this live was so good, the smirk on cooller's face after the game said it all

cooller, pro-q3dm6 master!

qlr > z4 alltimes!

nope ;)

remember qcon2k4

one map, and aero... Cooller not chance

as if z4 was the king of aero lol

Yeah, maybe, but they are both legends, both q3 icons, with so many major, I mean HUGE, achivements.

ZeRo4 (major):
1st Qcon 2000
1st CPL Babbges
1st Qcon 2001
1st WCG 2001
1st Qcon 2003
2nd Qcon 2004
2nd BattleTop Universal Challenge

Cooller:
1st QLAN
1st ESWC 2003
1st Cyber X-Games
1st ESWC 2005
3rd Qcon 2004

I mean, wow, look at this achievements! If you would ask me, who has done more in q3, I would say fairly - ZeRo4. He won almost everything that there was to win (back then). Just imagine, if he would be able to reach for an ESWC title. He would be named and remembered as "BoXeR of Quake3", wouldn't he? Nevertheless, it is fair to say, that Cooller was better, as a skill-wise player, though. Well for me, they were (are) both genious, but I will always put Z4 higher than Cooller considering Q3 history :P

very true :)

consider to history urugvay plays soccer at least twice better than england

either i missed the irony of your post or you missed the entire point of his.

He has a point and I agree with it, see my original reply below

It seems obvious to me now as well, I do wonder what I was thinking back then. Most likely I was just on another random hating spree.

^^

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Many of those aren't major achievements; minor. Should I pase whole ZeRo4's winnig list? :)

you could, but it wouldnt impress me

you're russian.

Don't under-estimate a lot of those "minor" victories to be honest.

yes pls, i have never seen it :)

Do you realise that Z4's achievements date back to when cooller was underage to go out and beat him? As soon as Cooller went out, he took it all and never looked back.

in q3 cooller is the man!

Both are

cyberxgames never finished. its sad to mention it as a win, but you have to in lack of other majors.

Hilarious comparison, but hey - its easy.

Z4 owned everything since 2000, beating everyone while Cooller was like 5th player in Russia who couldnt come close to Polosatiy Pele and the others. He won 2x majors as Cooller (no, russian asus quickcups are not the same as qcon, wcg, cpl), still was top3 or even top2 when Cooller was at his best, which is like a period of 5 years (2000 - 2004qcon grand final).

So even if they won the same amount of tournaments, which they clearly didnt, on one side you have ZeRo4 dominating and no Cooller.
On the other side, years after, you have Cooller in his prime narrowly winning games vs ZeRo4 in the finals with like 1 frag differences 2 times on ztn (which is his best map), 1 overtime in dm6, and one (ONE) convincing win on dm6 in first eswc. Oh yeah, 10:8 win on t2 wcg where he had a luck totem up his ass and got a spawnkill whereever he sent his rocket.

So....kinda....no. If he wins this ESWC, and Gamegune, then we can talk about comparisons.

Look at date of that post man.

hmm - in others games morfez lose to chaoticz on ffdm2 and evil was devastated by czm on hubaero... USA def RUS 2-1 but yea Cooller played greatly...

ffdm2 & hubaero

alltimes lucky anyone?

Big girls don't cry.
It's okay when opponents have better condition and even if they become second they can take _second_ gold medals

14:15 is pure brilliance

Cooller's dodging is such a joy to observe, he outsmarts ZeRo4 so many times at the RA even when z4 has the height advantage.

14:15 ... damn!

Cooller ET ftw

Goddamn. This was a good game.

Cooller is a freaking monster (probably best ever) on dm6, and yet this game was incredibly close.

I hope to see a nations duel tournament again, both for the new maps it brought (well, aerowalk pretty much) and for the awesome games (like z4muz vs. czm on ztn).

Something about the format made ESWC2K4 pretty damn awesome.

14:15 is luck,madness or skill at its very best !!! ??? maybe I am a total noob and have no right to comment on games like these but I dont understand why zero4 tries to take cooller down with plasma at mega when score is 6:4 when he knows cooller is stacked and he is not.

very nice comeback.
coollers timing is just insane..

great game

dodging (c) Cooller

is there a demo with zero4's viewpoint?

Very unlikely, if only in z4's own collection ot cooller's. Four years on, it would have surely popped up somewhere on the internet... The fact that it didn't, probably means it doesn't exist. Or anyone can prove me wrong?

Yes, 14:14 makes for the best rail ever, before or after. To think, it was the second rail shot in the game, with Cooller only scraping to get the rail half a minute before.

Madness, luck and skill at their best, true.