Show me on the doll where CPMA touched you.

I love playing cpma but its boring to watch because its quite brainless

Brainless? How?

I'm guessing he's one of those "it's too fast to strategize" folk

can you stfu you whiny little bitch

Definitely not the best, but way better than the n+1th iteration of evil choking against rapha while having effectively already won.

It will never get old...

I mean if it wouldn't be dead.

[11:51 PM] gSTRUCTOR: immortal is so weird
[11:51 PM] gSTRUCTOR: socially retarded for sure
[11:54 PM] gSTRUCTOR: im not mad at all, its just that he does weird thiings, now he kind of tried to rob part of the attention of clawz with a clumsy hug

he was simply happy for his teammate, SO weird

I agree.

in what way is that socially retarded? he'd won a shit load of money, his team trained together and no doubt put loads of work into accomplishing the win.

displaying joy and hugging etc is the most natural thing ever to do in this situation.

By no means am I saying he's socially retarded, I'm just pasting what he said because it's a damn cunt thing to say.

I know man, but I'm sure he's reading the thread and can respond:)

And how cuntish of you is to bring that discord comment here?

Does it matter? Have some integrity and stand by what you said.

Lol. it was a random comment but vidje cant stop making it as big as possible, he was calling me butthurt when its obvious who the butthurt one is, when he even brings the comment here.

I have utmost respect for latrommi, amazing player and never heard anything bad about him. But i saw many times during quakecon were he kind of forced himself to act as a extrovert. Thats all folks.

lg magnet

lg being op made it a shitty final imo

Greatest game of all times wat u expect m8?

first quakecon in 10 years or so that eu didn't have to wait up 'till 5am to watch the finals

shame we have to do it anyway tonight to watch the mayweather fight :P

Only a QC fan would buy into that retarded bullshit. Oh wait.

it's free money 25% return on investment, got £1k on it.

what did u bet on

mayweather win (points/tko/ko/dq)
know someone who put £10,000 on it
also there's plenty of businessmen who put £100k+ on

am i retarded or did someone give unbelievably good odds

1.25 / 1.30 was consistently available so basically 25%+ profit guaranteed

like in uk or worldwide? those seems to be incredible generous to conor mcgregor. did people actually bet on mcgregor to win?

worldwide, lots of people bet on Mcgregor to win - the bookies made *lots* of money off UFC fans who believed he had a chance and also further incited them with extremely generous sign up odds for the fight

i mean its generous to say its a longshot that mcgregor would win but okay xd

bookies odds are largely determined by where the money is going, the delusional mma fans brought the odds up.

it was a once in 20 year opportunity for free money.

I've made other large bets on boxing (canelo/kahn, several audley harrison fights) but nothing has been such a dead cert.

I put £500 on Mayweather, was nice lul ez monies

fuck I hate all these noobs who call it cpma

Nzr0 fighting the forever war

my friend you have been living in the most fragile of glasshouses.

Eh?

It's simply Reflex.

arena

I loved the Sacrifice finals. They were very intense! I was really rooting for Tox and his crew to win, but 2z played extremely solid so in the end I didn't feel dissapointed with them taking the money. It was well deserved. Same for Clawz taking the finals, this kid is really brilliant.

Brings a mash of Cyphers tricks, Evils agression and Serious' LG. Just a relentless player, no mercy given.

Lots of big names, also from other games (Hypno, Hell, VoO) made it also interesting. The production was good too, I felt the videos and trailers really added to the atmosphere. Also 2 Dutchies in finals made me proud!

All in all this Quakecon suprised me and changed my opinion about QC. It is Quake after all, and has massive potential to become a big one if things get tackled fast (netcode, sound et cetera). I shall try to unbecome a nay-sayer, wish me luck!

P.S. I felt some remorse about making fun of Willits so much the last couple of months. He might look like he's smug and all, but I really think he does love Quake and wants it to succeed very much. This happened right before the duel or sac finals with the vid about him telling about the origin of e-sports and how it all began with Quake.

Yeah, this Quakecon changed my mind about a lot of stuff. I even feel like playing Quake again, which I haven't for the last couple of months seeing how QC was when it came out.

Big thumbs up to everyone who made this event happen.

Production first day with tons of interesting matches missed, audio out of sync etc wasnt so good.

Yes true, I agree on this. But lot's of things did go well, and if you compare it to other Quakecons, this one felt least bland of all, especially last couple of years. It gave me a positive feeling.

You got to have atleast somewhat of the same feeling, right?

This had to be one of the better QuakeCon finals imo in past recent years, new and refreshing to see new finalists into a Quake game.

the only thing i liked about this is that there's no delayed times, no "bawls chugging" and no mini games or t shirt throwing that most QuakeCons have been plagued with.

Although i do miss what kind of case mods they bought out to the byoc tho that's a thing.

I am excited how ever to see how next year will roll out, i will be attending next year's qcon in both (maybe) tournaments and BYOC so lets see how that works.

the only good things for me its i didn't have to wait 4 o'clock in the morning for watch the final for the rest was a big meh, this quakecon showed how the game is not ready for esport lol

better format...

10 min duels 10 champs.
or 10 min 5 champs cycled twice.

can make quick games... longest game (10 min) still shorter than longest b03 (25 min?)
no break in momentum.

77777777

Its a good final...so glad new player won it...

Disagree man, it was awesome some underdog won it

100 percent agree.

The result is good but that doesnt speak for the matches themselves

It wasnt an amazing final to be honest, but I enjoyed watching. I think duel still needs a lot of work

I guess it is because the game is pretty new, after some updates patches etc it will make a better game.

Quakecon has always sucked.

There have definitely been worse finals.

The 2003 grand final between Zero4 and Zamus was a particular travesty.

Could be, I only every followed QL Quakecons. Please tell me more about the z4/zamus final, Im curious!

Quakecon 2003 had the rule that all maps were chosen randomly, no eliminations or player picks etc. Even if the same players meet twice in the double elimination bracket, if the same map is picked again they have to play it again.

In the grand final Zamus is a strong favourite given the map pool, but Zero4 is much better on DM6. Both times DM6 is picked. Zero4 wins easily.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwecjfmEgUs

That is indeed terrible, but funny as fuck in hindsight.

On the other hand, Clawz win in a dumbed down Quake is just terrible, and not funny at all, even in hindsight.

q3 wasn't dumbed down?

Man u play cpma, the most brainless version of Q3, but I admire ur passion :d

Ignorance is bliss.

considered writing a column on qw vs cpma or q3 vs cpma?

with so much qc crappery i would definitely use an old drama as a refresher

Might be a good idea seeing as how I'm in the minority which knows what the fuck cpma, cpm, vq3, cq3, osp and so on stand for.

Instaswitch, Xerp and aircontrol are blisses. Responding with "ignorance is bliss" as a counter is... bliss too, I guess.

I'm sorry I confronted your misguided views on q3. But you should learn some history - q3 was never developed or aimed at whatever semblance of esports the time period had. On the contrary, it was aimed at people such as yourself. People who equate removing mechanics with adding tactics or strategy or whatever the fuck. The reality is you're just removing mechanics. The decisions stay the same. Hell, if anything they suffer too, because those mechanics open up more options to you as a player, tactically.

"The reality is you're just removing mechanics. The decisions stay the same. Hell, if anything they suffer too, because those mechanics open up more options to you as a player, tactically."

The reality is, the removal of said mechanics made Q3 tactically more challenging. But lets agree to disagree, I think, you've surely had this discussion before.

terrible post

And responding with anger is a good post?

No, it didn't. It only made tactics more important by straying away from mechanics. It makes tactics matter more by relativity, not by adding actual tactics. The same way removing all the health and armor pickups would not make the game any more mechanically challenging.

But you literally removed map armor pickups by having a tiered system...And instaswitch denies weapon-selection. And you can hardly call weapon-selection mechanics. Even if you do, it still is tactically important, by predicting the enemies movement and infight behaviour.

Tiered armors do not remove armors even figuratively. And how does instaswitch deny weapon selection? If anything it is denied by having a delay. Because that delay punishes you for changing weapons mid-fight.

They are literally removed since you cant pick them up and control even the small armors, if you have full control. Instaswitch removes the aspect that I just named, the prediction element of knowing how a fight will play out. Theres a delay? Its minimal tho, ok.

Look, I don't even think cpm is bad, I have huge respect for what I saw in some tourneys (vo0, ghelleshak, kong or whatever his name was), and the original post (thread starter) was supposed to be more of a joke than an insult. I thought people would talk about how lame this Quakecon was thanks to QC's state, so I do regret that I went for the cheap laughs.

I bet there have been tactically deep games in cpm at some point, but I think the game doesn't necessarily reward them as much as good aimers. All the top players from recent years (terifire, gaia, hal9000) that I watched seemed quite tactically inept, especially when you compare them to QL top players.

I suggest you watch some Vo0 demos, especially from the 2008 winter shivers cup. You'll see lots of armor denial (selfdamaging to be able to pick up lower tier armors).

Can you explain what you mean when you say gaiia, hal, and myself are tactically inept?

Instaswitch removes the aspect that I just named, the prediction element of knowing how a fight will play out. Theres a delay? Its minimal tho, ok.

Ok, explain. How does having 0 ms delay remove that prediction element?

They are literally removed since you cant pick them up and control even the small armors, if you have full control.

I don't think you know what "literally" means. They are there. You can damage yourself to pick them up. Or you can choose to fight your enemy so he can get you down to where you can pick them up. Tactical much? Did I just blow your mind?

Hmm it seems to me that you simply don't see and understand how brain is involved in cpm. Have you considered the possibility that you simply lack the knowledge and understanding to play cpm?

It seems to me like you are 'suffering' from the Dunning-Kruger effect. And just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's actually there.

I can assure you that smart play, tactics, strategy, all that is definitely very important in cpm.

Lmfao...

So Zamus. a European player. who was the favourite considering the map pool, had to play the same map twice against Zero4, an American who was much better on that map, at Quakecon?

I wonder how random this really was :D

i think it's totally legit if sponge implemented the randomizer

also mandatory
http://wasdarwinwrong.com/images/464988a-i1.0.jpg

even better is that everybody else got their prize money straight away, but it took Zamus like two years to get his cash thanks to some Swedish tax law bullshit :)

there were q1,q2, and ql byoc tourneys for $10,000 1st prize each.
Rapha could have still been champ and moneys.