you…. ! :)

Q3/QL FFA has always been massively shit compared to QW or even Quake 2, mostly thanks to weaker weapons and stronger spawners. Now they've only made it worse. I really could get into quite a bit of detail about this but wasting any energy on anything Quake related seems pointless at this stage

I get this. I understand the energy / pointless thing too, and even now like history, the trend of migration to other game titles is repeating itself. Because of these tweaks, that perhaps in the long term will be good for the game, but at the moment, everyone is on pause and looking elsewhere.

Did I miss out on the trial servers vote or something? to see if people liked it, instead of mass standardisation production. We as time goes on are the guinea pigs, but they can only run on the wheel for so long.

I bet if they chucked up a few trial CTF servers with Grapple, there might also be an odd population increase, probably more than FT.

Anyway, I know what you mean about time wasted. I should be playing something!

the machinegun is (accidentally) what made Q3 TDM basically, which is very possibly the best iteration of a "DM/arena" fps to date, especialy in OSP.

its in the same form in, and proly what makes, FFA in q3 too - so to say q3FFA is massive shit compared to qw is a massive strike on yr credibility.

it doesnt hav the spawn madness of those prior games and it is more back and forth, but because of that it does have a better mechanic of combat from the usefulness of all the weapons, but especially from the get go (mg), and feelin of method to chaos.

The idea was to make it more rewarding for newbs.
Any discussion on how to improve ffa should be held with this in mind.
In my opinion it wasn't the right approach to have loadouts. It removes any Time to breath. People nowadays are Looking to relax while playing, ffa is too intensive for that.
Also the Addition of HMG makes the game more aim heavy which actually is the opposite of making the game noob Friendly.

I am so up for making it as newb friendly as possible, at whatever tier you are classed at. People doing this for 15 odd years is strong evidence, that it has been partially newb friendly in the past? But yes unfortunately maybe less newb friendly.

Loadout's isn't a bad idea in itself, evolving, and easy transition between FPS game titles, but not quite right or balanced. There has to be a solution somewhere with this. Really want more retention / progression & [Time to breath] as you say and fun.

HMG in itself, I like the weapon, but I know I could abuse the hell out of it by spawning with it, and cleaning up the frags like the LG. FFA is quite a:
1. mano v mano
2. mano v 2mano or 3mano
3. 1 after the other thing
But shouldn't be:
4. constant mano v 5 fully LG loaded CA style rage quit moments.

Separation of the last one has to be part of the solution to keep the players on the server again?

I'm in a rush to get out so re-copying an old post of mine and racing through some additional points -

Most FFA games end up 8 or more players so:

1. It's even faster than it was before
2. As in you die a lot faster, you're often lucky to get a single shot off at all.
3. movement skill is irrelevant, never used because of 1 & 2
4. Timing items was hard before (as you have to actually get to them!) now it's impossible due to 1 & 2.
5. You used to aim to get a good weapon, before quad, not any more.
6. Weapon denial was a major tactic if a strong player favoured a weapon you tried to keep him off it as much as possible. Not any more.
7. A tier4 spawner was never an easy frag after a fight, now it's almost always a death, this doesn't counter point 1 or 2.
8. Loads of people will never change weapon, there's no point, they spawn with their favourite and get an ammo box anywhere. Bye bye altering the course of the game by trying to block a whatever weapon hoarder from his favourite gun, a major FFA gameplay mechanic.

I don't really mind about the powerup POI or damage plums really, or even the item timers, they're probably good all round ideas.

These things work ok in tier1/2 games where people can't aim or move for toffee, tier3 I don't know, maybe they still find it fun, tier4 - I'm sorry id, but nope nope nope.

The QL servers spawn with 8 players, but it's still a mess.

There is basically zero progression in the game now, maps barely make any difference to play, there's no incentive to move or pick up anything, playing for k:d is practically a myth, the only progression you will see is if a player really concentrates on working their aim, ignoring the fact they won't win this way. Or solely the progression of getting more frags.

It's fundamentally boring to watch, and I don't ever see anyone ever trying to run any level of tournament from it.

Dying is actually an ADVANTAGE as you spawn with a fresh stack and powerful weapons. Killing someone usually just gets you stabbed in the back by them respawning behind you,

Not having the SG as secondary basically means you WILL lose the game, the MG despite it's spread tweak is a completely dead weapon.

The only way it might work for QL is as a gateway to other modes, certainly no-one is very likely to play FFA for years any more.

I don't really see how this can be improved with keeping loadouts other than forcing spawns furthest from the action would reduce the 'lol backrocket' effect some except on the most crowded servers, but overall it's still just not a patch on Classic.
At the very least making spawn-nearest never happen is something I've always campaigned for, but now it's really screaming for it :/

Yep, FFA as a gamemode is dead and destined to be dead in QL.

The maturity of FFA might be placed somewhere between QW and Q2. Q3A FFA was already being massively failed. People played it, sure. But it was nothing compared to the real Deathmatch.

We can safely say that this gamemode has achieved its peak long ago and now is basically a fossil.
I know, I used to play FFA obsessively. It was second only to CTF for me in all Quakes.

FFA was always differentiated into two vastly different categories.

1) FFA of equals. This was hard and really challenging - you wre against people who had the same ideas and the same skill as you, more or less. So the only thing that mattered was blind luck and counting on someone having a bad day. Such FFAs were small (6-7 top) or very small - depending on the map. K/D was usually almost equal, games were fast as shit and very technical sometimes.

2) FFA whit huge skill discrepancy. You run PU, you control pickups, you pummel noobs that mill around clueless. Hardly challenging. Such FFAs were usually larger on servers where the playerlimit was bigger. My lowest time: 3:12. Far from perfect, most FFAs against weaker players I used to end up in ~5 minutes.

What happened to FFA after update?

We have loadouts what makes FFA a breeze for me now. If I can start with LG/HMG and SG from the very start, I roll into the game already stacked enough to bring in the pain. Loadouts were - as I suppose - made to give noobs a chance. Nothing more wrong. If a veteran spawns with LG/RG/SG/HMG already, he's going to rip the noobs a new one right from the beginning and they WON'T do a thing to stop him. You can't buy experience or skill. If someone's better than you he will kill you with gauntlet or MG only even when you're stacked as shit.

Ammo packs. No longer I need to walk thru half the map to get precious ammo for RG. Or to supply LG. There's tons of universal ammo around, meaning that I can hold an area on map almost indefinitely if I want to. I have almost everything - save for MH or armors - just under my nose.

Noobs still dont know jack shit. The newbies I saw in FFA after update (I'm high T4, what do they do in that tier I don't know) run around peppering people with MG, doesnt use any guns, time anything - nothing. They're no better than before the update. Just as clueless. My words that if someone is stupid or doesnt want to learn he won't be affected by the update have manifested themselves in great glory, sadly.

FFA become a spam fest x 3000. Idiots who get all the guns from the start happily run around shooting everything including walls, elements of decoration and lights, or even pickups. They just spray around. A spam monkey's heaven.

HMG. Having it and picking guys from a distance or unloading into groups of enemies rack up frags like it's automatic. Sad to watch. This gun can be called NFG - Noob Farm Gun. Also, HMG made MG absolutely obsolete.

All of this make RG upgrade back to 90 a measly move. Shore, you get even better combos now...but who cares?

All in all. They simply destroyed the game balance. It was dwindling before, but the current update made me wonder whether SinkError and SpongeBob ever played oldschool Quakes and whether they understand what they're doing. For me they're as clueless as is this update. It has some elements that might be fun or even useful, but they're implemented in a configuration that just fails.

The rg wasn't buffed to 90 do you even actually play? :p

Hmg is fundamentally useless at the skill level of the servers I play on.. If you don't use rockets, rail, lg or shotgun you are dead before you usually get the chance to make a kill, or at the very least can't actually frag fast enough even trying to target already damaged players. Any skilled player with the afformentioned alternatives will just outpace you.

I was on a server with some lower elo players some similar, but at one stage, I was just crouching not moving with HMG, and winning fights with some considerable ease sadly. At the higher level this obviously would not work, as you are right.

Missing those FFA of equals. : (

#ffapickup

IT WASNT?????

Holy shit man I'm lost. I have the dmg indicators turned off. Didn't really notice. But RG feels slightly more powerful for me now.
Forgive my ignorance, but wasn't RG supposed to be buffed? Or was that only in that supposed "leak"?

definitely leaked

At a guess its just because with all the heavy weaponary about, you've been lucky that everyone is running about with so little health :)

perhaps you're taking FFA too seriously.

what? this is serious comrade. FFA is supposed to be fun. As you can't take it seriously now. This type of no progression of skill learning, is rubbish, and I hope you realise that this has historically been the core of progression within FPS games. Have you never played a single player game, which I know you have, but that is basically how you start DM, FFA is DM.

Will just copy my earlier post here, with a bit of modification;


This update just ruined the whole mode. It's just a random spamfest and map (/item) control (which was a key part so far) has prolly lost its meaning. You won't get rewarded if you control an area (mostly a certain weapon or armor) by playing good, because everybody spawns with whatever they want. Spawn-rape (which IS a definite part of Quake) is almost non-existent if you are playing with capable guys.
You don't have to fight to get a weapon, you don't need a solid plan to win. Just position yourself well and that's it. Sad.

It is saddening that I choose rg-sg (well, sg is a DEFINITE "secondary" weapon) on most maps and I don't have to go anywhere if I don't want to, just playing instagib-like, hitting 20-40 impressives per game and win. This is not FFA.

Played 214 "FFA" with the new ruleset so far, won 198 (4 loss was against a blatant cheater, who's banned now). weighted accuracy 53,1%, trololo
Good job spongie, newcomers will love you so much. Since it's much easier and balanced for them than before. /sarcasm
But it's also true, that the average quality of the pub FFA players (and available servers too!) dropped considerably, so this fact might justify the numbers, but still.

But let's get back to the techincal side.
So unified ammo packs? Let's play a map, where there's a BFG and I'll show you how fun this new update is.
I am a BFG-whore (like 6000 kills on combined accounts, with 65+% accuracy, so you can guess), love it with Quad / BS. Because it's fun :>, and the whine you get is priceless.
Now I'll become even a bigger whore, lol. But you can replace BFG with any other weapon; lg, rg, rl, whatever, you name it.
Now, you don't have to go to certain places on a map to refill your armanent. Just grab the nearest ammo pack and you are good to go. And every weapon of yours will profit from it. lol.
If this is not enough to make whoring easier than ever, these ammo packs respawns in every 10 s instead of the old 40. Even less effort needed. Just sad.

Also, mg is an optional secondary weapon? lol. Who will pick it EVER, if you can choose shotgun for close quarters as secondary? Any other distance will be covered by the primary weapon (which will be either rg or lg for me 90% of the time - depending on map).

So far, you used pretty much every weapon, at least to a certain extent. You could make fragstreaks even with mg - despite the popular belief, it's a good weapon.
Now, you use 1-2 guns most of the time. You don't really have to use more. 3, if you are truly sophisticated. Sad again.

I didn't mention hmg yet. Ridiculous. Overpowered. For example, played a few DM17 and I didn't even have to switch away. There was no point to do so. Hitting 40-44% with it doing the job on any distance (except VERY long range). But you can't start with a rail there, but you can with hmg. Figures. lmao

Item timers; might be good for newbies to get accustomed to the FEEL of cycling items. BUT. Don't forget, that veterans will also see these timers. Even less effort must be invested on their part to rule the world.

Why? Let's say there's an important YA. Normally, you wouldn't see anything, just the empty "armor stand". You weren't there for like 2 minutes now, so you have absolutely no idea when will it spawn. You can either choose to stay there for even like 20 seconds (or just 6 - the key factor is that YOU DON'T KNOW, unless it's not the early part of the game when you can guesstimate pretty accurately) and try to defend it, or you can go on your way and checking back from time to time, hoping that you will catch it sooner or later. But now? Just get a glimpse on the timer; "hmmm, roughly 10 sec - gonna grab rg, then trying to surprise some ppl at lg jumppad from superior position, then coming back" --> result: you grab rg, kill 2 poor bastards at jump pad, return to YA, voilá, YA spaws just as you got back, you take it and proceed to the next item / farm position.
There were games where I cycled literally EVERY FUCKING ARMOR (even most of the shards too) and 2 power ups (Quad + BS) on the map for 10 minutes. Without dying.
LOL.

One other thing I noticed, that since the update, I hit more than before. I wasn't too shabby earlier but now, it's just getting ridiculous. 45-50 % avg overall acc or even more (we are talking about FFA, but I noticed in TDM pickup as well, just not this gravely). Had games with 60-70% lol.
Yesterday, I was playing a match and genuinely thought "shit, today I'm not connecting with the lg, feels crap - that guy is still living, dodging and stuff, curse the world". Checking accuracy -> 45 %. wtf. "Not connecting" lmfao.

So tl;dr: it's way easier to utterly destroy noobs or mediocre players than ever. Contrary to Zenifag's intention.
Sure, there are cases, when people who were NEVER EVER came close to the 50 fraglimit, now they do it sometimes. But it's just because they spawn with rl and getting lucky, nothing more.
This is not the way to make a game more beginner-friendly.

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Want better FFA?

-remove loadouts, starting weapons should be pummel & mg
-remove unified ammo packs and revert respawn time to 40 s
-remove item timers
-remove hmg
-restore old weapon spawn points
-max. out the player count at 8 players. 12 on really huge maps (Black Cathedral for example)
-bring back old voting system

the zenifrag intention, has so gone wrong, I am seeing the other side, and the ones who "switched / quit" they have like 1-2 frags and 40 odd deaths. How can that be enough time for anything?

QW was different, as at least when you did get hammered, for some reason it was actually not a problem.

1849-84 now. Trololoadouts.

I think that you have to match the proportion of the weapon's damage, spawning, armours to each map that held FFA. I personally played more FFA than CA, and FFA than CTF and probably played the same proportion of matches in FFA and TDM respectively in Q3 and QL. But it is far away from all the matches that I played in duel mode. So why I think it should be "matched" with other contents of the game? Because if you play QW FFA you will realize that rocket can be a very strong weapon (for the first time if you play it, as a person that never played QW before) and so on. So you have to learn spots on the map to be getting around and spawns etc. So what is the impression on QL? …Drastically changed! So now you have to "learn again" on how to be positioned on the map, new ways of getting the frags and so on. But they do not improve maps for FFA players, I don't think this update will help players to get along and so on. So that is one of the reasons I've never played QL again "for fun". If ESWC releases a International tournament with QL or UT4 I will practice as before for the tournament's qualifiers.

The only FPS game that I really have fun to play is QW. And I wonder if I can keep my studying with linguistics and languages alive if I install this game. So another reason to not to play this game again _yet_.

nQuake is all you need.

heh, i was halfway through writing a wall of text (much like some of you above) about how i've been playing countless games of ffa for 15 years now (i btw completely agree with frs on the matter of evoution of ffa over the quake titles), how it was always my most preffered mode, how they ruined it completely now making it generic and soulless introducing loadouts, blah blah blah, and tried to come up with some constructive thought-out criticism and suggestions for improvements. but then it hit me.. it's not like that was going to change anything. so yeah, fuck that. it's broken now. and will not be unbroken.






















hey, psssst.. it's the loadouts.

I really like the new FFA. It is less intense because it doesn't require thinking about position, timing, weapon control etc as much as before. Great players don't dominate maps too much and newbs are still getting frags.

I would say however, I think there should be team sizes
determined by the map. Most maps 6 should be the max. Any more and it becomes a spammy cess. You need to give players the opportunity to explore a little bit, and not just fight constantly. With 8 players someone is always spawning or fighting near you.

The loadouts are really fun.

This is coming from a 2100elo dueler.

I also found the old FFA quite boring.

I like the fact that the game is less intense, and controlled. But I am not sure about the [Great players don't dominate maps too much] part nor the [and newbs are still getting frags] I just see more drop offs in the quit / switched zone, or really bad kdr for the newbs.

And I am by no where near great, so shows its a bit topsey turvey.
One simple example is the quits for 8 player games:
http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/matches/p3...fd90/ffa/1

only 2 remained on top, the rest dominated, the rest quit. Mid joining FFA is not great, as you usually lose head start and rotation, as I can imagine you understand from a duellers perspective.

You look at some better FFA players, (I am about 2500, maybe should be higher or lower, I don't know? as all my games have not been scanned on qlranks) but and they are doing much more insane server clearance

So I am not a massive fan of 8 player due to the balance with this server clearance drop off. (not fun running round big maps in 4 player situations) You are probably so used to duel with 1v1 that you can play on a 1v1 "map size". Which is suited perfectly. But you must remember that DUEL is without being Fully LOADED OUT multiply that up by 8 players - 16 fully loaded and see.


On the other side playing with 16 players there seems to be less of a drop off for e.g.:
http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/matches/p3...fd90/ffa/1

Switch / quit is not what this game mode needs lower numbers seem to increase drop off imo with the better players rampaging.. Can't be good for retention?

If you have 2100 elo in Duel, what is your FFA elo? my Duel elo is pants :)

I like to watch some of the top players in duel for sure, but after watching some duels recently, I have seen some trends of low scoring wins, and some funny scorelines of 0v0 0v-1 back to 0v0 back to 0v-1, to 0v0 to 0v1. No disrespect to the skill of Duellers at all, but quite the opposite, as this is a major part at the top of FFA competition.

BUT the point is, can you imagine trying to reach the 50 frag limit, you'd be there for frigging ages!

lol

This is coming from a 2748 elo FFAer.


But everybody is entitled to have his/her own opinion.

lol ffa elo lol, lol

lol

Yeah, up until 2700.

But if it's so lol, I'm expecting to see you in top 8 soon. Otherwise, it's just clueless loling.

the loll's re comment #26, it's ironically funny, but yes it is funny, and not funny at the same time ;)

I would be interested to hear which mode you started playing first, in which game title?

WARNING upping the stakes!

So more of my answer to you: as this is to do with the

concept

I may not be everyone's cup of tea from this read, but it's from my viewpoint maybe others I do not know.

The core elements of FFA, which is true DM, are elements "for duel", not the other way round. They also then are applied to Team games like CTF, TDM CA and DOM, Team FT other single games like Race, FTFFA, instagib etc.

From FFA you learn most core disciplines and elements: (which are not complete, but just as example)
timing of items
more combat skills
strategy
spawns
movement
aim
dmg delivered knowledge
understanding you opponents strategy / weaknesses
sound cues
positioning
weapon choice
speed of weapon change
dodge
weapon situation usage
adaption to others game style
tactics for defence
tactics for attack
tactics for survival
tactics for when to attack and when not to
reaction readiness
areas of no go
your own stack knowledge
and when to be less visible
decision making
etc
and many more i'm sure?

Not always in FFA on a 1v1 basis, but in a "multiple" combat situations.

That's what makes FFA great, as the "top" FFA player's have all of those areas combined. You can still get the ones in FFA whom, like duel, who can out play with their skill set. But that's their skills and way of play, which you again have to adapt to.

Duel perhaps you can be an excellent timer with some average other skills, and one or two excellent core skillz alone, e.g. very good at movement, stalking, decision making, or very good at sniping from a distance, or just excellent at combat, or have a combination of skill levels at each of the disciplines above.

However there are some duellers who are absolutely shit at combat unless they have a better stack, and some shit at other areas, and some who are well rounded, and some not exceptional at any, but good at most. Like me I cannot time for peanuts in duel, but I have an idea when things will roughly spawn, (but I am messed up as I learnt with the 30 seconds and 1 minute timers), nor have the time or patience to adapt to stalkers. I just want to rush the bitch, and bash them a bit and have some "fun" (ffa) in combat :)

It's the people like the top duellers, like Cypher, Toxic, Evil, Rapha, Dahang who have that ability to do ALL of the disciplines in DUEL, which are again core units from within FFA/DM. Not just on a 1on1 situation, but one player after another constant, and manage the other disciplines, etc etc There are some exceptions who have a strong sense of time and positioning, and timing of combat, that also make them good, or just good quad whores / spawn rapers :). But this again comes from multiple practise with multiple BOTS and FFA as the origin.

Was TOny a fluke? I don't think so.

This is not about FFA players are better or worse than Duellers, but this is about the concept of learning the game, and gaining all of the elements to be massively successful, and transferrable into other singular or team modes.

These elements or disciplines learnt in FFA, which have been removed by the Loadout's, is the big concern, and not solely the Loadout's btw ofc.

Then there's the transferrable skills, for wanting to say "hey I like this shit, I want to do this with my 4-7 buddies, on the same team side and work together" that's what has made DM and FFA a great place to start, gain friends, on a multiple basis, and have a stong player base, transferrable into other modes.

And they have actually learnt the game more, instead of learning a 1v1 singular game dimension, and a newbs introduction to slaughter at the hands of a higher classed elo player in DUEL. This newb has fewer of the disciplines above to beat their opponents, and it will take ages to even get to that level in a 1v1 situation. (There are always exceptions to progression ofc).

Some DUEL methods are not great in other team modes. As you get one nub trying to sit and rail camp areas, who has only learnt "ONE WEAPON" doing sod all for the team in a CTF game. (again Loadout mess up)

So less lol, seriously, as generally, players at the top of FFA rankings, are those who encounter multiple players, from the same DM / FFA background, and are generally more "rounded in all of the disciplines above". I would go as far to say that generally they have a better all round skill, transferrable into other modes. Not just movement or some duel methods.

I have not mentioned people like Winz, l1nk1n, demon, FOX and other players from other disciplines, but these players have excellent all rounded skillz, transferrable into all disciplines.

However my FFA, concept is not always fitting into some peoples progression. Some just get "quake" and can do all modes. Would be interesting to know, "where" these top players people started?

Strenx is another player with excellent top levels disciplines, but may get out combatted in some situations close range, but only against the TOP Duellers. (I am not sure, but I think he sort of comes from a practice practice practice "offline" background. Not sure, correct me if I am wrong?)

Then there's Cooller, another all round magician, has everything of the above, on a good day has them all at the very top. Would be interesting to know where did he come from? as he adapts to all game modes.

THE CHALLENGE
I could prove this if you get the top 8 duellers and the top 8 FFA players onto servers, in a 8 server and a 16 server situation, and you would see, out of each of those players, whom had the most overall ability to adapt to "ALL quake Disciplines" situations. The top 4/8 out of each would be the answer, with respect to dmg given and dmg received, and if they are clever enough kdr for the FFA added bonus win or loss. The challenge is there, just go qlranks and get them onto a few servers.

And I do not know who's input or what reasoning or manipulation was done, to keep duel as it is, and mess up the other modes, but however money driven or popularity driven this idea is to keep Duel the same and change the rest, it is a backward step.

sorry for the long read, but I am sure this right..........

Considering Quakes, it's Quake 1 shareware in late 96, FFA.

But first overall FPSes were Catacomb Abyss, Blake Stone and Wolfenstein 3D shareware.

First PC game on my OWN PC was Prince of Persia. Before that I had a NES and had some friends with C-64 and Atari 2600.

Prince of Persia, nice one, I like all of the Sonic, and Crashbandicoot series :/0 C and RedAlert was also a must back in 1996 but Quake took over time

Favs on NES:

MEGA MAN 3
Super Mario Bros 3
Kirby's Adventure
The Jetsons
Captain Skyhawk
Super Mario + Duckhunt (+light gun)+ Tetris
The Legend of Zelda
Final Fantasy

Hi Freiya :)

o/


Using a new account since August. Wanted to change nick, I was even premium, but you know, I'm not pavel and stuff. But 5 months later I still like the new one (which is a miracle) so I guess that's the final version. : D

FFA ruleset is not right yet, will it be?

An example below of how I tried to get an Experienced New player to the game to stay in the game.

But joining a FFA was not a pleasurable experience for them.

Retention for whatever reason is a biggie: This is their reaction from the other day.

played a number of games, quit and uninstalled. So this is the reaction from then.

19:24 - p3l3_DynoDeath: I can help with the transition into the game.
19:26 - *********: no i dont really like the game
19:26 - *********: i spawn in rockets
19:26 - *********: make no sense
19:30 - p3l3_DynoDeath: yes well
19:30 - p3l3_DynoDeath: I understand
19:30 - p3l3_DynoDeath: we have been campaigning to get that fixed
19:30 - p3l3_DynoDeath: but I can help you understand the best weapons to load out with

21:53 - p3l3_DynoDeath: i'm sorry to hear that, but it can be fun, if you want to practise. Come do a different mode with me
21:54 - p3l3_DynoDeath: 1v1 just to show you the weapons etc
21:54 - *********: i already deleted the game :) but thanks for helping me
21:54 - p3l3_DynoDeath: haha
21:54 - p3l3_DynoDeath: ok :)


GAH!! not interested..


The attempted conversion:

21:54 - p3l3_DynoDeath: np's, I think you could be very good at it though
21:55 - *********: yes I was first a couple of time.. first time playing but i don't like that everyone is spamming rockets lol and if you spawn you get hit right away
21:55 - p3l3_DynoDeath: yes, that's the main problem with that.
21:55 - p3l3_DynoDeath: That's all very NEW you know
21:55 - p3l3_DynoDeath: they changed it recently



21:56 - *********: maybe if I have no other games to play I will try it out again but thanks for trying to help me
21:57 - p3l3_DynoDeath: no worries
21:57 - p3l3_DynoDeath: If you do decide for a bit of fun
21:57 - p3l3_DynoDeath: come join me on a server just to test weapons
21:57 - p3l3_DynoDeath: It doesn't show up on stats
21:57 - p3l3_DynoDeath: like just a practise thing
21:57 - p3l3_DynoDeath: I can show you movement and all
21:57 - p3l3_DynoDeath: and the things needed, You have a lot of it anyway
21:58 - p3l3_DynoDeath: but whenever ;)
21:58 - *********: the movement is fine I killed everyone who was in front of me but then I get spammed with rockets



Was it a success and worthwhile effort??, maybe, with more hours of chat that they will actually stay in the game...

21:58 - p3l3_DynoDeath: that's good then
21:58 - p3l3_DynoDeath: All I do now
21:59 - p3l3_DynoDeath: is turn round straight away after spawn
21:59 - p3l3_DynoDeath: REM that was only "one" mode
21:59 - p3l3_DynoDeath: that was FFA
21:59 - p3l3_DynoDeath: there is CA, CTF, TDM DUEL Attack & Defend
21:59 - p3l3_DynoDeath: They do not have that effect
21:59 - p3l3_DynoDeath: nor that bad spam balance
21:59 - p3l3_DynoDeath: that's just the mess they have made with FFA
22:00 - p3l3_DynoDeath: just since the last month
22:00 - p3l3_DynoDeath: everyone is up in arms about it
22:00 - *********: ohh well maybe I try it out later

22:00 - p3l3_DynoDeath: good :)
22:00 - p3l3_DynoDeath: I will show you CA
22:00 - p3l3_DynoDeath: you will like that and Attack and defend
22:00 - p3l3_DynoDeath: it is quite like bf4 idea
22:01 - p3l3_DynoDeath: with flags and 2 bases
22:01 - p3l3_DynoDeath: Domination is another
22:01 - p3l3_DynoDeath: it is base control thing
22:01 - p3l3_DynoDeath: similar
22:01 - p3l3_DynoDeath: All not like SPAM fest the FFA is


We will have to see.

think you might have made a mistake with the urls?

oh yeah I see that, I will have a look into where it is at (hardly rem wtf I was on about :))

took out the space limiter, what's the game like now? I have not played in ages.