ESR - (Archive) CPMA 1.33 Released

<< Comment #1 @ 16:53 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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thelawenforcer

nice timing / looks at CPL q3 Poll, nice changes also :) gna try it out, id love to play CPM alot

<< Comment #2 @ 16:56 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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sudstah

Pimp My Quake should be on MTV

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<< Comment #3 @ 17:02 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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deotrip

a pity the new font doesnt look that nice on 800x600. love the new rl-knockback! cmon show off ur huds!

<< Comment #6 @ 17:13 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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bud - Reply to #3

check arqons cfg @ promode phorums
The lowres version is rock solid!

<< Comment #8 @ 17:17 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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deotrip - Reply to #6

u mean this thread > http://www.challenge-world.com/forum/ikonboar...f=2;t=3427 ? well its because its using the old id-font, not the new one.

<< Comment #48 @ 20:38 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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bud - Reply to #8

im using 3w ;)

http://home.no/buddis/shot0008.jpg

<< Comment #11 @ 17:36 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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Venim - Reply to #3

looks really good at 640x480

<< Comment #4 @ 17:03 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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GreenBastard

#cpmpickup servers have been updated if you wanna try 1.33 cpma tdm/ctf

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<< Comment #5 @ 17:11 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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Stile - Reply to #4

thanks!

<< Comment #7 @ 17:13 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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bud - Reply to #4

goodies

<< Comment #9 @ 17:24 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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kro

weeh CPMA steals from Warsow

<< Comment #10 @ 17:29 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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son! - Reply to #9

wee warsow stole the same concept from 200 games before it

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<< Comment #13 @ 17:39 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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ix - Reply to #9

I've just patented breathing, plz cease infringing on my patent. -_-

Edited by ix-ir at 17:39 CDT, 15 July 2006

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<< Comment #19 @ 18:01 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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Cheese Thief - Reply to #9

I hope you are talking about the custom hud system, and not the gameplay.

<< Comment #26 @ 18:19 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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arQon - Reply to #19

Even that predates the EXISTENCE of Warsow.

http://www.challenge-world.com/forum/ikonboar...f=2;t=2607

Drag and drop HUD editing, more than 2 years ago. The "SuperHUD" is just a more uniform and more powerful implementation. :)

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<< Comment #56 @ 22:14 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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kro - Reply to #26

chill people, I was just kidding.

CPMA is still my favourite Q3 mod.

<< Comment #12 @ 17:38 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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retire

warsow is still the daddy

<< Comment #14 @ 17:44 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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zeicon

I dl'd it but when I try to make a server or use practice mode it says "failed to load dll, looking for qvm" and goes back to the menu. Sup with that? Do I need an older version of the mod as well?

<< Comment #16 @ 17:51 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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arQon - Reply to #14

Quote:

CPMA 1.33, 15 July 06

You MUST already have all 7 CPM map packs to use this version of CPMA.
You do not need to keep ANY old versions (z-cpma-pak100.pk3, etc)

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Odds are you don't have all the maps.
http://www.challenge-tv.com/index.php?mode=fi...p;file=134
and
http://www.challenge-tv.com/index.php?mode=fi...p;file=178
are probably the fastest/easiest way to get them, or
http://www.filecloud.com/files/file.php?file_id=546

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<< Comment #18 @ 18:01 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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Rizzo - Reply to #16

CPMA was perfect anyway! BTW what happened with the idea of you making the osp 1.04? Is that by any chance posible? :)

<< Comment #38 @ 18:57 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #18

osp 1.04 = cpma 1.33 in vq3 gameplay.

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<< Comment #49 @ 20:40 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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bud - Reply to #38

no1 will ever understand that xD
it has to have the name OSP printed all over it

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<< Comment #51 @ 20:51 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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graumull - Reply to #49

in pink

<< Comment #67 @ 23:44 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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Rizzo - Reply to #49

Of course I am aware of that! But that fact is useless simply because 90% of the servers run OSP.

<< Comment #57 @ 22:37 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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cholie - Reply to #38

Correct. No one will even understand that. All VQ3'ers should be downloading CPMA and play VQ3 under CPMA. Bunch of losers.

<< Comment #69 @ 00:14 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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boganman - Reply to #57

the physics are different, no 125fps shit n all that.

<< Comment #72 @ 00:40 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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cholie - Reply to #69

Hence it requires more skill.

<< Comment #85 @ 04:45 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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kmt - Reply to #72

puhleeeeeez

<< Comment #110 @ 06:19 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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cholie - Reply to #85

CPMA = doing that jump requires more precision than the usual sloppy circle jump. And when there's precision, you gain skill.

<< Comment #87 @ 04:48 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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dreg - Reply to #72

that really doesn't apply anymore as everyone can get solid 125fps, even my dad with some shitty intel onboard video (he's in a transition phase with gfx atm :)), which makes everyone on a level playing field. but hey if they added the non randomness to osp i wouldn't complain :D

<< Comment #95 @ 05:03 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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ashr - Reply to #87

well its not just about fps imo.. i used to play at 100fps / 100hz (120/100hz gave me slight tearing) for a while since that was the maximum refresh rate of my monitor at 800x600 resolution. i couldn't have done that in OSP without sacrificing jump distance. i've gone back to 120/120hz at 640 res though.

<< Comment #125 @ 07:06 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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GreenBastard - Reply to #87

why does it have to be osp? i dont understand :)

both mods are programmed by the same guy, cpma vq3 is far more up to date allready including the non randomness etc.

perhaps if the next cpma version was renamed to osp 1.04 there wouldnt be any split in q3

<< Comment #132 @ 07:38 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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dreg - Reply to #125

Comment #89 @ 10:55 BST, 16 July 2006
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By Colour: white dreg + - Reply to #41
so, if you can't convince the osp herd to play promode with vq3, then why not just release promode (which defaults to vq3) again but under the guise of osp! people will love you for updating osp, and stop getting confused etc.
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Edited by dreg at 07:42 CDT, 16 July 2006

<< Comment #97 @ 05:22 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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arQon - Reply to #72

It's not about skill (though that does become at least somewhat required for bridge to rail etc) it's about Right and Wrong.

Framerate-dependent physics are Wrong, and hopefully obviously so.

The broken pmove implementation in Q3 1.25 is also Wrong, and equally obviously so if you look at e.g. the DM8 50H tunnel, or ANY bouncepad in Radiant and ingame.

Using physics that just WORK and are Right all the time means old maps continue to work correctly; new maps can be made the same way and THEY'LL work correctly too, etc.

I mean, it should be just a BIT of a clue that if the DM17 BP to RA *doesn't land on the RA*, something's wrong. But even the slowest minds can put 2 and 2 together if they check the BP on the OTHER side: try that one and you'll see just how UTTERLY buggered pmove is. :P

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<< Comment #101 @ 05:50 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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zealot - Reply to #97

It's not that and we've talked about this before :p

Over the last 3-4? years people simply got used to the enhanced 125fps physics and noone cares if they are 'wrong'. Afaik it would be relatively easy to alter the gravity a bit to help everyone make the switch from osp to cpma-vq3 (=make it feel like osp). The switch itself is something I'd love to see of course.

But as you've said yourself the difference is noticeable and for most of us osp'ers cpma-vq3 simply means a change in our game. Most do not like that and maybe it's also not a smart move considering what the future might hold for q3 (hint hint) :)

<< Comment #120 @ 06:59 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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GreenBastard - Reply to #101

do you have that low an opinion of osp'rs that they would be that narrow minded to not change to a better mod because of such a subtle difference?

Most seemed happy to change to an entirely different (and inferior) game: Quake4, heck some even claim to actually prefer Quake4 now to Q3OSP (however dubious and money motivated those claims are :P)

Edited by elhefe at 07:00 CDT, 16 July 2006

<< Comment #127 @ 07:14 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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zealot - Reply to #120

yes I do and I have plenty of reason for it.
We had the discussion about switching from osp to cpma-vq3 some time last year already (I believe it's close to a year ago) and yes the osp'ers refused to change to cpma because of said stuff. I was one of the very few who tried to talk them into doing it but obviously it didn't work out and instead (almost) everyone changed to q4.

Edited by zealot at 07:16 CDT, 16 July 2006

<< Comment #130 @ 07:24 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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GreenBastard - Reply to #127

whose we?

I bet if CPL or whoever ran big money cpma tournies most osp'rs would switch in an instant

<< Comment #135 @ 07:56 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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zealot - Reply to #130

ok that's true. There's hope! :)

edit: we=the osp scene

Edited by zealot at 07:56 CDT, 16 July 2006

<< Comment #137 @ 08:01 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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ini - Reply to #130

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=794299

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<< Comment #123 @ 07:03 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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[master] - Reply to #101

Considering the bugfixes and enhancements which come along with CPMA, it might be the ONLY future for Q3. :)

Apart the "fixed physics" in CPMA, the vq3 gamemode of CPMA feels less sluggish and inaccurate than OSP.

<< Comment #128 @ 07:18 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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zealot - Reply to #123

I too believe cpma is the only reasonable future q3 has. If the switch does not happen the only stuff people will use it for is playing 8v8 ctf on some weirdo .nl server & osp-pm1 clanarena in .de.

<< Comment #141 @ 08:11 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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arQon - Reply to #123

Actually, that "feel" came FROM the physics fixes. Player movement/etc is THE most fundamental part of the game, and when the core of that is defective it poisons just about everything else.

There's a "tightness" to the physics core in CPMA that's like driving a sports car on a motorway. The baseq3 core by comparison is like driving a Cadillac over rubble: you can soften the suspension and pad the seats all you want, but you'll still feel the rocks.

<< Comment #148 @ 09:03 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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[master] - Reply to #141

I know.
I wanted to point out, that people should stop whining about changes and just TRY how it feels.
You can FEEL how the movement, the handling, the gameplay improves. Many people just read the changelog and the whining on community pages instead of trying it out first.
I held two duel cups with CPMA VQ3 a while ago and all participants said it felt way better than OSP, unfortunately the masses are more conservative.
Today, OSP CA seems to be the only mode with an active community - that's sad.

Well, I think you already know that ;)

<< Comment #151 @ 10:36 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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Ion - Reply to #148

Seems odd to me that they all still feel that way. People have been considering changing q4 base gameplay in q4max and xbattle for a while now. From what I've seen it's more a matter of agreeing upon changes that are actually better rather than "well if we do this then I will be able to beat more people".

Perhaps the vq3 people are willing to be a bit more flexible now...

<< Comment #156 @ 11:18 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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[master] - Reply to #151

The remaining OSP community is so tiny and inactive right now, it doesn't matter anymore. Maybe we give it another try with a small cup.

<< Comment #109 @ 06:18 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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cholie - Reply to #97

Yes, I was aware of this. This is why I like CPMA. However, my apparent *simple* answer was that it was slightly difficult to carry out the jump compared to regular OSP (while I knew the 125 FPS dependency was abolished in CPMA). To do that jump requires more precision now hence, more skill. :)

<< Comment #154 @ 11:14 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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Abdul-Haweed - Reply to #97

the mistake you make arQon, is that you forget how the 'broken 125 fps physics' have become part of vq3's gameplay, and people are used to that.

I think you should slightly increase the jumpheight or something to compensate. Or anything that comes close the 125fps physics but ISN'T physics dependant.

There's no way you are going to force anything on the OSP players. If they dont like it they just stick to OSP.
And that's a sad and bad thing, since CPMA VQ3 has so much more options and is way more solid.

<< Comment #158 @ 11:32 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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tbone - Reply to #154

If you need 125fps to do the jumps you need to be pretty shit tbh.

<< Comment #160 @ 11:47 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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Abdul-Haweed - Reply to #158

no need to call people unskilled or whatsoever. And one jump isnt the point...

<< Comment #163 @ 12:24 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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tbone - Reply to #160

Oh I wasn't saying they're shit, what I am saying is that if you depend on broken physics for movement, then you don't know how to move properally.

Anyone that knows how to move correctly in quake 3 won't be bothered by the difference between osp and cpma vq3.

I pretty much agree with you though, I would love playing vq3 in cpma online, nice netcode + movement and everything!

<< Comment #178 @ 14:37 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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Slajer - Reply to #163

For those of us who have been playing OSP vq3 for the last 6 years it's kinda difficult to learn how to jump "properly".
Sure rail jump on dm6 is easy..but i have no idea on how to do the ra jump on cpm4 :)

<< Comment #183 @ 15:11 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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ini - Reply to #178

Oh dear oh dear :/

Spend a short time to learn it then (It doesn't take long and you will only benefit from it anyway)

<< Comment #186 @ 15:27 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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Slajer - Reply to #183

I don't think you understand...it's like switching from eating with your right hand to your left.. it's not the complexity.. it's the fact you've been doing it differently the whole time. Takes a lot longer to learn and it's easier for the new guys.

Oh btw, you mind posting a demo of your jump to ra? :)

<< Comment #196 @ 22:30 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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arQon - Reply to #186

http://www.promode.org/arqon/cpm4.dm_68

*edit* technically, that's 4a, which may be different for all I know.

The interesting thing is, the CPM4 RA is *exactly* what I was talking about. Khaile explicitly made it "unreachable" EXCEPT via the stairs, and for about a year, it was. Then faster machines suddenly made it reachable, and the map's play changed radically as a result. Whether you or I or anyone else prefers the "new" route to the RA is immaterial: as far as Khaile's concerned, the bugs "broke" his design for the map.

Edited by arQon at 22:52 CDT, 16 July 2006

<< Comment #208 @ 06:47 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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Slajer - Reply to #196

You almost get a 400UPS before you jump..i however can't make it more then 370-380(which is enough in OSP).
I've tried to run a server on timescale 0.5 and was able to do 390UPS on the ground but it seems kinda difficult.. especially if you would try and do that in the middle of the battle.

q2dm1 was then also broken?
As i remember those jumps were added in later Q2 patch..made the map a whole lot more interesting.

Ah yes and thanks for the demo.

Edited by Slajer at 06:47 CDT, 17 July 2006

<< Comment #209 @ 06:53 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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ini - Reply to #208

Um to get only 370-390 ups out of your circle strafe means you are doing something terribly wrong.

<< Comment #211 @ 07:28 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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ini - Reply to #209

And this is why FPS independant physics are better it means that you have to at least have some skill to be able to pull off the jumps whereas with OSP just about anybody can pull off any of the jumps without any practice at all (Basically)

<< Comment #223 @ 12:42 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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Slajer - Reply to #211

It does require some skill to jump up there. I'm pretty sure you didn't make rail jump on dm6 the first day.

The point here is myself and others like me will probably not spend hours to practice jumps we could already do in OSP.
Why not just make vq3 settings really vq3 :)

<< Comment #224 @ 12:47 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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ini - Reply to #223

CPMA VQ3 settings really are VQ3 that's why.

<< Comment #227 @ 13:23 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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Swing1oooK - Reply to #224

heh you'r right, VQ3 settings really aren't OSP VQ3 settings since that [email protected] (or 142) hax is part of every OSPers configs.

I got an other example dealing with the broken vq3 physics which OSPers are used to since ages :
try to reach the GL pillar thanks to the jumppad on prodm6 under OSP(125/125) then on CPMA. You'll always succeed on OSP (getting further)

Its nice to know that on cpma, everyone do not need to bother with their gfx/monitor rates. But I guess OSPers will not switch to vq3 cpma if they can't get their OSP125fps broken physics feeling...

Edited by 1oooK at 13:26 CDT, 17 July 2006

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<< Comment #243 @ 01:36 CDT, 19 July 2006 >>

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Hubster - Reply to #196

Congrats on this release Kevin.

<< Comment #191 @ 19:11 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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endi - Reply to #178

shut up stalin

<< Comment #197 @ 22:58 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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mkeiy - Reply to #178

haha man, that one is easy :/

<< Comment #166 @ 12:53 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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Abdul-Haweed - Reply to #158

no need to call people unskilled or whatsoever. And one jump isnt the point...

<< Comment #170 @ 13:44 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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tbone - Reply to #166

deja vu?

<< Comment #207 @ 06:42 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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Slajer - Reply to #97

If nature (or god if you like) would be a programer..we would still be a single celled organisms :)

Some defects should not be fixed imo.

<< Comment #106 @ 06:07 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #16

thanks.

<< Comment #15 @ 17:49 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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zfred

cpma seems really fun but "me" i still prefer osp

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<< Comment #21 @ 18:08 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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arQon - Reply to #15

*beats head against wall

No, you DON'T prefer OSP. What you prefer is *VQ3*.

VQ3 is Vanilla Quake 3 - the "out of the box" gameplay of Q3. It is NOT "OSP".

CPM is Challenge ProMode - a customised gameplay for Q3. It is NOT "CPMA".

OSP is mod that supports CPM, CQ3, and VQ3 gameplay, but defaults to VQ3.

CPMA is mod that supports CPM, CQ3, and VQ3 gameplay, but defaults to CPM.

I'm not sure if the number of people who still don't understand the difference after SIX YEARS is a testament to the "brand recognition" the two mods have acheived, or just the result of the continual misuse of the terms confusing one batch of players after another so that they then confuse the next batch, ad infinitum. :P

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<< Comment #23 @ 18:13 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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graumull - Reply to #21

you must be tired repeating yourself over and over again :)

<< Comment #34 @ 18:30 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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zfred - Reply to #23

he neednt repeat that again and again we arent all dumb and against him : )

its a great mod with more commands than osp and im really sad to prefer playing osp :)

<< Comment #41 @ 19:25 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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arQon - Reply to #34

:)

(/me appreciates the humour in that post, intended or otherwise)

Yes, I realise a lot of people are confused. That's why I post that statement every year or so, so that at least SOME of the next batch get it right. :P

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<< Comment #89 @ 04:55 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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dreg - Reply to #41

so, if you can't convince the osp herd to play promode with vq3, then why not just release promode (which defaults to vq3) again but under the guise of osp! people will love you for updating osp, and stop getting confused etc.

<< Comment #102 @ 05:53 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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zealot - Reply to #89

cpma-vq3 is different from osp (physics wise) and as much as the cpma team likes to make fun of everyone who doesn't play their mod they are aware of that fact :}

<< Comment #104 @ 05:57 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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ini - Reply to #102

99% of VQ3 players wouldn't even notice it if you didn't tell them.

<< Comment #111 @ 06:24 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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zealot - Reply to #104

90% of the ones that are able to do the b2r would notice... come on :)

<< Comment #113 @ 06:28 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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ini - Reply to #111

You mean 90% of the ones that are just about able to do it. I've never had a problem achieving a single jump in CPMA that I could do in OSP already (e.g. I still can't do the T2 tele jump thing but I don't play T2 so who cares :D).

The difference is so stupidly minimal it's amazing that anyone bothers to whine. It takes about one attempt to get used to the fixed physics. If you want to complain about how it changes stuff talk about the bouncepads as they are the major change really.

<< Comment #116 @ 06:46 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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rolf - Reply to #113

Enter the tele at the peak of your jump. In addition it's easier to do this with low fps (timing)

<< Comment #119 @ 06:52 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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ini - Reply to #116

I've only tried it like three times (ages ago), I literally never play T2 and don't plan to so it doesn't matter to me :D

<< Comment #140 @ 08:09 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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rolf - Reply to #119

Just because I reply to you doesn't mean that my advice was for you only.

<< Comment #159 @ 11:43 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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tbone - Reply to #119

With 125fps or pmove its stupidly easy, what I do is just pretend I'm doing a flick jump from the teleporter to one of the corners behind the teleporter. By the time you jump you're on the other side already jumping in the correct direction.

To answer the other guys, 125fps movement is pretty sloppy and buggy, and if you can't do the jumps on other fps settings then you just never learnt to do the jumps correctly in the first place.

<< Comment #139 @ 08:07 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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deotrip - Reply to #113

lol i hate that jump too. i manage the jump sometimes though, its weird :O

<< Comment #29 @ 18:24 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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zfred - Reply to #21

sorry i dont want to say that : )

I learn q3 thanks to osp and its very diffilcult "for me" to change for cpma (feeling, move, other commands......)

nice work btw, you seems more competent than raven team : )

<< Comment #32 @ 18:28 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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www.ninemil.com ' - Reply to #29

Is that a compliment or an insult? *everyone* is more competant than the raven team o_0

<< Comment #52 @ 21:44 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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sansai - Reply to #32

I'm not :'(
Couldn't utter the slightest code line. :(

<< Comment #64 @ 23:04 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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SyN - Reply to #52

what's worse, not being able to code or being able to code like raven... :o

<< Comment #107 @ 06:11 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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stier - Reply to #64

being you !

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SyN - Reply to #107

amaZing.

<< Comment #31 @ 18:28 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #21

Will you ever release CPMA as open source, perhaps when you are finished with public updates or in general?

<< Comment #33 @ 18:29 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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ini - Reply to #31

I expect they would rather "port" CPMA onto a standalone Q3 version so that they can keep their own code in tact and also allowing them to "dictate" the gameplay changes they want to make.

<< Comment #35 @ 18:32 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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trinion - Reply to #33

standalone cpma would be soooooooo awesome

<< Comment #43 @ 19:41 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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netrex - Reply to #33

Then they'd need to release all the assets CPMA use that are still copyrighted to id Software. id only released the source code of Q3, not it's assets AFAIK.

Though a version that needs the Q3 at install to copy all that is needed would be cool =)

<< Comment #44 @ 19:50 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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ini - Reply to #43

Or they need a standalone version (with custom assets or requiring Q3A discs) e.g. icculus.

<< Comment #55 @ 21:53 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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sansai - Reply to #21

shows well enough how default settings is something people can hardly get over, hence why War�ow can raise higher hopes (in terms of popularity and size of the community) as far as fast-paced DM is concerned, than a gameplay like promode which differs so deeply from the default gameplay of Quake 3.

Edited by sansai at 21:55 CDT, 15 July 2006

<< Comment #94 @ 05:00 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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Slasher][ - Reply to #21

Didnt know that, thanks.
But then again I have never played Quake, online atleast. I am taking up the loss with warsow now.

<< Comment #58 @ 22:38 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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cholie - Reply to #15

Idiot. CPMA supports VQ3.

<< Comment #68 @ 23:58 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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cumrag - Reply to #58

harsh you are...

<< Comment #76 @ 02:40 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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TUMULT - Reply to #58

And vice versa brainiac.

<< Comment #103 @ 05:54 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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zealot - Reply to #58

the idiot is you

<< Comment #108 @ 06:13 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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cholie - Reply to #103

How so?

<< Comment #114 @ 06:29 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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zealot - Reply to #108

To someone who simply said he prefers osp over cpma you replied with "Idiot. CPMA supports VQ3".

1) that's not what he meant
2) cpma.vq3 still != osp in some points
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3) Aren't you the guy who runs around here claiming he's that all enlightened and superb person thanks to his religion? Weren't you the one who told tbone(?) he's inferior cause of his lifestyle etc.?
Why the fuck do you need to insult someone who prefers a modification of quake3 over another?

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<< Comment #117 @ 06:47 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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cholie - Reply to #114

1) If that's not what he meant, my bad.
2) I can only think of one point and that's just physics.
3) I never said I was "enlightened" and "superb" nor am I religious.

<< Comment #122 @ 07:02 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #117

you are definitely religious!

<< Comment #126 @ 07:08 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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zealot - Reply to #117

2) The whole hud stuff bothers the lazy osp'ers (me)
3) I'm sorry then - I misunderstood this:

you thought christianity was all that bad and didnt even look further beyond it so you chose a simple yet corrupted way of life
&
I work closely with a scholar, several Imam's, I attend masjids, I present speech against misconceptions, and I attend the MSA (Muslim Students Association) workshop?
& and all your nice circular arguments about god/proof/islam/truth/etc. :/ you're really one weird atheist.

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<< Comment #129 @ 07:20 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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ini - Reply to #126

troll*

<< Comment #171 @ 14:05 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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cholie - Reply to #126

Haha, yes. I sound like an out-of-the-ordinary "Atheist". I am a knowledge seeker so even if something like religion doesn't appeal to my beliefs, I still look for knowledge in that area. But learning religion has taught me to be more wiser than thinking plainly.

What TBone did was judge religion as a whole before actually confirming each and every part of it is false. And when people do that, that upsets me. And lots of people do it without realizing. That's why I always say this: "You speak without knowledge." It irritates people but it's true.

Let this discussion go away...

<< Comment #198 @ 23:12 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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mkeiy - Reply to #171

Learning religion has taught you to be wiser?

<< Comment #201 @ 00:27 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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cholie - Reply to #198

That is true.

<< Comment #17 @ 17:56 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

By

Kizaru

#9
Warsow stole the idea from QW...

<< Comment #92 @ 04:57 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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TUMULT - Reply to #17

At least you are in deep... bullshit..
Promode was designed right after people playing Q3 demo start shouting it's too slow, and they want something faster like QuakeWorld with a little spicy from Q2 (rail, rail, rail!). And then it was released lansanity.. Whatever, who cares. Let's better play more promode!

Edited by freak_ at 05:09 CDT, 16 July 2006

<< Comment #147 @ 08:52 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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�ke Vader - Reply to #92

I think he was talking about the HUD thingie. :)

Edited by �ke Vader at 08:53 CDT, 16 July 2006

<< Comment #234 @ 12:41 CDT, 18 July 2006 >>

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endi - Reply to #17

lol bet least half of the nobs taking qw into these discussion never even played it

x is so stolen from qw !!
if u want x why not go play qw ??

<< Comment #235 @ 18:04 CDT, 18 July 2006 >>

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Kizaru - Reply to #234

I've been playing it for quite a while now. I'm just saying that if you claim CPMA stole a very common idea from Warsow, then Warsow stole the idea from QW (to my knowledge, the first game that you can do so).

<< Comment #237 @ 22:37 CDT, 18 July 2006 >>

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ix - Reply to #235

Doesn't an idea have to be 'not bleeding obvious in the first place' to be stolen?

<< Comment #238 @ 23:08 CDT, 18 July 2006 >>

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Kizaru - Reply to #237

I was making an analogy to point out someone's ignorance. Someone claimed "CPMA stole the idea from Warsow." That's not true because it's an idea from many games that allow a basic amount of customization. So, I used sarcasm and said "Warsow stole the idea from QW." Apparently I never edited the post to what I wanted to (blah, delay before it's approved). Sorry for the confusion.

<< Comment #240 @ 23:16 CDT, 18 July 2006 >>

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ix - Reply to #238

=)

<< Comment #20 @ 18:03 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

By

thelawenforcer

yeh, cpm is way funner than osp, thats coming from some1 who tried q3 online for the first time today

<< Comment #42 @ 19:36 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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Fortress - Reply to #20

for the first time? lol

<< Comment #112 @ 06:28 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #20

because it is easier to move with air-control. OSP needs more time to master and might you like it more at the end.

<bashing>

<< Comment #115 @ 06:37 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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.syL - Reply to #112

Pitiful attempt at a flame

<< Comment #118 @ 06:49 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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sansai - Reply to #115

I'm afraid the poor guy really means it.

<< Comment #131 @ 07:28 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #118

</bashing>

<< Comment #157 @ 11:26 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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thelawenforcer - Reply to #131

i prefer the fast paced ness of cpm, but also the movement, which imo doesnt make it any easier

<< Comment #169 @ 13:36 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #157

i was just teasing them ;)

imo both mods are good. Personally preferred OSP because had more players and is hard to play both. CPMA tends to make you hitting walls in OSP. Don't know if playing both of them a lot, makes the transition from one to the other easier, but didn't had much time to try it.

<< Comment #22 @ 18:10 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

By

Aaron

add: Hellchick's announcer sounds: "s_announcer hellchick"

?? :)

<< Comment #25 @ 18:18 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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.syL - Reply to #22

One thing is for sure, hearing "humiliation" in hellchick's icy voice actually feels...well...humiliating :)

<< Comment #27 @ 18:19 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #25

i set it, but it didn't work?

or maybe there isn't a voice for impressive?

<< Comment #28 @ 18:22 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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.syL - Reply to #27

I think you need to restart quake, at least I had to. afaik there are sounds for everything, just start a botgame and listen to the countdown to check

<< Comment #30 @ 18:25 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #28

aye, had to restart

I didn't read the docs, likely says it requires a restart in there :)

how comes these couldn't be added earlier? something in the source stopping?

<< Comment #36 @ 18:52 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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newborn - Reply to #30

We've had them - and permission to use them - for so so long. I think the thing stopping us has always been one or two announcer sounds we'd miss.

Hellchick Announcer v.2 seems likely though.

<< Comment #50 @ 20:43 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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bud - Reply to #25

hellchick ftw!

<< Comment #24 @ 18:16 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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Anonymous (p3EE3A4DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)

n1

<< Comment #37 @ 18:53 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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MarzenGold '

nice gimmick mod

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<< Comment #39 @ 19:11 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

By

rdmz

ur dumb ragnorak

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<< Comment #40 @ 19:21 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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Nafets

I don't play CPM, but that's no excuse for not [+]ing :)

<< Comment #45 @ 19:54 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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Anonymous (c-68-58-251-4.hsd1.sc.comcast.net)

well, when poeple mean osp over cpma, they arent talking about vq3. vq3 is horrible, but the physics, no. If ID released vq3 and the "features" that osp offers, then all would say, i play vq3. but since vq3 sucks, they say osp. and cpma generally refers to weirded out movement. (aaa yess...let the cpma'ers bash me for the movement comment i just made)*

*/me spreads his ass cheeks

<< Comment #46 @ 20:00 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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ini - Reply to #45

BaseQ3 = ID
OSP = VQ3 comp mod
CPMA = CPM comp mod which supports VQ3

VQ3 = Vanilla Quake 3 which is the default gameplay found within BaseQ3

<< Comment #60 @ 22:44 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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cholie - Reply to #46

HOWEVER, there is one very slight difference in physics in CPMA if you compare it to OSP. The jump distance seem to be shortened slightly. While I view this as a potential of increasing skill rather than relying on 125 FPS with a half ass circle jump, others will whine about it. Example: PRO-Q3DM6 - bridge jump to rail. IN VQ3, you will almost always make it. But in CPMA., you will fail a lot more. You have to perform a more "efforted" jump in order to make it.

<< Comment #63 @ 23:03 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #60

you will fail if you are utter shit

anyone who can't make that jump in CPMA VQ3 movement code needs shooting

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<< Comment #70 @ 00:19 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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cholie - Reply to #63

Did I say I failed them? No. I am speaking of the other OSP players where they whine mostly of this. I can make the jump 100% - better than any pro player.

^^^ Better than any pro player = lol

<3

<< Comment #199 @ 23:15 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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mkeiy - Reply to #63

you will fail if you are utter shit

ahahaha [+]

<< Comment #77 @ 03:18 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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noctis - Reply to #60

the bigger problem with cpma vq3 is imho that you can hear your enemy through out the whole map rather than the physics changes.

<< Comment #79 @ 03:42 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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cholie - Reply to #77

i'm deaf, how should i know?

<< Comment #80 @ 03:51 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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noctis - Reply to #79

:/

<< Comment #81 @ 04:03 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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sepht - Reply to #77

I'm pretty sure thats a setting you can change. Join/start a CPMA server, change to vQ3 gamemode.. and then just play with the Enhance Sound Option...

<< Comment #83 @ 04:33 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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arQon - Reply to #77

Shame YHO disagrees with, yknow, reality nstuff. :P

I'm so tired of this sort of bullshit getting recycled. Prove your claim, or retract it. Let's end this now so we don't have a dozen new muppets posting the same thing next week because "some guy said..."

<< Comment #84 @ 04:39 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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noctis - Reply to #83

as soon as i am back on my own pc, ill try to make a vid (with sound) that shows what i dont like. :x (and if i remember smth thats not existing anymore -> i am sorry that i complained :/)

<< Comment #88 @ 04:51 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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arQon - Reply to #84

Nothing personal - I just want the guy who's going to cite your comment as fact in August to see the "whoops, I was wrong" there too. :)

FYI, you don't need a vid: a demo will do fine. One really easy way is to callvote ITDM, add a bot to your team, then tell it to camp while you move around the map.

<< Comment #96 @ 05:18 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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noctis - Reply to #88

i guess a bot will just stand around and wont make a sound if i tell him to camp ;)

<< Comment #98 @ 05:26 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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arQon - Reply to #96

Hence ITDM. Railguns hum yknow... :P

<< Comment #226 @ 13:20 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #88

haven't played ztn in 1.33 yet, but in 1.32 you could for sure hear the opponent at lots of places you can't (and maybe shouldn't be able to) hear in osp, e.g. when standing at gl platform you can hear the opponent pick up stuff in ya-plasma room. just feels really weird.

<< Comment #241 @ 23:21 CDT, 18 July 2006 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #226

takes away from it :(

<< Comment #47 @ 20:29 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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vara - Reply to #45

arQon should repeat #15 every 10 seconds not once a year, guess he is too lazy for that lol

<< Comment #53 @ 21:50 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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sansai - Reply to #45

let's put it another way.

vQ3 & CPM (aka promode) are gameplays. A gameplay is a set of rules including physics, items, items properties, weapons, a weapon balance, and so on.

OSP and CPMA are mods which support (and fix) gameplays such as vQ3 and CPM.

Got it now ? :)

<< Comment #54 @ 21:52 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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TosspoT

arQon if you promise to make some form of TV for Quake 4 be it demo streaming via windows network, gtv or ettv style I will plus this post!

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<< Comment #59 @ 22:39 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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technics

nice update :)

<< Comment #61 @ 22:52 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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stunt.us

woot!

everyone should just switch to cpma. I don't mean the movement, us osp'ers can still do the vq3 movement in cpma. Atleast cpma is updated. When is the last time osp has been updated? I'd rather play vq3 in cpma than osp.

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<< Comment #65 @ 23:09 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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poindexter - Reply to #61

Now if the rest of the people playing osp would come to that conclusion...

<< Comment #71 @ 00:33 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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RabidDeathMoose - Reply to #61

It's also a helluva lot nicer for us 100ping bastards to play with the CPMA netcode.

<< Comment #74 @ 02:10 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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stunt.us - Reply to #71

ya, its alot easier to play with higher pings in cpma. Dunno what the problem is with osp. Id rather play 70+ ping in cpma than osp with 25.

<< Comment #78 @ 03:33 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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dvs - Reply to #74

vq3 has no lag compensation
that is what is wrong with it

<< Comment #73 @ 01:24 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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iliketuna - Reply to #61

osp needs updating?

<< Comment #93 @ 05:00 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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mth - Reply to #73

osp definately needs to update only if all q3 mods had the cpma net code :D

<< Comment #75 @ 02:18 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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primax - Reply to #61

we just need the servers

<< Comment #185 @ 15:15 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #61

agreed

<< Comment #62 @ 22:58 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

By

SyN

arQon rocks forever! Thank you guys and keep em coming?

<< Comment #66 @ 23:26 CDT, 15 July 2006 >>

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Jetal

Can't say any more good things about this game, the perfect game :)

<< Comment #82 @ 04:07 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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�ke Vader

You're all living in pleasantville!(c)arqon

<< Comment #86 @ 04:45 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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arQon - Reply to #82

That's some memory you've got. Did you ever get round to seeing the movie? :)

<< Comment #145 @ 08:42 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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�ke Vader - Reply to #86

I'm...not sure. :O I think i watched some CPMA movie but can't recall if it was The One. ;)

<< Comment #155 @ 11:14 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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son! - Reply to #145

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120789/

<< Comment #152 @ 10:43 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #86

is it the movie with the guy that plays Spiderman? Where they all live in black & white and he and his sister bring the color?

<< Comment #162 @ 12:23 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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fragmaster_ - Reply to #152

exactly, nice movie :)

Edited by fragmaster_ at 12:24 CDT, 16 July 2006

<< Comment #173 @ 14:13 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #162

meh, didn't like it that much :) too predictable..

<< Comment #188 @ 16:05 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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fragmaster_ - Reply to #173

we saw it during a preperation event for our upcoming exchange year, to show us that not everythings nice when you go to a new place etc. it matched pretty good imho :)

<< Comment #90 @ 04:56 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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Levi215

I guess what is needed now is for all leagues to say "hey we're gonna use CPMA in vq3 mode for this cup" then people will update it and set the default vq3 settings, and probably never look back.

<< Comment #99 @ 05:28 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #90

Yeah and when the leagues try to do that all the players will go mad and whine and whine and whine and whine because they don't see a reason to change now that they all got a 15ms connection and 300fps machine, and they can't be arsed to adapt to the new jump height. This is for the few percent who actually understand that 'vq3' means same gameplay as 'OSP' even though it's in CPMa.

<< Comment #91 @ 04:56 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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dreg

you should add q4 mode or something for the hell of it, so we can crouch slide \o/. or will that turn promode into a gimmick mod?:|

Edited by dreg at 04:56 CDT, 16 July 2006

<< Comment #105 @ 06:03 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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Nzr0 ' - Reply to #91

why the hell do you need that homo crouchslide when you have air contro?!?!?!

<< Comment #121 @ 07:01 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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dreg - Reply to #105

like an extra gametype dudeeeee, crouch slide rocks :)

<< Comment #124 @ 07:03 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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zeicon - Reply to #121

would be nice to have crouchslide in the VQ3 version of CPMA =)

<< Comment #134 @ 07:46 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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.syL - Reply to #124

Crouch sliding, the poor man's aircontrol :)

<< Comment #100 @ 05:46 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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rolf

Not bad

<< Comment #133 @ 07:41 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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HeavyD

Just a random thought and probably the wrong news post but when everyone is talking about 125 frames and different tweaks to improve gameplay, we all know that these would have to be added to a GUI as there is no console allowed for CPL?

I've never played Q3 but just something to think about should this game getting chosen, there is going to need to be a massive GUI change otherwise everyone is sitting with default frames and default a lot of things.

<< Comment #136 @ 08:01 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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arQon - Reply to #133

It's kinda OT, but since you asked: I'm the Project Lead for Q4MAX as well as CPMA - we know all about the GUI-only rule. :P

<< Comment #180 @ 14:47 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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Anonymous (ip68-9-75-34.ri.ri.cox.net) - Reply to #136

make a gui window for the console :o

<< Comment #138 @ 08:02 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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ini - Reply to #133

First it needs to get picked for CPL I think :)

<< Comment #142 @ 08:27 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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noctis - Reply to #133

If they also start with this gui only bullshit in q3, they shall burn in hell.

<< Comment #143 @ 08:30 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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HeavyD - Reply to #142

Start? Everytime it has been GUI only except for the early stages of CPL (Before it was named CPL) I believe.

<< Comment #144 @ 08:38 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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noctis - Reply to #143

cofings were ALWAYS allowed in every q3 tourney, including CPL. (they only had that strange no picmip over 5 rule). And it was already named CPL when they still had q3 :)

<< Comment #146 @ 08:45 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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Mogul - Reply to #142

Actually, the GUI-only rule would be a very good way to get all of the OSP players to switch to CPM's implementation of vq3. OSP is finished, and it's not getting an update, though CPM.vq3 is still being worked on.

IF CPL chooses Quake III, and says it needs a GUI, well, not to put words in arQon's mouth, or accept assignments FOR him, my guess is that he would actually go through the trouble of getting a solid GUI going for CPMA so that the vq3 competition(s) would start using it.

At that point, all competitive q3 players switch, we get the repaired/working version of Quake III FINALLY, and everyone's happy.

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<< Comment #153 @ 10:53 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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Because - Reply to #146

+5 Insightful slashdot style.
And a [+] to boot.

Just last night I was trying to help a friend set up everything
to start playing CPMA, and I realized how nice it would be if promode
had a comprehensive gui that equal'd q4max.

There's a lot of stuff that new comers have to research just to get to
a level of playability that the old schooler's enjoy. I think helping the
noobs get their feet in the door by not overwhelming them with tons
of shit about tons of cvars etc could only be a good thing...

<< Comment #161 @ 11:59 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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Brahl - Reply to #153

exactly what i like in a game now, not having to trawl through .txt docs finding cvars and tweaking out of game to find what you like but easily doen through in game GUI, i LOVE the profile system in q4max as well.

<< Comment #179 @ 14:40 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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Because - Reply to #161

Yeah.
Anybody reading this have any experience manipulating arQon
to do your bidding?

<< Comment #229 @ 15:48 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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imbaczek - Reply to #179

Yeah, your best bet is probably a freakin' big hammer ;)

<< Comment #149 @ 09:06 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

By

flu1d

Remember guys, first tournament using 1.33 starts this week!
http://tourney.cpmpickup.com/

We should have gtv for most matches, so idle in #cpmpickup!

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<< Comment #164 @ 12:32 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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fragmaster_

1st time cpma today.
why is my crosshair pink tho its supposed to be white? cg_crosshaircolor doesnt change anything somehow :/

<< Comment #165 @ 12:50 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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qtip - Reply to #164

i think its ch_crosshaircolor

search quake3/cpma/changelog.txt, its all in there

<< Comment #168 @ 13:12 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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fragmaster_ - Reply to #165

ah ty!
youre right, its ch not cg :>

works now! thanks!

<< Comment #167 @ 13:01 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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bxz - Reply to #164

use ch_crosshaircolor 7, because if you use "white" then it takes letter "w" which is pink.

Edited by bxz at 13:02 CDT, 16 July 2006

<< Comment #172 @ 14:05 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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!2ocksteady

My question is, with 1.33 breathing some new life into cpma, and with the chance for q3 to come back into the limelight, how open will the (notoriously elitist) existing community be to helping new players to adapt and acclimatize?

<< Comment #174 @ 14:19 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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HeavyD - Reply to #172

Not adding much but just to say I also would like to see how that would turn out. New to DM as I am for Quake 4 I could easily get a game just cause there wasnt that attitude yet, but Quake 3 might sing a different tune.

Nothing bigger way to kill growth then by talking crap just because you destroy a new player.

Edited by HeavyD at 14:20 CDT, 16 July 2006

<< Comment #176 @ 14:29 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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!2ocksteady - Reply to #174

It's not that. It's just that some cpm players simply aren't willing to help you at all. They'll chat-frag you all the way to 50 as you try and ask them for tips on movement, where to find a decent config/tweak site... hell, even what their truelightning preference is. And it's not even that way in OSP. Just cpma. =/ ... And like I've said before, the biggest barrier to cpma is its complexity. Help new players to get set up and learn the game, and the mod will see a resurgence in popularity.

<< Comment #187 @ 15:28 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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Kr33p - Reply to #176

I've never met a friendlier community than CPMA's back when I needed to learn how to do stuff. I remember the first time I went into a server-someone named ix walked me through the movement and taught me the basics of the CPMA physics and how to gain speed by strafe jumping around corners. This took him more than just 10 minutes to explain and he was very friendly and helpful.

Later, I asked in a cpma channel how to do a jump from the stairs to the RA on cpm22 (Aerowalk) and someone went to the lengths of providing me a demo of how to do it.

I'm not saying that there aren't people in the CPMA community that do what you've said - I'm sure there are, but the same holds for every fucking community for every game. Every game has its insecure, shit-eating trolls that ruin the game for others, but I'm just giving me two cents here saying that the CPMA community most definitely isn't all what you claim it to be.

Edited by Kr33p at 15:29 CDT, 16 July 2006

<< Comment #204 @ 05:47 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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ashr - Reply to #187

i totally agree with you. shaun from #cpma.na spent a long time helping me with the movement. apart from that, i've never seen a community that is as much fun as cpma's.

<< Comment #216 @ 08:34 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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flu1d - Reply to #176

There is a huge difference in the American community vs the European community...

<< Comment #231 @ 17:43 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #176

Ehmm? Doesn't sound like my promode at all, maybe you've struck upon some isolated mini-community in the states that sucks, or you've been talking to people who don't know english.

Edited by voodoochopstiks at 17:44 CDT, 17 July 2006

<< Comment #236 @ 22:19 CDT, 18 July 2006 >>

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MUNG>esh - Reply to #231

what he's describing sounds more like the NA osp scene.

<< Comment #200 @ 23:26 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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mkeiy - Reply to #174

I think thats because in q4 the old guard were alot more reclusive.

In osp if you were a good player more than half the time you woul under an alias to avoid people speaking to you or just playing with mates under different names for shits and giggles. With Quake4 people began to stop giving a shit about their names and such and just played normally.

Should CPMA become the next big thing (again) I don't think you'll find that stigma so apparent more or less due to the fact that the CPMA community has ALWAYS wanted more players and were always (in my experience) more supportive of newer players.

<< Comment #175 @ 14:29 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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Pushpabon - Reply to #172

CPMA community is very helpful and friendly indeed. The elitism you might encounter is more of knowing the facts and possibly advertising them in an aggressive way than hating newbies. Try channels #cpma.na & #promode in quakenet.

<< Comment #177 @ 14:32 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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!2ocksteady - Reply to #175

I'll agree that if you seek out help hard enough you can find it, but more often than not what you get is a chat-frag and no answer at all as opposed to something constructive.

<< Comment #181 @ 14:49 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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Pushpabon - Reply to #177

I highly doubt that. Maybe in usa you get all rude shit but there are tons of helpful people willing to give you configs, show you demos, moves in servers, duel you, give you advise. I've experienced this and have also helped people.

<< Comment #184 @ 15:13 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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!2ocksteady - Reply to #181

You might just be right, but I can only speak with respect to the community before me.

Like I said, it's only been in cpma. Not osp, q4, ut, and especially not warsow. It's a shame because there are ALOT of players who would love what cpma has to offer, but they just need help to get through the red tape and they're simply not getting it.

For alot of people cpm is the best game they never played.

Edited by !2ocksteady at 15:14 CDT, 16 July 2006

<< Comment #182 @ 14:54 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

By

ntoo

now the only thing missing is cpma bots that play vq3
so cpma would be the all in one mod

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<< Comment #189 @ 16:59 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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~turtle - Reply to #182

Shouldn't it be called OSP then?

<< Comment #190 @ 17:06 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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Brahl - Reply to #189

no because it's not Orange Smoothie, it's promode ...

<< Comment #192 @ 19:11 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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endi

i heard drex played cpma before ANYBODY

<< Comment #195 @ 20:11 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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rolf - Reply to #192

Older than time itself, m8

<< Comment #218 @ 09:29 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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Drexciyian - Reply to #192

This is true

<< Comment #193 @ 19:43 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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Kr33p

I just reinstalled q3 and installed cpma, and whenever I try to start a multiplayer game on LAN it says "awaiting connection...0" for a second and then it exits back to the menu

wtfffffffffffff

<< Comment #194 @ 19:58 CDT, 16 July 2006 >>

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MaJunior - Reply to #193

The error should be somewhere in your console, if you scroll up (you have to scroll quite a bit) you will see it. My first guess would be that you don't have all 7 map packs.

<< Comment #202 @ 03:15 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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Cugel

Anyone got any links to movement guides? The one on cpma.org.uk seems to be dead.

<< Comment #203 @ 03:28 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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kmt - Reply to #202

just get this map http://poub.noobs-anonymous.net/b0_beta6.zip and try your best, it's easier to have someone in a server with you to learn stuff like stair double jumps and teleporter jumps :)

<< Comment #205 @ 05:53 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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ashr - Reply to #202

http://shaun.revolution.pl/2005/09/17/tutorial-demos/

there you go. pity i don't see shaun online on irc too much these days. i'm sure he would have shown you around. maybe you can ask some other people at #cpma.na

i would show you some stuff myself but i'm sure you can find someone who's a lot better than i am. in case you can't, i'd be glad to help :)

<< Comment #230 @ 15:49 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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Cugel - Reply to #205

Thanks

<< Comment #206 @ 06:29 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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Sephir0th

geez, never played cpma, but since i think q4 killed deathmatch games, i thought i'd give something new a try and felt really compelled to type /quit after 5 minutes, god what an awful game, i prefer osp or ra3 anyday to this

even warsow is better

Edited by Sephir0th at 06:30 CDT, 17 July 2006

13%

<< Comment #210 @ 07:17 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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Levi215 - Reply to #206

Probably because you haven't learnt to move or anything, and or get raped at it.

<< Comment #214 @ 07:53 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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arQon - Reply to #210

If he'd learnt to move, and learnt tactics, and learnt strategy all in 5 minutes, he'd be the most naturally-gifted FPS player ever. :P

Given the "RA3" comment, he may need to learn about items and the very CONCEPT of deathmatch as well - there are a surprising number of CA/CTFS newbies out there who are baffled when they don't spawn with all the weapons and armor. Seriously.

3%

<< Comment #212 @ 07:31 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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MaJunior - Reply to #206

[+]

Edited by MaJunior at 08:10 CDT, 17 July 2006

<< Comment #213 @ 07:37 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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ini - Reply to #206

CPMA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Warsow

By a mile :/

12%

<< Comment #232 @ 17:55 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #213

three miles

<< Comment #233 @ 09:39 CDT, 18 July 2006 >>

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Lith - Reply to #232

maybe not three miles but too far to walk in this heat

<< Comment #215 @ 08:09 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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endi - Reply to #206

[+]

<< Comment #239 @ 23:16 CDT, 18 July 2006 >>

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ix - Reply to #206

What put you off after 5 minutes of play?

<< Comment #242 @ 00:34 CDT, 19 July 2006 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #206

try to find a beginner or someone of your skill level to play against, few games are fun against someone that slaps you silly without effort.

<< Comment #217 @ 09:06 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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The Stig

I stick to the old osp. It works perfectly fine plus it's not made by arQon :P

<< Comment #219 @ 09:31 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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zealot - Reply to #217

it is (kinda)

<< Comment #220 @ 09:37 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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The Stig - Reply to #219

Now I feel dirty.

<< Comment #221 @ 10:46 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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zealot - Reply to #220

:)

<< Comment #222 @ 10:48 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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funnyb

om arqon vore en hest, vore han en snel hest

<< Comment #225 @ 13:00 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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MAKO

is vq3 voting enabled by default?

<< Comment #228 @ 15:10 CDT, 17 July 2006 >>

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Pushpabon - Reply to #225

Enabled by default, quite probably. Haven't encountered a server where you can't play vq3.

<< Comment #244 @ 12:50 CDT, 21 July 2006 >>

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marshmallow

Should just make vq3 in cpma default and that will solve most of the whine's from us osp'ers.

-wow just played cpm vq3. Looks and plays super professional. This definetly is the mod we need to switch to. Just imagining vq3/cpm tdm made me so happy.

Edited by marshmallow at 12:55 CDT, 21 July 2006

<< Comment #245 @ 08:14 CST, 12 December 2006 >>

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satan03

idiots you are