i just got a ryzen 2600 and i get way better performance in QC.

I hope you're aware that the latency being discussed there is measured in ns (nanoseconds).
Effect isn't that noticeable in games.

But yeah, avoid cheap rams.

Im gonna buy the Trident Z Neo one, hopefully thati s decent ram.

Im gonna buy the Trident Z Neo one, hopefully thati s decent ram.

Have you noticed the games in question where these latency issues occur? Do you plan on playing said games? Also keep in mind Anandtech is a very pro Intel outlet. They don't straight up lie but context is important. Don't take what they say as gospel

its a 4chan /g/ quote

It's a quote from anandtech

Im not basing this off anything but my experience but QC seems like it's all CPU and RAM timing/channel based. IE: I went from 16gb single channel to 32gb dual channel and my fps literally doubled... Almost as much as if I upgraded couple generations of graphics cards. Also with my new PC, I went from 2666mhz ram to 3600mhz ram and with ryzen, again my fps is literally 60-100 more in ffas. I have no other way to describe why, but I'm assuming it's ram/CPU heavy game.

I remember this thread from way back.

https://bethesda.net/community/topic/192247/m...ct-on-fps/

Check out the graphs, which seem to back up what you are saying.

Well yeah, QC being CPU heavy has been discussed since the beginning.
Slow ram will prevent your CPU from being fully used (check CPU usage). As long as you have somewhat decent GPU (and are running on low details) CPU will be the bottleneck.

Also, QC is using all 6 cores on my i5.

havent seen any benchmarks, just posting that quote to discuss.

Dude, you are using a WMO in 2019. You don't need to care about Ryzen's 0.1% lows, your mouse button lag is a much bigger problem, lmfao.
After that you should be worried that my mobile phone has better hardware than your computer.
If you don't like what Ryzen has to offer, just buy an Intel instead of spaming the internet with paranoid trash you don't even understand:
https://www.esreality.com/post/2946709/anyone...microlags/
https://www.reddit.com/r/QuakeChampions/comme...evant_for/
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1134852-...-practice/
Getting babysitted by internet forums, lol.

Anyway, on topic:
This also affects other core combinations, that aren't in the same core pack, but in the same manner as the Ryzens not fully reaching their advertised boost clocks, it doesn't matter.
The performance is there, look at the fucking benchmarks, nobody cares which cores were involved or what clocks they were running at, the Ryzens deliver and that is what matters.

Yes, the next Ryzens 4xyz will be the last generation on the AM4 platform, which makes it a reasonable strategy to buy a cheap (but still good) Ryzen like 2600, 2700 or 3600 (low/mid range) with overkill RAM/MoBo now with the plan to later upgrade to 4xyz (high end) when those turn cheap (after the new generation 5xyz+ gets released on AM5).
I always recommend to NOT buy the current generations high end models, because they are overpriced and about to heavily drop in price over time; just look at the price curves of the 2xyz parts, they now cost roughly the half of their release prices.
You will get a much better performance/price-ratio when you buy Ryzens from the last generation's high end or the current generation's mid range.
The only exception where it makes sense to buy the current high end, is professional usage. (Which excludes you by default, because you survive with 10 year old hardware and your only performance concern is a 20 year old dead game.)
Other aspects to consider are:
- X570 is expensive, has annoying active cooling and most people don't need PCI 4.0
- B450 needs a BIOS Update for Ryzen 3xyz and it is unclear how good mainboard manufacturers/AMD will make it work with Ryzen 4xyz
- B550 will be released in february 2020 (afaik)
- only retards tailor their new computer built to a dead game
- only massive retards buy a currently new, rare and overpriced workstation-CPU for gaming

i just got a 2600
asrock x470 master sli/ac
16 gb 2400 ram (15,15,15,38)

works great.
had fx8350 oc'd @ 4.3 ghz
asus m5a99fx 2.0
8gb 2133

new pc stomps the old one. massive boost for QC

same gfx card... gtx 970

In Germany your 3 new parts cost roughly 300€ all together, which is about 1/3th of what he wants to spend on his workstation-CPU alone, lmfao.
I bet that with a little bit of microstutter/latency-scarecrowing, we can convince him into buying a current generation Threadripper for gaming.
Or we unleash the p0rt, who will talk him into buying active RAM cooling.

i got

ryzen 2600
16 gb ram
psu
mobo and ssd for $530 usd

thats tax and shipping included

cheapest ive ever spent.

I have a freind who just spent $1600 on a single Ryzen 3 motherboard. Dont worry tho its actully worth $2500 so hes saving money.

isnt australia burning down?
where will he plug it in?

i use my pc for talking shit and drawing so i dont need much power

Lol? I just watched a video about this exact topic today:
The video compares the AMD's 2600, 3600, 3900X with Intel's 9900K, it shows that with such a low budget GPU (like the RX 580, or your GTX 970) the CPUs deliver the same in most titles, because the GPU becomes your bottleneck.

But to be fair, even with such a low budget GPU there will be some CPU-differences when playing a 20 year old game with graphics set to "Lego", because then the CPU has slightly less to deal with while you are heavily shifting the GPU bottleneck.

QC is cpu heavy so its an upgrade from an fx 8350 which i had oc'd at 4.3 ghz.
the psu fried. havent checked to see if my old rig still works.
cpu was good at oc'ing. could hit 5 ghz at less than stock voltage but had terrible cooling.
pretty sure it was was one of the last batches before the fx9590.

not oc'ing the new shit.

i actually dont play games at all anymore lol.
just use ubuntu and krita

QC is cpu heavy ...

That is not what I meant.

Overclocking is just a couple of clicks with AMD Ryzen Master, but for your use case I also don't see the need.

i know what you meant...
gpu bottleneck.
gpu doesnt matter to much in qc unless you run ultra settings.

for qc ram and cpu matter.

QL should run well on anything these days.

I do music and video editing so I will need a strong hardware, I not only play quake. Im also into sim racing. Eventually will buy a valve index.

Your strategy will lead to more "just wait a bit more bro" (reason why I have somehow managed to stretch my computer for 10 years)

How annoying is the active cooling on the new board?

Dude, you are using a WMO in 2019.

Not argument. Not my fault there is no such thing as wmo replacement in 2020

I do music and video editing ...

On a Q6600 with 4c/4t at 2,4 GHz from 2007? Cool story.

Your strategy will lead to more "just wait a bit more bro"

Why don't you read, what I actually wrote, until you understand it? Try it:
"a reasonable strategy to buy a cheap (but still good) Ryzen like 2600, 2700 or 3600 (low/mid range) with overkill RAM/MoBo now"

The active cooling is pretty annoying, if you factor in that you basically gain nothing for a higher price, except an additional possibility of failure:
The cooling is needed for the PCI-4.0-capability of the MoBo's chipset. PCI 4.0 is currently only used for high end SSDs that suffer from their own controller's limitations + thermal throttling and questionable real world performance gains, no matter how well the MoBo's chipset is cooled. So you gain basically nothing.

But the small fans are predestine for noise and getting broken after eating enough dust, making them an additional point of failure that possibly moves your whole MoBo into the trash bin.

Dude, you are using a WMO in 2019 2020. You don't need to care about Ryzen's 0.1% lows, your mouse button lag is a much bigger problem, lmfao.

That is a valid argument, you are just too clueless to understand it, in the same manner as you are too obtuse to realise that you are physically unable to reach the low speed limits of a shit mouse:
https://www.esreality.com/post/2939229/2019-j...pid2943361

On a Q6600 with 4c/4t at 2,4 GHz from 2007? Cool story.

Yes, yes I do. Ignored the rest of the post by implying im bullshitting.

Everyone with a x570 says the fans are silent.

Coming from a q6600 why you dont just look at second hand gear.

You can see entire i7 4770 or i5 4650 systems with case, good psu and gfx. Entire systems they are going like $400-$600 about now.

So I can stretch the computer i buy for another 10years so i can forget about it.

get a 3xxx series and an x570 mobo.
you could upgrade just the cpu in 2 yrs since 4xxx will be compatible with the socket etc.

What does this MEAN on practice? Do those modern computers really add some sort of added ms due too many cores? pornjk porn800 redtube

not the cpu's but the programs themselves.

would seem faster to split work of an app between 8 cores but everything going on has to be timed together.
thats where unintended latencies come in.

This thread makes anyone with some bare half-assed understanding of chip design and computation LOL.

The described phenomenon, if it exists, will have an effect somewhere in the microsecond, nanosecond range. "Lags" like that exist anywhere in the computational chain, like from core to cache, from CPU to RAM, from CPU to GPU, etc. As games are concerned, these "lags" simply determine how many FPS you have. If everything is "lag free", then your PC would be infinitely fast and you would have infinite FPS.

Worry about your internet connection. Worry about the netcode. Maybe worry about your mouse. Practice a lot. Don't worry about the intricacies of chip design, lol.

Wrong, the x570 fans are mostly silent, specially if you build inside a silent case like Fractal's. The MSI/Gigabyte ones don't even spin on idle.

If you want to stretch your build long term except the GPU, the x570 extra features will be handy vs x470.

I've had computers for 8+ years, fans never broke, and those were the times of old shitty cases. Modern cases have filters and barely get any serious accumulations of dust.

So no, it's stupid to buy a x470 if you buy a x3950, and there's no point in waiting anymore since he's working with an old ass computer.