B is definetely group of death.
D has 3 players that can really go through but considering that fox didnt praccy a lot could be easier than we would think .

I wouldnt be surprised if fox took that group tbh, thought he was one of the better players at DH along with cooller and avek. It was just unlucky for him that losing to one of them in the group stage meant he was forced to play the other in first round playoffs. Since they really were in a class of their own at the tourney. Fox really didnt look out of place playing them like most did.

lmao. fox was roadkill at dh

lol, yeah losing to the two guys that deserved to be in the finals, real pathetic.

compared to what fox has shown he is capable of in past tournaments dh was a poor performance. classing his form alongside that of cooller's (who absolutely stomped him) and avek's is ludicrous.

whether it was due to not practicing or not giving a fuck... it really is as simple as that

Maybe result wise it was a shit tourney for him, only reaching top16 may be considered bad for any sponsored tourney player. But going out of a tourney at the hands of av3k and cooller is hardly something that can classify ones performance level as "roadkill".

Cooller did not stomp him by any means either, 11-6 on t9 and 11-0 on ztn. He lost to av3k I think 11-0 on ztn to and 16-4 on t7, which may seem like a big score but fox didnt seem to care if he lost by 10 or 2. If fox had been in the other side of the playoff bracket his biggest competitor for a spot in the finals would have been either stermy or z4muz. Both of which he should have been capable of knocking out. Considering that cooller actually did beat stermy quite comfortably in the third place match up it wouldnt be that far out of line to assume that fox could have made the finals if he had gotten a better place in the bracket.

meh.. i wasnt impressed by fox at all at dh. i dont think it would have mattered what group he was in. just calling it as i see it

So you basically saw him lose to the two best players at the tourney ( Also quite possible in the game overall as it is today ) and thought he was pants? lol

hahaha. you really need to wipe his sperm sample out of your eyes

i seem to remember fox even saying that he didnt really give a shit as he had been playing heroes of newerth immediately prior, yet you think he had a great tournament. you think top 16 is good for fox? lmfao

fox got stomped at dh. for his usual high standard of play, his match versus cooller wasnt even close, let alone his 'top' performance versus avek where he got fisted. if you think they werent stompings you are a fucking idiot.

Well if I did have his spooge in my eyes it would at least be an excuse for not being able to read properly. What is yours ? I never said top16 was a good result for him, nor did I say that he had a great tourney.

I said I thought he was one of the better players at the tourney. If he had played cypher/stermy/z4muz or any class player in the other side of the bracket he probably would have come out on top. But anyway, Ill leave you to your insightful knowledge of what constitutes a successful tourney and how it relates to stomping and fisting.

'thought he was one of the better players at DH along with cooller and avek.'

'Fox really didnt look out of place playing them like most did.'

in light of the facts, you know, his performance in the tournament, these are what we call retarded statements.

i mean.. i dont even know how you can be arguing he was one of the better players at dh, or that he would have 'made the finals' (the fuck??) if not for the draw. fox looked out of shape and terrible

anyway... cbfed

b is cooller and strenx, ez?

you mean cooller and z4muz?

strenx raped cooller 30-0 on dm6 online - be interesting to see how it goes on LAN :]

like cooller's ever done well online... and well the opposite for strenx :P

you're talking past tense, back in osp cooller was rather weak online but he has been so strong despite his ping in the latest online tourneys.

strong... yeh strong, but not as strong as on LAN.

wait until he hooks himself up ON THE LAN :D

even today, his LAN game is light years ahead of what he does online.

let's just hope for nice flames :>

easy group for demon

shoulda put strenx cypher in same group

C O O L E R
O....etc

not easy to fuck up within a single line

;(

no guard makes me sad :(

Guard 2nd noshow on international lan , first gamegune now IEM, he already said that he doesnt like to travel alone, is this the reason to not attend?

no, he is cheater.

you better have 100% proof for that, mate.


aghaghgaghghagh

yeah im cheater, so what? prove it :))

First you need to hand out that "100% proof" of walters cheats, then i will prove to you, that you cheat.

how wll you ever pass liefje at the AGP rankings if you never attend any lans?!

by getting 2nd in zotac and gdata, duuh

thats true, only 9 2nd places to go for Guard and then he will have matched the skill level of liefje.

Cool.

Hopefully we can get Streetrunner to confirm this ;)

are you the diablo i think you are?

mom, let me see in your mind...

ah.. no you're thinking of some other person!

hell <3's diablo

the probably cut that into a tree together at dawn.

On a tree of doom.
At the dawn of the apocalypse!

Sombra didnt participate on GameGune too

sombra = guard? = yuka = satan??

???

?

They should put them in there own group to see who cheats the most!

So many questions... Oleg! :)

and DreamHack!

The groups look great ... can't wait :D

i'm spraying cum in advance into a spray flacon, so i can spray even more during the tournament

A: Av3k, spartie
B: Coller, strenx
C: Cypher, k1llsen
D: noctis, stermy

in that order, izy.

lol, very nice for demon.

big [-], Guard

I'm gonna plus you for that.

I'm a bit fed up with people that participate in qualifiers but pretty much beforehand know they won't go to the LAN if they reach it. Fuck off then. :)

i played for money, groups stage 75x3 $ :) and i wanted to go, but i wont whine , why im not going.

no, please, do tell.

this weekend he was offered the chance to fuck a fast car!

why didnt you go btw?

Ok. Next qualifiers without money. Add that money to the finals. People are abusing it. :(

Except they don't pay you unless you attend the LAN finals

there is a guy in my country like that, always play amazingly on the internet and when some lan events appears.. hum... :)

A ist weak

A: Av3k, spartie
B: Coller, z4muz
C: Cypher, l1nk
D: noctis, stermy

I would swap k1llsen for link1n, other than that I think you nailed it :P

I disagree - link will finish 4th in that group as zsx > link

disagree with k1llsen 2, cypher 1 in that group, because link with place 4th??

I don't get you. But you obviously didn't get me... so :S

rofl, yeh I can see how that could confuse :) - My message was supposed to be a reply to Dird's comment, my bad.

no worries, my english grammar sux so I usually end up confusing everybody including myself :/

A: spartie, avek
B: cooller, zamuz
C: cypher, killsen
D: fox, stermy

yep in that order

I think(hope) noctis will finish 1st or 2nd of his group, winning stermy at least. I like his play style.
And i hope z4muz and cooller will win strenx, which i am not sure.
Anyway we will see some really nice action, can't wait !
[edit] looking foreward to zsx too, he played well vs cooller last time and got a pretty impressive aim.

I hope noctis will make it too but I dont think he will. Fox will win all his matches and stermy is slighty better than noctis.

stermy is not better.

he beat him last time

stermy is a bum, noctis is a magician.

-magician +princess

Spartie should be happy :>

My dark horse: k1ller, he likes pressure and his pressure (in private terms) is truly high since QL became so big.

I'm cheering for him ... he always wanted to became a big player, now he is. The time has come to become Europe's best player.

like the rest didn't want to become a big player, duh

cute story but unfortunately i'm forced to inform you that cypher will tear him a new one (asshole that is)

and it won't be pretty :D

and it'll be huge

the asshole that is

no.

he's right!

k1llsen did beat him before, i think. or at least it was a real close three-mapper with k1llsen winning ztn iirc.

heres to hoping for great games.

he did in cpma, a couple of times. ( i remember 16:0 dm6, or something like that, and some online hub overtime crazy match)

still i predict cypher winning 2:0, like 10 frag difference each map.

you're an idiot.

are you sure?

yes.

now i made you think i actually give a fuck, didn't i?

no. either way, you only verified once again that you're an idiot. the "care"-remark doesn't surprise me at all.

awww raged little german cunt.

isn't that cute!

ahah, so predictable. go and jerk off to some z4-demos.

dunno is that even possible, i deleted q3 ages ago.

but to be predicted by a cunt, that surprises me! how the fuck...

You're being a twat and letting our country down.

aren't you like, the smartest guy on this site or something like that?

dunno really

no, that time most certainly has not come

We will dream together.

Oh yes... we will.

putting all my E$ on draven..

zing

gogo Z4muZ

tough group draven:(

gl all players!

looking good!

B looks toughest

I feel bad for draven. He's ambitious but unlucky when it comes to the groups :(. GL though.

his last name is awesome tho

curry?

no thank you

think twice, alu gobi

Aye, it's too bad for him and for me as I will always cheer for him.
Nice guy and also dutch.

Anyways I hope he can keep up activity and get some good practise so he can reach the top.

does mean he can be home by saturday and be in time for his job :))

C'mon... upload your cfg!

http://www.myeg.net/my_profile/profile.php?user_id=41

it's first on the list under gaming info.

ty

1. avek/spartie
2. cooler/strenx
3. killsen/cypher
4. stermy/fox/noctis

really cant decide group 4.. I think notcis will beat fox, fox beat stermy and stermy beat noctis

good luck demon you got your work cut out for ya ;)

Eazy for Dem0n

swap strenx for k1llsen ;D

Group A
Poland Maciej "srs/rzr/av3k" Krzykowski
Sweden Sebastian "fnatic/spart1e" Siira

Group B
Russia Anton "mouz.Cooller" Singov
France Kévin "fnatic/strenx" Baeza

Group C
Belarus Alexey "srs/rzr/cypher" Yanushevsky
Germany Marcel "k1llsen" Paul

Group D
Italy Alessandro "stermy" Avallone
Austria Richard "noctis" Gansterer

idd

Sweeeeet.

ez.

Goodluck dude! Last minute trip for you. Make sure you will enjoy it:)

All bets for group stage made!

why? i have no money, bet on NC

same :(

Will you be able to cash the bets "live " ?
Or after each group finishes ?
Either of those would be much appreciated !

:D

That's something I can try to do if ESR isn't hammered too much

someone must remove the F5 key from rep's and cymozz' keyboards and it should be fine :]

draven got fucked

yeah shit he's gonna lose in group B instead of group A, C or D. what a shame?

A
1. av3k
2. spart1e

B
1. cooller
2. z4muz

C
1. cypher
2. k1llsen

D
1. stermy
2. noctis

wtf group A is so ez and group D is like fkin group of death even the weakest of the 4, dem0n can take a map from the other 3.

Let's see if strenx' LG is nothink on lan!

Cooller vs strenx is definitely my most anticipated group match ... it just HAS TO deliver.

are there config restrictions in IEM euro championships ?

except that cg_drawItempickups = "0", none

interesting. why?

players asked for it on the IEM US finals, then we put up a vote between all players on the us event and they decided to use "0". After that we also put up a vote for it between all EU Finals players and they also mainly voted for "0".

Why do people misquote that all the time? It's "nothink on THE lan".

If you uneducated philistines had any feeling for poetic metrum, or for rhythm at all, you'd realize that it's the trochee/anapest combination which makes this line what it is, a one line haiku worthy of a master poet.

The creator of which has recently shown off his master philosopher and master pietist qualities just the same, by the way.

wow....this has to be the nerdiest post so far

There's reasons why some quotes enjoy the status they have dude.

Please analyse "you are lol"

There is nothing to analyze.

That said, it's out of courtesy that I didn't even mention the - fairly abhorrent - alteration in meaning. Because we are obviously supposed to ask ourselves what attributes exactly would distinguish "the lan" from "lan", i.e. just any lan.

That's a whole dimension of depth some people are missing.

I beg to differ .

The "you are lol" Cypher quote presents a rare case of cubic pattern (3x3) , that as far as poetic metrum is concerned is a modern masterpiece, on par with the likes Apollinaire .

















I'm on White Rhino too .

I beg to differ

You may. I've got to point out though that a mere word and character count doesn't relate to metrum in any way. Which defines itself rather through the alteration of accented/unaccented syllables.

Furthermore, it's utterly easy to create similar patterns with a similar level of meaningfulness resp. meaninglessness, e.g. "you are gay". There's not only nothing special to that, it also lacks a crucial quality which distinguishes the master poet from the average smack talker: inspiration.

I won't argue over Cooller being the master poet :)

Context is indeed lacking in the Cypher quote, whereas in Cooller's you instantly understand he was getting owned by lg .

he was getting owned by lg

Or rather not owned.

But let's dwell a little more on the inspiration part. Obviously, "nothink" is an entirely genuine creation, combining "nothing" with "no thinking", which almost incidentally picks up on the "all rail no brain" complaint he used to make occasionally, being the strong advocate of intelligent gameplay he is.

Then, as already mentioned, "the lan" instead of an expected mere "lan", which makes us reflect endlessly what it exactly is that distinguishes a seemingly arbitrary lan from "the lan". Also, if you had asked him at that point what "the lan" would really be I'm fairly sure he would have had no answer to that question. Still, for some reason he felt it was right, and that's exactly what inspiration is about.

Because, as we've already seen, it's right not only in terms of meaning but also in terms of poetry. One could even go so far and wonder how this little sentence in fact reflects his entire style of gameplay, but that's a whole discussion of it's own of course.

<3

Keep posting, i'm a fan.

Hahaha. For now I guess I've said all there is to say.

To be clear though, while I'm maybe partly joking I'm also not. There in fact is reasons why some quotes stick. And I'm just wondering why exactly, even if our master poet himself might consider a mere accident what I'm now depicting as kind of purposeful.

But then, master poets often do. Creating something unique or special is not necessarily a conscious effort. Some would even say it never is ;)

For now I guess I've said all there is to say.

now we need the master himself to post here and tell us about what he was actually thinking
cooller you said you often read esr, no pleasse respond one time and solve these myths

A poet is never supposed to explain his poetry. All he could do is take away from it, and we wouldn't want that to happen, would we.

damn,you are so anal
no wonder you guys almost took over the world:)))

took over the world

Which wasn't even the plan back then.

And as proof of how I'm totally not anal just note that I consciously spared you any discussion of the "lan" versus "the lan" topic. An exhaustive look into that could go on for hours.

So what I was doing is just highlighting and not yet elaborating a point, specifically to not get on anybody's nerves. That's the kind of nice guy I effectively am ;)

yes,thank you for your consideration,that would infact be very exhausting.

but lets talk about the"plan"

1.forcing legislation that would never have passed if not for a major war
2.making of a jewish nation (if it was up to me id put israel somewhere in germany,bavaria would be nice :)) ,avoding all the shit storms in palestine)
3.corporate profiteering

i can't remember anything else at the moment,but i am sure there was more to it :P

lets get something clear,i don't blame germans for anything,"allies" had far worse concentration camps and any number of nations could have been brainwashed with propaganda as germans where back in the day ..this is obviously stll present today all over the world (subliminal and conscious brainwashing)

Lots of things are odd about the ww2,one thing is for sure that germans could have won it easily if not for some odd decisions(they could have walked into london and moscow with ease but decided to fuck about)

dunno,just so many questions unanswered,you just seem like someone whos opinion would be interesting to hear,no offence :P

Right, this likely isn't the board for this kind of discussion but as you seem to be interested in this topic let me briefly answer.

What I meant when saying that wasn't "the plan" I literally meant the plan Hitler and his regime had, and as he had it already laid out in "Mein Kampf". And that plan was not to "conquer the world". It rather was to occupy Austria and Czechoslovakia, as it in fact happened, and then go for more land to occupy in east Europe (!), specifically to go after Poland and the Soviet Union. As Hitler understood the "Bolsheviks", besides the Jewish of course, to be the main "evil" in the world.

Meaning that, after the invasion of Poland, it were Great Britain, France and later the USA and others who declared war on Germany and not vice versa, and thus triggered the expansion of the war into western Europe. The Nazi regime would have surely preferred that not happening, because Germany had already seen how devastating a two front war can be in WW1.

Incidentally, it's interesting to note that Great Britain and France did not declare war on the Soviet Union, which invaded Poland just the same as Germany did according to the Molotov Ribbentrop pact.

Either way, the reason that war was lost to Germany is two fold. First off, with the western front already open, it of course was a major mistake to attack the Soviet Union regardless. Because, additionally to what was going on already, Germany had major trouble securing it's supply lines especially regarding oil. Which is the reason behind Germany's involvement in the Mediterranean and in Africa, because it ultimately was the shortage of fuel which not only prevented German interceptor planes from protecting German cities against British and American air raids but ultimately left many tanks dysfunctional later in the war which could have been put to proper use.

And the second reason is the cowardice of German generals in confronting Hitler. Because Hitler himself was a lousy strategist but nevertheless insisted on making major decisions himself especially regarding the eastern front. Decisions the generals knew were wrong but didn't oppose, which ultimately led to those very devastating losses, Stalingrad would be the household name here, which constitute the turning point of the war. Which was ultimately won, and this can't be emphasized enough, by the Soviet Union and not by the western allies, no matter how much they tend to attribute that victory to themselves.

Either way, so much to to "the plan" and why the war was lost by Germany. You've touched a lot of other interesting points there, e.g. "propaganda", which deserve an entire discussion on their own. But with all that's been said I guess I better not elaborate on those right now.

hehe,your correct ,not the right topic for discussion:)

I also know all you said by heart,because i majored in history and since history in general has always been interesting to me.Even by just watching discovery channel people can get to the same conclusions ( more or less :P ) .
I was hoping for a non traditionally accepted explenation of the plan :)
That being said all you wrote is correct ( if you agree with the history books )
what after some out-off-the-box thinking would you say to what i wrote the plan could also have been?

-:)

Sorry, if have no clue what you're aiming at. Especially because there has been no "hidden" plan or agenda, it's all out in the open. So if I had to respond to your original points directly it would be the following way.

Regarding (1), that's almost been the first thing done in 1933, as Hitler was granted the right to change the constitution by the parliament. Which effectively made him a dictator who could do what he wanted. From that point on "the law" posed no real problem to him anymore and didn't need to be taken account of in any plan. You would know that if you knew your history books.

Regarding (2), you know that extinction has been the plan. It was the allies who didn't want to give home to all the Jewish refugees after the war and subsequently gave in to zionism. I have no idea how you could assume that the making of a Jewish state would have been part of any Nazi plan.

Regarding (3), obviously not. The "S" in NSDAP means "socialist", and Hitler was no friend at all especially of the bourgoisie. He needed them to ultimately provide the industry backing his war plans, but that's about it.

Finally, I in fact need to strongly oppose your statement that "allies had far worse concentration camps" than the Nazis. Or put differently, that statement might apply if and only if you explicitly excluded extermination camps from concentration camps. Where they usually aren't, hence my objection.

Your statement about the effects of propaganda is right of course.

Next time, please don't make me guess what you want. Because if you do I'm bound to assume that you might be be trolling.

its just a conversation,no trolling intended..

i apologize if it seemed like you had to guess which direction this conversation was supposed to be heading.It was an attempt to view a germans side of the story of the whole situation as i thought would differ from the "history books" in one way or the other

1.I was talking here about the world-wide legislation push,not german at all,which devastation/desperation resulting the mass war helped pass

2.From what i know,all nations in europe prevented the migration of the jewish people which then in turn made the deportation easier.Here i was pointing out that how there seemed to be an idea of a jewish nation in palestine before the war.(like a secret agenda)
nazi-nationalism,which is present in every country in the world under different names is just another tool for controling the public
What i was wondering also,who hitler really was and is the story about him correct (lots of things about this man are odd to me)

3.huh-i beg to differ,as you may or may not know,hitler had strong connections with the vatican,that is also the reason why in my country the church was on the german/italian side and fought against "slovenian nationalists" ,its the main reason why we fought each other(civil war) and the germans at the same time.
Also remember the many companies/bankers profetering from the war ,one of the most knowen is IBM identification systems/machines in german concentration camps

well as you see if smoked alot of pot in my life time and my third eye is blinking so to speak :P
what i said may be false,but the history books sure are not all correct

So whats the other side of the coin

I was talking here about the world-wide legislation push

Well, I couldn't see you meaning that because we were talking in the context of "the plan". Which I understood, and meant, to be the plan of the German Nazi regime.

Either way, I can't possibly comment on world wide legislation during that time. All I can say is that, in Germany, Hitler grabbed total control over the legislation pretty much as soon as he came into power, with the help of the parliament through the "Ermächtigungsgesetz".

there seemed to be an idea of a jewish nation in palestine before the war

Of course there was. It's called Zionism, as formulated by Theodor Herzl.

Palestine on the other hand was a British protectorate at the time, and the Jewish would not have been allowed to found an own state if it hadn't been for WW2. Because the conflict which we now have, between Palestinians and Israelis, was foreseeable at that time already.

The single reason why the allies allowed the Jewish to have their own state regardless was nobody wanting to admit all those Jewish refugees into their countries. And since they had to go somewhere Britain allowed them to enter Palestine.

So no, I can not see any secret agenda. The founding of Israel was rather a direct consequence of what happened to the Jewish people in Europe during WW2.

remember the many companies/bankers profetering from the war

Sure. As companies of all kinds generally profit from war. But again, that's not been part of any plan on behalf of the Nazi regime. The big companies generally supported Hitler, that's right. But Hitler did neither like them nor give them any special privileges, as his party was generally adverse to liberal capitalism. As said, the "S" in NSDAP meant "socialist". Also, Hitler was not all a friend of banks, as he considered them "jewish". He was just enough realist to realize that he would need and could use them to some extent.

Regarding the catholic church, it's opportunistic stance towards the Nazis is well known and has been criticized often enough. But that's again a point the Nazis themselves weren't that concerned about.

a germans side of the story of the whole situation as i thought would differ from the "history books"

Well, I personally believe the historic facts as we now generally know them to be largely correct. A totally different question of course is how one would judge and interpret all those events. As for example in the never ending discussion of collective guilt etc etc.

Naturally, Germans would have a slightly different perspective on the events than others might have, if only from their family backgrounds. But, as said, that would not so much concern the facts as we know them but rather how they are looked upon.

Ah heh,sorry again for making you guess :P

Yes,its fascinating how fast and easily he got almost full power.Its simillar ,but still far from it,whats slowly happening in the US.(but lets not start talking about reaganomics :) )

- ah yes zionism ,forgot you mentioned it in the previous post,i only wonder why no-one wanted to "deal" with the jewish immigarants,when imigaration was so wide-spread and focusing only on the jewish seemed odd (then again just a part of the zionist plan)

"Palestine on the other hand was a British protectorate at the time, and the Jewish would not have been allowed to found an own state if it hadn't been for WW2. Because the conflict which we now have, between Palestinians and Israelis, was foreseeable at that time already."

i agree with you completely ,only your next paragraph doesnt completely fit my thinking :)

---
what you said to my reply about corporate profetering is interesting.Also you are correct in saying that its nothing new and maybe even the drive for the many wars today and after ww2.

It seemes like even tho he was passionate and true to his belifs it was more like a PR(public relations) front to win germans over.This is also why i am skeptlical of what hitler really believed in,he knew exactly what was needed to say for the people to respond and act in his favour .(like an everyday politician lying through his teeth) -this is also in line with what you said about the church,normaly socialism doesnt favour religion in any way
Seems to me like a very intellegent person with even better connections :)
---
I always wondered how history would be read,if germans won the war,but probably the facts as you say would not differ much,only how we look at them.
You said it well!

I respect your views and until something is made public a conspiracy theory is just that,a theory :P

lmao

[+] :D

you're agardenchair's long lost twin brother, aren't you?

Not sure what characteristic of agardenchair's would suggest that to you, but if it's his trying to grok why he likes what he likes I'd understand why you're saying that.

Still, regarding the literal sense of the question you seem to be asking I'm fairly confident the answer is no.

lol that's so better than saying fu. You made me smile

thats the whole quote? no "your lg" before?
what match was it btw? missed it :(

"Your lg is nothink on the lan" is the full quote, that's correct.

For the sake of completeness, the dialog was
cooller: only rail
toxic: haha
cooller: your lg is nothink on the lan
toxic: hejheh
toxic: no not today

The game was qcon 2004, cooller vs. toxic on dm6.

I dont remember the only rail parts, only when he lost that one game vs toxic on dm6, but a few mins before "your lg is nothink on the lan" quote he had an even lg battle with toxic, who then ran away, followed by about 20 cooller smilies :D then he dropped the epic quote!

He didn't lose, he won 18:10. Reference: qcon 2004 results, for your viewing pleasure

The reason cooller still felt compelled to make that remark is this game being a culmination point in a string of mostly online matches where toxic managed to score primarily by rail.

I know he won that game, i was talking about another cooller vs tox dm6 where toxic basically railed the shit out of him and spammed his "COOL WEAPON" "BRAIN?" binds.

that was on eswc2005

Yeah group stage on dm6, as only cooller went on to single elim.

And toxic didn't so much rail but actually outsmart cooller, who obviously was in one of his rushing fits and gave away points in abundance during the first half of the game.

Toxic's taunt binds were (afair):
"no brain only rail (c) cooller"
"brain?"
and his game resumee
"know you know me at lan anyway".

give us ur drugs and everyone will be happy :D

A: 1-Spart1e, 2-Av3k
B: 1-cooller, 2-Z4muZ
C: 1-k1llsen, 2-cypher
D: 1-fox, 2-noctis

\o/ \o/ \o/

no

we'll see :)

I'm ok with that :)

you can't possibly expect z4muz to place before strenx.

strenx can't ALWAYS fuck up. it's time for a decent lan performance.

It's time you shut up but it doesn't mean your going to!

it's "you're", you gimp.

anyway, why don't you go fuck yourself with a baseball bat or smthn?

Actually it's "It's" and "something"

Picking a hole in someone's grammar rather than thinking of a halfway decent retort is a bit poor and boring. Also means you have got to have a bulletproof reply, otherwise it's meaningless. You didn't!

retort to what? your moment of creativity up there?


seriously, whenever a gimp like you tries to build-up his oh so important e-profile by insulting me, i find it really flattering.

I refer you back to my original reply (comment #167). You may now understand it's relevance. It was originally a joke, but now seems i stumbled upon a sad truth.


Go on, do it! I feel you can't help yourself?

it was a joke?

fucking hell...

You did it!

Well of coarse you're going to say that, it was on your account! Or maybe you just didn't get it, although i hope you did but just you take yourself far to seriously.

you're even more boring than tourist. and that's not easy.

Pot calling the kettle....

I guess I shouldn't be defending that lethe guy, but do you think

"It's time you shut up but it doesn't mean your going to! "

is a good retort?

Good enough.

you seem to have a very low standard of what is boring or not.
:(

Meaning?

Apparantly you think telling someone to shut up is not poor and boring.

So here: "Shut the fuck up."

Hope you enjoyed this conversation :[

Oh ok you both missed the point.

when facing an opponent with a better rail and shaft what is strenx going to do then? outbrain him ?

z4muz has better shaft than strenx?

Z4muZ definitely amazing shafter on lan!

not only on lan

i'm so rooting for z4muz

he won't pass group stage this time imho

well the main reason he got to dreamhack finals were the brackets + crazy dm6 ending vs stermy. in the lower part he would have no chance vs cooller/av3k/strenx

still, must root for oldschool.

1 : Av3k / Spart1e
2 : Cooller / strenx
3 : Cypher / L1nkje
4 : Stermy / Noctis

sigh, what's the story now guard?

basement, party, beer, women!





oh wait!
cheats innit :P

group D

oO

did Guard beat anyone really worth mentioning if some of you are calling him a cheater?

no, they like to talk bullshit :)

I guess its just the fact that he doesn't attend LAN events which some would consider dodgy.

LAN 4th - Skyle Quake 3 tourney, Lithuania 1x1
LAN Top4 - Piramide Quake 3 1x1 tourney, Lithuania
LAN 4th - Skyle Quake 3 1x1 tourney, Lithuania
LAN 2nd - Baltic Quake 3 1x1 tourney, Lithuania
LAN 1st - Panevezys mini cup 1x1 Lithuania
LAN 2nd - "Skyle" Baltic Lithuania 1x1
LAN 1st - Fear Factory Poland 1x1
LAN 1st - Baltic Q3 1x1 Lithuania
LAN 1st - Q3 Lanparty 1x1 Lithuana
LAN 1st - Baltic Q3 2 1x1 Lithuania
LAN 1st - X-Zona Q3 1x1 Lithuania
LAN 1st - Esports Online invite #1 1x1
LAN 1st - X-Zona Q3 2 Lithuania 1x1
LAN 1st - XLH clan tourney @ OLA (Kaunas) 1x1
LAN 1st - Q3 1x1 xLh CPMA Vq3 Tournament 2006
LAN 1st - Q3 LESL #2 1x1 tourney online
LAN 1st - Q3 1x1 Winter tournament 2006 12 22-23
LAN 1st - Q3 Tourney Lanparty Quake Evoliution 1x1
LAN 1st - Q4 Tourney Lanparty Quake Evoliution 1x1
LAN 1st - Q4 LESL 1x1 tourney
Lan 1st - Q3 XLH clan tourney

give me good sponsor I will go.
1.BVG gived me 100 euro for all trip.
2.I need atleast ~650 euros for all trip, (i have problems irl for 1000+euro, I can't spend right now such money, then IN LTU MONTH PAYMENT IN MY CITY IS 250euros per month!)
3. No direct fliets to Cologne from WARSAW , LATVIA , LITHUANIA!
biggest problems why Im not at event.
gl hf.

ps why you all care about online cheater? :D

be honest,which of them lan tournies would really require you to cheat
teasing..:=)

i understand your reasoning why you wouldnt go to cologne tho :)

some of these tourneys was realy skilled, but it was long time ago :) biggest win was in Poland , was ~120 players from ru,by,lv,lt pl. I won, was known names as i remeber in that tourney, matrox, sting, keeper ,imortal , cherya .. Im not saying im top caliber player, I never told that, ofcors I didnt win anything big online too, but im not total lamer :)
if i would win most online tourneys, etc 5 zotac and 5 gdata, and then i would dodge everylan, it would look strange, but now i didnt win anything. i dont care, then i started q3 i was going to lans, becoz i liked it, not for winning , i sucked for 1-2 years. so if i go for some lan , its not for winning top place, but for travel , to see big event and meet some ppl.

okey,i believe ya :)

Ok.. That sucks.

I guess you need a better sponsor indeed :)

nomacunt says u r a cheat, end of story

i told im cheater, but prove it :D

You can fly from Warsaw to Cologne every day even for 20 euro if you book early enough.

I think it's not only the flight issue but staying there for a couple of days.

Flights ~100 euro one way from Warsaw if you book a few days earlier. Hotel, if you share with another player, is ~40 euro per day.

You cannot tell me it's not affordable considering match win bonuses online and the fact that you get $150 just for showing up.

well he did say this

(i have problems irl for 1000+euro, I can't spend right now such money, then IN LTU MONTH PAYMENT IN MY CITY IS 250euros per month!)

what would you know about his situation?

I would know how much it costs to get there. No more, no less. When he signed up, he should have calculated that and considered his financial situation.

actually he could have tried stuff like hospitality club or something..

there are enough friendly people around that would gladly take someone who is traveling around in for a few days.

Lithuania Poland Lithuania Lithuania...yup a cheat0r

im not telling im not cheater , just prove it!

OMG!!!

this event will be huge. so many players are in good shape

qlr qlr qlr qlr qlr qlr qlr qlr qlr qlr

clr clr clr clr clr clr clr clr clr clr

my prostate is going to have a hard time

the groups seem fair... considering.

the best group match is going to be Av3k vs Spart1e

yes.
but Spart1e does not rageq!

D group :TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

I think strenx and z4muz has the potential to be the underdogs, certainly makes for interesting games.

Too bad I'll miss group A and C matches, well most of them anyways.

Can't wait.

top 4 - cypher, cooller, spartie, av3k
last 2 spots - anyone from noctis/stermy/fox/k1llsen/z4muz

should be a good tourney

Group D looks tough.

poor noctis.

Group A
Maciej "srs/rzr/av3k" Krzykowski
Sebastian "fnatic/spart1e" Siira

Group B
Anton "mouz.Cooller" Singov
Kévin "fnatic/strenx" Baeza


Group C
Alexey "srs/rzr/cypher" Yanushevsky
Marcel "k1llsen" Paul

Group D
Magnus "mouz.fox" Olsson
Richard "noctis" Gansterer

poor noctis? =p

well yeah, his group is fucked up

he should be used to that by now.

Also, it was to be expected, with him in pool 3. Je could only hope to get killsen+ one top play in his group. And of pool 1 I'd say stermy is the weakest, so he actually was somewhat lucky.

Imagine av3k + spartie + noctis + a fourth.

imo stermy is the weakest of pool #1 and fox the weakest of pool #2.
What better chance could someone (mis)placed in pool #3 possibly have?

yup.

I would still rate fox over k1llsen, but with fox being out of practice, I'd agree that it is a matter of opinion more than anything.

Yeah, I'd usually say fox > k1llsen, too. But at the moment I'd expect it to be the other way around. We'll see tomorrow. :)

Group D
Magnus "mouz.fox" Olsson
Richard "noctis" Gansterer

i predict stermy out. still, his group is the toughest here. mainly because of him being the third pool player.

yap, that is pretty much what I was trying to say :)

on the above::
strenx or z4muz?
fox or stermy?

Fuck 'em up, Cypher!
So looking forward to this. Might have missed something obvious, but are 2gd and Joe casting?

yep, they are :D

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1819585

#6!

Ace!
Might have to buy premium by then, unless the hq-stream is free as it was during Dubai.

good groups imo

cypher, k1llsen and l1nkin... you can do it danny! gogogo :D

Group D was nice, cant really predict who will take that one..

Not looking forward to waking up at 7am for this, when I have to work anyway...BUT WHO FUCKING CARES! YAY QL MATCHES TO SPECTATE :)))))) GL ALL (only cooller really, ty yw \_ sit)

I have class at 8am so this works out well =)

want a cooller - av3k - z4muz top 3 pls :)

All things considered, the groups are actually okay. It could have been a lot worse, and not much better.

God, this is going to be an amazing tourney. Thank you ESL, from the bottom of my heart <3

A
1. Av3k
2. Spartie

B
1. Cooller
2. Z4muz

C
1. Cypher
2. Killsen

D (for death)
1. Fox
2. Noctis

agreed, stermy to choke! i found the esr guide to making esr$$. rule #1 = dont ever bet on stermy.

Why do you think he will choke? He seems in good form lately, and he's only been placing higher each tournament, that with the lg change puts him as the dark horse for this tourney imo :P

well he is stermy, not many people like him :p

I prefer the french over stermy any day!

prefering the french over the italians is so messed up. What are you thinking ?

not the italians, just stermy!

yeah, im actually awaiting the first time stermy uses some feign death move in a tournament game

Ok.. maybe you don't like stermys haircut, maybe you don't like stermy making money giving people QL lessons, maybe you don't like his 'defensive' playstyle, but the guy himself sure ain't an ass imo. He actually seems to be quite a nice guy.

Don't be such a hater :(

it was a joke.. ever seen italian play football?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB7Y33VteME&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwZImkVnJkg

Oh yeh ofcourse.

Then again your from Germany.. the place where the word 'schwalbe' comes from. :D

Anyways, nothing is as worse as the portugese. They are the biggest crybabies/fakers/schwalbekings/whiners/wankers ever.

people often make words and cursewords for stuff they hate.

You fuckassimbecilepenismoronass!

it's hard not being a hater when you've started hating :<

prefering the french over anything is so messed up!

french women dont have hairy backs like the italians.

well he is stermy, not many people like him :p

i dont think thats true. he always shows god manner and sportsmanship, loves the game and though he does take the whole e-sport thing more serious than most ppl around here, he does not claim bullshit like fatal1ty. i am not really a fan of his playsytle and i dont care too much about stermy at the end of the day but i really dont know why people would be hating on him

http://www.stermy.com/

look at his frontpic, either hate him or fall in love I guess :p
I picked the first.

Wait until you step out of the closet!

Ill wait as long as it takes

I guess there really are people who form opinions solely based on looks.

Rather say it adds to the fire, of his old fatality wannabe image :p

the difference is that stermy always looks somewhat like that, while fat changed for the pic.

any infos on how soon vods will be up? thank god i'll be home for group b matches ... missing group a matches :/

Judging by the past few ESL tournies, vods are usually up a day or so later than they are played, during tournies aswell.

:(

Need the nation cup matches to be over so I have betting money!

I've been saving up cum since dubai. I'm so ready to spray - it's practically leaking out.

Cooller better not choke in group stages.


I'm looking forward to:

av3k vs spartie is the only interesting match of A - unless calipt can do some upsets..spartie to me plays like jibo, with a swedish twist - meh..

cooller vs z4muz (hopefully z4muz is back in oldschool quake 3 shape, he had the best /smoothest movement in the game, next to lexer, and some very nice aim)

Cypher vs k1llsen (group C has a lot of aim whores) I think k1llsen should be able to upset cypher if his aim is on.

Fox vs noctis!!!!! This will be a gg.

I hate noctis because he doesn't deliver. Hes spotty, just like fox - fox should be czm quality - hes got great tactics,aim,timing but hes got HORRIBLE positioning.
He needs to watch rapha demos and learn positioning - depending on what your enemy is doing/wanting to do NOT what you are doing or wanting to do.

lol

anon delivers

Group A
Poland Maciej "srs/rzr/av3k" Krzykowski
Sweden Sebastian "fnatic/spart1e" Siira

Group B
Russia Anton "mouz.Cooller" Singov
Sweden Alexander "xlo-Z4muZ" Ihrfors

Group C
Belarus Alexey "srs/rzr/cypher" Yanushevsky
France Pierre-E "fnatic/l1nkje" Portier

Group D
Austria Richard "noctis" Gansterer
Sweden Magnus "mouz.fox" Olsson

i'm going to be rooting for cooller, spartie, k1llsen and noctis.. they should make up top4 if it were up to me

dunno what killsen is doing on that list of yours,but ok :P

i'm german

Aw, guess that this forces you to root for killsen... poor you :(

no it doesnt, but he seems well mannered and nice, and has a fun to watch playstyle.

awesome groups gl all

hey where is guard?

he earned 3x 75$ enough - enough money to attend the tournement right?

...

a: avek & spartie

b: cooller & zamuz

c: cypher & killer

d: stermy & noctis

all * TDM = spray

lets take the groups, rename them to teams and play TDM instead!

or do both ? I'd pay to see that :D

sadly we only have four pcs in the studio, but we maybe can do a US vs. EU TDM game on cebit, need to discuss that internally first though. :)

great idea (obviously, what could be bad about it?!)

(schedule?)

that could make it impossible, but never a bad idea

yeah we definitly have schedule problems with it and have to decide it spontaneously, if we find a timeslot for it.

lol, tdm and timeslots, if you can't find any you can still use fdm or cdma, god im a nerd

Only 3 US players there :P

you are AMERICAN! :P

No.

FUCK YEAH

tdm is the least spectator friendly thing ever

Thats where shoutcasters come in, but yeah TDM is more tactical than showy, ctf is alot more fun to watch ;>

haha! easy win for group D then!

S T R E N X
T..T....................
R......R...............
E............E..........
N................N.....
X......................X

proxy much strenx?

Man, it would be awesome if Fox went and won the whole thing, now that everyone thinks he's totally out of shape and not bother even considering him as one of the favourites. :D

Not as awesome as Cooller destroying Cypher in the final and Cypher crying sweet tears of rage, but still.

fox only needs to play a few games to get back on form i recon, wouldnt be suprised to see him reach the semi's.

What did Fox win in Quake duel?

Group A very easy for av3k

what's with the weirdness on the European Championship page?

:D

ROFL xD also stermy sprayed because he was going to be shopped into a picture with cooller without knowing it.

its a glimpse of the future.

cooller gets telefragged in the last minute. again.

A : Av3k--- Spartie
B: Cooller ---Z4muz
C: Cypher---K1llsen
D: Stermy---Noctis

Final Results:

1. Cypher
2. Cooller
3. Av3k
4.Noctis
5.Stermy

no way

I'm rooting for Stermy, he's got such awesome hair :)

so if madix won that last game he didn't care about, he'd be there :)

I even predicted that would happen, but no sir, madix had to go ahead and make me lose my ESR$ :[