will z4muz pull through with his washington sniper keyhole rails or will av3k put a polish hooligan stomping on him?

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ms 3.0 to eternity

ms 3.0 to eternity

And beyond....

I think awesome. Either way.

Ms.X?

I'm very certain it's not.

It kind of cud be if u squint ur eyes a little

excellent haircut is there

"slightly delayed"? OK!

how fucking long do we have to w8 for that final ? ; /

about three hours left

Is the fucking game starting soon? FUCK

wow av3k actually joined the server

well,while waiting for the final,i have to say,Joe isn't half bad :P

yeah, i'm sure aunt sally would be proud.

Yummy a cup of tea and a slice of cake aunt sally!

demos?

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DHW09: Cooller vs Av3k - Av3k

how dare you bet against cooller? i lost most of my money but at least i didnt sell my soul

xactly.

Me too, lost my last ESR bucks...

did they just say fatal1ty is shoutcasting? .....

epic dreamhack.

yes fatal1ty, tell us your entirely relevent and interesting opinion.

no, you tell us YOURS

is it me or stream is shit and lagged every 10 seconds ?

Av3k is just a kid, how is this possible :D

av3k won 3-0?

av3k by brutal polish hooligan stomp (3-0)

Yes, he did.

No, he won 2:1, since the real final was against Cooller.

















:/

Ive gotta watch this cooller person some time and see what all the fuss is about, seems to be 50% hype though, at least.

80, atleast.

Good thing I wont have time to watch him then, gotta admire his pinup pictures though.

youve seen his pinup pictures but youre still wondering what all the hype is about?????????

Touche.

0% hype

100% of eternal fame

Fail.

Gratz for av3k! He deserve it! dm13 master!

gzzzzz av3k

well done by Av3k. Lost one map the entire tournament.

one map where opponent catch him? =) joke

So, the guy who bashed someone for believing in av3k was somewhat wrong then.

Z4muZ , you owe me some internet $....

AV3K STYLE REALLY BEST FOR 10 MINUTES =(...

sif z4muz would have attacked even if the timelimit was 25.

how i remember av3k won 10 minutes periods vs rapha in semifinal of eswc atheens on both maps... after that rapha slowly took control and did make awesome comeback... dont wanna to say that 20 minutes give another chanse and 25 too may be yea but i meant 10 minutes absoultly not enough...

it was quake3 cpma and rewarded aim much more than quakelive.

da same as dm6 vs cyph in paris
he just showed some i-dont-wanna-play-this stuff

Why didn't he attack at the end of T9?

av3k ! :D

I wish Slasher had casted the final. :P

Casted. Casted. Casted.

TL 15 REALLY BETTER THEN TL 10
10 TIMELIMIT LIKE A GOLDEN GOAL FOOTBALL OVERTIME WITHOUT SILVER... NOT SERIOUS - very short time period for comeback if control was in opponents hands in beginnig... and few last minutes pressing you... 15 minutes give base for strtegic and tactic steps... not only rushing with rockets in your face

ummm, what?

he's always right.

I see, forgive me, I'm new here.

disagree?

How can anyone disagree with that grammar...err logic.

=)

=) but what you can to say about tl 10

i think the same way about tl 10 and 15

You'll get used to it. Actually glad to see him back, he's been away.

nice nice...

Welcome :)

why not endless time limit? Whoever dies first in real life loses.

Anyone know if demos will be available?

uber aggressive play used properly > *

can't help it but asus was more fun to watch. make it gtv and 15mins and QL might level up.

Have to agree, though the delays added up to it.

totally. dubai was much better.

still, the visuals suck, due appreciation for all efforts notwithstanding. and the 10 mins make wins increasingly look arbitrary to me.

i feel this time span doesn't support a risk taking gamestyle because there just isn't enough time to plan and build a comeback effort. don't know what the players themselves say but these games leave me kind of ... none the wiser.

10 minutes leaves a lot of unanswered questions in a 1 on 1. I agree completely that 10 minutes leaves the duels a little, "bleh."

I felt 15 minutes was too short when they cut it down from 20 minutes back in my day.

15 minutes is ok, but 20 minutes really tests your concentration and your consistency in my opinion. Can't just be hot for 5 minutes and defend a lead with the longer time limits. Especially in the case of maps where a beginning spawn is extremely important.

Longer time limits also allow for more in-game adjustments.

Of course, I started when all duels were 20 minutes long. 10 minutes just seems way too short to me.

So true. :/

I like the 10 min games from a spectator point of view...

And from a player point of view I'm pretty neurtral actually.... sure some games turn out to be a bit of random due to the worse player getting a really good start into the match... and then the better player would've won in 15 min... but could lose in 10. But still the better player did mess up somewhere to get behind so.......

But that's what I said. The risk taking player is bound to mess up occasionally. That's part of his gaming style. And those 10mins punish that kind of player severely. And favors a rather clockwork style gaming, including the occasional all deciding lucky shot.

I mean this is not QW where a direct rocket hit and some nice lg pinning can melt down all you might have stacked up like coke on your tongue. On the classic maps, once a player has control of two major items the opponent needs time to get back into the game. Of which he has little, starts to feel major pressure and begins taking risks he does *not* want.

I mean if nothing else, just listen to the shoutcasters. "Ye he has control of mega and ra now and will maintain that for minutes blah blah blah". Why, thanks, But then please give players the time to come back. Is what I'm thinking.

The risk taking player is bound to mess up occasionally. That's part of his gaming style. And those 10mins punish that kind of player severely. And favors a rather clockwork style gaming, including the occasional all deciding lucky shot.

so thats how av3k won...

Players who take the most risks:

1. av3k
3. cooller
cypher (lost to stermy in quarter final)
dahang (lost to cooller in quarter final)

I can't possibly comment on the "ranking". All I see is life driven out. But then, while at it, who's #2?

Shows it's quite balanced no?

1. Risk
2. Safety
3. Risk
4. Safety

2 of the 4 other 1/4 final players were Risk the other 2 Safety

Again, I couldn't be entirely sure. Maybe my list might look slightly different.

Also, if it was the "hiding in the hall" bit which influenced your ranking, I might wonder whether it's really a sign of risk adversity. Because running down the clock could well become a major sport these days, no matter what style you feel comfortable in.

It's not my ranking, it's the final placings :P

1. av3k (risk)
2. z4muz (safe)
3. cooller (risk)
4. stermy (safe)
5-8 = dahang/cypher (risk) + I can't remember but the rest of the guys at the tournament I'd say were all safe

And my opinion on the players is based on seeing them in many matches so no I wasn't influenced by that :P (Obviously all players run down the clock).

rofl stermy safe? He goes in with his shaft eventhough his opponent has twice hp and armor. :O (Look Stermy vs Cooller at t9)

I didn't say he played a smart game, he's just an overly cautious player.

Maybe it's just me but what I just wrote is the opposite of cautious.

he apparently had lots of sound issues vs cooller, so id imagine he was in #care mode ;p. if you wach some of his demos on here you will see he normally likes to hold control while hardly ever risking anything. prefering to let his opponent come to him and make the mistakes.

Stermy did get heavy influence from fatality, who certainly is not a risk taker.

OK, slight misunderstanding. I thought that was your ranking in terms of "riskiness".

Ye right, I could agree to that. East European resp. Russian players generally seem to have a tendency to play a little more offensive. Might relate to the temperament or whatever. But that's exactly what I like to see as a spectator.

The point being that, once you get that lucky, early advantage, in Q3 you still need to go on attacking if you really want to secure the win. While QL it's tempting to start merely preventing e.g. from the 5th minute onward and backpedaling from the 8th. That's the style those 10mins seem to support. And I don't like it.

I much prefer the aggressive players too, but lets not forget the master of playing it safe, was the Russian b100.death!

I think the placings show that at the moment duel in QL is fairly balanced between the two styles, obviously for interests sake (and fun!) I'd like to see it skewed towards the aggressive style.

OK, the ranking might be balanced. But I think the point still applies, especially because people increasingly talk about the "one, crucial mistake".

Now, there are games where crucial mistakes decide everything. Like chess. Where, after a crucial mistake, you'll hardly come back. And if you do, then likely only after a prolonged, tough struggle including your opponent making a crucial mistake.

And then there are games which don't have crucial mistakes, unless you make them in the last minute. Like soccer. Where, early on in the game, you can catch as many goals as you want, there'd still be the possibility to come back.

And that's how I think Quake has been in the past, a game which makes some allowance for mistakes and a single one never being "crucial". Which made it fun to watch. Also, players don't need to take prolonged precautions to prevent some unlucky incident causing them make that mistake. And disallow people to maybe even cough in the room because it might break their focus, like it is in chess.

And some allowance makes sense also because it's a computer game, where a mere tech issue might induce a mistake. Like a Windows service kicking in doing some cleanup in the background, where the player might experience a short momentary lag, never knowing why, which prevents him seeing that rocket coming. Bang, crucial mistake, thanks.

Hence, again, 15 minutes. That's all I'm saying (apart from gtv). It's been working so well for so many years.

I don't think it's the time limit but the other functions in the game.

Well, I'd say in about any game, the less time you have the more the likeliness increases of the outcome being skewed by (bad) luck. Even more so if it's a game which allows you to play defensive.

And if nothing else, an increased talk about "crucial mistakes" should already suggest in which direction things are leaning. But I guess I've made my point.

Incidentally, that's for example what I like about cooller. Most of the time when having a clear advantage, it seems like he almost wants his opponent to come back, maybe even not consciously. But so many times it seemed to me that, having a clear advantage and full item control, he starts becoming sloppy presumably feeling that the game will proceed being a boring routine unless he gives the other player at least something. I don't believe it's conscious decisions but rather an attitude. Like it not only being the win which counts but the game either.

Hmm, I am always liked (as spectator) to "sink in" the game with timelimit 15. 10 feels boring to me most of the time. Its over before I get the rythm. Well, and in a lot of the matches I won (yes, that happens:) in QL the timelimit 10 rescued me so I really think it hurts the game, especially on the older maps.

Man, you shouldn't be saying that because it's not *professional*. Like scoreboard professionality. But I'm still glad you said that, because that's exactly my feelings. No time anymore for the game in the game.

what with plazma... look some disbalanced

Yes. True.

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poor stermy
http://www.sk-gaming.com/video/190894-Stermy_...to_Cooller

Thorin send me the links, thank you both.

Those videos have horrible quality. Are they filmed with a phone camera? Both sound and image quality is extremely poor.

Well played Av3k...bit of an anti-climax that final though methinks.

Looking forward to IEM European finals in January

yeah the IEM finals will be a blast

Plus hopefully not games at 10am in the morning on a weekday?!

gratz :P

Proper disappointing games today, not just the results, but also the level of play. Look at stermy cooller and z4muz games yesterday compared to how they played today.

Gz to av3k for winning, but gutted that he did tbh.

I'm not a big fan of avek, but he played some pretty good quake today

I have to disagree, it is just that aveks style didnt suit zamuz. Sometimes a single unexpected push can turnaround tables and avek was doing such pushes all the time. It seemed that zamuz likes going a bit agressive at times, but in his previous matches he didnt faced anyone who would do that.

Players always look good when they are winning, and if they met person with a style they arent fit with, their game may look bit messy. Zamus definitly did great with the cup, he answered expectations of many people here, but I wonder if final wouldnt look similiar if he would go against Cooller.

z4muz never takes any risks, and never has. He relies on getting control from the off or the other player "giving" him control then he just runs the armours and engages in battles over the items he's running.

He never seeks out frags, even in advantageous situations (e.g. ESWC 2004 vs czm on ztn he had numerous chances to finish czm off and extend his lead but refused to take them) let alone where he has only that option (It took him until like 9:00 on qzdm13 vs av3k before he made an attack...).

Even in the qzdm6 game against Stermy, it was a Stermy mistake and then aggressive play by Stermy which gave z4muz the frags and ultimately the win.

On t9 in todays final he picked some shaft fights during which he had slightly poorer stack. Maybe as you say it was cause he knew he will win them, but even if calculated, many other players wouldnt participate in them. Then look at what avek did, like jumping down with rockets after barely running away for his life by jumppad on dm13. That was beyond what anybody could expect. Since we saw a lot of such situations, it is either avek was outhinking zamuz or avek style rich with unexpected pushes didnt suit zamuz at all. Either way calling the final poor, because top contenders game didnt look same as day before, against DIFFERENT opponents, is one of the silliest excuses that can be made.

Anyway the game is on, and now I want jibo properly back too :P

av3k is all about being aggressive in illogical situations in order to surprise the opponent and remain unpredictable.

But it wasn't that his style countered z4muz, it's just z4muz is ineffective in general against players that can match his control and aim.

That would mean that untill the final nobody was able to match his aim and control. Well he didnt fought the strongest possible opponents, but would outcome be the same if avek used lets say zamuz own style? I think it would be even closer if he did, and so will hand it, at least partialy, to avek agressive style. Feel free to disagree, but I think thats an important factor too.

Aside stylematching, the best part is we enjoy the variety.

He was fortuitous to beat Stermy in the semi-final, if it wasn't for Stermy being a z4muz clone himself he could easily have not been in the final.

Who did he play in the quarter-final?

As for your question, no, because it's z4muz style which isn't effective against the best of the best players (which is why he is a top5 but not winner guy).

dkt, 8:3 on ztn and 23:5 on t9.

thats not true, watch his game vs stermy on t9

I felt like Zamuz backed off from some fights way too early, like he was scared of Avek's close-range abilities or not confident enough in his own. Too bad, he had his chances, Avek didn't play flawlessly.

GG

Where are the demos?

Second Dreamhack in a row ]:->

ur so wrong , last won calipt......

second with good players*

Any word on SF4 stream?

this guy tells u what is cool
http://www.sk-gaming.com/video/190930-Cooller...tournament

one more win for av3k and there will come the war, who's the best ql player, rapha or av3k

ESR community will answer:
COOLLER

:DD

it is not ESR, it is the truth

Cooller was Cooller is and Cooller will be the best ever! :)

What a great tourney it was ! My 3 favorite players finished top 3!

Too bad Cooller didnt win but seeing Z4muz in the finals is great! You also gotta love Avek's gamestyle! He can make some unexpected crazy shit moves. Sick.

Z4muZ ;-D

xoxo

demos

demos

demos

z4muz \o/

direct vods from final or demos !

Av3k awesome !

It looked pretty easy for av3k. I guess when he actually decides to train seriously he would be unstoppable. Same goes for Cypher. He wasn't nr. 1 on cypher's top 5 duelers list for no reason :p.

Cooller was playing amazing, im pretty sad he lost but also nice to see av3k doing well, i feel like av3k is a pretty strong counter for cooller style wise, he seemed to read his dodging really well, which other players wasnt able to, ah well, he'll win one soon!

You can find recorded VODs here - http://levelupyourgame.net/.
To view them just click 'MENU' button at player, then go to 'Browse on-demand library' and eventually you will see Dreamhack vods directory.

Actual finals are missing, we will upload high quality versions tommorow

what about semi finals?

nevermind, its the first video in the list, thanks

nice, i missed z4muz vs stermy
have a [+] for the good streaming of all the games and now doing vods \o/

That's great, but the video titles aren't very helpful: http://imgur.com/45pRD.png

fucking delays.. I couldn't make it and passed out while watching cooller vs av3k on dm13 at like 6:30ish AM :(

haha that's exactly when i passed out

The dead Pope's soul can finally move up to heaven considering Polish people have found a new cult icon.

OH WAIT POLISH PEOPLE DON'T HAVE SOULS... SHIIIIIIIIIIIII---

ohh ... really? ;(

congratz av3k, well done.

edit: any demo around... like something just scattered on the floor... not that important ... you know... but... you know... the demos?

if someone ... like... care? :)

Allthough I am a fan of z4muz, I would have rather seen Cooller in finals with bo5 maps as I think he would have deserved it more. To sum it up I think Dreamhack needs Double Elimination system.

I can't agree more

With all those delays they'd never be able to run a Double Elim.

bo5 from quarter finals onwards I'd say

Perhaps.

The real final was really Cooller-av3k.
As great and surprising Z4muz performance was, I don't see how he would have had much of a chance against Cooller.

av3k meanwhile is showing his amazing talent, to me he is simply the most dangerous player out there with the fastest and deadliest +forward attacks.

Agreed. His LG battles with cooller were just amazing.

Fox making his debut as a commentator was nice! :)

thats my fuckin boy av3k! well done! :D delighted. always knew he'd win if he got into gear. onwards and upwards! next target - rapha

if they will use single elimination system in future i hope they will go for bo5 in every playoff match.

cooller on ztn vs fox was the most impressive thing I've seen this tournament.
Fox was happy with the shards...

"Fox was happy with the shards..."

lol

http://www.goodgame.ru/video.php?ocd=view&id=986 (In russian)

Cooller prefer SEGA! :P

video interviews with cooller & cypher were indepth interviews, but in russian language :(

http://www.goodgame.ru/video.php?order=game_id&gid=8&pg=0

Yeah, very nice interview with Cooller, loved his jokes at Cypher :)

(Question about how much he won @ DH)
Cooller: bla bla bla, about 1000 eur, bla bla (teasing look at Cypher) now I can even afford to buy something!

or

(Some stupid question about Cooller's favourite colour)
Cooller: ... if it's color of your clothes, it's one thing, if it's colour of a car it's another, and (VERY naughty look at Cypher) if it's colour of the eyes of cypher, it's completely different!

demos

fkn knew zamuz was going to get rolled.. couldnt pass the 3:1 odds up though D:

I wanted avek to beat cooller and it happened. From the way he played against cooller and from what stermy did to z4muz in dm6 initially made it clear who'd bag it and tag it.

For the love of all that is holy where are the DEMOS!! Only so much i can take :)

Demos please

Demos?

DAHANG DEMOS NAO!!!!

av3k was the best player this tournament. Really interesting style. Z4muZ didn't have a chance, but looking at the first day games it was pretty obvious to me that av3k and cooller were they best players in the tournament.
It's a shame they met in the semis.

They were way above everybody imho.

Yes, happens way to often in group stage SE systems that the best players met before the final (and make the finals dull to watch). DE at least make it very likely that the best players meet in the final. For example, in DE, if Cooller and av3k had met before, the looser would most likely made it through the loosers bracket and get to the finals.

It seems like the players' skill fluctuates far too much tournament-to-tournament and day-to-day to use systems that rely so heavily on good seeding (single elimination).

thanks for the streaming

It would be nice to get cooller's and av3k's all demos, they sure include something special.

demos

we need timelimit 2 and more dm6

http://www.justin.tv/clip/0a3972c1a11d2c12

these cut-videos are somewhat confusing, how can i see all ql videos with one link.

Damn, it's only half of the 1st map =(. where is the rest?

click 'next clip' ;)

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where are demos?? christmas is soon

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4083/beznzvutr.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6696/buenavista.jpg
yes, i was really bored :p

2nd one is $$$$

bonus points for filename lol

HAHAHAH hell yeah, that 2nd one is def $$$$.

hahahahahaha, nice job!!

taiwan!

rotfl, both are fcuking great!! :D

This is the reason the grand final was delayed for such a long time. Av3k was busy with:

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/...0996_n.jpg


Z4muz was politely waiting in the meantime: http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/...4463_n.jpg

Americans are nothing without Rapha :)

Don't forget Chuck!

any Vod with all the game ?

not the justin.tv link, it's fucked

av3k, z4muz & cooller lol oldschool players ;d

demos?

how can i contact AGP for organizing demos?!