lake of tears

So all CPM players are noobs?



















arqon sucks shit.

OSP 4 LYFE

All fox demos were $$
We need more CPM tourneys now :D

from now on it's officially called CHALLENGED MODE.

:DDDDDDDDDDD

Ok that was funny:)

ru8school betcheez

as a dyed-in-the-wool cpmer, i find this result very embarrassing. i mean, that a second rate vq3 dueller like magnus olsson would, with a token amount of practise, make cpm his bitch. third rate vq3er walter outlaw did the same thing last week or so. on top of that, sander "cpm allah" kaasjager, whom i was expecting to win at least one of the recent vq3 tournaments, could not manage a single top 3 finish. his games versus that godless slav, anton "|]" singov, were especially infuriating. it's no fun watching your cpm hero get ass drilled at every turn by an out-of-shape ex-champ who, in all probability, has never experienced the joys of cpm.

anyway, fox has ruined this muslim's christmas.

It's good but the scene died before you could get a reaction.

Even with a dead scene, I couldn't even get through half of game 2 or game 3 before I just had to stop watching lest I become stupider.

These games were just awful.

Perhaps, although fox would soon beat what you label as good play too.

I highly doubt that. I think even koddy could have beaten what I saw there.

'Even' koddy? Who is the mystical super upper mega tier of other players you're referring to? fox would beat dziku and koddy.

walter

I doubt he'd win at LAN if he turned up due to nerves.

walter can not be stopped.

Lol. i was just raging Koddy. When I played him and beat him he got all pissed off saying that he just needed to play more, it was funny. No need to get all uppity about it.

And I don't think that fox that I saw (the like 10 mins total if that) would beat dziku. Dziku is fucking sick man!

But seriously, vampire would beat him even now after not playing for forever. I'd bet money on that shit.

Perhaps for a while but fox would figure him out. Disagreeing with you is not being 'all uppity'.

So your argument is that if fox practiced to become a good cpm dueler, he'd be a good cpm dueler? Cause that's what it seems like.

I'm not saying that fox doesn't have the ability to be good at cpm, that's just silly. My only point is that NOW, RIGHT NOW, fox isn't as good as most of the top cpm players I've seen/played against.

isn't pod1a top class cpm player? he was like 3rd in that tourney only to be bettered by vo0 and hal iirc.

was

He also didn't play for a while before the tourney, so Maj is correct. Nothing away from pod1, as he's a class player/guy. I would like to see both of them play in form.

let's have it the other way around. do you think pod1 or hal could beat fox at vq3, with any amount of training?

If fox stopped playing quake3 for like 4 weeks, and then came back, sure. Didn't you see the results where fox got raped at that vq3 lan? Greece was it?

raped at a VQ3 lan? by a cpmer?

iirc Voo played well at masters, and he didn't even play that much.

raped at a VQ3 lan? never happened this year, not even in the three mappers. lulz

not much of a chance, even if they had 3 months of practice and fox took one out.

I'll use Vo0 as an example a top CPM player (you'll probably dispute this in someway) who did pretty well in VQ3. Ask him how much effort he put into VQ3, you might like to believe it wasn't all that much but it was a lot of playtime (probably comparable to what fox has put into CPM) and he wasn't exactly unfamiliar with VQ3 at all as he could hold his own as it were. anyway:

he had three notable map wins (not games) that spring to mind:

vs Jibo who is the most inconsistent player ever
vs Nike who was playing absolute wank compared to what he could pull off in Russia and online
vs Spartie on hub

he got rolled by an out of shape cooller who is way past it let alone a top player like fox in a game where it was all on the line

not to knock Vo0 at all, he did stupid well and has crazy talent but just an example to show how deluded you are if you think a top CPM player could do what fox did but the other way round if fox didn't play for a month. That said I don't think many other VQ3 players could do what fox did either.

wait I was wrong, he didn't take a map from Jibo but it was stupid close and he deserved it but was a tad unlucky

You're deluded if you think the skill of the CPM players there was on par with the skill of the VQ3 players at either of those two tournaments. Then again you're probably just trolling, so I doubt you'll try to make sense.

VQ3 isn't my game :(

I know ;p

just pointing out how deluded this heons person is, well he is a fat bucket muncher so you know....

as for fox getting raped, what planet you living on? He won every game in Paris apart from the finals vs Cypher (probably dropped a map here or there, certainly wasn't to a CPM player and there were no rape games) won every match in Athens (stupid system meant he couldn't go through either way) and every map he dropped at gamegune wasn't a rape game.......

so you're either trolling and or really fucking deluded with no clue at all

He didn't win every map in Athens, he lost to Spartie.

I said match, not maps.

Ok... he lost his match versus spartie.

weird, read that wrong then when I looked it up

ah well everything still stands and you're wrong with no clue either way

I have no clue?

1) The level of competition at this tourney was no where near the level of competition vo0 faced at ESWC. Do you agree with this statement?

2) Vo0 never got really raped HARD by the players he was playing against. Do you agree with this statement?

3) Fox played versus out of shape CPM players and won, do you agree with this statement?

4) If I played versus blue after him not playing for ages, I could probably beat him if I played for 3 weeks straight. Do you agree with this statement.

In conclusion, this tournament means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, because the CPM players who played barely played before the tournament, the level of skill was, tbh, not that high, and fox is actually a decent player.


Oh btw if you want a CPM player who was really good at VQ3 (I hope this doesn't make you look like a retard), see elpa. Now fuck off you twit.

and was he raped by spartie, cause I seem to remember differently...

+ spartie isnt a cpm player ;)

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1639242

explain this please

he even improved his game greatly inbetween this match and dreamhack. he fails every single dj to ra and still beats HAL on his home map

Because hal is an aim whore, and fox can keep up? I'm really confused as to the relevance of this.

uhh yea, so far the only cpm player fox hasn't owned is vo0. but I guess he's an aimwhore too so it's all good.

As if you watched the whole demo ?

ofc not

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1644937

i'm not sure if you're trolling here but there are a few parameters you are forgetting here


1) this is a tournament with people spectating your neck, a lot of pressure. i doubt anyone can handle that. that's most likely partly why fox won here.. also there is the sound arround you and not being at your table at home with your comfortable chair etc.

2) you remember other cpm "heroes" from the days better than they actually are. this was the case with team y in that tdm cup where they got mashed in their faces even tho the practised for weeks. people are often glorified in others memories.

3) this was played on TFTs. your "judging" is from people playing at CRTs at home i guess.

i agree with you that we are missing some of the good duellers in the scene. Personally i'd love to see some swedish mad aimers there to make a run for it. as usual in the CPM scene though, no one is bothered or is too young (sadly).

eh? You act as if I've never actually played this game before. I've played against the best americans on low ping, and the best euros on low ping. I think I have a fairly good idea of the skill level of both groups of people.

1) There are cpm players who have performed well on lan: rat, snap, vo0, gelleh, toxter (in qlan2), etc. It is true that the only players here who has been to a lan (afaik) are toxter and fox, and that probably had something to do with it.

2) See my initial point... I've actually played against all of thees people, not just watched them. So your point seems odd. As for your team y point, 2 weeks of practice doesn't make up for 2 years of not playing. That's just silly. Fox obviously had the most experience and play time going into the tournament, and that's a huge reason why he won. But you can't honestly tell me that if snappy showed up he wouldn't have had a great chance at winning. [edit] Not to throw anyone under the bus, but there are also great great duelers who have come back after ages of not playing and only been pretty good as opposed to their previous untouchable nature[\edit]

3) Just a repeat of 1.

Again, I'm not sure why people are surprised that Fox won this. He had the most experience and probably among the most playtime of any player there. That's who wins tournaments. My only point is that the cpm representatives, not to take anything away from pod1/toxter/lugia, weren't as strong as they could have been.

i think we agree on a few things..

- there could be better cpm players there
- people didnt perform on top level because of tourney, tfts etc. it might have gone differently if everyone had played from home. not to take anything away from fox but i think hes more used to the tournament enviroment.

yes? now cybar plx

Slip out of those pants baby, yeah.

Oh yeah, aight. Aight, I put on my robe and wizard hat.

you cant really compare koddys games from when he is playing home on crt to fox when he is playing in a noisy environment, on an lcd-monitor he is not used to, etc etc. im sure fox plays twice as good from home

LAFF

walter cannot be stopped, don't you know? expect at least one world title from him in the next few months.

And happy kwanza to strenx, whose utmost deep understanding of vq3 made him the second best player in the world.

though to be fair, it's near impossible for any 'top' cpm player to even be active nowadays, especially someone like pod1. he appeared quite rusty to me at least!

I tried to watch the 2nd and third games, but holy shit they were awful. The skill level showed there was just.... bad. There's really nothing more to say than that.

rat needs to come back!!!!!

since when did muslims celebrate xmas? OH NOES ANOTHER GOD THREAD!

fox dude: amazing play!

may the force be with you...

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I doubt it has anything to do with that. it's all about practice, as far as I'm concerned. to say these "weren't CPM's best" or "they were out of practice" and on and on is

pointless. fox is now CPM's best; when else have there been any LANs with this caliber of CPM players recently? whatever, though.. I don't care that much.

but what I do know is that the reason no one else from VQ3 showed up is simply because they haven't played CPM much. if they had, they could be just as competitive,

because it's all about practice. to say there's some innate qualities about fox or anyone else that allows them to win is silly. if, say, av3k, had entered the CPM tourney, he

would not have done very well. that's not because his "overall quake skill" isn't good, but because I don't think he's played very much CPM (I may be wrong; sorry if I am).

whether or not CPM has a higher "skill level" or not is irrelevant, because you still have to have some basic level of knowledge, and many of the VQ3 players don't, because

they spend all their time playing VQ3.

what I do think this demonstrates is that the level of competition in CPM in general can't be very high. to call these players hobbyists may be a stretch, though, because

they're the ONLY thing we have to compare against, and, so far, fox beats them or at least competes very well. and fox has played the maps much less overall, though he

may have practiced more in a shorter timeframe, which may be the important thing in becoming good at a game.

what I don't think this demonstrates is that the fact that the level of competition is low necessarily says anything about the game itself or the kind of people who're attracted to

the game. I'm not sure it's possible to draw any reasonable conclusions about such a thing. but currently I'd say it's obvious that the "skill" of VQ3 players is higher, because

more people play it on a professional level. (I don't care why that is; I wasn't concerning myself with that)

Fox did a similar thing last year by giving the very best qw'rs a run for their money in their own game for the short time he played competitively, the guy is exceptionally adaptable and naturally talented imo even amongst the q3 pros.

Would the average online vq3 champ dominate the game as much as fox has manged to after a month or so prac? no I don't think so.

I think fox is the man to beat in cpm now, not because the field was particularly strong (You would have expected voo/joanathon/walter etc. to beat pod1/toxter without problems also). but in the manner he won dominating everyone he played. I think even voo would have a hard time beating him now.

Here's hoping for a big cpm money lan tourney next year with fox, voo, the top americans, a few more of the top vq3'rs making the transition and most importantly a rat comeback :)

God's on it, right after he's finished with world peace :)

walter to beat them? based on what exactly? not that he wouldn't, but I mean... walter is fairly new to CPM compared to them, and we haven't seen him like we've seen fox, in a big tournament with pretty good players. we've just seen him online versus a few pretty good NA players.

that tourney was bad in the aspect that fox did not face any good players on cpm3a, the staple of cpm and a very good map, I play vq3 myself but really like the dynamics of cpm3a.

wow all of cpm is based one map? Daaaamn doesn't say much for cpmers than. Pretty shitty to only play one map all day. I guess I would play one map all day so if there ever was a lan I'd go to I can make an excuses about why I loss. It wasn't because my skill level of years and years playing one mode wasn't high enough, but because I'm retarded enough to only play one map.

yeah its not like they removed fox's best map. oh wait they did

"by giving the very best qw'rs a run for their money in their own game for the short time he played competitively"

Goes to rewatch the Fojji - Kovaak demos

http://www.challenge-tv.com/index.php?mode=de...demo=34131

http://www.challenge-tv.com/index.php?mode=de...demo=34131

thanks for the link. fun match. i still prefer watching the fojji-kovaak aerowalk match, but only because I don't really like dm4

if cpm didn't have its own mechanics it wouldn't have taken 8 years to for a vq3er to win a tourney with 4 rusty cpm players

and i can give you a list of how many have tried, including big names like zero4, daler, cha0ticz etc

zero4 even won a (big?) cpm-tourney where he managed to beat apheleon in the final if i remember correctly.

No.

ah that makes sense ..... not.

well he got 3rd and was playing (1:2) against rat, who advanced to the grand final and had to play against daler.

Oh you mean 40 ping vs 120 ping? Good idea to compare skill there. Not to mention the fact that score with rat rarely meant anything.

Forgot to mention the z4 rage vs gelleh where he said he was going to "practice this shit so hard" to beat him, and then lost again in lb. Please shut up you have no idea what you're talking about.

100 vs 120

what a difference.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=255800

lan game where matr0x beats zero4 50+ to negative score on cpm3 :)

thanks gb. Silly germs :D

amazing how CPM players laugh at those who hail PM1 yet are quick to link to that demo

Find a game of a vq3 player doing well in cpm... It might have something to do with the fact that they stopped playing once they couldn't rail whore.

What a retarded comment, seriously.

my comment has nothing to do with CPM players being better than VQ3 players I think your love of CPM ego is being trod on or something. I seriously couldn't give a fuck, and in general you'll find they do very well in CPM for one simple reason. Skill will be where the money and competition is. Just before you mash something into that keyboard you stupid fuck just make sure you read what I actually just typed.

and nice rail whore comment considering matrox dropped off the map after he lost the precious fast switch didn't he? I could be wrong though.

Tbh I have no idea what you're talking about. Your ability to communicate with the English language is severely lacking. Please edit your post for readability and I will respond.

i think that people use the english language to communicate, rather than communicate with the english language itself...

now lets see if u understood what i was actually trying to say.

nice cop out

I had no trouble to read that just now after 4 hours of sleep and a slight hangover. And I'm not even a native speaker.

Kinda makes me question your reading skills.

The first sentence of his post is incomprehensible. Explain it to me if you think you know what he means, cause he obviously won't.

germans whining about native english speaker's insignificant typos always puts a little smile on my face.

Why is it so hard to explain what:

"my comment has nothing to do with CPM players being better than VQ3 players I think your love of CPM ego is being trod on or something."

that means? Oh right, because you fucking can't because it makes no sense.

means your cpm ego is feeling threatened by all the comments in this thread as in disabling you to understand the point of his post.

that will be 5 euro for the translation sir.

Thanks.

That's not really what's happening, but if it makes you feel good you can say that. Nobody has actually brought a point up that's worth mentioning tbh.

so fox beating HAL has no merit in a discussion of wether fox is good at cpm or not?

correct.

excellent trolling effort m8
you had me all the way up until this comment

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now if fox had beaten hoens that would be an entirely different matter!

obviously for fox to prove himself he needs to travel back in time and beat rat in his prime.

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must have been that lan tournament when walter dominated the vq3 tournament

lulz

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hey!
you back in brazil?

end of the world
gg :D

this poll need upgrade

ps: only one from list present @ DH2008

Fox = callsign?????



http://spawnluck.com/articles/minicomp2_review.php

really impresive fox!

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but one more thing, fox IS NOT CHEATING LIKE WALTER)))

oh hai waiter, one espresso please

i can bring only some ogc stuff)))
or in chech lang word espresso means aimbot??))

i wonder when the last cpm lan was

fox is a really smart guy, i doubt he would have any problems going "pro" in any FPS.

the basic elements are still the same, you just need to make adjustments.

I think fox is a pretty cool guy. eh owns people at cpm and doesn't afraid of anything.

that so funny. now 90 % of the cpm`er say fox just won because no good cpm players were present. so what? why didnt your precious little vo0 turn up, he was with his gf in america instead of playin the tourney (playmorecpm*vo0 i lold), but he has the money to go there. and fox beat anyone present considering before the tournament everyone said pod1 will be first with toxter and lugia placing before fox.
and also dont forget that fox had to make the transition from vq3 to cpm troughout the whole tournament.

atleast you still feal like the superior scene, gz for that.

"considering before the tournament everyone said pod1 will be first with toxter and lugia placing before fox."

i don't know anyone who claimed this, or even would, so crawl back under your nazi-rock fanboy

don't get why all the nerds get such a hardon really :<

i`ll give you nazi rock you negro scum....like every german is a nazi shut the fuck up and go back trollin the cpm scene!

touchy.

su nazi

woah you got troll'd!

raged

welcome to esr! :F

FOX IS THE BEST

AROUND

AND NOTHINS GONNA EVER KEEP HIM DOWN