The game hasnt even been released in Europe , yet alot of euros signed up already . Even if they have imported or downloaded the game I doubt many of them have seriously and thoroughly tested the MP. IMO there needs to be heavy modding done to the MP , either that or we will have a giant tournament and possibly a world-tour with a flawed game .

R O T F L

T-REX ATTACK!!! SHOOT IT IN THE MOUTH

Vo0 is sticking with PK I guess?

He's on vacation :\

if he wanted to play I assume he woulda made someone else register for him not?

the opening of the registration comes as a suprize to the most players i gues, so he wouldnt've had the chance to fix something

yeah that sounds logical.. =/

you know whether he was planning to play D3 @ winter?

i gues we didnt really realize that doom 3 could be at CPL winter

who did anyhow?

D3=PK

60fps cap, 4 player max, 5 MP maps, mostly duel biased, developer reliance on the mod community to make the game playable for MP, large tournaments being held before the game is competitively ready?

Vo0 would feel right at home.

"developer reliance on the mod community to make the game playable for MP"


didn't ID said D3 is mainly a solo game ? :o

thats why they rely on the MOD community for MP...

Company that made PK said it will have a fantastic MP out of the box. id never said that.

Eventho the 60fps argument is a good way to display that you haven't understod much of it.

The PK developers teamed up with one of the mod teams to make a better multiplayer.

104. Sander Kaasjager (fnatic.Vo0) Aug 7, 04 - 9:32 AM

He's signed up.

oOoh wombat making a comeback in the duel scene. I bet a million ESR notes that fatality makes top 5.

Well considering D3 duels are more random than Lucky Day Lottery, really anyone could be in top5 :)

That's because you have no skill >_<

aha?

pain = xs|pain ?

i would assume pain is xspain...vai is also on the list ...and rix

jeremy evans = xspain :D

I think Fatal1ty will win, what with the world tour next year and the cpl player of the year, you can be damn sure he'll be taking be taking it SERIOUS.

If he wins I'll buy a FATPOLO©®? :/

But, in all seriousness, I think you're right :) Go fat!

i think so too,..

ye, he's looking gd! :D

Can someone with access update this post?

http://forums.thecpl.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.c...p;t=000009

I personally would have perfered if you guys waited till QuakeCon, since some of the people will get their first impression of D3 at that event.

This rush to sign up always cause the same problems, with people missing it.

It would be best to reserve 10 spots for invites to catch those good/well known that missed the signup. It makes sense because it would make the tourney better/more interesting for the community/easier to market for the CPL.

Democracy is great and all, but relying 100% on a mad dash to get signed up serves neither the community, CPL or it's sponsors.

I think CPL would have massive support for something like this, if it means getting a Zero4/cooller/czm into the tournament if they miss the signup.

they'll open up more spots, don't worry

this way they can draw attention several times

It just has been expanded to 128, I dont think that they will double it again.

I do :)

I was just wondering... Don't any of these people go to school? It's pretty sad when you can devote so much time to something so pointless, yet completely blow off something very important: EDUCATION.

Dumbass. Why wouldn't you go to CPL if you had the resources to do it? Great feeling, great players, great tournament. Not everyone is in it to win - which is part of the problem with open registration tournaments.

As an example, I'm at a LAN right now, installed UT2k4 yesterday and am today participating in the tournament for the game. I've played 10 duels so far, 3 in instagib. You don't have to take everything so fucking seriously.

Moron.

"Dumbass. Why wouldn't you go to CPL if you had the resources to do it? Great feeling, great players, great tournament. Not everyone is in it to win - which is part of the problem with open registration tournaments.

As an example, I'm at a LAN right now, installed UT2k4 yesterday and am today participating in the tournament for the game. I've played 10 duels so far, 3 in instagib. You don't have to take everything so fucking seriously.

Moron. "

Wow, very intelligent response. I'll just counter that by saying anybody who is actually "serious" about their education and wants to excell at their career, doesn't have the time to practice extensively for an event, then travel (taking time off from school and homework), for the 'chance' to make a little cash? I'll make the point again for you since I know you internet types have problems reading.... "anybody who is actually SERIOUS about their eduaction" ... Being serious about your career and your education is the key to success... not blowing it off for gaming fun, regardless if you think you're there for the money or not.

If you're not going because of winning money, and you don't have an established career, you're wasting your time. Try going to school instead of feeding Angel Munoz's pocketbook.

And for your information... education and your career are VERY SERIOUS... so I would hardly call that person a "moron." Just because you can't remove your head from the ass of E-sports long enough to realize it is serious, and not some joke to be delaying your REAL IMPORTANT activities that you should be trying to accomplish.

Let's see where Fatality is when he's 32 years old, with no college education, and his money from gaming is gone..... Then you'll really see who is a "dumbass" and a "moron." Personally, I like my 6-figure income instead of banking on E-Sports....

-life is about taking risks, let them decide what they want to do with their lives.

-let them fuck up their lives, why should i give a fsck ?

say those 2 sentences out loud and stop making posts about where you're trying to save teenagers from fucking up their lives.

educational posts are sooooo boring

I didn't say "Quit school, go pro." I said that allow people to do whatever the fuck they want. Just because people are going does not mean they're going to practice 18 hours a day in the year leading up to the CPL... The CPL has a BYOC just like any other LAN - why do people go to LAN's if not for the competition???!?!?

I'll make the point again like I knew I would have too since internet types are very thick-skulled....

"anybody who is actually SERIOUS about their education"

Will NEVER take time out from school and their career orientated goals to fascilitate regular gaming "fun" that could easily be achieved by playing your own "real life friends." You say why not go for the competition? I say why go at all if you're not getting paid? Personally, school is more important than spending $1,500 on a trip to geek it out. Try spending that money on books and stuff....

People who attend those events generally have no career orientated goals what-so-ever and are seriously wasting their time in that glorified LAN party.

lets wonder for a moment about the moment when ur life comes to an all too soon and unimpressive climax. which of these 2 possible portions of ur life are u likely to look back on and enjoy more.

a) 12 years spent learning things with next to no practical value in the real world other than qualifiying u for a job that has next to know practical value in the real world (as a generalisation im talking about jobs such as, bankers/IT consultants/marketing account executives/telephone sanitizers)

or

b) spending 12 years (say ages 13-25) playing, progressivly more and more interresting and skill driven computer games, with a progressivly more and more advanced and competitive gaming scene.
occasionally along the way taking time out to visit other countries meet other people from diffrent cultures and gaming scenes, with the added bonus of winning atleast the cost of ur trip back in prizes/money.

?

That would be fine and dandy if that was REALLY the case.

However, E-Sports is nowhere near the scenario you presented. Yeah big deal, a handful of people at most can play out the scenario you mentioned, but the rest of you regular Joes are seriously wasting your time. If it was to where you could have 128 gamers all certified as "pro" .. then I would agree with your statement. However, we know what it's really like....

"12 years spent learning things with next to no practical value in the real world other than qualifiying u for a job"

That must be one of the most contradictory statements I've read lately. Qualifying for a well-paying job is a necessity if you plan to support a family. Which is sure as hell a lot more important than playing video games.

So the answer... I choose neither... also your argument about B... 12 years as a gamer from 13-25.. first of all you have to be 16+ to enter an event... secondly.. waiting till 25 to START school is suicide.


I choose option C: Play the game competitively for 2-3 years, but all the while keeping the E-Sports scene in perspective, and keeping your head on straight. Take your experience from travelling and meeting people (You dont need 12 years to do this trust me), and take that knowledge into a university and later into your career. If you play longer and get caught up in the limelight.... there will be dire consequences in the long run.

I don't know many graduates at 30 years old with NO work experience getting a lot of job offers....

Makaveli... You didn't get much out of your gaming career because it peaked when professional gaming was still in its infancy. That's sad. However, if the CPL continues to grow the way it has been growing, it will bypass Wimbledon in five years or so in terms of cash prizes. It's a bit funny how your "option C" reflects the path you went yourself... sure you might be making a decent amount of money in a couple of years in an office or perhaps in your own company (or whatever). However, without risk taking there's a small chance you'll ever reach the top. My impression is that education can (generally) only take you this far. If you want to go further, you have to ignore the traditional ways and be original. I would gladly give away an "ordinary" 8-hour job in order to do what Maria Sharapova is doing (who wouldn't?). I would rather go see the world while making the big money off of something I truly love than become a suit. With that said, I agree that a _fundamental_ education is indeed important. After all, we cannot all be the next Sharapova.

This isn't a discussion about taking "risks." If you want risks.. go to Vegas, invest in high-risk stocks... go run with the bulls in Spain.

It's about understanding the limitations of what they are doing, and not influencing thousands of young teenagers into believing it is somehow a viable option in the future instead of them concentrating on the more important aspects of life and personal growth.... it's not and will not be for a very very long time, if ever. If you believe Fatality has it all figured out... talk to him and me in 10 years and ask him if he regrets not going to school and taking care of his education when he was young. Money doesn't last forever... especially only thousands of dollars. That's small potatoes. And nobody wants to hire a 35 year old who just barely got his bachelor degree....

I wouldn't recommend anybody banking on going professional in basketball, football, baseball, soccer or anything else of that nature... and those can pay off in millions upon millions of dollars.

In gaming if you're in that top 99.998% of players, then MAYBE you'll scrape up some trips and a few grand here and there.... however, that doesn't solve the problem of long-term financial security. (Wimbeldon... big whoop.. that's 1 event on what is a PROFESSIONAL TOUR of many big paying events... don't even compare to the CPL, let's not get it twisted shall we)

People are blowing it out of proportion, and not looking at the cold hard facts. It hasn't grown as much as you think and gaming is STILL in it's infancy. It's a niche market and it caters to such... nothing more. You don't even have a company willing to develop a purely professional platform for online gaming.... why? Because it doesn't make sense to do so.... not enough of a market, PERIOD.

You guys don't even have a historical database of past tourneys and matches....... Nice professional sport.

I'm an engineering student and i still have more than enough time left to seriously practice some game out there. I don't because there are better things to do with my free time, but i could. I would just have to spend the time i spend outside of the house sitting at the computer and playing games.

Having said that, there are people wasting their lives doing all kinds of shit. But those that forego an education to play at these tournaments are not "blinded" by the "esport hype" into doing that, they just don't give a fuck. If there was no cpl they'd be doing some other thing that gets them nowhere. There are a lot of those people out there, those that just party it up or do something even more useless all day and don't see where they're going.

I don't know if it's the case, but to me it sounds like you're one of the people who figured it out late, and now you're under the impression of that realization.

Now about the economy and the job prospects of graduating engineering students...........

whats this bullshit about wasting ur life ?

its not like everyone wants the same goal of making a huge amount of money or having lots of people under you.
some people work their entire lives to achieve as many goals as possible.
other people want to have fun and have a lowpaid job with no stress whatsoever.

if you want to have luxury and a carreer, you'll most likely spend less time with your family, friends.. having a few weeks a year where you can amuse yourself on vacation, or you could have a job working outside, having lots of time to do things, meeting loads of people.

there are downsides and upsides on both of them, im really not seeing the point here where you complain about "wasting" your life.. you are a great example of capitalism..

more money != more life

lol.. your post reeks of political correctness, but i'll reply. First of all where did i say it was all about the money? When i said "wasting your life" i meant just that - wasting your fucking life. Wasting your life is not about not making money, it's about not using the opportunities that you've had, it's about not having anything in your life but that shitty job and having no excuse for it. I know plenty of people whose parents were capabe of supporting them through college, but they dropped out or just never went. I have plenty of understanding for people trying to acheive other goals, but your statement about living stress free working a low paid job is funniest shit i've heard in weeks. Working at mcdonald's your whole life will not get you a stress-free happy life. You have to want to be something, a writer, a chef, a fucking firefighter. If all you want is to do as little as possible throughout your life - you're wasting it. And excuses like "people with careers don't have time for their families" are just ridiculous.

Now closer to the discussion at hand, i have respect for fatality because he wants to be something - the first "pro-gamer" (well in the world outsite of south korea anyway), and he's working hard at it and giving it his best try. He's on a real mission. But he's taking a big risk here, and i for one think he's doomed himself to one hard life. But at least fat doesn't know if he's wasting his time yet, he'll know in like 5-10 years. It's a lot different for all the other people who spend all their time playing these games because they KNOW they're wasting their time. And if they don't they're pretty damn stupid. So for them it's just a symptom of a problem, not the problem itself.

OMG somebody who makes sense!!!!

I agree with you.

On the Fat issue, I personally believe what he has done is very clever indeed. He has got himself to as many events as possible with the idea of getting good results which promote his name. My brother when he first started making music done the same thing, made songs/tunes and tried to get as much promotion as he could. As a result of that companies like Universal, EMI, Time Warner, Ministry of Sound and so forth signed him up. As a result he has been successful.

Fatality is doing the same and game companies including hardware companies are snapping him up. He has his own brand of clothes and accessories now which I am sure he hasn't make a lot of money from sales but money from advances (advances of money) from companies to use his name as he is well known. Hardware companies are sending him free hardware to test and make him give his seal of approval. They sponsor him to fly and compete for again for promotion because to the young people and in some cases older we in the future might all have a "fatpads". Only problem is his skill won't last forever so he has to think more into the future and save his money NOW. On the other hand plenty of opportunities will come his way.

In conclusion Fatality isn't wasting his time neither are other players that win tournaments BUT they have to encompass study so they can get a job if things go wrong as the gaming scene is young and there is no guarantee’s. Both go hand in hand.

well said

Yes, gaming is still its infancy. I never said it wasn't. However, it will grow A LOT in the coming years.

I said I believe that the CPL will bypass Wimbledon in terms of prize money in five years or so if it continues to grow the way it has been growing so far. What's wrong with that?

Let's get to the cold facts now then. I know the general prize money purse of Wimbledon. I also know that last year, the CPL's biggest tournament offered about $200k in total. Next year (2005) the CPL World Tour will offer $1,000,000 in total (one game). That's a rather significant advance and that's not it. The CPL has also announced that it "will also host other tournaments beyond the $1,000,000 World Tour during 2005.".

How can you say that this discussion isn't about risks? Among other things, it is clearly about risks as you consider gaming as being too risky to fully pursue as a career. You are proposing that people avoid the RISK of becoming unemployed in their thirties by focusing on a traditional (and less riskful) education. I totally agree that a fundamental education is indeed important. However, once you have a fundamental education to fall back on, you should definitely try to succeed in something you're truly passionate about. At least, that's my humble opinion.

well said, finally someone who thinks further than the 2 bussinessmen.

"However, it will grow A LOT in the coming years."

What numbers and demographics are you using to support this statement? They are doing a $1 million dollar tour worldwide... wow.. over how many tournaments and different countries? I bet you that million gets split into the usual amounts you're used to seeing for an event. Secondly, you said they are promising this for next year..... promises are meant to be broken - especially when you're talking about Angel Munoz and the CPL. Basically you're taking Angel's word for their "potential growth" ... that's all fine and dandy, but when push comes to shove - these companies will pull their funding when they realize Fatality isn't going to help Abit sell any extra motherboards.... People will buy what is good according to hardware reviews by 'serviced professionals' .... not some guy who plays games all day.

Secondly, you're hoping it'll pay as much as Wimbledon in 5 years... I'll still make the point that Wimbledon is only 1 event in a long chain of events offering significant prize money. Just because they CPL can generate money to put on a glorified LAN (Any of you could organize such a thing in your local area with a sponsored clan and make it grow every year - K9-con is a prime example of how a motivated group can do EXACTLY what the CPL is doing and just run with it), it doesn't mean it's "going to grow a lot in the coming years" The improvement in the prize money is almost laughable. If you really break it down, and add inflation into the equation... I think you'll get a better picture of how much the prize money has actually risen. Also, there is a limit to how far these companies are willing to go - until you can prove that people will consistently pay (outside of the hardcore community) to watch professional E-sports players....... good luck pal.

You have no numbers to back this up other than prize money. (Which is not being 'generated' by CPL activity but instead is sponsors money which can be pulled at any time) If you look at the cold hard numbers in terms of demographics and interest in "professional gaming" you're going to be vastly disappointed. I'll make the point again that you don't even have a company willing to develop a game for the CPL's professional platform. The reason this is is because people like you, and all the other people who follow E-Sports are a VERY SMALL MINORITY of the actual gaming community - That will not change..... People will not justify paying money to watch geeks sit in front of a PC and play games and that in the end is the only way for what you say is going to happen, to happen. (Gaming will get a lot bigger?) I say you guys are about to hit the max potential of that market and freeze..... demographics don't lie people. You simply just don't have the support necessary to make that a viable option.

"You sounds rather bitter, it's like you regret never having achieved thesame people like fatal1ty have achieved"

Spoken like a true asshole. What has fatality achieved? Is he married? Does he have a family he's taking care of? I mean I love the guy to death and everything... but don't talk to me as if I somehow have regrets... I have none. I made $30,000 (which is still more than many of your so-called active pros today even though I've been 'retired' for 4 years!) made a grip of business and personal connections and saw E-Sports for what it was worth.... a fun experience but not something you want to make a career out of - You'll regret it in the long run.

So when it all comes crashing down, don't forget about these little posts and how I warned people not to bank on it - It's a NICHE MARKET and will remain so. See you in 10 years kids...... you'll still be talking about how gaming is on the verge.

(It's laughable because the conversations about how it's about to get big have remained the same for what..... 6-7 years? It hasn't changed that much, take it from somebody who's been there since the beginning of it all - You guys have a very rude awakening coming to you oneday)

Don't ruin your lives..... stay in school.

I am building my _assumption_ on the exponential growth we have witnessed so far in terms of prize money, sponsorships and media interest. Of course I cannot prove that I am right in my prospect, just like you cannot prove that you're right when you say that a rude awakening awaits us. Only the future can tell who is right and who is wrong.

"I bet you that million gets split into the usual amounts you're used to seeing for an event."

It has already been split. Something tells me you're not paying much attention to the "esports scene". If you did, you would perhaps have noticed that things are going in the right direction and that you're completely wrong about 'usual amounts'. $150k for the winner (+ qualifier prizes) is NOT the usual. Why are you being so pessimistic when there's an obvious progress?

"I'll still make the point that Wimbledon is only 1 event in a long chain of events offering significant prize money."

So what? If I won Wimbledon just once, my future would be secured financially. If the CPL bypasses Wimbledon in terms of prize money, you might as well be able to secure your future financially as a gamer. That was my entire point.

I recently read that gamers are one of the fastest growing demographics in the world and gamers will naturally be interested in gaming.

"The reason this is is because people like you, and all the other people who follow E-Sports are a VERY SMALL MINORITY of the actual gaming community - That will not change."

Well, there probably was a pessemestic Korean who once said that too. Look at Korea now. Professional gamers are adored and idolized like were they huge football stars. They're being paid salaries, receiving big sponsorships and some are basically making millions. When it can happen there, it can happen everywhere.

Esports is a new phenomenon, but it is slowly gaining more attention and acceptance. People who loves gaming (that's a lot) will naturally be fascinated by the idea that they can make money off of something they love and more and more "ordinary" gamers will become followers and participants of esports.

"in terms of prize money, sponsorships and media interest."

Once again your pointing to things that are outside of the control of the gamers and even the CPL. It is completely dependant upon sponsors 'investing in pro gaming' ... otherwise the whole thing comes crashing down.

Your user base has remained the same, and you don't have a larger market share of the gaming market than when it all started. The only reason you see an increase (which is very small in my opinion) is because of more and more people having PC's and internet connects in comparison to 5 years ago. More gamers and more technology being released and sold is the reason you see an increase.... not because people in America are "being exposed to pro-gaming and are interested" ... most people forget your little news spots 10-15 minutes after they've seen them.

Prize money, sponsorships, and media coverage are all a part of the 'hype' and really have no long-term benefits. The organization itself (CPL) must have a way of providing and earning income to be successful in the terms you are thinking about. This requires getting people to PAY TO WATCH GAMERS PLAY ... the key element missing from your thesis.

This will not ever happen on a large scale... Niche market as I said, and your growth is limited to that particular market.

It'll never be an 'established American sport' ....

"Look at Korea now. Professional gamers are adored and idolized like were they huge football stars. They're being paid salaries, receiving big sponsorships and some are basically making millions. When it can happen there, it can happen everywhere."

Korea is an entirely different country with an entirely different culture. Just because it works there, doesn't mean it'll work everywhere... more flawed logic.

If you do your research, you'd realize there aren't a whole lot of activities you can do actively in Korea... Soccer is one, Tae Kwan-Do (correct spelling?), and gaming.... that's it dude. In America, you're competing with a whole swell of TV entertainment, movie entertainment, sporting events, and the like.

Apples and oranges...

"I recently read that gamers are one of the fastest growing demographics in the world"

That may be true, but lots of people play LOTS of different types of games. If I play chess online, I'm considered a gamer by your demographic. Ask how much of that demographic is the hardcore PC professional gaming community... I bet you get different results. According to online gaming demographics, women outnumber men in online games, but you wouldn't have guessed that because in your market (hardcore gaming) there is mostly males. You see my point? Your figure about gaming growth covers ALL ASPECTS of the gaming market. Online poker makes more money and is way more popular than your little niche hardcore professional gaming market by a long-shot as an example.

Either way, that doesn't make the people more inclined to pay money to watch some ugly, fat dude play PC games...... That is pure speculation that those gamers polled will be more involved in the idea of "professional gaming."

Remember: Arguing on the Internet is like running at the paralympics. Even if you win, you are still retarded.

i havent read past your second post, but shouldnt you be off studying since its obviously more important that posting on a message board :)

I agree with school > playing games but I think using Fatality as having no future was a bad example. If Fatalitys got anything about him he'll be able to make gaming pay one way or another. Fatality could use his fame etc to set up some kind of business or whatever, gaming related, and cash in big time all thanks to his previous fame and success.
Obviously, this won't work for most though. Its a safer bet to work hard at school - that way you've always got something to fall back on. But then again, nearly all of the people I know that are very well off (or million aires) never stopped on at school or achieved any qualifications. And, every person I know that DID stop on at school are either doing well, average or not so well, none of them are anywhere near the handful of people I know with lots of lolly that are relativly uneducated. Thats only a small average of the people I know though.

There's no point in continuing this discussion. It's just "I think it will be big" vs. "I don't think it will". Back and forth. We'll just have to wait and see.

"I recently read that gamers are one of the fastest growing demographics in the world and gamers will naturally be interested in gaming."

When people quote stats that gamers are one of the fastest growing demographics in the world. Everyone is lumped together. Sure there are a few more people into competive gaming, but most of the "growth" is from young people that just like to play madden on their PS2 or halo on an Xbox and have no clue how to use a computer for anying other than instant messenger.

i agree

Not everybody that is serious into E-sports isnt following an education.

Cooller i.e. is doing a good job playing q3 and following an education.

So its a bit dumb to say all those people who are serious into e-sports wont have an education later on.

U can mix the two things pretty good.

You sounds rather bitter, it's like you regret never having achieved thesame people like fatal1ty have achieved.

If you want to spend a whole lot of time studying, that's fine. But don't expect to get rich off that alone. You see, the salaries don't get big until you're a bit older, and there's always that higher position that'll make you even more cash. So you have to decide for yourself, do you want to have fun aswell, or just money?

I suggest you study something you are genuinely interested in, rather than something that pays big bucks. If it happens to be both, thats good for you. If not, bad luck, choose what you really want instead of what you think is best.

I'm agree with makaveli on this issue. When I was in high school I played q2 and q3 ALL THE TIME. I played too much for my own good. Sure it was fun some of the time but a lot of it was a pain. People never showed up consistently for matches and practices and the ping issue always pissed everyone off. It was a lot of work for little payoff...

So I go to college expecting to find someone who played q3...after all it was a big part of my life. Guess what? No one played q3 and no one cared that I played it. You know what q3 is in the real world? A game for geeks that you're average person could care less about. If you think otherwise you are a fool. Nobody cares about the hours and hours of time you put in. To them, whether it's true or not, q3 is for nerds. That's reality folks.

My roommate freshmen year was recruited to play baseball for my school. He had high hopes of getting drafted one day...he swore he would make it. He used to tell me stupid stories about screwing britney spears some day. He started playing baseball when he was 5 years old...he loved it entirely. You know what he's realizing after two years in college? He's not going to get drafted and if it wasn't for baseball he'd be flipping burgers. He's holding on by a thread grade-wise and has basically learned nothing because he just doesn't care anymore. In his home town he was a star and now he's nothing. This kid put all of his heart into baseball and sure as hell put a lot more effort into baseball than a gamer puts into gaming. What does he have to show for it? Nothing. That's reality. You can spend your whole life putting 100% of your soul into something and not get even close to where you want to be...so you better have an education to back you up. You better have a brain and a backup plan.

College is a time for personal growth. Even if you do find a few people that play computer games, you're better off going out and meeting people than spending all your free time playing Doom 3. I can't imagine not going to college and being in the same mindless gaming rut I was in 3 years ago. I'd still be stuck behind a computer screen waisting my time...you have to experience new things so you can progress as a person. That's what college is about. That's what life is about.

The professional gaming community is very very small and hopefully all you guys in high school will realize that soon...it's simply not worth it.

Okay this isn't specifically about Gaming, but I had to say this because I'm apalled at the mixture of confusion that could've provoked such a response, and have to try and fix it.
Erm, if you think jobs like (investment) Banking have no purpose in the real world I think you should probably do a little more research. The world economy is very dependant upon such roles, in fact you should know that one of the contributing reasons to the extreme US growth was the evolution of the trading markets for things such as grain, and cotton.

I agree there are a lot of jobs which seem to have little purpose in *your* life, but I might remind you many companies (including id) depend upon their 'bankers'.

It's not a boring job, many people refer to it as 'the great game', and the perks are those which Makavelli talked about. 6 figure income.

..and the world economy is important how? do birds and bees have global munitary systems? do rabbits check stock options and trade in futures? i think not.
real life isnt transitional social structures that in a universal blink will be antiquated history. real life is something that i really cant explain in a response to an annonymous individual on the intraweb, but it certainly begins with loved ones and happy moments spent doing things u enjoy. not spending 12 years in education only to then spend the rest of ur life running in circles worrying about US financial growth or the price of oil per barrel.

Your like the after school special from hell.

well said...

I agree in general with what mak is saying, but it's not impossible to balance work/education with playing computer games. I know when I used to play, it was a substitute for watching TV or reading. For a lot of people it's just a relaxing way to spend a few hours a week and if that's enough to make you think you can do well in a tournament, I say go for it. I signed up for the Winter CPL tourney because my parents live in Dallas and I'm going to be there anyway for Christmas. If I have time between now and then to get good at the game, I'll give it a shot.... But I completely agree that no one should be spending even 2+ hours a day playing a game. The risk vs reward is way too high.

nb-ryanbrown

I think you have a point to a cetain degree there Vic, but at the same time I think you are casting a very critical eye on the people who put a lot of time into gaming.

I myself was into games in a big way, played a great deal of Street Fighter in the Arcades (pro level) and from there I advanced to a game called Killer Instinct. I became very good at that, and the times I spent in the Arcade and in the gaming community/tournaments influenced my goals, and I choose to work in the videogame industry. Without that I would probably be working in some dead end job as games were a good way to excape the social surroundings where I came from.
At 18, I managed to a get a job with the developer of Killer Instinct (like a q3 player getting a job with id) and from there I spent time as a game tester, then I got promoted to a game designer where I worked on some really big selling games (I.E. sold many millions and won highest awards)

One thing about being in the gaming commuinty is that you learn a lot about computers, typing, programs, hardware, basically you an pick up a whole host of information and by the time you're 18 you can be quite clued up and at the very least you could walk into an office job straight away.

Earning lots of benjamins is not the be all and end all to life. Believe me, I worked with a lot of millionaires (im not rich) and I tell you this much, nearly everyone was miserable.
Sure they had Ferrari's etc, but when you get that shit, where do you go from there?

What's important is having fun in life, but keeping your eye on the ball, and make sure that if you're spending a lot of time online, keep your eye on the ball, and at least make sure you are learning things aside from Q3 comands and how to download Warez from IRC.

As for FAT, he's doing a lot more than you give him credit for I think. He's investigating the business side of things, and he is the only one going down that avenue.
Fat is not stupid enough to HAVE to play games his whole life. For a start RSI will kick in, and secondly he's going to grow up a bit and realise that the majority of his peers are a lot younger than him, and he will want more than that.

Time will tell.

Most top gamers are pretty intelligent. Any one with half a brain can learn for themselves...

ROTFL, you never saw Timber? :) Certainly there are very few top gamers who come across as remotely intelligent.

You can do several things at once you know. Its not all sleep and gaming....except for Fatality of course

/Farbror Abavna

Yep, not a single person on the list goes to school. They are competely blowing off their education. Thats very very sad.

/rolls eyes

go xzpain :)

Another notable (IMO) is top Scandi dueller sakh(UT). Oh, and wombat plays CoD nowadays...

czm will win.
Bo selecta! :D

97. Maurice Engelhardt Aug 7, 04 - 4:51 AM

-> burnie

Stelam's bro is playing as well, will make a change from coaching I guess :)

zyz and neok are on that list aswell... so i guess it's an unmatched comeback ;)

Ok found the names, thanks to unmatched.de :)


Benjamin Bohrmann - zyz
Tobias Grieser - neok
(q2, q3)

Thanks, didn't notice.

Who gives a toss about big names in other OLD games.
Bring out the new big names! \o/

cause these are the ones who have the biggest chance to end up in top 5 ?

just look at PK

Go cpense!

hmm do they actually like this game or is it all for the money

money for sure...

fatal1ty is playing, so that means its for the money :p
lol

Welcome to capitalism...
and I mean that in the most positive sense of the word.

The progressive ideal, the only social system that leaves a man free to pursue, and achieve, his own happiness.

God bless Ame.. I mean Holland.

It's more than just that...

It's that Fatal1ty is trying to make a career out of it, which means following the money.

There's a difference between that kind of professional gamer, and how the term is bounded about by gamers who happen to get some support (via servers, infrequent travel expenses) who cannot really claim to be professional.

call me weird but for most its for the competition , money prices only add to the competition . I dont think ANYONE except Fat nowadays plays solely for cash . Its all about the competition .

Yeah, definately. I haven't even played Doom3 yet, and while the money is a huge incentive (doubt i'll ever see a cent of it though), the main reason I registered for this is because of all the tournament action it's getting in general.

Hopefully the doom3 community will have everything that the quake3 community was missing, and with so many people signing up for GGL/CAL/CPL, it looks like it will.

I wouldn't dumb-down the Q3 community because it is now being superceeded - it's too easy to do without giving it full credit.

Q3 got a lot right, and very little wrong.

the quake 3 scene in north america was a joke. end of story.

plz, god, make bestial1ty lose as bad as possible :p

nah man, I hope he performs really well so people won't bash him all the time, he deserves it after all that crap with his CS and CoD teams...

Not that he hasn't already done well, finishing 2nd @ CPL behind Vo0 isn't something u should be ashamed of really, but people tend to ignore that ;)

@ 38 wrote
"The progressive ideal, the only social system that leaves a man free to pursue, and achieve, his own happiness"

Nice one u keept something in mind in your english or history lessons :PP

too bad you fell asleep during yours.
kept.

'spawns' not 'spawnz' :)

'Spawns' it's a pro-noun.

maybe it's just a typo ?

GO ZEMME!! (emz1)

wombat also played cs i think :)

u forgot to mention wreck.

I dont fall only one time into sleep during a english lesson thats why iam very poroud of comment 38 :PP

yeah, it really shows..

Gitzzz just signed up. Now we just need Zero4 and we'll have the biggest 1v1 tourney ever.

Yeah

A z4muz, fazz or cooller would do as well :x

121. Alexander Ihrfors (fnatic.Z4muZ) Aug 7, 04 - 1:12 PM

that one you mean? ;)

fnatic is not messing around it seems, CS, CoD, PK, UT2k4 squads, and now probably 4 people sent to Winter CPL...

imo some more dutch players would be nice tho ^_^

cooller is sending the $ he would have used to register to id as a bribe to get mouseaccel into the game.

NeoK & zyz \o/

omg! (all the names), this will be huge

i wonder how will UT players handle the doom3

GL

D|S-Alias just registered, looking to be a super event. Imagine if finals weren't the same week for a lot of us.

Is it just my imagination or does ever the CPL always expand the amount of participants from 64 to 128?

Do they really believe that no more than 64 will sign up? Or is this just to get more news updates regarding the cpl going.

they didn't do it for pk tourney :)

Yes they did, it was 32 players at first, but it got doubled.

Bleh, UT players stay faithful, k thx,..

Yea, well they double it anyway. Are they so incompetent at estimating a number of signups? I meaaan come oooon they are the CPL best gaming organisation in the universe, everyone wants to play the cpl eeeeeeee!

But what about new, random players? :/ Just keep changing game like that, stupid.

I want the demo...

Hopefully they'll loan some fat bandwidth to share the big (even compressed) demos then :p

Demo of the game...

Half the people who have signed up won't go :)

yea cause wasting 80 bucks is cool....

omg it's almost full atm o_O

hakeem hakeem hakeem hakeem :PPPPPP

Hakeem won a shitload of money in one of the first q3 tourneys, I would not be surprised if he did it again as Doom III is simple enough and new enough to put everyone who is semi skilled at games on the same level.
This is a good opportunity to earn a few bucks for little investment.

Check out #126... Forrest. =D

I somehow doubt players like GitzZz and Burnie will do well in D3. After all, D3 is hardly a hitscan game suited for 30-40cm mousesensitivity.

Some UT players like Forrest, Lotus and even pain could surprise though.

New sens doesn't take that long to get used to...

d3 has a strong minigun and headshots so who knows?
new game, new style but i somehow doubt z4muz will do well without accel

what does mouse acceleration do precisely?

the more you move a mouse within a period of time, the faster it'll be in-game, basically.

i.e., if you slowly move the mouse two inches, it may only cover 90o on the screen. If you flick it two inches (move it really fast in other words), you might do a 180o, or more (since faster movement makes the sensitivity temporarily go up).

A lot of people are against it as it truly is imprecise, but other people (I used to be one of them) can feel as much at home with accel as those without it, and gain the benefits of being able to turn quickly and use really low sens for aiming.

ah ic, thanks for explaining :)

hmm but gitzz with minigun doing like 30 headshots in 2 seconds could do well, i think :)))) maybe :))

And they won't adapt will they? Of course they damn will ruling gitzzz out is pretty stupid...

I didnt rule him out, I just said he would get it tough. Because there already is a lot of good players out there that already uses higher mouse sensitivity, with more focus on weapons like RL. And they will adapt faster to a new game, than someone who has to adapt to both a new game and a new playstyle.

I highly doubt it, it only takes a few days to get use to a new sensitivity not even that a few maps, so I don't think that will be a factor at all maybe a minor one, but not that huge.

well when the game is lunched here, ill start playing it... mybe i ll be at brazilian CPL...

there's also Nicola Geretti!!!1 (ForresT)

makaveli, so get an education then play games big deal, if you are smart you can do both and not suffer. obviously you are just not intelligent enough ;p

Nice lineup so far ;)

It's true that you can't be a top gamer and successful at school at the same time. Then I mean, you can't get top grades, be #1 at a competitive fps game and have a good social life. It's what fatality says aswell...you need to focus 100% on one thing to be the best at it. So I agree with makaveli.

Who says you need to be #1 at things? Alot of people are never gonna be #1 at anything.

Yeah I'm sure CZm is so dumb to be at Princeton, and arguably number one at the most respected Pro Game in the world.

He's never been number one, but good sure.

And the social life I mentioned ?

You can tell the guy is a geek. No, a real one.

Not that it matters, gaming is no beauty competition nor a talkshow, but still you know what I mean. Not that I know the guy in any way, but you can tell a lot about people by the way they dress, look and body language. I'm sure he gets both friends and girls, that's not what I mean. Generally considered a loser in the society, which in itself isn't disrespectful, but you can't do everything right, like I said.

Some of these guys have porn names

116.Sean Steele
118.Gian Gerosa
110.Paul Wilcox
35. Scott Fagen
136.Brandon Wood
82.Gareth Leak
74.Justin Johnson
31.Mark Manson

Paul Wilcox? Isn't he a developer at Epic? :-)

No the Epic guy is Joe Wilcox

Yea, I know. Would be fun if a dev from Epic signed up though, just to spy a little. Epic could sure use some experience from competitions like this.

Hakeem will win over wombat in a very close final game! Just like old times...

I am pretty sure that someone with quake experians, is going to win =]

If you do your research, you'd realize there aren't a whole lot of activities you can do actively in Korea... Soccer is one, Tae Kwan-Do (correct spelling?), and gaming.... that's it dude. In America, you're competing with a whole swell of TV entertainment, movie entertainment, sporting events, and the like.

I'm dreaming right ? Or it's humor maybe ?

tournament will be very interesting to watch. Roll on DTV !!!! :)

well the single player game of D3 is shit and single player fps gets boring quick so I'm fucking pissed that ID didn't put more emphaysis on the MP. fucking idiots, they're only interested in selling their retarded engine nowdays