having really good maps.

Hehe yeah, its a shame that ql isnt like this. Being able to randomly callvote any map on an insanely long list and just know what ever map came up it was always gonna be very much playable :)

any video with freestyler as their music choice is on to a winner!






lol.

looks like mirrors edge, lol

I really hope the last line was a joke.

lolled

Quakers being reminded of their own insignificance, so sad.

I can understand Wake Island given its popularity in two games, and a third practicaly made around it, but thats it.

This is funny.

But seriously, you're wasting your time.

agree with dust, facility, and wake

fuck the rest

lazy games journalism shocker

Even though I'm not a fan of Unreal, I thought Deck16 was actually good, surprised it isn't on there. Also, like everyone else surprised DM17 isn't there or the Edge, to a lesser extent DM6, and to a much lesser extent, any Quake1/world maps. I'm actually a little bit surprised they included Quake2, what percentage of their readers actually played quake1-3? I'm guessing very little

deck is shit

honest to god, deck IS the shit.

srsly

No it is shit. The guy I quoted actually said unreal deck which is amazingly worse than deck in UT.

If he does mean UT it is still terrible. Like all the other UT maps it is a train wreck of what epic thought was good armour balance (lol we must have 1 jacket + 1 belt only, ever), full weapons and ammo pickups (weapon plus two ammo packs were the norm), no limited items (no maps lacking rail, lg, etc).

The out of the box UT maps were the best of any fps ever for most things, they seriously put every other fps to shame. Check the quality and the sheer volume of quality. However for dueling UT maps were not so great and the third party scene never came to the table like in quake because the maps worked well enough with the mishmash that I mentioned in my second paragraph :)

How many completly custom maps are played in competitve duel in lets say Q3? Aerowalk and ztn. How many in UT? Spheres and DavidM. Well they are only used occasionaly, and usual (not counting rare events like custom maps only cups) tournament map list doesnt contain custom maps, but still. Then however in TDM we have Nitro and Richocet which are played competitively for years.

I agree that in duel the difference in usage comes from the fact that in UT we can easly put not only 5 but even 7 playable standard maps, and so custom maps must compete with them. In Q3 without custom maps we would have to play a very poor maps like T2 (yes, no more of that map) and even then T4 had to be kept (thx QL) :P Not to mention both aerowalk and ztn, were made back in Q1.

About the problems of orginal UT maps Im honestly not convinced about them. The pace in which UT weapons can deplete ammo is rather high, and respawn time for both weapons and ammo is 27.5sec, which make it impossible to replenish ammo as often as in Q3 with old 15sec settings, and doesnt even come close to currently used 5sec (I was shocked they used it in IEM). DM13 infinite rocket spam anyone? As for armours we must keep in mind they are much stronger than the ones in Quakes - Q3s yellow armour is equal to UTs pads, and Q3s red armour is even weaker than UTs body armour. And if it is about number, we had an example of what can happen if there are too many items on rather large maps in UT2003, where there was too much spread to control everything (I swear the main reason 2004 was better than UT2003 was not playing duel with amp anymore).

On side note, I think that all of current UT CTF tournament maps are custom.

"How many completly custom maps are played in competitve duel in lets say Q3? "

At its peak 1-2. At UTs peak zero. At q3s peak a map list might contain 5-6 maps where as UT could be anything from 6-10 with insane things like tempest included for duelling. Percentage wise Q3 is way ahead, but more than just numbers it means the community will at least accept change.

Sphere and Davidm are not used regularly, they are not "standard" like ztn or aero. In addition to this no tweaks or community accepted additions were made to UT whereas they were made for q3. I feel this is because UT works well enough out of the box not to bother whereas Q3 was fairly broken. Also davidm, if it is the map with that name was not good, this map and the other third party ones around the same time were not very good.

I don't care about TDM or CTF, however the UT map and item style means almost anything works.

"I agree that in duel the difference in usage comes from the fact that in UT we can easly put not only 5 but even 7 playable standard maps, and so custom maps must compete with them."

Tempest was an accepted duel map up until at least 2002. I feel this highlights the problems with UT in general. Tempest was not a good duel map but it was played because it sort of worked. If you were playing for fun it was okish, if you were playing to win it was disgusting for all involved. Since tempest was accepted as a duel map so should have arcane, peak, crane and any of the other retarded non-duel suited maps that would work because of how UT appears to have been designed.

"In Q3 without custom maps we would have to play a very poor maps like T2 (yes, no more of that map) and even then T4 had to be kept (thx QL) :P"

And playing tempest is somehow better than playing t4? T4 is "better" for dueling than tempest ever was.

"Not to mention both aerowalk and ztn, were made back in Q1."

Irrelevant. Remakes are acceptable if they are good maps that work on the new game. Both of these work in q3/whatever.

"The pace in which UT weapons can deplete ammo is rather high, and respawn time for both weapons and ammo is 27.5sec, which make it impossible to replenish ammo as often as in Q3 with old 15sec settings."

Thats fine. However the weapon does not have to have the ammo next to it. Also the doubled up aspect of the weapons gives you twice as many pick ups that do similar things (rockets + falk alt, pulse + mini, shock + sniper, etcetc). Look at deck, pulse and mini next to each other WITH full ammo? Do you really need that many shots of hitscan in one place?

"As for armours we must keep in mind they are much stronger than the ones in Quakes - Q3s yellow armour is equal to UTs pads, and Q3s red armour is even weaker than UTs body armour."

That is also fine, since the damage absorption is not the problem. Not to mention higher DPS weapons in UT, it makes sense that they absorb more.

"And if it is about number, we had an example of what can happen if there are too many items on rather large maps in UT2003, where there was too much spread to control everything."

It was not really the quantity, more the duration of spawns, more specifically the respawn time of the belt vs the jacket and the slower game pace it promoted.

You would have been spread too far? That's ok because with maps actually designed for duel you could overcome this and have an awesome game.

Instead you end up with something that basically works on every map ever created and is luke warm at best. This is not a problem really because I am sure it helped the popularity of original UT.

UTs blessing and curse all in one.

I always enjoyed tempest in duel, but I understand it is not really suited for it. Still, it is interesing that the map was dropped only after lan cups stopped appearing and stars moved to UT2003. I will also agree that almost anything work with UT. The point with ztn and aero was that they were needed, and probably even if that wouldnt be the case, they would be in anyway due to their legacy.

"In addition to this no tweaks or community accepted additions were made to UT whereas they were made for q3."

Actualy no. Aside temporary used TTM (I have no idea why it was dropped), the major change came in 2003 with TIW by arqo... I mean TNSe. Voted by div3 players after big part of old top left, that thing lowered both damage and hitting rate of pulse and mini - literally broke the game. The whole balance of UT is now just wrong, cause you not only cant shaft snipers, but also when attacking respawning player with pulse, there is an equal chance he will get you with enforcer. The only scene that play on old settings is polish one, and suprisingly Poland won Nations Cups three times.

"And playing tempest is somehow better than playing t4? T4 is "better" for dueling than tempest ever was."

To be honest I would pick Tempest over T4, even if my opponent would be playing like jibo.

"However the weapon does not have to have the ammo next to it. Also the doubled up aspect of the weapons gives you twice as many pick ups that do similar things (rockets + falk alt, pulse + mini, shock + sniper, etcetc)."

Modern custom maps usualy are made without ammo near the gun itself, and in practice it doesnt always work as it should. It is playable in duel ok, but in TDM it is a disaster. You may not care for TDM, but the problem is that maps suitable for both duel and TDM, unlike Q3 use exactly same item placing for both modes.

"That is also fine, since the damage absorption is not the problem. Not to mention higher DPS weapons in UT, it makes sense that they absorb more."

Thats right, but additionaly there is more time between respawns, then on another hand there is a map size, then that and so on.

"It was not really the quantity, more the duration of spawns, more specifically the respawn time of the belt vs the jacket and the slower game pace it promoted.
You would have been spread too far? That's ok because with maps actually designed for duel you could overcome this and have an awesome game."

But there was Antalus, on which even if you somehow managed to run everything (100, 50, amp) left you no space to chase the opponent. Antalus was ridiculous, but the only map that worked in that game was Ironic which didnt feature amp.

The thing is that to add items or lower respawn times you need to rework map scale. If you do that you may as well need to rework weapons and maybe even movement. Would that all really produce a better game? Would that game be able to compete with Q3? The whole point of UT is that it is a completly different aproach to the same topic, and since 1999 we havent got better ones than this duo.

So it might make the game play better in duel but not tdm so you dont want to make a change because..? What.

Arguing that three items would not work because it does not work in another game that is not very similar is a terrible way to argue. Can't I just reply with something along the lines of "It works in all iterations of quake so it will work in UT"? I wont say this because I am not a total retard.

Having two jackets and a keg would not require massive adjustments. Pls get real.

The belt right now works in rather similiar way to mega, so I think that including keg would be an overkill. Especialy that on maps like Agony and Turbine, you can easly stack up to 199 on vials. And additional armour in many cases would render a maplock impossible, not to mention lowered possibilities of controling weapons. All in all I think such changes could make the game only more chaotic, because I dont see any need to make it faster than it already is, and I used to play Warsow.

lmao @ the article wtf are those games anyway? and cod4 maps suck dick.

id say

q2dm1 in q2
t4, ztn, hubaero in q3
dm_curse & facing worlds ctf in ut1
mp_carentan in cod
cs_italy in cs

t4 xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

why is this majored?

comments show some kind of interest in it :)

I wouldn't have majored it, but like you said people are commenting and that's good for the site. Personally I've no idea why it's just some journalists opinion of his favourite maps, really don't understand the reaction here.

The actual post itself is totally inappropriate for news, let alone major news but whatever :D

all you said is right :)

btw i didnt majored it.

I'd hate to think what it looked like prior to your edit :o

Retarded idea to begin with.

fail

Most of UTs maps suck. If it was up to the community it would probably pick something retarded like deck which is worse than a lot of the other maps but still popular.

Makes sense

I would put Deck on same level as Q3DM6, and Q2DM1 would follow somewhere behind them.

qwdm3!

TO-Scope obviously!

Jeez, I'd forgotten about TO. The few maps I remember playing were oilrig, the dam and that one with the subway... :) Fun times around version 1.6 with crazy model animation bugs.

good times :)

not to forget rapid waters :)

YES! When I said "the dam map" (which now I also remember), that's rapid waters I was thinking of!

ah k, because there's also Veyron (?) - the really big map with the dam (and the bombspots)

pt4 :P

No dm17 = fail.

Ah, standing on the top of q2dm2 spamming rockets down the elevator/rl in a 20 people FFA... good fucking times

This.

One of the biggest fails of q3 compared to its predecessors is that q3 ffa is horrible. Fucking MG ruined the game :)

That list isn't even worth getting angry over. It's actually pathetic.

How about Raindance from Tribes 1?

rollercoaster!

tokays tower for quakelive f1

nerdrage

major post, really?

2fort games, when tf2 first came out, were just endurance games seeing who could last the longest before punching themselves in the face till their eyes swelled shut. So boring..

2fort5r/forts in previous fortress games has been awesome though

gaming "journalists" are either ignorant like most gamers today.. or just catering to the ignorant majority of gamers

i always cringe when they discuss multiplayer FPS and fighting games..

dust2 > dust1
badlands/well/justabouteveryothertfcmap > 2fort
A card game of snap > Halo
Temple > Facility
Broadcast >< Crash
ZTN/DM6/whatever > Tokay's Tower
2 battlefield maps and a rainbow six map < Getting drunk and headbutting a wall for 10 minutes


edit: oh wow, I only just noticed there were 3 battlefield maps ._0
Guess we know what games the guy that wrote it plays. Though I can somewhat agree on Wake, and can see his thinking on Strike at Karkand... JUST...
Wouldn't be surprised if the editor had to persuade him not to put Battlefield Heroes maps in. "BUT THEY'RE LIKE... CARTOONY AND SHIT BRAH"

Im in for Broadcast :P

callvote best ctf map warsong!

BS article Quake-wise.

Didn't play much of the other games though, so I couldn't tell.

Gold-
enEye

lacks mp_beach.

Hey guys, I have an idea.

If you're so upset why don't you try writing to Game Informer magazine and telling them why their list is wrong?

Maybe, just maybe, this could actually result in Game Informer acknowledging the presence of a hardcore PC gamer market. They do publish letters and e-mails from readers in their magazine as magazines typically do.

Maybe this could achieve something like Game Informer giving a satisfactory explanation as to why they picked those maps. Or possibly even a revised top 10 or altogether new top 10 for PC gamers only.

Although most likely none of that would happen, it's still a hell of a lot more productive than whining on a message board like a bunch of fucking children.

Worst comes to worst you could just spam the shit out of their e-mail address or send death threats through regular mail.

That's the problem with you Internet geeks. You're all talk and no action. Your problems aren't going to solve themselves. And that is why this niche hardcore PC gaming crowd will never be taken seriously.

Later faggots.

Hahahah, he called us faggots.
As if we actually had a sexlife, lol \:D/

I don't think sex life is a prerequisite to being a faggot m8.

you would know.


:P

Doesn't work there I'm afraid.

That's what she said.

Okay Michael.

that's what you said.

.

be glad your pathetic list got so many clicks from here mr incognito

Huh?
I'm not defending the Game Informer list. I think it sucks personally.
The difference is I would do something about it instead of crying on a forum.

be glad your pathetic reply that doesn't make sense is being responded to mr ____HaurELL____

I kinda doubt that, seeing how you don't even manage to make an account.

i have no need to make an account. i always post anonymously on this site.

and zer1ton and __haurell__ nice try. you two might not care that much about the published article but judging from other comments there is a lot of nerdrage here.

ah, so you would definately write them and be all action.
Except that you would sign you letter with "anonymous".

Who is the nerd here?

i would do something about it if this article bothered me. if you look at my first post at comment #9 i said:

<< Comment #9 @ 01:22 CST, 15 February 2010 >>
(Link, Reply)
By United States of America Anonymous (c-24-10-14-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
my little brother subscribes to this magazine. i saw the article and laughed and told him it was bullshit.
obviously though game informer is a magazine intended mainly for console n00bs so it's not a big deal.

NO BIG DEAL. i'm not the one getting my panties in a bunch over a console gaming magazine article. if i cared, yes i would do something about the article instead of nerd raging and whining. and no i wouldn't do it anonymously. i have no reason to register on this site. it's not to talk shit anonymously. i will talk shit to your face in real life if so inclined.
i actually did have an account here, probably still do, but i don't care enough to use it. the features for registered users are useless to me.

keep it coming kids. you can't beat me.

I don't look at ip addresses of anons, so I won't be connecting your posts anytime soon.
But good of you to assume people here are actually raged.


As for features that are useful to you: You might find out about that, if the admins decide to have a lazy day ;)

why would i do something about it, it is a stupid list

i read it, i see it is stupid, i say it is stupid, thats it

im not gonna write anyone, i really don't care about clueless 'journalists' all that much

What's worst :

All talk and no action,
or,
All action and no knowledge + profit ?

Also, cuz they're journalist, they're supposed to know what they're talking about. They are paid for that. It's not our work to teach them what to write.

Don't want to rain on your parade brah, but nobody is upset about this list, they're just mocking it for being so shite

its cool brah

Where the fuck is Fragtown 2????????

wake island is fun. playin it right now :P