cypher's rl is sick good, maybe even better than pele's.

Now the real question, is it better than Unkinds? :)

BLASPHEMER!

Of course not =]]]]

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=905383#pid905465

\o/

obv nobody got better rockest than.. that q4 guy.. who couldn't stop talking about how awesome his average rockets were.. ehh...

this honestly lost all its meaning

oh please.

Arktik is bestest.

where did he go ?

http://www.esreality.com/?a=users&user_id=29729

ah, ok

Wtf seriously? I always thought Gillz was a little over the top, but Arktik was in his very own category of stupid.

(Well, that explains why people rage on Gillz so much.)

artik was stupid on purpose, he knew he was stupid and aimed to be

gillz thinks he is smart and doesn't realise how fucking dumb he is

Yes of course he is!!!

copperhead!!!

yeah.. :(

he always met up with his friends on dm17 to practise airrockets

great game on ztn

dro4, (Zadrot, drocher) - formed from "drochit" (Masturbate.) Every progamer, or high skilled player can be named like that (Some abusive), like a man which all time doing only one job. =))

- ps, that word said loosing gamer on pndm9. Some specs on gtv asked for translate that.

wtf

nailed it

You should create wikipedia article about common expressions of russian-speaking players translated to english with examples and nice pictures related.
*irony*

ztn was great game !

After watching a bit of SC it's interesting to me to see how unpolished high level q3 really looks.

yeah i thought the same :) although it is quite unfair to compare the two right now... if we'd have a pk-style world tour or even something like cgs for quake the games would look a lot different after some time.

What do you mean by that? Examples?

The best examples are from the ztn game. If you watch that, you'll notice 2 things. 1) Killmas got back into the game because cypher was too lazy to pick up a rg, so it was available to be picked up and resulted in kilmas converting a frag with 4hp, and then goes on to take full control of the map. 2) Killmas lost the game because he didn't have timing on th emega, giving it back to cypher, basically ending the game.

There were other times where cypher wouldn't pick up ammo/guns/whatever and it ended up putting him in bad positions. This kinda shit wouldn't happen in SC, where details like that are actually looked at and studied, and taken into account during games.

comparing apples to hubcaps is fun !

wish i could plus you more. it's remarkable that such easy to fix flaws still exist in such high level play.

its not comparable games.. :)

the point still stands

actually it doesn't

actually, it does.

It does because it was not rebut by Guard. Of course, Quake 3 and Starcraft are not comparable as games, but what hoens addressed is not about games, it's about the attitude that competitors have towards their game.

"There were other times where cypher wouldn't pick up ammo/guns/whatever and it ended up putting him in bad positions. This kinda shit wouldn't happen in SC, where details like that are actually looked at and studied, and taken into account during games."

Comparing a maraton runner vs a football player is pointless.
so is comparing fps to rts games (or whatever it's called).
the tactics is not comparable.

if you compare unreal tournament to quake 3, now that's another story, or actually the story we're looking for.

fps is about priority os different items and positioning. you dont have a troop you can deploy wherever you want, or hold a position. you can only be at in one place at a given time. ok?

btw, how does xerp function in SC? any good?

I want to build a hydralisk den near the RA, but it's not in the cards now is it ?

edit: btw, cypher is arrogant, don't blame every pro quake3 player just because he wants to impress the crowd.

Can't you read?

I already wrote that the issue discussed is not about games, it's about players' attitudes, and attitude is something that every single gamer has, regardless of what he plays.

You can compare dedication of football players and runners.

I think a lot of that can be explained though one thing:

coaching.


I'm convinced, if the top 10 quakers had a coach who leads their practice everyday, and point out mistakes they made, a lot would change.

However, considering the amount of money that is in quake, it would be even worthwile to be coached by mom :P

A coach doesn't play for you. But, other than that, you're right :)

coaches don't play for sc pros either, and they too make mistakes even if it's rare.

Of course, what I meant was that everyone makes mistakes ;)

I would have to disagree with you slightly here. I think it really comes down to 1 thing, and 1 thing only. It should be fairly obvious what that one thing is, it's what makes the world go round after all.

P.S. in case you haven't guessed it's money. Money -> higher skill -> need for coaching -> coaching. No money -> no need to get appreciably better -> no need for coaching -> no coaching -> the sloppy play witnessed in this game.

I kinda meant to say that with my last sentence ;)

therefore I completely disagree with everything you said and will ever say!

How can you not compare that in one game people make small mistakes and in another they don't?

If there was more money around then you would see a higher level of play. The mistakes would disappear slowly!

I think I have seen vods where pros apparantly forgot to upgrade in time, though.

It just that the mistakes in quake are often much bigger and more obvious to see

Interesting point.

Always enjoyed watching Stelam demos because he was so methodical in his play. One of the few players who would try control weapons as well as items. Two old demos that come to mind are vs python on dm6 and vs blokey on pt4 from an wcg (2001?). On dm6 he controls ra, mh, rl and rg most the game. On pt4 he does an awesome job of denying rg most the game.

that dm6 game was pretty intense too, his play was smart, his movements were almost artificial, but fluid at the same time

Probably overall my favourite player ever.

vs vikings on dm14 at the eurocup he's always prepared to defend the area he is in from multiple opponents by holding the rocket launcher out unless it's obvious he can pull out the RG/LG.

I don't have Q3 installed so I can't tell if this demo is the same game that is being played in my provided link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zpz7ZwOQD4#t=2m33s

This is a game between cypher and killmaster that I was watching when something really strange caught my attention.

Now I know this cypher that we're talking about but in the specific time that I linked to he has the weirdest LG lock I've seen. It happens as he drops from RA down to the rail area to lg killmaster.

Opinions?

shitty encoding

doesn't happen in game

bwahahh and the witch hunt continues

is it the crotchbot again?

1) cypher(pov) -vs- k1llmaster ems4 ztn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zpz7ZwOQD4
2) cypher(pov) -vs- k1llmaster ems4 dm9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDce5OiJFH0

you and your youtube vids, god damn [+] whore :P

any chance i could get your cfg please?

http://pastebin.com/f1a46b074

ztn, 2:35, WTF?

waaaaada cheater.

some problem with the video. @ the demo it's smooth, anything like that.

yei checked the demo, on the vid it looks like serious hacks though...

yeah, totally. it's a shame...

impressive... they did great job.. smart and well played..

gg especially on ztn

Moment of the year on ztn 2:28 or so in the game. You cannot possibly play more skillful and cocky than that.