Well, just because id makes it sound difficult, it doesn't mean it is. After all, Quake 4 and ET:QW both didn't even sell a million copies - whereas UT3 sold over 1.2 million. Sure, the players in UT3 didn't stick, but that's arguably because a lot of UT2k4 players didn't migrate over, and that the game was primarily focused on the graphics.

I think there is still a demand for the genre, but there has been a gross short of supply. Warsow could really take off if they'd just get rid of the stupid ammo system.

Oh, Warsow isn't proper example of casual-friendly OFPS, imho.
Concerning UT3, I doubt it would get over even half a million if no consoles had been choosen for publishing. Well, brand new engine have done its part too, of course ^^

That's so pathetic...

Warsow has potential, at least.

Quake 4 and ET:QW were also on consoles. =/

yeah brilliant, as soon as the ammo system changes hordes of noobs will flock over in a weeks time.

No, but that's one of the biggest problems with the game. Anyone who makes it anywhere gets bored when high level play is so boring.

but Warsow is just a mod!!
leave Warsow alone!!

So is CPMA, and I support it.

You're bad at real conversation AND trolling.

so you still think Warsow is a mod? :D
you just can't resist bumping into the same wall over and over

It's quite possible that you may understand this some day.

your condition? i don't care tho

Possible, yes, but not by id. Not with Tim Willits and Todd there. They need some real artists to work for the title, not marketing psychos. Not xbox wanna be retarded programmers.

Most gamers don’t give a crap about the quality or skill level of the deathmatch experience but instead choose the OFPS games they play based on the single player component. Almost all of the successful online first person shooters have been the multiplayer component of a single player game. Look at successful OFPS like Doom, Quake, Counterstrike, Halo, COD4 – all have been the multiplayer mode from a successful single player FPS. This is precisely why Quake Live is dead – it’s multiplayer only and without the hype and marketing from a single player game nobody cares about the game.

The only way to make a successful multiplayer game is for it to ship along with a high budget, well marketed single player game. id could make Doom 4 multiplayer successful but knowing id the Doom 4 multiplayer component will be half arse and heavily dumbed down just like Doom 3.

The only hope is seVerity, and while I have high hopes for the game I can’t see it being a commercial success. The original plan for seVerity was a good one that could have been financially lucrative and could have saved CPL. The CPL made some big mistakes (not setting up online leagues, losing the faith of players by not paying prize money) but what ultimately killed them was that there wasn’t a deathmatch game to play due to id not shipping a deathmatch game for a full decade. Most gamers had lost interest in Q3 and nobody outside the Q3 community pays any attention to Q3 tournaments. The CPL were forced to switch to another game to generate more interest but without a decent game to switch to they had to use inappropriate games like FEAR to get sponsorship for the tournaments and this ultimately caused the organisation to fail.

The CPL were entirely reliant on id Software for their tournament games but seVerity would have given the CPL independence from id Software and allowed them to ensure that there was always an OFPS to use in their tournaments. The CPL were very good at generating hype in the mainstream media (MSNBC filming at Frag 2, cover of Time Magazine, widespread coverage of Frag 3 in the mainstream media etc) and this hype would have lead to good sales for seVerity. I think that seVerity will be a good game but sadly without the CPL I can’t see it brining in a lot of players or being a commercial success (thought I’d like to be proven wrong).

With no company working on a single player FPS with a high skill deathmatch mode and no tournament organisation in existence that could really hype a new OFPS in the way the CPL could I think we’re pretty much screwed. There’s little chance of returning to the glory days of Red Annihilation or Frag 3.

OFPS games could be revived if someone like Richard Branson funded a game and set up a tournament organisation which was widely promoted in the media. Sadly, there’s no chance of that happening, I’m just saying that it could be done if you had the cash. EA could also do it but EA and risk are two words that never occur in the same sentence.

Right, I think I’ll go and install Quakeworld since there’s bugger all else to play.

counterstrike?

Er, probably not the best example since it's now a stand alone game but it did start off as a mod for the multiplayer component of Half Life. The success of Counterstrike goes back to it being the multiplayer component of a single player game and if it had originally shipped as a stand alone game I doubt it would have had anything like the success it has now.

The same goes for Team Fortress which started as a mod for Quake and later a mod for Half Life. It's success came from these two very successful single player games. If it had been released as a stand alone game it probably would have disappeared into obscurity, but the fact that everyone already had Quake and Half Life was the cause of its initial success.

You could say the same thing about Quake 3 and it's only the Quake name and the id Software engine that that sold it. If it wasn't for the Quake name and the then revolutionary graphics Quake 3 would have been largely ignored in the same way seVerity is likely to be. Even Unreal Tournament used the success of Unreal.

Pretty much every successful OFPS is in some way associated with a single player game (the one exception being Battlefield) and I think the best hope of a revival of the OFPS scene would be a decent Doom 4 multiplayer. Sadly with the likes of Todd HollensheadUpHisOwnAss at id the best we can hope for from Doom 4 multiplayer is a T-Shirt throwing simulator.

You could say the same thing about Quake 3 and it's only the Quake name and the id Software engine that that sold it. If it wasn't for the Quake name and the then revolutionary graphics Quake 3 would have been largely ignored in the same way seVerity is likely to be. Even Unreal Tournament used the success of Unreal.

Doom 3, as well. I think everyone was expecting a Doom 2.5, and we got Chrono Cross.

I think the best hope of a revival of the OFPS scene would be a decent Doom 4 multiplayer.

Which wouldn't even be all that difficult if they just made it like Doom 2 - extremely fast paced with overpowered weapons. Doom 2 is still quite popular, and diagonal strafing for speed can even be done on a gamepad, unlike strafe jumping.

OFPS means what?

It means your frame rate is very low :)

Seriously, I didn't know myself and I'm assuming it means Online First Person Shooter.