* Quake Live

eswc without quake is not eswc

[+]

Exactly

My thoughts exactly.

Everybody that turned his back to quake failed. I am glad they will fail too and I don't feel any remorse about that. They deserve it.

I guess the people who didn't turn their back on quake must have succeeded then. So tell me again, who is that? AGP?

My pleasure :)

CPL was very successful when started with q3. ESWC was very successful until the year they dropped Q3. Once u drop it, it doesn’t help bringing it back later. Both dropped it, show their mistake (for CPL took years for that) and brought it back, but was too late then.

Also, let me remind you that Quake (and doom before that), started all this so called e-sport thing. At those days, playing online against human opponents was almost unheard of and kind of underground … since most ppl were playing from their basement anw :PPPP

+1

Its not the the fault of the tournament holders that quake3 barely evolved over a decade.

How CS evolved?

Cs didn't evolve because it was the most popular game back then, what should have valve done more?
Plus they supported it via Steam and still patched it occasionally...

the new ESWC aka WCG

haha my thoughts exactly

* Virtual Tennis

FUCK YESSSSSSS!

Virtual Tennis and not QL is a joke...

fatality will win this hands down :D

I'd like QL to be added as well, such a nice game to follow/spectate and has proven its worth for the ESL.

eswc without quake is not eswc

quake or gtfo

ftw? Quake Live!

quake without eswc is not CS

Joke

OMG, I WAS SO HAPPY TO SEE ESWC BACK IN BUISNESS BUT NO QUAKE? WHAT THE FUCK?????????? :(

i second that =[[

no quake (live) :(

what a load of shit

Where is fucking Quake Live???

First i was yeeee !







but then i was aaaw........ ffffffuuck

wow, we are so alike!

street fighter 4 :D

tiger uppercut!

How can you guys all whine about the ESWC not including QL and then whine about the AGP?

If you all got together and supported the AGP then you could force the ESWC into action to include QL in their event.

How could they force anything? Boycott the CS tourney?

obviously, by not sanctioning the eswc, Mr. sillybeans.

Did you not read that massive post of jibberish that streetrunner posted in the AGP thread? (Or Gillz)

I zone in and out while I read his posts!

I support AGP (I am even a member of it!), this doesn't mean that I like its spam on ESR or the fact that in fact AGP so far said 1000-s of "we will ...", but haven't yet done anything.
Anyway, what does AGP do about ESWC?

"Quake or gtfo" :-)

yo, we are not lost yet

ESWC organization committee might add more games early 2010.

Wtih this statement they become even more WCG-like... The last thing to complete this image would be an online poll about games to be included.

they better do, if no i'll boomb them

too late ... now we don't want them

let them burn

quake or another bankruptcy

quake for another bankruptcy

fyp

oh, cmon, now you sound reasonable :)

ROFL No Quake and they call themselves "ESWC".

It's like having olympics without 100m...

get the fuck off my esr

no quake, no fun...

Street Fighter 4 - great choice!

it has the skill, numbers in both players and audience.. and also the legacy of an old school series (perhaps the first modern game to be played competitively - SF2 World Warrior released in March 1991)

LEZ GO JUSTIN!!

it's missing sc aswell

god damn.. must've been some wild wishful thinking

Interesting that nobody mentioned the involvement of the CyberXgames yet. That was such a massive fail and it would really suck to eswc become something similar, qlive or not.

What a buch of crappy games.

boot that Cunter Strike female shit and add Quake Live!!!!!! :(((((

but that would be sexism..

we dont wanna give the impression that we, quake players, are all sexist. =(

sexist virgins!

Don't worry AGP will fix this.

i really hope so, AGP is our last hope....

AGP please don't sanction this! boycott them their points untill they have QL!

the AGP is only involved in QL you idiot

Poor Cooller, ESWC seemed to be one of his only motivations.

now he has strenx

He had Zero, Czm and Toxic, who's stenx...?

they are respectable opponents and notoriously good on lan. strenx never shown good game on lan yet he managed to win from cooller online few maps. cooller is damn motivated to get strenx's ass on lan and prove himself. you should have followed last few online cups.

Fuck ESWC, his biggest motivation (was | is | will be) money.

ESWC was the most important tournament for years imo, made events like Quakecon look like a lollery tournament.

If it was just money then he would of been been at more events.

You're talking about Fatality.

at first i was happy, till i saw the games list *sigh*

ESWC won't be run by the same staff anymore I guess. You can forget about how cool it was to cover the event!

its sad :( ESWC was the best

+sf4
-quake
-sc

...

no dota no interest :X

no quakelive?

day after day I relise , that I choosed bad game to play :((( guitar hero / street fighter / tenis ftw!

hey, don't put street fighter on that list :\

are you seriously putting street fighter up with virtua tennis and guitar hero? :/

get a clue, retard with broken english.

Street Fighter was played competitively since 1991.

it has the longest competitive tradition without dabbling with pipedream "esports" bullshit.

fuck off dickhead, it wasn't troll , i like SF !

Where is Guitar Hero and Caroom 3D???

Fuck ESWC...

this is AGP's chance to prove they're not completely useless. ESR got a q3 masters tournie agreed before...if AGP cant do similar then the organisation is useless

With the new owners, I don't think it'll be as easy as before. Would totally change my mind on AGP power if they did, tho.

Haha, nice joke!

I have a more compelling task for AGP - in order to prove themselves usefull, they should persuade THE WCG to include QuakeLive into games list.

That would be epic achievment!

I have a more compelling task for AGP - in order to prove themselves usefull, they should persuade THE WCG to include A QUAKE THAT AS REAL MOVEMENT into games list.

That would be epic achievment!

QuakeThat - is it the working title of the next gen quake game?

Couldn't agree more. ESWC without Quake != ESWC with Quake

How would the AGP change anything?
AGP: "You didn't include QL. This is unacceptable."
ESWC: "Uhhh who the fuck are you?"
AGP: "We are the AGP... we are kind of a big deal. If you don't include QL we will write you nasty emails and um boycott your tournament"
ESWC: "Fuck off dude."
:D

No Starcraft (1 or 2)? =\

No Quake Live? =|

But Counterstrike 1.6 Female? =((

put on your green hat

I wouldn't even say cs 1.6 Female is the worst on the list (considering it's also about it being there for years)...

How many ppl play and more importantly want to watch tennis? i agree with "quake or gtfo"!

man i don't get why there is no sc and no quake =(

thank you guys for ignoring quakelive

sounds like scam to me

Stéphane Cosse, the head of DIP Communication and DIP Organisation (An event organiser)

I am not an expert in the french scene but if I remember correctly this guy/company was involved in Clikarena which was announced with about 150k in prizemoney, ran a very crappy event and never paid up in the end. Can someone from France verify that?

reading complete newspost is soo 1999.

really ? I thought that it was 1996 ?

News Posted by dfb @ 12:36 CET initial newspost
Comment #64 @ 15:02 CET my comment
Edited by Xou around 15:37 added the information from sk-gaming (anyone else on this site visiting sk gaming?)
Comment #75 @ 15:49 CET your comment


drinking becks that early in the day is doing that to you ..

ini put the info in at 13:12, after which I had read the news post.
There reason I didn't reply to you earlier, is because you hadn't posted you comment earlier...

But hey it's a forgivable mistake, not drinking beer in the morning can do that to you ;)



also: admin abuse rocks :D

admin command includes a diff to show the difference? i would believe xou added it as he is the only person on esr reading sk-gaming. i doubt it was in before as i got the topic in google reader, read the post and wondered why that information wasn´t provided considering there are a lot of french guys on this website

For a limitied time admins can click on "view" which leads to the version at that time. So I could see what was changed and when.
It is as I said "ini put the info in at 13:12" and you missed it ;)
You can also tell I was on the right track cause ini plussed me.

Well, there is one other possibility: You opened the window much earlier and waited two hours without refreshing to actually write the comment. But that wouldn't be my fault :]

Yes, it's said in French websites that this guy manage Clickarena in May 2003, that these tournaments had a lot of delay and that the $50.000 cash prizes was never paid...

omg ,oh yeaaaaaa






....fxxx

no quake >:(

-Virtual Tennis
-Need For Speed: Shift

+ Quake live
+SC

best tournament ever right?

+ jibo ;)

hello wcg #2 :(

why not women virtual tenis? like in real life???

What blasphemy is this!!?

Someone had to fix this big ad for tek9 : ]

Didn't have time to look for a proper source.

Subtract Virtua Tennis, NFS and FIFA. Add QL. Spread new found funds around better games.

No quake or ut. nice.... Epic Fail...

And guys, don't fool yourselves when you think that agp or anyone other than ID software can do anything here. I mean, they would have to pay some "fees" to get their game on the list. This is why UT2004 failed on the beggining, and UT3 failed before it came out, becouse EPIC games didn't pay their contribution.

Now quakelive is different, has a lot things going on besides eswc and wcg, but could also loose some top players becouse of this. I mean, if there would be eswc tourney with prize poll of 25000 there would be at least 5-6 top tier oldschoolers back to game(toxjq, czm, fatal1ty, zero4?). These eswc and wcg corporations are all the same, they want profit, and they won't get it if someone doesn't pay them to put their games on list. That's just how it works.

What is this "ut" you speak of.

but they have to prove themselves first and the new ESWC hasn’t prove anything yet

nice EPIC fail since they didnt pick that popular unreal game!!

nice EPIC fail since they didnt pick that popular unreal game!!

"with prize poll of 25000 "

ESL will easily top that and unlike this ESWC will be sure to pay it out, somewhy I don't see the oldschoolers back.

Esl Dubai had 6500$....

NA finals have ~10k, European - something similar, and there's more.

some have come back: cooller, z4muz, fooki, fazz

yes, I'm just saying its probably other reasons that the players he listed didn't come back as there are other tournaments as big as a 25k ESWC.

yes I agree with that

There may be tournaments like that soon, but for now, there aren't. $6500 prize poll isn't same as pottential $20000-25000.

P.S. And for those unreal haters, I don't see the sense in your posts, trolling or smth else, but nvm I won't get in discussion with you. I like ut and quake at same level, and those are similar games as far as I can tell, both fast, unrealistic, and require a lot of skill. And which one is more active it should be supported on big tournaments like eswc or wcg. In this moment it's quake live, and I fully support it. Tommorow it will be some new unreal game, day after it will be new quake, or something completely new, but these games gather same kind of people and you all know it.

lol

I got this facebook message a few weeks ago, we talked about it on LO3 but you guys might find it interesting:

This weekend a big e-sports event was supposed to be held in Toulouse, France, the E-Games Festival. The organizing company was DIP Organisation, owned by Stéphane Cosse, the buyer of the ESWC brand and this was going to be the fourth edition.

I live in Barcelona. Toulouse is just 4 hour trip. Cosse said before the summer that there was a chance the ESWC to be held in Toulouse. I planned to attend to get to know the people that are planning to relaunch the ESWC. I was very curious as Cosse's also the guy behind ClickArena's epic fail.

Yesterday morning we (myself and my associate) arrived at the Toulouse Fair, the supposed venue, and -big surprise- there was no event.

We checked the website where there was no warning of the event's cancellation. Still there isn't. You can check it up at http://www.e-games-festival.com/

The event was listed in various websites as happening. For instance:
http://www.esp.cityvox.fr/eventos_toulouse/oc...Recurrents

We were very angry. We went to the offices of DIP Organisation to ask what had happened and found that they had been recently abandoned.

++ END MSG ++

Didn't sound good then, doesn't sound any better now. A lack of Quake makes this even more fail.

thanks for the info.


and to be honest by now I'm glad that quake is not on the list.

I am glad too. It sounds like a scam anw

E-sports, fuck yea!

You should ask french people about it before going blindly to such a big event in France :p

you live in barcelona? what?

Read the first line

:)

virtual tennis is a joke

Cool.

Maybe we'll get to see the return of this girl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj__LY6SyPE#t=07m05s

=]

Cooller angry-focused face = $$$

$$$

yep nat0 is delish :P

Thats funny I didn't think you liked girls. seeing as how you had stermy as your desktop backround.

<333333333333333333333333333

FFS!? Where is quakelive?!

Quake is a world, it’s a language. Playing “Quake” is a digital way of breathing. I believe in Electronic Sports because of Quake. © Matthieu Dallon (ESWC Organizer)

who doesn't own ESWC anymore.

No Quake? Come on!

And what the fuck is up with CS 1.6, it blew goats 6+ years ago when that patch was first released ...?

ghihihi

I don't get it, why the lack of irony in the content of your thread, excepting maybe the title which eswc stuff would not understand

i bet this tourney will sink like the ship i saw in the news, with the explosives and uhh.. you know, yes.

ADD QUAKELIVE FFS!

"DIP-Organisation is studying the possibilities to found a way to compensate the last ESWC champions"
ahahahah, study the hell out of zi problemz, isn't ya?
just give people the damn money, no need to frighten the world with your study aplicabilities

They aren't legally obliged to since they only brought the brand/trademark et cetera and not the company.

They clearly have no intentions of paying the money.

but they feel the need to say like they would
one of the reason this "news thread" would be written in a much more agressive manner

title:
They say ESWC is back, but we don't believe it

The ESWC has now unveiled their strange plans for the summer of 2010 with a new $200,000 dollar e-Sports event taking place in Disneyland Paris from June 30 to July 4, 2010, with the decision to put all the money on the table, for lamers mostly

Games included:
-* Track megalomania ESWC
* Virtual Tennis aka Virtual Sex One Hand Only
* Need For Speed
* Street Fighter 4
* FIFA 2010
-CS 1.6 (ok, CS it's a standard, but I'm affraid they keep it just to fool people into believing they are the same respectable gaming organisation)

in order to prevent more harm and damage to the ESWC image and to maintain coherent the ESWC project and spirit, DIP-Organisation is studying at the NASA cyclotrone, the possibilities to found a way to compensate the last ESWC champions

this organisation doesn't deserve an impartial treatment from esr imo

ESR doesn't "treat"
Write a column if you want. News contains answers to the following questions and least amount of adjectives:
When
What
Where

I was not thinking at admins or some greater power when I said esr, but about those who write the news. try not identify yourself with esr, ok?
(can't write a column here because my poor english, and even if I'd write it decent, I would not be satisfied, because in my native language I rule)

"I was not thinking at admins or some greater power when I said esr,"

Neither was I.

"but about those who write the news."

Either name those people or don't point out who's NOT "ESR".

"try not identify yourself with esr, ok?"

Uh, try identifying who you're talking about, ok? And I will identify myself with ESR as much as want, ok?

News items are not for editorializing. If you don't see enough opinion or speculation in news, that's a good thing, as far as the genre is concerned.

""I was not thinking at admins or some greater power when I said esr,"
Neither was I."
well when you said "ESR doesn't "treat" you clearly sounded like one
whatever, unimportant

commercials works like this: if it is not written on the main page, it doesn't exist; and what is written on the main page? ESWC IS BACK (prepare your pop-corn ladies and gentlemen). ta-ra!
the way the news about eswc is written sounds like a great thing to happen -see people comments
despite the fact that we condemn the eswc attitude and their choices, we are doing eswc a favour -free commercials

"Either name those people or don't point out who's NOT "ESR"."
well whoever wrote this nice article about eswc, dfb?
I understand somehow that the news alura must be keepen so the articles can't be very agressive against CPL eswc and all this s*, but he could at least write there on the title:
ESWC RETURNS -NO QUAKE THOUGH, or just name the eswc event, without any 'returning', because eswc doesn't return, eswc is dead

I fail to see how RETURNS makes it seem as if it's great, if it read HITLER RETURNS would you think I thought that was great?

This isn't a Quake exclusive site and as such if it had Quake it would have the Quake filter.

Wouldn't it be correct to say then "ClickArena RETURNS (now as ESWC)"?

No, it isn't the same company, they just both involve this Cosse guy.

I know it isn't the same company. I've watching the latest ESWC event. But I was trying to make the point, about what you exactly said, this guy "Cosse".

"well when you said "ESR doesn't "treat" you clearly sounded like one whatever, unimportant"

That is reply to what you said, meaning your supposition that there is some sort of an ESR entity which can "treat" something is nonsense. It has nothing to do with me.

"I understand somehow that the news alura must be keepen so the articles can't be very agressive against CPL eswc and all this s*,"

News are not supposed to aggressive agaisnt ANY shit.

"but he could at least write there on the title:
ESWC RETURNS -NO QUAKE THOUGH"

No, no buts should be tolerated in news. "ESWC RETURNS" is a fact. It has nothing to do with quake, or in what form it returns(which is explained in the text below, with all the details of original organization being dead and all), or anything else. What you're suggesting is editorial take on this mundane fact, which I'm tired of repeating, has fuck all to do with news.

what are you? a communist?

add QL and UT2k4 thx .

change the name pls, save the memory of a once great tournament.

fuck you and fuck virtual tennis

at least we will see fatality back in action again! Virtua tennis for some easy money.

Fatal1ty vs Vo0 EPIC FINAL

without any fps game so fail

needs ql and dota

wat ? No Guitar Hero and Modern Warfare 2 :/

this needs a mathieu dallon itw

Who cares?

Quake never rolled around with the times and it deserves to be replaced by anything and everything.

You guys wanted to play the same shit over and over, this is the price. I.E. its not mainsteram enough to get a look in.

Besides, SF4 has more pedigree and tournament history than ALL of those games combined so its all good.

Just watch some eswc matches from 2004 and pretend it 2010.
Its not like its going to be any different and at least cooller could place top 3 back then.

Why don't you try playing something new instead of timefragging the same game and maps for another half of your life?

So we should play something new like cs 1.6 right? Because thats the only other fps game on the list...

Who am I kidding we should all just get with the times and play fifa or virtua tennis because gamers are all cripples that can't play the real life versions of things.

No it means you should broaden your horizons and play OTHER competitive genres instead of putting your eggs in one basket and calling everything else under the planet shit because it doesn't have strafe jumping and a railgun.

You should stick to posting random videos that nobody +'s

you forget that competitive gaming has some age now and the values are pretty much established
you can't just go on with removing all that was developing in a lot of years, just for the sake of change, if so you will pretty soon discover that you just removed the notion of competitive gaming
of course it is hard to keep same names over and over again, that's why we have quakelive

"You guys wanted to play the same shit over and over"
I don't think that it has anything to do with exhausting the possibilities or being close minded; it is more likely because years go by and now there are other generations, usually each sticking with its own game; because they were spending a lot of time on these games so they are skilled there
but whatever the game one or another generation chose, fact is that quake is competition oriented (regarding skills and technology as well) much more than these joke-games

Oh yeah, here we go again wit the "Quake is the only 'true e-sports'-game" :/

not at all
"fact is that quake is competition oriented (regarding skills and technology as well) much more than THESE joke-games"

Why do you limit yourself to FPS when there are plenty of other good genres?

fuck off

its that attitude which is why your game isn't selected.

Carry on by all means. That's what I meant by own worse enemy.

The only game I like more than Quake is streetfighter, so its all good.

You guys wanted to play the same shit over and over, this is the price...

Besides, SF4 has more pedigree and tournament history than ALL of those games combined so its all good.

eh?

lol you're all complaining but QL hasn't a lan support? end of story? just thank ID :> I guess if wouldn't have been the same with that added :F

It does have LAN support. Just look at Quakecon, IEM Dubai and now Dreamhack.. all LAN events.

french?

No, it doesn't.
Having to get id employees in a plane so they set up servers does not equal lan support for me.

cheap excuse
they could pick up quake3 then, but I don't think they want any quake in there

OMFG NO QUAKE ;oooooooo

Welcome to professional gaming.

nonsense this eswc

Sponsor more race car driving, soccer kicking, and tennis hitting video games because people would much rather play these on a computer then in real life.. That whole concept worked really well for the CGS and its audience. This is bound for success. Good idea, twats.

/end sarcasm

Sponsor more race car driving, soccer kicking, and tennis hitting video games because people would much rather spectate these on a computer then in real life

more relevant

touche

CGS was a failure for many reasons. Also, EA's Madden Challenge is actually very popular, believe it or not.

ESWC Returns!

* Counterstrike 1.6
* Female wet shirt contest
* Warcraft III: TFT
* Trackmania ESWC
* Quakeworld
* Quakelive
* Need For Speed: Shift
* Street Fighter 2
* FIFA 2010

fixed!

while I fucking love SF2: Super Turbo, it would be a bad choice at this point. the pros have moved on.

Unfortunately you are right =(

ESWC Returns!

* QW
* CPMA

fixed!

Better than QL, that's for sure.

Someone doing another Quad Damage tournament would be pure win.

Everybody's happy with SF4 and it's pretty much the best game in the series, so what's your beef with it?

Trackmania and NFS Shift will be interesting at least.

The way they listed it, it seem NFSS will be console? Crap.

Can you really blame any organizer for not using QL? Q3 was a charm to setup; servers were easy to launch and handle, broadcasting was free, low bandwith and relatively easy to manage, good maps, no suprise patches etc.
QL is a hassle. At what point did id go from "lets revive deathmach" to "lets cater to a few steaming businesses"?

sf4 is going to be awesome. GO DAIGO!

Daigo might not even get to go if they have local qualifiers in Japan first. sure, he's probably the best player in the world right now but there are quite a few in Japan who can beat him on a good day.

if he does represent Japan however, he could probably win the whole thing.

Don't forget to sign petition for Quake Live at WCG 2010 and fill the pool at WCG website, more here:

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1782680

yeah, right

seems like wcg stole eswc logo

Trackmania @ ESWC 2010 ftw

Finally have a good reason to go and play a qualifier, or indeed go to a LAN \o/.

I do, although, agree that rather than silly games picked such as Virtua Tennis (lol), games like Quake Live and DotA would make more sense as a choice of game.

P.S Gogo Epic CS Final! (WCG 09 Much? :P)

Sabre

cooller wanted quake live @ eswc, you best be making it happen