I wouldn't really call that a sellout.

More like both parts taking their pants down.

Hopefully for the best of QL, I add.

HOW DARE HE WORKING FOR MONEY!!! SELLOUT!!11!

"another popular enhancement from CPMA will be included: the netcode. "

pure win for just this alone.

xerpxerpxerp

It doesn't seem to matter how often this is said, the idea never sticks: xerp is just smoothclients renamed. It's id's.

Quake Are You Ok
So, Quake Are You Ok
Are You Ok Quake
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So, Quake Are You Ok
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Together with laghax it's a fucking joke

this ^

laghax -1?

What about it?

no i mean, xerp with laghax -1? or 1?

asking cause im on -1 and i have no idea what it does :-d

laghax 1 would give you 1ms of prediction, -1 adapts to your ping, then again, laghax adapts to your ping anyway and cuts off at 100 so there's pretty much no difference between cg_laghax -1 and cg_laghax 100.

WHAT THE XERPING XERP?

nah, it's just id's smoothclients!!!

probably no xerp since retards blocked smoothclients in qlive

phewww so i can shaft alike in ql and q3
best news today

this is awsome ffs... edit titel "Arqon will save QL"

QL, good netcode and competitive features ? WIN
They don't want CPM physics because it would attract too many players. The queue is already long enough :p

Btw doesn't this delay PMX development ? :(((

now what would be cool is good ctf maps (and btw throw away once and for all the arena's runes can't-be-balanced-unless-everyone-can-grab-one crap) and prevent playing dm6 in tdm twice in a row

prevent playing dm6 in tdm twice in a row

Yeah it would be great but honestly i prefer playing dm6 than those maps in space with lots of jumppads :/

mm maybe
dunno as I never had the chance to play another map than dm6 in tdm (I got a ql key only since july though)

oohhhhhh, popcorn time :D

finally.

Good.

I didnt play cpma yet. Is the cpma netcode much better than the ql netcode?

The xerp thing in ql would be quite nice

no.

heh ye :p anyone telling you different is just a raged osp fanboy, so lets leave it at that

MUCH better.

here he comes to save the dayyyy... its ARQONMAN!!!!!

Good stuff, since the id tards weren't able/arsed to implement timeouts, etc...

+Hoping for pm skins.

and mvd+gtv $$$$$$$$$

didnt read the article yet, but if this is true, its the best thing that could happen to ql

ever.

I just hope he isn't only a contractor who hasnt a say in anything.

All hail arQon!

OH MY GOD <3

I don't care about him selling out, but please don't ruin QL like he did with Q3 and the physics...

jesus christ you fucking idiot, they changed the same stuff in ql as arqon did in cpma already 1 year ago and you didn't even realise it.

lol.. he didn't ruin Q3... sure CPM is debatable.. but everything he / the CPM team did was nicely done..

specialy the 'comeptitive' features are implemented really nice.. so if he can bring that to QL I think everything is inplace for QL to become a great sucess !

last time i read an interview he said "if the gaming industry can pay me 7-figures like my normal job does i'm willing to do it"
guess the global economic downturn ruined that for him :)

or he's doing the same work as before except he now gets money for it? not like he dropped his 7 figures job in the past to work on cpma/pmx, probably rather dropped cpma/pmx for ql if at all.

Better let him or ix or someone in the know comment on that, but those are my thoughts. I don't think he's dropped anything, besides the fact that work on cpma has always been dictated and restricted by real life commitments as he's mentioned numerous times.

Either way, ideally his main work would consist of migrating already done features over from cpma to ql. They are still based on the same engine

yeah, I'm not pretending to know anything but I'm quite positive that keksi's assumption is plain wrong :p

Well, that's a given :). Anyway, the interview mentioned how he's been working for id a while now and the search for new pmx personnel was quite recent, so things are looking good (or at least not worse) for pmx.

Aren't you impressed by my most awesome deduction skills?


/edit
btw, i was trying to imply that it's me who's not in the know with my last post, just to add some confusion

I haven't really been following the pmx developments much lately, and arQon hasn't been present a lot from what I can tell (the forums) for a while. could just be he's been working on ql, or was busy with other stuff, or just didn't post much about it but was working in the background. I don't know :p

Considering we both know nothing this conversation has been very enlightening.

Second slow work day in a row and I'm already starting to go nuts here.

you called him keksi *giggle*

because the nick of my irc client i'm in all the promode channels with is "KekSi"

sif I wouldn't know that...

How bout not injecting opinion in a headline?

Entered the site just to post this -> A W E S O M E !!!

great, just when a quake game with a semi-decent netcode shows up, in comes arqon with his xerp shit and ruins it.

gg id, I'll never touch ql again.

nice 1 less in queue..

haha

you think QL has semi decent netcode? that bullshit is so fucking hacked you need to be blind to miss

i like it :(

maybe ID will tell us the truth of ql some time... we are playing cpma under the name quakelive the whole time. so fu haters

quakelive netcode is more ridiculous than cpma with xerp could EVER be.

for me xerp is just total crap, whenever I turn it on I get the enemy model warps - completely unplayable. and without it the game feels like 100 ping.
so yea, I'm delighted to have that in ql as well.

man your setup is fucked or something... i dont get any warping with xerpclients and laghax -1

what vedic said

xerp warp (the rare case it happens) is nothing worse than dumb smoothclients and timenudge effects that OSP had, everyone loved those though!!1

the weapons are pretty balanced for the netcode though

xerp != netcode

They're too dumb to realise that the command that ACTUALLY causes any issues is cg_laghax.

They've even been told over and over again.

xerp sounds cooler.
+ laghax has "hacks" in the name which takes away the feeling that you know something more than the "crowd" when you accuse it.

"And it's kind of nice to do that especially in contrast to where we are with our big mainstream projects like Rage and Doom 4 where we really are trying to tear everything up by the roots and redo it all. Doing a polished and evolved job on this is a nice contrast."

teeeeheeee!

Seriously. QL now has netcode which compensates for lag. I can use hitscan like I would in LAN... or in CPMA. But still QL has the wonderful 125 fps physics. This brings me to:

- Wasn't one of the excuses for the """fixed""" cpma physics that the netcode wouldn't work if arqon hadn't do that? QL did it without """fixing""" it, so?
- If the QL netcode right now compensates for lag, what's the use of introducing cpma netcode which does the same, plus, let's be honest, feels hacked and unnatural as hell.
- gogo xerp
- still no full support for cooller's smiley. I want | separated.

One of my favorite Terry Pratchett quotes is

"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind."

I'm pretty sure the same applies to quotation marks.

They're just a function to represent the divergence between the meaning of what they contain and what actually happens. In this case I contained myself to 3 in each side, but don't worry, there should be more.

omg, now I see genderless turtles, invisible universities and crazy mages everywhere again... AFTER YEARS

damn, I really need more time to read all of them...

€: maybe you're nerdy enough to tell me how to get Discworld 2 running on my Windows machine. It just won't start :(

Never played the video games, though i always ment to. My best guess without actually looking into it would be DosBox though.

As for being nerdy...I'm more or less on a constant rotation through all audiobooks :)

I did it with DOSBox and stuff, but didn't really work out.
Anyways, I've only read the first three books, have seen Hogfather and played DW2 on the PSX about 10 years ago

Exclamation mark
Quotation mark

Maybe you meant to reply to yourself at #2.

Normally links like that would make me assume that I've made a mistake, but i can't find one

Bleh, clearly I didnt read the whole post ;)

Still, the comment re #2 applies.

I wonder what Pratchett would say to exclamation marks mixed with 1s and all caps. Probably something like "Not only insane but approaching retardation from the other side"

Still, nice save :)

Muphry's Law.

Good Omens?

"But still QL has the wonderful 125 fps physics."

AFSDGKHKFG

IT DOES NOT.

quakelive has the same fixed physics as cpma, you fucking hypocrite.

It's funny to see how undiscerning the mindless fanboys are when some of the QL things they praise and damn CPMA for are the same. Knowing this has made reading QL posts amusing for a while.

The power of placebo never fails to astonish.

and people wonder why governments never tell anything ...

so ql has also fixed physics but with 125hz instead of 85 ye? whatever it is ql movement is a ton better than cpma.

I've noticed it's a lot more lenient, you can cj with just a 45 degree turn..

ql has a little higher jump height thus the osp placebo effect

if it's higher it's not placebo, is it genius?

considering it's not the exact osp movement it is. you still have to make the precise mouse movement in order to get highest speed unlike osp. But because you stay more in air you get further and the so called osp placebo effect.

....
ok I see I have to spell it out for you: say you're sick, and there's medicine A that can treat your condition. there is also a medicine B that has different mechanism than medicine A but a somewhat similar effect ie.- you get better. so we give you medicine B but tell you it's medicine A. you get better. is medicine B placebo?

and why "osp placebo" anyway?

the fps - dependent physics bug was already in baseq3 wan't it?

People tend to invent names for not calling Q3 Quake 3. VQ3, osp, anything but its name. That way they don't feel like idiots when they bash idsoftware for making the game they love so much and give all the credit to the guys who just did small adjustements on top.

[+]ed for truth

Hehe, I agree with the sentiment, but overall the different names have a purpose.
Quake3 is just that, the game itself while vQ3 is the ruleset and baseq3 the engine without modifications.

It makes sense...if (and i know that's a big if) everybody would be on the same page about what means what., and that might be a bit much to ask from the average esr user ;)

truth

I don't know if it has 125 fps physics, but it hasn't the gay cpma physics, you just have to b2r.

jesus, do you also know that the gap from b2r was made smaller so it becomes easier to pull off?

...................

its just not that, all maps feel kinda scaled oddly compared to quake 3
for some reason, the tunnel's in all maps feel longer, easier to spam rockets. in dm6 landing on the platform overlooking mega and all from the RL top feels lot harder. I have no clue what kind of changes caused that.

what you say about the movement in ql is completely wrong

wait

so he's making it more like what's ALREADY AVAILABLE

you're such fucking stupid sheep.

for me calling people "sheep" is the same as writing: "actually I don't have anything worthwile to say, I just want to try to sound cool and insult people"

Wake up, sheeple!

truth hurts huh?

were me and Yeltsin the only people to actually use CPMA for VQ3 waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before CPL decided to pick it up?

LuGia did as well afaik. And three's a herd

I wasn't actually replying to your point, just the "sheep" part.

Interestingly though, I think the main difference between QL and Q3 is just that: the sheep.
As in people who will try something that is new and free and easy to get, but won't touch am old game.

only because neither of you were competing and he was pinging over from america =)

not because we thought it was a better mod? :<

ba aa aa ah
Hopefully the spiterbot will carry over
bawh baawh

P.S.
Probably won't happen as they're Qrealka's work.

except this time, we are not locked to the shitty 1999 id q3 ruleset that the majority of vq3 muppets hold so sacred

yup

great, now we'll get prediction implemented into projectiles
ie
we can't get a feel for lag once this happens
look in the promode wiki, arqon even admitted this

good, ql rockets feel like shit at 60+ ping

QL at 60 ping feels better to me than CPMA on 15
simply because when the rockets are fired, they're fired at a set designation, not delayed dynamically

exactly, I been tooting about this ever since I fired up q3 for the first time. but noo... prediction.. skill...osp bestest etc.

seriously, it sucks

why do you think we should have a feel for the lag, like, at all?

for projectiles, yes
QL on 30 ping feels better than CPMA on 15
simply because rockets aren't lagged
yes, rockets are lagged on even low pings

in cpma they feel like shit at pretty much any ping. it's a lot better in ql but still bad at 50+.
not sure if it's possible to do unlagged projectiles so it doesn't suck. most likely you'd get "I dodged that rocket but it still killed me" or killed-behind-a-corner thing a lot more but it's worth a try imo.

i suppose it's worth a try, and with the unlagged projectiles i'm sure the hit detection is much better
its just firing them and trying to compensate for lag is pointless

uhh, no you fire them like you would on lan, that's the whole point of unlagged. the problem is on the other guy's side.

how do you draw a rocket on his side when you don't know that it was fired. ie. it takes X ms for the info to travel from you to the server, but then the hit is calculated by your location retroactively as to appear real-time to you. meaning that he won't see your rocket for Xms after you've fired it but he will be killed just the same.

so theoretically if you have a retarded high ping you can kill people with rockets and them not even seeing the rocket if the time to travel the distance for the rocket is < your ping. jameriod

Prediction weapons "feel" is all wrong and inconsistent when you start using cg_laghax but you can't not use it because the command makes hitscan weapons feel more or less perfect, and since vQ3 is such a bullshit hitscan heavy game, good luck not using it.

I haven't played QL enough to judge what it feels like.

isn't laghax a clientside command? if so it's not what I was talking about.

No cg_xerpclients is a clientside command (id softwares cg_smoothclients).

Ehh how is laghax not a client side command? It doesn't affect how YOU appear to others or otherwise influence their view of the game.

I've never really thought whether or not it was to be honest, but yeah, you're right it doesn't affect how others see you.

hence it's not unlagged netcode and your whole point is void.

I never said CPMA was unlagged netcode, nor was I under any belief it was (In fact the total opposite). So no, my point is not void at all.

I was just agreeing with loveless that the feel of PG/RL is totally lost with laghax -1 but you have to use it in CPMA as the hitscan benefit is unreal. Maybe I replied in an odd place but it seemed better to reply at the end of the "conversation".

Actually, I'm pretty sure it does a bit... laghax really is a hack like the name and documentation imply, at higher pings it can lead to some bullshitty moments like making rockets difficult to dodge and being shot around walls etc, (note: I mean for somebody with a low ping playing a high pinger, obviously on high ping you're gonna be shot around walls anyway)

Ok Liam 'cpmombudsman' Murray.

:D

Honestly I'm not 100% but I did have a demo from years ago of me LGing somebody with laghax on and a high ping and my LG was quite far behind them and still hitting... but it doesn't matter anyway, it's not like you don't know if the person you're playing has 100 ping or not, if you don't like it, don't play them... it's there to make EU v NA matches easier as the documentation says :)

The position comes with a quarter-acre of land, one goat and the right to grow a beard.

QL rockets are very lagged when you are like me and have to play with a 70-100 ping.

No way!

i think that would have more to do with packet loss, or just a bad connection in general.

Not according to my netgraph.

D:

agreed, its pretty hard...

100 ping minimum here from turkey to any ql server :/

When you say cpma...do you mean only vq3? cpm and cq3 rockets feel great...

CPMA as in the mod itself
ive played vq3, cpm, and cq3
the rockets all feel lagged

easy fix. bind X "weapon 5; cg_laghax 0"

someone might say that it's "wrong" to mess with laghax but it works really well for me at 60 ping. it gives me that "feel for lag". give it a whirl.


edit: i stopped using it online recently and went back to laghax -1 for all weapons for no particular reason. i noticed that if my lagometer was completely smooth, i was hitting really well with the laghax -1 RL. however, even a slightly fluctuating connection (happens a lot here as our connections are pretty shitty) threw my RL aim off by a lot. laghax 0 for RL seems to make it easier when your connection doesn't feel perfect.

i tried that, and didn't get any pleasurable results
thanks anyways though

fantastic news

for all the hate, arqon was the best thing that happened to quake3

just hope this doesn't hurt pmx's progress

for all the hate, arqon was the best thing that happened to quake3

What the fuck are you talking about? Rhea developed OSP for Q3 when the game was actually popular.

Rhea and arQon shared a lot of work.

I have no idea, was arqon involved with osp in any way from '99-2004?

Yes

ok i stand corrected, arqon is the best thing that ever happened to q3. /vomit

afaik, OSP is even running on an outdated CPMA netcode for instance. the arQon-haters would probably almost stop playing OSP too if only they knew how much of it is influenced or made by arQon. but reading up on things or making up your mind has never been a strength of this community, so whatever.

ok, now where do I read up on it?

on the interwebs, in all those changelogs and credits and documentations and forums

thanks, i'm on it

just need AnythonyJ on board now too, for the dream team :)

and qrealka for better bots and sound fixes =)

lukin and/or swelt and/or pukka for maps

Swelt for TDM maps (y)

ztn for ztn

zrC for zrC

Come on now, I've seen twice posts like this, both with botched spelling ;) (but, agreed!).

If crunchmode keeps going for too much longer in my rl work I might even start to reconsider my decision not to apply to id :/

you NEED to work for id .... gogo!

It's been a good week for e-drama and this won't fail to deliver either I'm sure, but in the best possible way: fucking GO arqon.

I think people are forgetting that ID is in charge of QL, not arQon. We can never experience a 'You now have only a thing LG' move because all ID have to do is say no.

yeah, it's way more likely to never even have more than 1 option in the first place.

:D

good example



no wait, we are already forced to use that stupid nomipped lg, way2go id!

Don't let simple facts like that or all the other cvars ID have locked/removed that have pissed some people off get in the way of him desperately whoring for pluses from OSP fanboys.

why not?

I was whoring for pluses from CPM fanboys, did I not make that clear?

sheesh, gotta try harder than that to get pluses from us, we have _standards_

QL has been like xerp for the last 6 months, except it uses tweaked settings like CQ3 (which play great from my POV).
great step into the right direction imo

Get out of my QuakeLive!

no it's MINE.

i cant wait for the cpma netcode cause right now the game feels really bad...

needs forcemodels and brightskins too but thats another story

ql has had forcemodels and brightskings for months

how to enable them? :)

i just used my q3 cfg and figured if they existed they would be the same as cpma but apparently not

iirc it's cg_forceenemymodels and cg_enemymodel keel/bright or keel/pm

keel/bright or keel/sport - not keel/pm.

ok mr. smartass

you are most unpleasant. go away please.

Dude. DON'T use your cfg from q3. You should not even use it from q3 pr to q3 pr, and this is more than a q3 pr.

too late. no major issues anyways

sup nerds

hope he makes this queue system priority based with ESR users taking priority (Y)

only for users with 5000+ posts though... so ppl better get posting! ha

win \o/

Lets make it even more elitist, 10k+ only.

ooo harsh but good! x

oh dear i shouldnt have looked at the user listing coz i noticed ive just gone over the 19k mark :s

:)

whats better in_mouse 1 or in_mouse -1?

One is directx the other isn't.

whats better directx or no?

Dont remember the details, something like one had a bigger buffer so it could cope with more input data like more dpi/hz, and the other having a smaller buffer that could provide a slight smaller mouse input latency.

In the end just try for yourself. It depends on many things in your system and your personal preference. No silver bullet here.

wtf i want a magic pill!

In theory, the Direct Input codepath is better than the win32 mouse input, since according to MS it should be less system dependent for accelleration / screen resolution etc.

However, many players seem to prefer -1 for some reason. Possibly just because they're used to it and have always played that way.

With mouse input I wouldn't be surprised if any change is "bad", even if its as a result of improving things, which is why people prefer the thing they've always used.

they used it before id put the dx one in patch 1.28ish ?

Yep, thats right. The win32 way is the "old" way which has been used dating back to Q1 days which I suspect predates DirectInput having support for mice (it was initially just for joysticks).

he's taking money for the fucking work he does? what a FUCKING tool. isn't the total appreciation and love from the community enough for him?

swoosh?

hey you, what's up?

swoosh?

Good stuff! Really really good stuffs :D

I know I am a bit late, but have to say that:
This fucker is like cancer. Every MOD he touches, he leaves behind a rotting and moaning community behind.
Fortunatly I got not sucked into that QL shit to begin with.
I would not be surprised, when he had his share in the sellout of id-software to ZeniMax Media and the following fade out.
At least it was a bad sign and a symptom, to come into contact with that creep.
Please kill yourself.

He'd left long before ZeniMax got involved.

it's not really his fault that he implemented unlagged... ID asked it, I told them not to, they didn't listen.
Fault imo lies with ID not with arQon.

without unlagged netcode, this game wouldn't be even half as good.

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do you have any sane argument for that?

isn't it obvious?
have you played OSP?

yes the netcode in OSP was much much better.

haha, ok...

hey at least the server was consistent. I have no problem adapting according to my own ping.
I can't adapt to my opponents connection (as I had to do in QL to even come remotely close to winning tournaments).

adapting isn't fun at all :c

adapting to inconsistency/asynchronisity is yes.
If you're able to do things online whine are factually impossible on lan then yes it's hard to adjust.

yes, if you had 30 or less ping then it was much better. but if you had 50 ping fighting against someone with 30 or less it was pretty much like you had 100 or 1000 ping. thanks id for not listening to weird, ql could've been as shit as q3 if you did.

you don't even have a clue what kind of a solution I would propose.
There are other ways then vq3 or unlagged to deal with the issue.

Quake: The Board Game :D

Although the current netcode would definitely be able to hold up good enough for a boardgame, no. My preference would be to change the netcode such that the server state is always consistent with the game.
Which would mean that players get a choice to either let their pc extrapolate stuff for them (which can be done much smarter) or let players predict stuff themselves, or let them pick a combination of the 2 (where it is partially extrapolated by the pc, which would be needed for high pings (aka ping > 60 with a very slow dropoff))

D3 extrapolates such that the client is showing what the server is seeing. Q4 broke the extrapolation of player positions such that they were somewhere in between to try and smooth out prediction errors (but just resulted in unpredictable positions) although that was made configurable in q4max with cl_unsmoothclients.

So you want to return to q4 netcode? ;)

The q4 netcode felt broken. D3 was kinda slowish on the whole (although it did play pretty good online tbh but all slow games feel better online than fast games).

I'd say use an extrapolation factor which percentually depends on the players ping and have a max_extrapolation based on ms and loose the unlagged crap.
So if a player has ping X he can use 'extrapolation 1' (where 1 = 100%) to extrapolate ppl X ms (which makes them warpy but if you hit on your screen chances are very high that you'll hit on the server).
When on extrapolation 0.5 you'd get the D3 extrapolation (if I understand you correctly),
When on extrapolation 0 you'd be on OSP.

The 'max_extrapolation' then can be used as a cutoff prediction if you think that it warps too much when playing on high pings with extrapolation 1 on.

Now ofcourse the 'max_extrapolation' would give similar problems as QL has when you exceed the unlagged factor (things begin to feel a bit random). So I would suggest to also allow for something that accurately predicts where your lg will land in this case. (Aka cg_truelightning based on a calculation using the current ping and cutoff value of prediction)

There are other valid options as well, but imo anything that leads to inconsistent server behaviour should be regarded as shit.

For instance the way where you actually do use unlagged but then also predict hitbeeps locally would be much much more sane than what is happening in QL. But it creates incosistent server states and thus is shit. (It's significantly better smelling shit than what's currently in QL but it's shit none the less)

hmmmm my choice of words is kinda crappy again at times...
Anyway function would look similar to:

tmpInt = userDefinedExtrapolationValue * ping;

if ( tmpInt > userDefinedMaxCutoff)
cl_TimeNudge = - userDefinedMaxCutoff;
else
cl_timeNudge = - tmpInt;

And then have the a fluid way of extrapolation which is currently done pretty decent in QL. (So not the one which was in vq3 in the early days, which lacked any ways of extrapolation).

Ofcourse you do wanna make sure that players don't warp too largely when you're on a reasonable ping (say 50) and it's not really testable to see how badly it will warp atm.

If it does warp too significantly then you can half the multiplication (aka do D3 stuff at max) and then on the server side enable anti-lag for half of the guy's ping rather than the entire ping.
But that should be seen in testing, and I would assume that this is not needed in this day and age.

Btw I think that with pings > 80 you should accept a certain "loss in quality" in the game. So up till ping 80 it should be well playable.


A side note btw is that I also would like (if anyone ever made another good FPS) to have delays in weapon fire for the rail and possible other instant hit weapons.
This would allow for much better ways of synchronising the clients with the server.

based on q4, I would say that there is too much warp at high pings. We tested transatlantic games and they were ok, but players did warp a lot if dodging. An auto-shoot bot firing when players were under the x hair were still pretty effective though.

Anti lag for part of it and extrapolation for the rest might be a reasonable compromise.

RG isn't the only thing that is an issue - weapons like the HB suffered badly at high ping because a projectile can travel a long way before it magically appears, and there isn't much you can do about it. Q4 doesn't attempt to predict spawning of local projectiles (which would be possible but not for remote), which makes it a big issue to even shoot with HB, but for remote players you simply cannot predict it.

I do see your point about allowing it to be user configurable - could work. Q4 does actually have a max prediction setting, but you cannot scale it ATM.

in q3/ql the projectiles (atm) are not altered either by antilag.
the "projectile nudge" in ql works/worked the other way around. It draws incomming fire as if it appears in midair. It doesn't alter your own shots.

Actually you can't really antilag the rockets as then you'll never be able to consistently make rocketjumps. (Well you might, but it would be very asynchronized and pretty difficult to do similar on different pings)


But anyway the problem I have with this netcode is that the server itself is too inconsistent. So you end up with the same situation online being favorable for an attacking LG player while the exact same situation on lan favors the defensive <whatever> player.
So the actual physical game world as I am tempted to call it is different depending on the pings of the players.

Also the idea that small lags are corrected is horribly stupid. (so if your ping jumps between 8 and 50 all the time you won't notice this at all in regular play but your opponent will see you move at very few fps (as packets are not well synchronised with the snapshots, so some snapshots will get 0 new packets from the client while others may end up with 5 packets which then all get antilagged differently :s).

indeed, what you said is spot on...

lol what a nonsensical post.

Like so many people hated cpma, right.

he ruined q4 too

lol q4 was fkd from the start - at least he attempted to repair the bs they released.

I hated q4, but at least he pushed it in the right direction

Guys a fuckin useless nazi.

STFU, idiot

Raged

like a pole playing 1.27v

Why his face looks like a horse's?

You are full of shit.

VQ3 OSP tdm days was the best of Quake III period


CPMA was when Quake III started missing chromosomes

I agree, at least for CTF (never played TDM or 1v1 in Q3). Even now, if you go back to q3 and play osp ctf, it feels more solid which makes the gameplay more fun. The only thing about q3 that is behind is the netcode and some of the physics bugs.

But I have a feeling the netcode improvements and the way Quakelive feels is connected in some way.

"missing chromosomes" HHHAHAHAhAHAHA!!!!

What exactly does the "netcode", i never understood that.

didn't know why i kept getting replies in my inbox from this thread, then i checked the OP. facepalm!

Is arqon dead yet?