"I discuss the greatness of United States of America Johnathan "Fatal1ty" Wendel in the context of people in the community down-playing his accomplishments."


Meh. Nobody does that, actually. People talk shit about him because of his character. Like raging in a public tier3 FFA game, and taking every frag hilariously personal, for example.

If theres anybody who downplayed his accomplishments, its actually John himself, by showing the world what a huge insecure douchebag he is.

you heard it here first, fatality lost vs blue cause blue was actually better than fatality in their game. thanks thorin, would have never figured it out.

also, dont think anyone's disputing or downplaying fat's influence and domination. it's the stuff he did after that, like counting some irrelevant tournaments as world championships, etc.

This.

While he won 2 or 3 major (international) LANs in Quake, which is a really nice achievement, the problem is what he did after that.

Things that come to mind are him calling "world championships" things like showmatches (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF169CJMe54) and tournaments of games that nobody played like Alien vs Predator (there never was footage of that as well), rigging tournaments in Quake 4 (https://youtu.be/O0qYOHgi8UM?t=2271), raging in public play and so on and so forth.

His personality is the problem, his actual achievements are not.

I do like the guy though. After all he's done more for e-sports and for Quake than 99% of people in here, including funding tournaments and sponsoring players.

congratulations on finding some information that was reduntant to you from a video that clearly is aimed just at you, the hardcore gamer from a site with 400 users online at any given time.

Im prety sure that is exactly what the vid is for? Thorin pretty clearly states so himself. Which makes this vid even mre hilarious in its uselesness outside of being publicity for ql.

"pretty clearly" ?

He states so at the beginning of the video. I know u are american but u might consider studying english

in which part does he state that? while writing your reply, please keep in mind that while he talks about fatal1ty's success in the context of hardcore gamers downplaying it, it does not mean that they are the ones that the video is aimed for.

ok

the fuck are you on about? tell me, to who is fatality even relevant anymore aside from 400 people (give or take) on this website?

this video was / is aimed at ESR, same as that failed bonjwa video. and once again, the problem with fatality is not what he achieved in quake, no one is disputing that. it's the staged events, rigging matches, counting ridiculous shit as world titles, etc. basically it's everything that came after his quake career why he is being downplayed and in the context of this video right here it's totally irrelevant. thorin missed the point by far.

yeah, forget his 150k tube subscribes, forget the 20k views on the video. every word he uttered was crafted specifically to you, the unique beautiful snowflake, so you could have your private conversation with the almighty god thooooooorin using the most popular website on the internet as medium.

bravo esdf

Hi fatal1ty, no need to be so salty.

You refuse to consider all relevant arguments, pointless to discuss anything with you.

Also his skills deteriorating didnt help his legacy. Couple of years ago he did another of his fake championships in brazil and lost in pub ffa to skulp 7 times in a row lol

Is it expensive to heat one's home in the UK?

helps to keep the hair red

Yes, it really is :(

Good thing it's not really cold there :P

my gas & electric bill was £100 17 dec-17 jan :( £45~ gas though

Yeah, last year it was costing £5 a day in the house I'm at - old boiler though

lol

nice to see that you're still making quake related content even though it doesn't get as much views as all the moba/cs:go stuff

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so, how much did Fat pay Thorin to make this vid?

(k somewhat of a joke, but there is that....)

An unlimited supply of Cashews of Chaos for all eternity

I never understood the Fatality hate.

It's not like z4 beat him like fat was xbn frost or anything

Guy is a capable player who established himself in various different environments. Different games require different skill sets and yet he was always up there giving everyone a hard time. He was never about pure skills, not to me anyway, but his confidence and sheer will to do well are things that I admire.

I think people who hate him are simply the ones who cricticise negatively everything all the time, a lot of people have this mindset. Look how Zo0t was bashed for no reasons. Also It doesnt require as much as today beeing top 1 in games when noone was playing for a living compared to today. I even think today this would be just impossible.

Haters gonna hate.

really desperate for the plusses, arent we?

Hurr durr negativity hurr durr

you should not shave thorin you look better with a beard.

fatal1ty is still a turd.

good talk.

Then Fatal1ty said, "Let there be gamer food," and there was gamer food.

2bd so salty. wounds havent healed from q4 domination

how lame is that :D

Fatality worked very hard and got good results in his time. Some people try to downplay him because he had to play so much to get good, and then faded away once everyone else caught up.

You can say what you like about the guy's talent and current abilities, but when he was winning on the day it was down to skill.

The one thing that really demonstrates fats playing style is when you consider the 'golden age' of quake with all those amazing frag movies coming out featuring players in all the major international tournaments doing amazing frags - fat is oddly absent from them all. I think this is just down to his rather boring A B C style of game, rarely taking risks and just holding control from a distance. I can only remember two pretty decent rocket frags he did, unless someone can remind me of more.

Yes, there's the one on aŠcitizen in Just Quake, and that's about all I remember of him.

Wasn't he hiding his demos tho? I remember he kicked lost-cause from his training group because he shared one in Q4.

There's a bunch in this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSHDyF6SJQg
QuakeCon 2002 Highlights

Dunno if it counts as a well known frag movie though, I always enjoy it.

too quick??

Fats frags are pretty lame tho. Whos unnamed player, by the way? Hes got style

ah good old times, when UnnamedPlayed could rape some pro asses...

p.s. I know who is it :b

Chaoticz, right?

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Here is the proof (pure rape):

stop catching all my plusses, im runnin dry man

true dat

You know who else doesn't have any frag movies? Toxic

yes yes the cashews of chaos were great

Did Thorin stop eating like a noob?

10/10 didnt watched

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Please, next time discuss the greatness of Romain "dem0n" Leclercq in the context of people in the community down-playing his accomplishments.

this stick to your head like non other

same guy wrote a song about me

qr on fatal1ty level

Did Fat got Thorins beard and keeping it as a hostage?

Fatal1ty never trolled a player or called him names or talked smack about anyone his entire career. And to say he isn't one of the best I'll never understand.

Even at WCG 2002 USA ( a low poin in his quake 3 carrer) where he didn't quality, he was beaten by socrates who at the time really had his game on and came in 3rd overall at WCG 2002. Fat lost to him by one point. And Cooller, might I add, lost to him by one point as well at that tournament.


I don't get these random 'lol' troll comments either, which is exactly what they are. People post these but never go into any depth as to why they think that way, outside of inventing their own views why he was a cocky player. He has done more to help the community in terms of sponsoring others than any other quake player I can think of.

You make him look like a saint who worked his ass off for Quake, lol.


He paid toxiq to let him win a few maps in a final, so he could not look like a total fool. Yes, there are no official proofs of this, but everybody knows it.

And besides, he was obviously not bad at Q3, considering he practiced 12hours + a day, where other american and russian kids were playing like...kids.


tl;dr: hes an annoying tryhard whos way too full of himself who won way too much prize money

Hasn't Toxic denied this happened? And it's not like he won the tournament. Without any proof, and toxic denying it, why act as if it was true? Just because he helped sponsor toxic at the time doesn't mean shady deals happened. And again, toxic did win that tournament.

And maybe toxic got nervous and fumbled? It happened to czm during his final at eswc 2005 against cooller and it happened to Voo at the 2005 PK finals. I remember alot of people complained about the crowd cheering fat (as if something like this is unique and shouldnt happened in esporting events, despite the fact it happens all the time at regular sporting events) for some reason and saying this was affecting toxic's performance.

I also think someone like him that has helped sponsor players like zen, stermy, fox and tox, should be praised for doing that. I think one quakecon he flew killsen of germany to quakecon. What is not praiseworthy about this? How does this not help the community?

Also, I never really got the whole angle that he was only 'good' when the game first came out. He started q3 touranments in 99 during the test and got 3rd place 3 years later at quakecon 2002. He was one of the most consistently good players during the first 3 years of quake 3.

Everything he does (the sponsoring), hes basically just the middleman between the people/tournaments and the sponsors.

Besides, toxiq denied it because he was required to, that was one condition of the deal.

Who are you anyway? Fats alt-account?

No, just a fan of his. Like I am a fan of cooller, thresh, zero4, cypher, rapha/etc.. I don't think he's the best quake palyer of all time, which to me would be between cypher and rapha. I don't see anything wrong or incorrect about what I posted about him.

and you're supposed to be 2gd's alt account? which is worse : P

That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Toxjq's manager at the time, 2gd, clearly said that before the finals happened the Fatal1ty & his manager had a long private talk with tox. Next thing you know, tox changes his sens just before final game was about to start. I think that's pretty much enough evidence to point at foul play by Tox & Fat.

Ofcourse Toxic would deny this happening, he doesn't want to look like shit that he is. He put his rep on the life for a free trip to Qcon. Unfortunately for him, his ex-manager loves to run his mouth.

edit: it was even thorin that interviewed 2gd about that and then he makes a vlog few years later claiming to not understand where all the fatal1ty hate is coming from. top kek.

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I don't see anything about the game that was staged or any evidence pointing to this, and fat didn't win. And both fat and toxic have denied it. Regardless, the end result was a win for toxic, even if fat took some maps from him. We can ponder conspiracy theories, but I don't see it worth pursuing if toxic won the finals.

I totally agree. Was supposed to have been a reply to mattered :>

hmm
mattered, megaman, and esdf posts have been eerily similar lately.
are we getting jamerioed(multiple accounts)?
lets do an ip check and find out ;p

on fat,
fats done more good to the scene than harm, so he's alright in my book. couldn't care less about him overhyping his accomplishments. almost everyone here would have done the same thing.

*buying a monster fatal1ty headset just to piss off his haters here*

i'm the ring leader and they are my circle jerkers.

on the other hand, i can argument my opinion well when i feel like it and disliking thoring makes me want to do just that. and the weak minded always jump on the wagon of the first guy to be somewhat convincing. :D

Fatal1ty fits the American stereotype perfectly. Incredibly individualistic, confident and self-sufficient. The ideal qualities of a successful sportsman. The way he draws upon prior success in order to further his business goals (even while he was competing) is definitely cringe-worthy but his Quake 3 career still stands as an important milestone for competitive video games.

What's so individualistic about him when he's helped multiple players or has sponsored many events and tournaments? Please name another quake player that has given back as much as he has? What makes him more individualistic than a cypher, rapha or cooller that has won hundreds of thousands of dollars (and possible much more through sponsors) through tournament prize money? Have they personally done anything to give back? I don't know, maybe they have, but I don't think they have. If they have, please correct me.

And what's bad about praising past accomplishments? why does that need to be tore down? Why can't he talk about that UT2003 tournament that he won? Or the 3rd place in the same game he got 7-8 months later? What's so bad about him talking about winning the 150,000 dollars at the PK finals? I don't understand why he shouldn't talk about this and censor himself. Who the heck in any sports doesn't talk about past achievements?

From the looks of this video and the way Thorin is heavily dressed, I think the heaters are broken in his appartment.

expected worse from fat. pleasantly surprised
maka on the other hand. eek.

Keep the QUAKE content coming!

Fatal E.T.

Fat is the man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_...gkYg#t=699

has thorin ever casted quake, let alone played it?

Did both

Can't watch Thorin content after the Loda incident and its aftermath.

Care to elaborate?

Thorins friend strangled the dota player Loda at DH because ~reasons~, DH decided they would not work any more with Thorins friend because of the violence. So Thorin said something like Sweden is the worst country and swedish people are the worst because of DH's decision and it was the feminists fault aswell (obviously) and something like that on twitter triggering lots of people. It was pretty entertaining lmao

Hardly a reason to stop watching his videos though lol (imo). The videos are usually interesting. And it's very nice with some more quake content!

nice. first the beef with poland, now with sweden. guess gingers really have no soul.

I don't care about the stuff about sweden. His twitter posts after the incident was disgusting to say the least, I lost all respect for the man after that and will therefore not feed him clicks.

TRIGGERED?

"strangled" sensationalist
"because ~reasons~" convenient dismissal of events

Sweden is the worst country and swedish people are the worst because of DH's decision and it was the feminists fault aswell

all true

Fat is always going to be fat to me. You can say what-fat to me, fat is absolute like the speed of light. Thorin, by the way you also look FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT in those clothes.

Will always be a faggot with a lisp

well i'm sold

this is actually really good :D

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