if you want this to be a reality, you're gonna have to help advertise it. personally it's not the end of the world if it doesn't get funded to me, there's not a lot of profit to be made and i already have a few prototypes so i'm good (;

but i'd love to get this out there, so help me help you m8s

personally it's not the end of the world if it doesn't get funded to me

uhm, no offence, because I really like the idea of the mouse and I've supported your project on other threads, but do you actually think it will be the end of the world to anybody if it doesn't get funded? at the end of the day, it's not like there are no good mice on the market today and that somehow buying yours will make us better gamers or give us bigger dicks or something. it would be nice if your project comes to fruition, sure, but even though I would like a mouse pretty much like this, I don't ever see it realistically coming to anything, mainly because of your funding target.
Yes I know you've outlined a price breakdown below, but honestly setting your goal at 30k looks ridiculous from an outsider's perspective. 3k a person for 4-5 days work sounds pretty great to me, if you really would "love" to get this product out there then I don't see why you need to make such a ridiculous profit on something as unprofitable as fulfilling a (pretty optimistic) purchase order for a gaming mouse.

I'm still hoping that you'll see how ridiculous this looks from the perspective of the potential buyers (the people that matter in this instance), because atm I don't feel like it's worth me supporting your project since it just seems too far-fetched to ever become anything. That doesn't mean I wouldn't support it in the future tho; as I've said on previous threads, the mouse itself looks great and if it were released tomorrow I'd certainly buy one.

but at the end of the day, as I said, it's not the end of the world to me either, I can just keep using my g400s which is close to perfect for me anyway (or the closest thing i've tried since my mx500 died).

Dude he said its NOT the end of the world ;) most of that was accedental troll i thinks lol.

I've read it, he said "it's not the end of the world to me", implying that he thinks we care more about his product and business plan than he does. I was calling him out on that since I'm pretty interested in this mouse (or interested enough to the point whereby I'd buy one if it was an actual product) yet at the end of the day I'm not really going to be negatively affected by not having one to the point whereby I'd be willing to support a cause I think has no chance of succeeding.

If it happens, it happens and I'll try the phazon acolyte whatever mouse and maybe switch from my current mouse if I like it more. If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen and I'll just keep using my G400s like nothing ever happened since there's nothing wrong with it.

Not trying to be a dick, but if he's totally apathetic as to how his crowdfunding goes, and I as an interested consumer am equally apathetic as to how it goes, how can he, nay anyone, possibly think it's going to end well?

None of my post was accidental, neither was it meant as a troll. I'd like one of these mice but as long as the ridiculous 30k funding goal and this "I don't care" attitude from the manufacturer is here to stay, I don't see a reason to support the cause. Thus I'm asking him to reconsider these two aforementioned factors as they are a detriment to the overall image of his business model. That's all I was trying to say, anyway. apologies if it came across some other way, i'm very tired.

Tanks for the plus really appreciate it :)

Well, I didn't [+] you, but now you've said that I'd feel mean for not giving you one...

Right back at cha :p

i'm not saying you care more about it than me

i'm saying TO ME, i don't CARE if it gets funded since I already have the product. the whole point of this is to distribute the product, not to make a profit or build a brand. if not enough people want it, i could really care less, i'm not making a lot of money and i'm not building a brand.

i've stated this since day 1

the 30k funding goal...i've explained numerous times what and why, it's literally paying for product + distribution alone for a minimum order quantity

if not enough people really want the mouse, fine by me. saves me a few days of mindless work shipping everything out for not a lot of profit

so if u dont get 30 stacks none of us get the mouse?

pretty much, there's a minimum order quantity of 1k.'


in short, the economics of it all...

30k would substantiate 1k units ( the minimum order quantity), shipping the sold units, kickstarter fees, and decent pay for myself + 2 others taking off a week of work to ship all this out by hand

in reality, we're not asking for a lot...this was from the start a no risk venture, if there isn't the demand i really could care less; the only reason kickstarter is there is because i feel the pain of people who love the sensei's shape

2 parts to go

no more parts, this gets funded, we're done

if it doesn't get funded, we're done

30k not happening

30k not happening

i know its unlikely, but the minimum order quantity is 1k and we're being quoted at 14$ a unit, if we're not making an overall profit of about 3k each its not worth our time and effort of doing all the logistics of shipping it, considering it would be a team of 3 of us doing it it would take at least 4-5 days to ship all the units out once recieved

at the end of the day, we did this for ourselves and the kickstarter was more or less a "why not" idea


if it's not happening, why don't you pledge and take the plunge yourself? it needs to gain traction somehow

I have nothing against this project, so I'm not complaining about you being greedy or something. My point is that it is unrealistic to achieve a $30,000 goal, and since Kickstarter it's an all or nothing deal (90% = 0) then the fundraiser is not happening, at all.

Speaking of which, the point of Kickstarter is to kickstart projects, not to be their sole mean of funding. You could have done a $5,000 pledge, which is much more realistic to be achieved than $30,000, then get some sponsors/deals and then charge separately for each mice. Take the Oculus Rift for example.


About the mouse itself, I would prefer it without side buttons in order to have more space for my thumb. That's the #1 thing I miss from my WMO.

completely understandable, however you're one of the few. most would prefer the side buttons, including myself...its a common ptt button for many like myself.

and i know the sole purpose of kickstarter isnt for 100% funding, but for me it is...ive stated numerous times theres no intent to become a buisness here, i used my boosting site (www.mmrboosting.com) as front to see if i could even get samples (which i obviously did) and i figured why not see if i could fufill a purchase order since i knew i wasn't the only one looking for a mouse like this


i could care either way if kickstarter goes through. i've been fragging noobs with the mouse of my dreams for the past few months. if it succeeds, cool -- i share my vision and make a few $. if not, it's not the end of the world

ultimately, it's up to people like you to decide if there's enough demand. the price is fair, the idea is well executed.

>www.mmrboosting.com

lol wtf

Buy Level 30 LoL Account

How illegal is it on scale from 0 to 8?

it's really fucking gay is what it is

why?

If you send me one, I'll take you proper photos of the mouse.

Looks like both OCN threads are deleted for some reason :O
Maybe Finalmouse cutting down competitors?

Btw what is the scroll encoder TTC or ALPS?

got this in my inbox, lol

probably was fm posting to a mod those scumbags

http://gyazo.com/ce0e50aad403ccdf3c9f3e916a3be071

uhh not entirely sure what that even is, how can i check?

Alps scroll has "ALPS" marking.
TTC has "TTC" double arrows smth like "(>>)" or nothing.

Sad about OCN :(

You REALLY need to improve your pictures. It looks totally unprofessional and not trustworthy enough. I don't care for the pictures, but the wider public will.

Good luck otherwise, the specs are awesome!

+1 on the pics, they look like they've been taken on a homeless mans furniture. Also 30k to back the project seems crazy high, and highly unlikely to be reached. 5 - 10 k goal, a hooker holding the mouse in sexy poses with professionally taken photos + free cooller calendar with every pledge, and we have a deal.

Saving my money for a James Donkey 007

The site is telling me I need to pay $45 for the mouse and $55 for shipping to Australia. Is this correct?

oh what? 55 flat for outside us

Shipping is $10 as far as I can see, maybe it was changed?

Yes it was, about a day or 2 after it went up.

could you provide a way for us to mess around with the firmware? ;d

So not going to happen, lol. Do you guys have like a demo version of it? I'll buy one for $50

There is a very low chance you will get 30k in donation from people on esr and ocn. I would say 99% it ain't gonna happen.

The best way would be for you to make an order, invest your own money (from your writing style and job so far I doubt you have any money, but maybe you can convince someone in your family and then share profit with them) and purchase the order and then sell the mice with a profit.

You know the way it should actually be done instead of asking for free money to buy and then selling with profit l o l.

from my writing style? this is a gaming forum, does it really matter how i present myself?

i know the chances are low its not gonna happen and i'm totally cool with it, i'm not doing this for the money, i'd be pretty much be breaking even having to take off work for a week shipping the product out


i honestly dunno why i'm even explaining myself to you so imma just stop

if not enough people want it, i could really care less, i'm not making a lot of money and i'm not building a brand.

the 30k funding goal...i've explained numerous times what and why, it's literally paying for product + distribution alone for a minimum order quantity

and decent pay for myself + 2 others

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if you could care less why would you put in so much effort to type that lmfao fuckin nerd

Oh I also forgot to add that you cheated the company on sending you prototypes telling them you had an intention to buy a minimum order of 1k when the prototype meets your standard.

Now since the prototype is good enough for you and you have a few you don't care about the order. You cheated the factory to build free prototypes for you with about 1% inclination of making a real order.

Tool

Wouldn't the company be the tool in this case? Scumbag is a better fit but I haven't been following this thread long enough to be judging the guy :D

hope this works out for all but I'll be getting the Asus sica, even if it doesn't have side buttons

not gonna lie, what we did definitely wasn't the nicest thing in the world, but it's not like we weren't paying them for the samples..they didn't lose money off us that's for sure.

thx for the best wishes

that's exactly what we did bud, i wanted a mouse like this so i did something about it

we had no intention initially of going through with a purchase order

it's not like the factory is losing money off us paying them for samples

again why the fuck am i explaining myself to a pleb like you

this project doesnt make much sense to me tbh
1) zowie click delay problem is highly overreacted
2) steelseries are announcing optical sensei in a matter of days
3) there's also Asus ROG Sica coming to the stores this month
4) 45$ + 55$ shipping is wtf
the only plus is that PCB is pretty much a finalmouse copy so i guess the implementation will be fairly debugged and well-adjusted after all their feedback

What's the source on no. 2?

-.-'

he works at steelseries

hey, don't insult me

You got my hopes up. I hope you work at Razer.

if no. 2 was legit, this wouldn't be happening

i'm sure though with all these new mice releases steelseries will realize they have a gem right infront of their eyes, might take a year or so to comeout but soon

the unannounced new optical sensei will probably have the same retarded 100g
the PCB is also just a default factory, you will see not only FM has this

When you can visually perceive button lag you have more than enough reason to call a mouse bad.

I dont think you can really perceive the difference(or rather say that it impacts your perfomance) ingame. I've seen plenty of people who are able to shoot through dust2 CT gate opening(you would need around 150ms full eye-mouse reaction for that alone) with IME/IMO which have same lag as zowie or even with kinzu v2. I mean eye-hand human reaction is AT LEAST 10(and usually like 15) times bigger than that old zowie mice input lag. And I've not even mentioned that the mouse shell/switch hardness and finger position matter way more than that miserable mouse lag itself. Moreover overall it pretty much only matters for reaction shots, as the brain automatically adapts for flickshots and other stuff

From my experience I couldn't rail for the life of me with the zowie mice I've tried, what bothered me even more was how I could visually perceive the delay on the screen, I'd feel the button actuate but the shot wouldn't come out until 10-15ms later, I've had the same issue with the kinzu v2, and xornet 72 firmware.
Though I do agree that there's a certain threshold for how the small an amount of lag you can perceive but from my experience those particular mice were well beyond it.

EDIT: First off my reactions are on the slow side 190-200ms(with a G302), whatever lag I get from a zowie is +15ms, assuming my reactions are on point I'm wasting 15ms staring at the model.
The model has a 10/3 height/width ratio (I just took a ruler to a picture of a man standing up straight), and yes I know we're dealing with a hitbox that's bigger than the model, but it's not that much bigger than keel.
Assume Keel is 70 units tall (http://forums.warchest.com/showthread.php/142...its-X-Feet), so he's 21units wide with the 10/3 ratio (the ratio because of the cylinder is probably closer to 10/5, though).

The enemy already moving at 320ups you center you crosshair on the model and fire if there was no lag the shot would hit dead center but because you have that extra 15ms we have 320/1000 * 15 = 4.8units of displacement on the shot's position that's roughly 1/4 of the model's width, you aren't always going to aim dead center, you aren't always going to get a chance to do that even if you were that consistent at aiming that way, as speed increases (someone strafe jumping past a crack that you can shoot through) the amount of units displaced after that 15ms lag becomes bigger.

TL;DR, I fried my brain last year.

Noob you can't rail with zowie mice not because of delay, but the terrible sensor positioning.

Xornet's and G100s' sensor positioning is way worse.

is #2 a joke? srs question because my mouse is dying and a sensei with a decent sensor would be $$

So, I play with an MX300. While this mouse looks similar, both in design and DPI, the shell looks hella cheap. Not to mention, you failed to mention or call-out any reference to the MX300. Which as you'll see here, http://www.esreality.com/?a=longpost&id=1265679&page=22, is the third best mouse from the 2007 benchmarks.

It's the mouse CZM used in 2006 at CPL (which he won), and has countless other successes to it's name. Also, I'm pretty sure this mouse was around $29.95 new, with a shipping weight of 1.5 LBS. The MX300 had a weight inside that many gamers removed.

mouse looks nothing like the mx300 at all. Perhaps you're thinking of BST's mouse? This mouse has more in common with the xai/sensei.

mx300 was my dream mouse... until i have it...

I'll gladly take it off your hands then :D

30k lol

-6-10 g
-braided cord (seriously, why this shit is so trendy nowadays?)
-side buttons
-big feet
-no japanese Omrons
-lame logo
-lame brand name
-30 day "warranty" lol

Still needs some work.



"but there’s always something missing"

Yeah. My brand new MX300. ))

wow, you really don't read shit do you

Exactly what I read.

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He only read stuff havlfs then full responses.

Who?

Who think u?

Too generic to post twice. At least make what im headbutting different.

I find pipes, of any kind, sort of fun to bang, btw. The sounds can almost be made into an actual melody. Where as a wmo for instance. Naw its just bangiti BANG BANG. More like a drum beat.

Also dont delete stuff cause u didnt try hard enough :p

Even if u double postes the same thing, never give up neff or whatever your name is, and Never...NEVER SURRENDER!!!

Okay. Then go headbang a truck already.

I have and its supanusiobonelicious

not trying to be a dickhole (because I am) but is this mouses shape 1:1 to a Sensei? (I really don't know but it looks that way from the pics)

if so, what's stopping Steelseries from slapping your project with a cease & desist if they feel like it? 30k (lol) down the drain?

dont let it deter you though, just playing devils advocate as i am all for entrepreneurship and am even mildly interested in such a mouse

It's an OEM, look at the final mouse 2015
basically a Razer Imperator

its not 1:1. slightly different

This is the most ridiculous thing I've seen in the world. Firstly you lied to and deceived the factory for starters..... Throughout this entire process you are acting like you don't care at all and that WE should be caring for some reason... While taking every moment to call someone a pleb, noob, or scumbag. You are making the mouse at a factory that FinalMouse has moved away from already, not sure if you saw their latest thread on OCN before t got deleted but they said something about moving to better pcb fabricators and injection molding. There is essentially no warranty on this, so what happens if things go wrong (which they will). Fm has a 3 year warranty which their support has been honoring, all other major brands also have warranties of sorts. Your price point is not even that low. On OCN you have been calling brands out like zowie and fm for scamming ppl with high prices.... Sorry to break it to you but I'd gladly pay 15 bux more for instant shipping of a product with a warranty that has respectable support and trust. At the end of the day you are going to an oem with no engineering background or team and Hoping to
God that they give you the pcb design FM originally used. Not to mention you have no control over firmwares, sensor implementation, etc...

And then to top t all off, many brands are launching respectable
Ambidextrous mice. Zowie click delay aside you have new sensei, Asus, hell even the FinalMouse ambidextrous will probably come out well before this kickstarter ever makes 30 THOUSAND DOLLARS!!!'

"new sensei"

Where'd you get that info from? This is the second time it's mentioned on this thread.

They streamlined the Product lineup the last months(Kinzu and Kana gone), chances that they make an announcement at CES Asia arent too bad, one Steelseries Rep also confirmed that they have new products coming soon on reddit.

Edit: Forget CES, they arent there, but at the next upcoming Event i guess.

there is no new sensei happening, rep on reddit confirmed.

no new sensei.

Stupid on their part I think, as they'd have at least double the sales of the finalmouse instantly if they just put a good sensor in a kana or a sensei.

Ambi Rival is fair enough imo.

Ambi Rival is fair enough imo.

holy fuck someones mad

i really suggest you read like what i initially wrote, maybe it'll make more sense to you

this is never going to happen like the ninox mice never happened.

still researching

?

http://www.amazon.com/Ninox-Aurora-Profession...B00QLJ57K2

i was too drunk when i said that right now.

lol photos, lol 30k

Neat.

>$30,000

just buy a logitech g303

This is called kickstarting to coverup a scam you pulled to get a manufacturer to develop a mouse to your specifications. Of course you 'don't care', you actually need this ridiculous kickstarter to fail, which is why you put such a ceiling on it. The manufacturer is unlikely to come after you, when this 'failed kickstarter' can be provided as evidence of 'good faith' on your part.

Although, in this same thread you admit you don't care and already got what you wanted and never intended to fulfill the requisition order to the manufacturer promised...all under the veil of prototyping for a failed kickstarter. You mean the one that was never intended to succeed, because you only wanted someone to make the prototypes for you?!

This is a new level of kickstarter abusive douchebaggery.

id it drue, dis is da.bomb digity nymp

>side buttons
>perfect for FPS
pick one.

just get one of the bad boys

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UK-STOCK-2500DPI-8D...41926d72bf

almost there!

Rwwar she me 100,000 of deeze durr mice to smashdeds

thanks for bumping this old thread, i needed a good laugh