ESR - tweaking tornado - Quake Live Forum

<< Comment #1 @ 18:36 CDT, 13 July 2011 >>

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palatka

grim tornados

<< Comment #2 @ 18:41 CDT, 13 July 2011 >>

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frs

i thought it was fun to play but it's really missing something atm, i cant quite put my finger on it until i think more about it. but atleast the rail to red tele mechanic annoyed the fuck out of me, constantly. as an attack route and while defending, its so fucking random. its too easy to get rails to red aswell, red is secure, get rail, port back to red.

also the middle feels a bit too open, but then again i suppose thats the whole point of it

Edited by frs at 18:48 CDT, 13 July 2011

<< Comment #4 @ 19:06 CDT, 13 July 2011 >>

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G.I. Jonesy - Reply to #2

In other words, you want the map to be less tornado-ish?

Don't you guys have tornado's in Finland?

<< Comment #6 @ 19:31 CDT, 13 July 2011 >>

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frs - Reply to #4

making the teleport system less retarded would hardly break the map

<< Comment #3 @ 18:57 CDT, 13 July 2011 >>

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mefajpE^

This map is confusing as fuck but I like it.

<< Comment #5 @ 19:27 CDT, 13 July 2011 >>

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per1klez

Map is fine since cg was removed and items tweaked. Give it 6 months then come back with your gripes!

<< Comment #7 @ 19:57 CDT, 13 July 2011 >>

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w0nk0

why do you want to change it at all? u didnt really justify the need for any changes.

i dont think the bs side is weak at all. u have 2 key weapons in lg/rl and 75 armor with the ya and ga. and if the other team decides to just control ra, u generally have an easier time getting the mh. more importantly both sides have an equal chance of getting the quad room under control cos of the connectivity.

the map is fine as it is. let people play it more and figure out the fact that its not a boxy room, simple connectivity sort of map. it takes some getting used to and u need to change ur thinking a little bit. which is why i like it so much. it adds a completely different style of play to the map pool.

<< Comment #9 @ 20:06 CDT, 13 July 2011 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #7

organize some tdm shit to cast for NA, i know we got CSN but do 1 before that, that has no money involved to wake NA up

<< Comment #17 @ 01:59 CDT, 14 July 2011 >>

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w0nk0 - Reply to #9

sorry ive lost faith in americunts. even with the 800$ or so that csn's throwing at the tournament theres very few people willing to take the risk to form teams. really the money doesnt even matter. it just seems like most decent north american players have too big egos to actually work with each other and form teams etc.

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<< Comment #10 @ 20:13 CDT, 13 July 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #7

why do you want to change it at all? u didnt really justify the need for any changes.

well i said "the map could use a little bit more structure", we dont really need another purgatory in the mappool... and i dont think a map fresh from the drawboard is perfect usually. that being said we shouldnt jump to conclusions based on a few days of play, but we can share our views and discuss ideas

i dont think the bs side is weak at all. u have 2 key weapons in lg/rl and 75 armor with the ya and ga. and if the other team decides to just control ra, u generally have an easier time getting the mh. more importantly both sides have an equal chance of getting the quad room under control cos of the connectivity.

wouldnt really call rl a key weapon especially when there is another one at ra aswell. i got the feeling that once the other team has rails(s) its really hard to push out from the bs side. and certainly ra+better acces to mh is stronger than ya+ga

Edited by Nukm at 20:16 CDT, 13 July 2011

<< Comment #18 @ 02:01 CDT, 14 July 2011 >>

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w0nk0 - Reply to #10

ur overestimating the value of a rail gun. one side has the ra + rl + rg, the other side has ya + rl + lg. and its easier to access the mega health from the bs side.

also that sort of analysis is way too simplistic for a map like tornado which is really tight and well connected. its too dynamic and it comes down to how well you know the map and how you can move around it.

also btw removing the sg corridor to center from the bs would mean that the bs would have to waste precious time in actually getting out of the bs room and to the center area. would ruin the entire flow imo.

ps: in any case i would love to see a tornado only tournament, just to see how people adapt to the map.

Edited by w0nk0 at 02:03 CDT, 14 July 2011

<< Comment #20 @ 02:11 CDT, 14 July 2011 >>

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frs - Reply to #18

i wouldnt be surprised if tornado will be completely rail only in the future, its so easy to snipe people in the middle.

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<< Comment #8 @ 20:05 CDT, 13 July 2011 >>

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ZeritoN

fixed

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<< Comment #11 @ 20:14 CDT, 13 July 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #8

why do you keep posting 99 stupid pictures in between the funny ones?

<< Comment #15 @ 22:15 CDT, 13 July 2011 >>

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ZeritoN - Reply to #11

Stupid pictures? Think you'll find that was a serious suggestion

<< Comment #16 @ 22:24 CDT, 13 July 2011 >>

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EmeraldTiger - Reply to #15

Well Cobalt Station had flags, so why not? :p

Only problem would be unbalanced teams - blue team can safely move about their base when defending while red defenders could be tripping in lava.

Edited by EmeraldTiger at 22:25 CDT, 13 July 2011

<< Comment #35 @ 05:10 CDT, 15 July 2011 >>

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Tayski - Reply to #16

but then it could be a map that would be played twice, once as red and once as blue :)

<< Comment #26 @ 04:56 CDT, 14 July 2011 >>

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brz - Reply to #11

99 stupids and a [+] is still a [+]

although 1/100 is pretty terrible conversion rate on esr

<< Comment #12 @ 20:15 CDT, 13 July 2011 >>

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palatka - Reply to #8

ROFL WORST IDEA

U DONT HAVE FLAGS IN TDM!!!!

<< Comment #23 @ 03:52 CDT, 14 July 2011 >>

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d1z : - Reply to #12

NO YOU

<< Comment #25 @ 04:34 CDT, 14 July 2011 >>

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palatka - Reply to #23

are u saying im a bad idea?

<< Comment #13 @ 21:44 CDT, 13 July 2011 >>

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Anonymous (90.35.102.118)

this map is suffocating

<< Comment #14 @ 22:01 CDT, 13 July 2011 >>

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EmeraldTiger

I disagree with adding new rooms or removing hallways. Tornado is supposed to be a compact map with lots of flow. Item placement changes are fine, but imo you shouldn`t have to significantly change the layout of a map to make it better - otherwise you`re practically creating a whole new map. Just my two cents. :)

P.S. Load Tornado up with g_gametype 1 and /devmap tornado in practice mode. You`ll notice a big grate which blocks off the side hallway from quad and a tele leading from the BS.

Edited by EmeraldTiger at 22:11 CDT, 13 July 2011

<< Comment #19 @ 02:08 CDT, 14 July 2011 >>

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Kazan

did 5 games on it, there isnt much spawn terror on it, that already puts it ahead of purga

<< Comment #21 @ 02:32 CDT, 14 July 2011 >>

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rapha

Idea popped into my head about the tele at rail. What if entering the tele from the front and entering it behind in the water took you to sperate places? :o

<< Comment #22 @ 02:50 CDT, 14 July 2011 >>

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w0nk0 - Reply to #21

how about if you couldnt get into the tele through the back at all? meaning u need to spend double the time in the water to get the rail, as well as come back out to get into the tele. ud then have to have a teammate there protecting you or risk dying to get the rail.

<< Comment #24 @ 04:07 CDT, 14 July 2011 >>

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vor_ - Reply to #22

With how dangerous rail is on this map I agree it could be worth some thought, definitely wouldn't want to see the more significant changes that are being suggested in here, but some very minor tweaks like this might be beneficial.

<< Comment #28 @ 05:18 CDT, 14 July 2011 >>

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Anonymous (87.152.186.71)

changes in maps from community side are a nice idea in general. but it's more than doubtful that id will be listening if you follow the current situation.
yellack's and akm's new tdm map limbus is already shut away by id for over 1 year now.
so expect your tornado change in about 2 years ;)

<< Comment #27 @ 05:17 CDT, 14 July 2011 >>

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Ryan2015

Remove the water pit imo

<< Comment #29 @ 05:54 CDT, 14 July 2011 >>

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Drexciyian

Just add cpm21 with tweaks to make to make it work better in QL

<< Comment #30 @ 06:44 CDT, 14 July 2011 >>

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w0nk0 - Reply to #29

not sure if cpm21 would work well in vq3 physics at all. i mean it has so many jumps that are only possible in cpm. would ruin the flow of the map in vq3.

<< Comment #31 @ 17:35 CDT, 14 July 2011 >>

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EmeraldTiger - Reply to #30

That`s why he said tweak it to make it work better with QL.

In fact, that`s what was essentially done with Dismemberment and Solid. The original cpm12 had a different back JP shaft, etc. and was modified a bit to be more vq3-friendly. Also, with Solid, the room with the GL was heavily modified from the original.

<< Comment #32 @ 17:53 CDT, 14 July 2011 >>

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w0nk0 - Reply to #31

and yet solid is utter shit in ql compared to how good it is in cpm. i dont think u can tweak cpm21 into becoming good with ql. u gotta remember it isnt just the trick jumps. its also the scale and structure of the map. its quite big for a ql tdm map. the reason it works in cpm was because of bunny hopping and things like rocket jumps made possible by cpms strong armor system.

Edited by w0nk0 at 17:55 CDT, 14 July 2011

<< Comment #33 @ 18:19 CDT, 14 July 2011 >>

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gienon

I haven't played it and even seen it but it's certainly worse than dm6.

<< Comment #34 @ 03:41 CDT, 15 July 2011 >>

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Anonymous (83.14.178.2)

Had v3rb played this map in some quasi-official game? I'd like to see some nice movement on this map.