ez

that is fking sick fwiw.

lol ye right

doubt he will make top 8

if walter's gonna play, i'll keep my fingers crossed for him.

fu imo

shipped QJT8ss preflop and won 200bb+ by spiking a straight vs AA** and AA**. im that awesome.

with the right action (and it looks like it was in that case) it's a pretty good play. nh sir. I'm running like shiit atm :\

yeah was super obvious, like 95%+ both had AA**. ran eq calc and got 39% \o/

also, his aim is nowhere near as impressive as his map knowledge on hub3 (it's what makes those shots seem easy.)

he's been playing a lot more ctf than 1v1, he's just playing in the 1v1 for fun afaik

lame excuses

I would trust erok on his judgement, he was always very active and watchful for these things and probably knows what player does what now too.

can anyone confirm from qcon that he actually showed up!

just saw his name on the stream <:

he's there

Oh what? This is a turn up.

So he beat Chance in the first round of the tournament?
Plenty of players, including half the american community must feel like dumb jerks now.

according to http://tournaments.quakecon.org/tournament/sc...namentid=5 he lost!?!? wtf is goin on lol

gl to walter in loser bracket then.

He lost to chance, but if scores are still right but reversed they had a close game on ztn.

you're a faggot.
he beat chance and czm online and now you expect him to finish Top3 at this.

you're a faggot.

i posted this before the tournament began.
GT@flame my son.

Apparently he lost, but the close scores still show that his online game was real and that he does not cheat to play on a high level.

wp walter

They do? Up until the release of Qlive in February, Walter had no problems giving rapha close games (even winning some) in q3cpm. Now he can't even hang with Chance.. Hmm I wonder why?

Not to mention he played Completely different vs chance yesterday on lan than he plays online.

Case Closed.
Walter = Hacker.

ahh you even got your buddy to [+] your dumbass.
Truth hurts!

walter > voo

how is the sinking feeling?

If you're saying that Walter has always been a legit player, then you should be immensely surprised that he even lost a single game to Vo0.

Clearly Walter has been losing his skills since the days when he was beating Zero4 and Czm convincingly on Hub...

You'd be surprised to find that Zero4 lost a single game versus Vo0, and if memory serves correct, squeezing a win in the second out of 3 at eswc 08?

Haha, interesting that you'd bring that up because at that time Vo0 was playing VQ3 A TON. Vo0 barely plays anything anymore and if he does play anything it's mostly CPM, as far as I'm aware.

So, Vo0 @ ESWC '08 was in vastly better shape than he is now. Vo0 is now admittedly out of shape and doesn't know the maps he's losing on and he still took ZTN (of all maps -- Walter should be better on this than Vo0 by default since it's one of the trademark VQ3 maps and Walter is supposed to be this Godly player in VQ3).

I would say that your point is NULL and VOID on this basis.

Short of Walter winning this or at least making top 4, I think it's pretty apparent that Walter has either 1) lost a ton of skill since moving over to QL or 2) was clearly wallhacking up until recently.

Even Chance said in his recent interview that he didn't think "walter was hacking anymore".

Q.E.D.

Yes, because walter is as experienced as Zero4, with a proven lan record of traveling the world and playing the toughest of opponents. Your expectation of walter placing top 4 is ridiculous, even top 8 would be very optimistic, for someone as inexperienced.

I think the best only way this would be settled is just one demo of him, playing someone decent on hub, and play the way he usually does. But with this shitty coverage I have not even seen anyone play( also due to my crappy connection :( )

If he can pull some of the shots he usually does, then its case closed in my books. Brain and tournament result almost only comes with experience.

You lose.

The amazing online talent that is Walter didn't even make top16 at Quakecon.

It's actually a rising feeling.

yeah, because quakecon really was a hub only tournament this year around.

now take so aspirin cause you burt seems to be hurting quite a lot. and get rid of the Swedish flag while you're at it.

vo0 is a nobody in vq3 duel.

Should have just stopped at vo0 is a nobody.

He's in the last place standings - http://tournaments.quakecon.org/tournament/st...namentid=5

Since when is beating a last placing player credible?

And while we're on the subject of Suspected Cheaters getting Owned on LAN, lets have a look at Mr. KGB.

wow kgb lost to clamp....wonder what his lg acc was?

ya these 2 are so outstanding online and yet show these poor performances on lan. Like two completely different players.

how come kgb didn't shoot 80% rail?

walter beating Vo0 2-1 : definitely not bad for a supposed cheater :)

oops, Walter beats Vo0, who might not be too active but is still a pretty damn good player.

Nice going Walter, proving everybody who called you a cheater that you can compete with the best at lan.

Must be sweet for you!

Except we are dealing with some blundering idiots here, the same bunch who probably believe the earth is only 6000 years old with all the evidence pointing out the contrary.

I won't be in the very least surprised if the walter cheating accusations will go on regardless.

Of course there will continue to be accusations. Unless he makes it to finals and puts up 60 rail against Fox/Rapha/Cypher like he was doing against czm/zero4 when they were in tip-top shape.

z4 hasn't been in top shape for ages :(

Neither has czm. :<

neither has cooller :<

Cooller is always in shape!

oh please.

a cooller in shape would win quakecon by playing from an iphone in Russia.

Oh, I was going with the "only works out and plays poker" angle, but yours works too. :D

zero4 - 2nd place at quakecon 2008 after a dedicated practice regimen. May not have been his very prime but still tip top shape.

how does beating a vo0 prove anything? That guy isn't a vq3 duel TOP PRO. So what are you going on about?

Neither is walter.

guess you don't understand what's going on.

hes out

Huh, knocked out by Griffin. Interesting.

He lost that means he's a cheater according to science.

according to science hahahahahahhahahaha

stupid euros...

you can give them to me if you don't want them

haha n1

great to see you out there walter. thx for coming out!

im glad walter showed up even if he didnt get that far.

just a shame he will get flamed from idiots saying hes shit because he didnt place top3 or whatever. first lan plus huge amount of pressure to perform excellent.

some players do just perform so much better in their own environment whilst others are the other way around (cooller on inet for instance)

lol. maybe but he didn't even do anything that would prove he was ever SKILLED ENOUGH TO BEAT PLAYERS LIKE CZM,ZERO4 so easily as he did.

In a different game, on different maps, in a different time. He will never be able to "prove" what you're asking of him, not even by winning QuakeCon.

rofl a different game? You mean an even easier game. His aim was soooo super amazing not only just on hub but other duel maps and he handled people. The one reason I bet he went was because of the fact its very simple to aim in ql

very true, but its kind of fun seeing him fail, after his bragging demos of raping the likes of zero4 in random online prac games.

At the end of the day, Walter has done nothing to prove he is in the top16 of NA let alone the world class player that a lot of esr muppets who jizzed over his demos made him up to be

He is the definition of overrated, just like all the Europeans who dominate online but win shit in big money lans, the only time where you can judge how good a player is.

still the best movement. Hey at least its something ;-)

Well he lost to chance and griffin, who are probably number 4 and 5 in north america, and beat Vo0, who while not at the top of his game is still better than quite a few other people in the master's tourney. I'm not going to judge, since I haven't watched the demos/VOD, but if he gave griffin a good game then you have to give walter credit.

exactly. noctis didn't do too well at his first few lans iirc, even though he was a beast online.

also, he lost to Chance who has beaten the BEST PLAYER EVER in the past in q3. Chance is good.

i got 5th at eswc paris, which was the first tournament last year :/

oh my bad then. i thought i read something here about you taking time to get over the pressure of playing on lan.

with drugs you forget the pressure esealy

Beating me proves nothing. I'm terribly inactive. In fact, the last time I played quake live was probably somewhere in march, and before march, it was quakecon last year. I showed up cause it's a 40 minute drive from where I live. I didn't even have my gaming peripherals with me the first day, as I hadn't even planned on "competing". :)
Anyway, he's a nice guy but whether he cheated or not remains in the dark! He told me he never cheated, though :P

nice guy is too vague, everyone is. quiet/shy/weird/gimpish laugh/cocky/funny/smells/loud; details =p

remove loud and funny and you get dird

sif u know

Nice guy is about right tbh! :) Shy and definitely not cocky. Didn't smell (then again, very few Quake players rise above the non-Quake stink at Quakecon).

i love u

What's he look like now? I remember in one of his ESR posts he said he lost a lot of weight (~60 lbs, I think).

Normal...def. not overweight, even by American standards :)

Nice.
Gratz on the weight loss and keeping it off, Walter. :D

lmao@Paladia

To me, this LAN should be the one that puts to rest doubts about Walter (and apparently kgb since he wanted to be referred to as kgb the hacker).

Just from my experiences spread through several games (yeah I've never been as good as the top players, but not terrible either), getting used to LAN is a separate skill set. The level of noise from the vendors, people walking around you, different computers, lighting, temperature, and on and on are variables usually not stacked in your favor. When I was good (haha), usually the main thing that got me were nerves and cold - I'd go from having a strong shaft and midpack rail on the internet to either a bit better or significantly worse at events, even when I practiced regularly on LAN. Even at this event, the computer I used for my first 1v1 Open match felt completely different than the one for my CTF match. Anyhow, there are variables and the simple assumption that "you should be just as good if not better on LAN" doesn't really work out, even for mid tier players. I've seen and been through enough to get it...part of the reason I tried to get Walter down here a while back is because I felt reasonably qualified to say "oh yeah, smells like a fish."

After spitting out all of that, watching kgb this year was different from before - it could have been experience, or calmness, or different preparation, but he definitely played at the same level as he does online, and any accusations of cheating at this point have no real ground to stand on. Walter didn't rape the world like some ppl on here need for proof of innocence, but at the same time playing in the masters tournament wasn't a cakewalk for anyone (except maybe rapha!). He didn't look like some disoriented cheater who was playing without assistance, he just looked like someone who was in a loud, freezing room on a completely unfamiliar computer, with all sorts of external expectations. Whatever affected him didn't seem unusual or alarming, and various accusations or statements of doubt are, to me, unwarranted.

And vo0 is selling himself short. He could play blindfolded on a 386 with a serial ball mouse and still beat quite a few folks :)

per1klEZeszes incoming!

oh come on, this is totally unfair.

How should people argue against this when they weren't even there. Now their opinions will look even more idiotic :(

thing is, idiots are too dumb too realize they look idiotic.

yeh :(

and wb :)

was i gone? *might be an idiot*

well dunno, but not a single post in a 1700+ reply thread surely counts as "gone" :)

oh that, i've been trying to be less mainstream lately.

ok, "cool"


:)

just need to make up my own language, then i'm truly underground/tolkien.

ask guard for advice.

was more hoping for alchemist to chime in here.

good ... idea
see ... posts various in demos!

i this... know
many advice greater there...

why post that video? it wasn't particularly impressive. even i've done that a few times and i'm not good. aiming at tele exits and spawn points isn't hard at all... especially on hub.

if i was wrongfully accused of cheating, i *wouldn't give a shit*. i'd just play as i always play and let people talk shit. let alone making youtube videos of "similar" stuff of lan players and writing down essays on esr about how innocent i am. cause i know i'm legit, so why would i give a fuck?

then again, if someone *was* cheating, and then accused of cheating, i understand how it affects them, i understand the attempt of making the drama and desperately trying to prove themselves innocent by all means possible.

simple psychology. and i'm quite good @ reading people.

:)


anyway, this is a different game, comparison with q3 means nothing by itself.

but i'm REALLY happy for the guy to make it there. it probably removed some weight from his shoulders to finally get to a big lan event, no matter how he performed.

when I was caught "cheating" I did write something because I knew I could prove it was someone else playing with my cd-key.

Neither you nor me are a basis the evaluate any other gamer's behaviour. Especially not when he comes from a different culture.
And at least to me you have already proven how bad you are at "reading" people by the assumptions you made about me in previous comments.

And now you are already arguing with yourself as the basis. At the rate that is going you will be arguing that god told you the truth in your sleep soon.

But I suppose you had to do it like this, can't admit that you were wrong. Not even a mention of how you were sure he would never attend.

But hey I'm REALLY happy that you made this comment. it probably removed some weight from his shoulders to finally get this over with and you don't have to try to convince people of something you are not sure you believe yourself, any more. good job.

i don't even know what to answer from these two, they are both pretty confusing.

btw you were 10x easier to read, what makes you think i was wrong about anything? i just know you. through and through. you're easy. :)

i'm not accusing anyone, that's what you fail to realize each time you reply to something related to this. i don't post stuff claiming they are the proof that someone cheats. just my .02

i just say i'm always flattered when someone accuses me of cheating. far from raging about it.

cdkey part is pretty much irrelevant but ok.

and seeing a proof to anything in a pretty bad quakecon performance (in another game actually), that alone is pretty funny.
its not like i havent said already that he will fail at lan either cause he cant cheat, or cause it will be his 1st tourney, and the nerves will fuck him up. whoever expected something here was...naive.


i would like to read at least 1 argument about whatever you try to think about this, but i still didn't find it. anywhere.

lastly, i really like you doing the lawyer-free-of-charge thingy, you probably think you're successful, for some reason.

"btw you were 10x easier to read, what makes you think i was wrong about anything? i just know you. through and through. you're easy. :)"

well, you must be one of the few people left who believe they can evaluate a real person through the internet.
And the assumptions you have made about me here were mostly wrong, becuase believe it or not I may know my life a little better tahn you do. Oh, and for the record none of the people who know me ever said I am easy to understand, rather the opposite :)
But you just keep believing what you want I you will anyways. ;)

I was actually a lot earlier with the exspectation that a lan appearance would most likely (except if he won) never shut the critics up. That was back in the first wave of walter threads. But obivously you think that that would somehow be used to help your case that he did cheat in the past. Quite funny actually :)

Also, if you knew me as well as you claim you do, you would see that my entire post (#98) was meant to mock your's and your condescending tone.

Worked like a charm :)

dude i've got no tone. you constantly fail to realize that i *dont* accuse the guy of cheating. obviously when things are not pure black and white your brain tends to implode cause you can't follow the pattern of predictable arguments. and you get nervous with trying to reply to something that wasn't really the point. at least that was the case so far.

the only thing i do write is pretty much that "people who doubt have a reason to doubt" and "people who blindly defend him have nothing working for them".

that's pretty much it.

i dont talk about your personal life ffs, just about this "online" part. and if you write always the opposite of what you think, you may be right.

ah so now you are pretending to be me. smart move.

Cause you where the one jumping into a discussion with tourist, where I said exactly the same thing, except that I was leaning towards the "he doesn't cheat" option. You other hand call me stupid for not seeing the "evidence" which you apparently don't believe yourself any more. But thanks for agreeing even tough you don't admit it :)

And if you can't tell in your own posts, that doesn't mean you don't have one.
Take a guess why people keep mocking your tested iq. And please don't embarass yourself by claiming it's envy ;)

Here's a short lecture on the last sentence in your original post:
"but i'm REALLY happy for the guy to make it there. it probably removed some weight from his shoulders to finally get to a big lan event, no matter how he performed. "

If express that you feel happy for another guy, that puts you in a superior position, cause you imply that a) your life is so good you can afford to feel happy for other and b)he must have been in a bad position before (accused by nerds, oh the horror). You try to emphasize that with writing really in caps.
You repeat point b) by claiming it removed some weight from his shoulders, again implying that he actually had weight on his shoulders, again putting you in a better light by comparison.
And in the end you again pretend to be benevolent, by saying "no matter how he performed", implying he performed badly (even though is was on par with the likes of garpy and HELL). While in fact you were happy he didn't perform perfectly, because that would have shed a bad light on your argumentation in previous threads.

Also, feeling the need to take intelligence tests often is caused by insecurity ;)

i took the test once, and i'll never do it again. as i said before, i took it because that test HAS to be taken to get to the college of psychology, not because i was really interested in the results. and i don't really know what it has to do with being insecure, but then again, neither do you. its one of those things you tend to write down just cause they probably sound good to you, even though they have nothing to do with anything. wouldn't be the first time.

see how stupid that makes you feel now? learn something from that.

that's your first fail. and you keep writing down those smileys as if you're onto something, that's just sad. and you're just wrong, as usual.

second, you're wrong also about walter. again. how the fuck do you do it? why couldn't i be happy for the guy after he attended quakecon? that makes me superior? in what way really? he is the topic of discussions and accusations here for years. i'm REALLY happy for him to attend the lan. simple as that.

no matter how he performed

yeah. NO MATTER how he performed, he was there. he met the guys he plays online for years, that's probably something that made him feel good, after the drama that was built around him. and i simply feel happy for him. is that difficult for you to understand? as good as hell of garpy? am i comparing him to anyone? if he was as good online as "hell" or "garpy" noone would know he exists in the first place. not to mention that this is quakelive, not quake3, so it should stop the comparison right there.

you see, not all of us are complicated forum bitches who try to find hidden meanings behind other people's posts. sometimes the post says just what it says, and nothing else.

the only reason why you came to make fun of that topic is because tourist wrote it. that's sad, and points to serious ego issues.

i find it amusing to see someone write down that much of text and doesn't hit at least one thing right.

anyway, as i said earlier, each discussion with you becomes discussion about you, and that bores me.


actually >


http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1982695

after seeing this, i believe everything the guy said about his personal issues. i'm 99,9% sure that is the truth. i've never seen him before, only his threads, but after this interview, i got that impression. i'm not trying to make the guy look bad, its just...how do i say it...there's something about him that makes me believe he really has those problems. nothing to be ashamed about it, could happen to any of us, but 99,9% its the truth.

I've never met you personally, I only read your posts, but from them i get this vague impression, of which I'm 99.9 % sure it's true, that you're a complete tool.

that means so much to me, cause you're a pretty important guy.

I'm glad you went out of your way to reply

well i had to inform you about how i felt

You had to? I thought you didn't care. Unless you weren't being sarcacstic up there, in which case I'm flattered

haven't i told that to a guy called rofl or smthn like that?

"that's probably something that made him feel good, after the drama that was built around him."

yeah that's my point. you were among those to build that drama. and now you try to pretend like you were trying to support him all the time.
Except noone is buying it.

/edit

yes it is interesting that the discussions with you always end up being about me. Except that you are the one who starts to talk about me. Like in the case in the second sentence of your first reply. You always try to attack me personally, with you "I got you all figured out lines".
That you later become bored by what you yourself started makes you look a little confused.

i built the drama?


L M A O

if there were no idiots blindly defending the guy i would probably never write ANYTHING about it.


gj @ ignoring every part of the post which proves you WRONG. you did read them anyway.

you are a specialist when it comes to that i can tell you...

yes, you helped build the drama talked about how it's oh so probable that he cheated and how dumb everyone was not so see it. The reasons you now claim for doing so are irrelevant. Especially since you only do it afterwards, now that he did go to a lan.


Also funny how you always claim you proved me wrong, while everyone except stunt.us seems to disagree with you. You only base your arguments on your guesses. not much substance to discuss.

look closely how you slap yourself. closely!

Also, feeling the need to take intelligence tests often is caused by insecurity ;)

you only base your arguments on your guesses. not much substance to discuss.

both from you. now...look closely* at *who* bases his arguments on a guess. those are just your own quotes. btw people who are insecure sure as hell won't go take that kind of test, you obviously know jack shit about people's psychology. that's one.

yes, you helped build the drama talked about how it's oh so probable that he cheated and how dumb everyone was not so see it.

that's probably related to me saying "guys who do doubt have THIS and THAT argument, what's yours?" - which was left unanswered every time. some drama. this time you actually manage to grasp how i use the term "probable", and not the term "sure". that's a huge step forward for you.

that's two.

now you try to pretend like you were trying to support him all the time.
Except noone is buying it.

except i don't act like i was supporting him and nothing i wrote could possibly lead you to that conclusion. being happy for someone who finally managed to get to lan has nothing to do with him using cheats or not. you actually called me acting "superior" after saying something simple as that. you're delusional.

i pretty much replied to all that's left so there's no need for me to repeat myself.

now feel free to ignore everything that made you look ignorant, and reply to one sentence only, then try to convince yourself that you actually made a point. you know, the "becks" pattern.

for guys like you, being delusional is a pretty good defense mechanism otherwise you might get hurt! oh noes.


there's pretty much nothing left to say here from my point of view, so i'll leave, and you feel free to wrap this one up with one huge text of missed-the-point-while-ignoring-parts-that-make-me-look-ignorant.

i honestly hope that will make you feel better.

(and i don't act "superior" when saying that) ;)

sorry, laughed too much to muster a good reply to this gem :D

I'm happy you felt the need to reply in this forum on a website even though you really didn't need to. I know you really have a busy schedule and you take the time out of your day to grace us with your presence. Thank you very much.

taking the ime to comment on someone wasting his time.
nice one.

so is your spelling.

are you saying time it spelled with a 't'.

Thank you so much, I never knew!!!

congratulations!!

lol don't mind him, he's fucking german, he'd probably be speaking german if we didn't save him back in WWII. BTW [+]

LOL

How can you even argue his opinion? He has an iq of 179 measured by psychology, he's always right by default

156, don't exaggerate

Edit: the term "measured by psychology" is pretty much...pointless?

no u

yeah i wouldn't even talk to him.
he boasts about his intelligence on internet forums. no wonder he's one of the people that go "i am superiour u are inferiour"

but it's so enlightening to make him twist and struggle :)

its nice to talk shit about something you haven't even witnessed. thats a morons trademark.

cause if you did have, you could have seen that it wasn't mentioned before a certain individual who was left with no decent arguments whatsover started insulting me, and i pretty much feel like this fact alone is nothing to be ashamed of. the opposite, actually.

wasn't mentioned to make anyone feel bad though.

You're absolutely right, casualy dropping your iq test scores after a certain individual with no decent arguments whatsover started insulting you is actually something to be proud of. Hell, I do it in youtube comments all the time, and there is no one more proud than me as a result.

why wouldn't i?

IQ tests isn't a very good way to measure intelligence imo, throw him out in the wild and see if he can survive. Then we will see how intelligent he is.

you obviously know a lot about different types of intelligence, including the meaning of the g-factor, and its influence on each and every one of them, as much as it being the base of the test.

I know about the G-spot and if you ever need it hit, don't hesitate to pmsg me.

i can't miss it even if i want to

Edit: afaik our g-spot is somewhere in our ass, so if you wanna hit that you fucking faggot, i'm not interested.

what haven't i witnessed?

and btw. if you are even half as intelligent as you claim to be, you should be ashamed of bragging about some iq test scores on an online forum.

except i didn't brag about it bro and its not "some", its scientific.

I remember when I bragged about my "mensa" iq... back when I was 13 years old and dumb as fuck. Do you get the hint?

don't care tbh

You think psychology is some kind of mentalism, so don't even mention the word 'scientific'. Total spork, that Lethe. Arguing with other total sporks.

psychology is science, and the tests are scientific. if you wanna question the relevance and accuracy of the tests, inform yourself first.

stunt seems awfully jealous. But who can really blame him, being from New Jersey and all.