Isn't it obviously the later one ('13 and '14) in both cases?

More tournaments, more wins against more players, etc.

Via direct comparison, I agree with Lorfa.

Comparing each variant to their competitors of that era, for me at least, tells a different story. In 08, literally nobody had an answer to cypher. At the top, there was no rapha, there was no evil, dahang was 'catching up', spartie was also 'catching up', and many other current top players were not present or active.

From memory there was: Cypher, Avek, Jibo, Fox, Cooller and a couple more (K1llsen near the end of 08) who had the potential to win a lan tourney. Online, many more: Nike, Lamz Question, Amai, Slimk, Noctis (vq3 hub monster, when he cared about duel :'(( ) and quite a few others I can't quite remember.

Whether upon lan or online, when Cypher wanted to, he destroyed everyone in a bo3/5. The same cannot be said in 13/14/15, no one has an answer for evil online, and, no one seems to have an answer for Cypher on lan.

My 2 cents.

rapha > cypher though

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Cypher was a god of aim and dynamic plays, but Rapha is the one that pushed him in his game mentally. Cypher in Neo-mode is all thanks to Rapha.

Cypher is unquestionably the best quake player I have ever seen.

Cooller/Rapha are my favorite players, but cypher is the _best_ player.

For a time period, surely. In their latest encounters, Rapha seemed to have declined. Loss of motivation, lack of valuable training partners, too much weed and wanking, who knows.
And actually, Rapha is dead or something, and he'll show up to quakecon just to grab the guaranteed 3rd or 2nd prize check, in horrible form.

as far as we know he only trains before tournaments he is going to attend. So he is already out in his mind I guess. Sad :(

Results say otherwise, both in QL and in Q3.

And rapha will not win quakecon 2015. The top contender is once again cypher, but his victory actually depends on how well his cs:go career goes.

I base my opinion on the fact that rapha didn't prac as much as cypher and didn't have such optimal conditions to become a champ. And yet he was equally good or even better at times. If rapha lived in Europe and could prac properly from the beginning of his career I'd say he'd be pretty clear #1.

cypher wasn't trained by zero4 nor his dad was a quake player though

gtfo atfap

COOLLER!

yes

haha i didn't expect this thread was going to have any comments at all

m8 u just got trolled by ESR

And now go suck kosovarian cocks.

the cock expert hath spoken

You teached me, sir.

nah, i'm not your father.

I said you, can't you read?

ooo that's because you never got to know him? btw, it's funny that YOU are implying i'm a cocksucker :D

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