Signed. You are hurting paying customers with this move, since all PQL servers are now empty or gone. The paying customers need the non-paying users.

Exactly. I'm actually stunned by how clueless sync/sponge are with all these recent (proposed) changes.

That's not all of it. The would-be paying customers won't pay for their first games. So if they can't play some for free, without any barrier of entry, chances are none will stick to pay. That's why all the biggest games nowadays are like that.

I like this option. They should allow you to say play 50 games for free with full access to all the features.

Actually I'm not suggesting that. Taking things away that were free is bad for business. Even more so, getting players addicted to your system is very valuable.

Just because a teen maxed out his 50 games and wants more, but can't convince his mommy right now to buy him pro doesn't mean that he won't steal money from her purse to do it a month later.

They can limit features, but it must be new features, you can't take away old ones.

So then they delete account, create another, and play 50 more games, repeat? hmmm

If you think this is bad, just wait till you see what else QL 2.0 has to offer!

judging from the list I wasn't that fussed about it as it made the normal servers closer to the PQL servers i played on (easier to gain speed, faster respawns, maybe faster weapon switches)...also they would (I assume) only apply to pure public servers rather than those spawned by pro subscribers

Forum admins better not infringe on my 1st amendment rights

lmao

I'm sorry this happened to you.

This is soooooooo sad LOL.

Don't worry, in the new QL you will have to buy a pro sub to even have a weapon ingame, so aircontrol seems to be the minor problem...

http://www.reflexfps.net/

"a competitive arcade fps"

rofl

?

Just out of curiosity how many of the regular players on the Rocketbunny servers are players that pay for subs?

not sure, was no need to ask before & dont speak to any of them outside the server so difficult to ask now. so no point in paying since theres no guarantee of getting 7v7

you've never had any intention of paying

doesnt make my point any less valid

These motherfucks want to milk money off super hardcore players (the few that play promode). Bastards, they dont even respect them.

What? The few that play promode... play promode.

It's like you are on a competition to make the shitiest reply.

Well why do you think that all of a sudden, after 6 years of not playing PQL do you think the promoders are suddenly id's target audience for pro subscription?

When I say "promode" i mean PQL.
Most people playing PQL are 99% oldschool players anyway. So you tell me what the fuck do they gain if they are targeting the 13 guys that may play in PQL mode.

got a source for those stats?

In North America, a tiny fraction of CPM players play PQL, in fact they are, me, Rain, lancer, panic... the rest don't even have QL installed.

so it could be 99%

"a tiny fraction of CPM players play PQL"

haha, wow. i thought you were trolling but this is (un)real :d

the invite system is dead?

invite is for pickups

Gg then

Dird...

Did Syncerror help you?

lol at all you fools still playing this game.

Big Deal.

Zangief has been raped for the last 3 versions of the game and I still keep buying their 'upgrades'.

You will too.

wait are u calling gief bad in ultra?

SSF42012AE
http://www.eventhubs.com/images/2014/jun/03/a...-2nd-2014/

Ultra SF4
http://www.eventhubs.com/tiers/sf4/

There is the data from the last 2 versions.

There was a SSF4 version before 2012 which seemed to die quick,but that is where they started the butchery and its got more depressing ever since.

He was top 10 in SF4 in 2010, and as I said, he's been fucked for 4 years running now.

i could write a tierlist in wordpad and have as much credibility as a public vote on eventhubs

Buy Jackie Chan upgrade...

HAHAHA YATTA!
V(^^)

"You have received an infraction at QUAKE LIVE Forums"
Reason: Quit or Boycott Post

fuuuuu.1st amendment rights

bye

They're just doing their job to keep their free pro subscription. Don't take it personally, they're prob bored seeing as how dead the ql forums are now adays.

Hehe I love the infractions

YOU HAVE RECEIVED AN INFRACTION, FOOL!

"its pretty simple - we need to encourage people who freeload the game into paying for it. Then the $$ wouldn't need to be chased and the game wouldn't need to be changed. As it stands I'm a big boy and can accept changes, and realize the reality of the commercial environment. All things change or they stagnate"
-4n4gr4m

^^ wise man

If it enforces more people to chip in and still manages to maintain a steady player count, I have to agree with this. I frankly don't mind playing with the same bunch on servers like Bombel or Mino. The biggest fear is the eventuality of people retiring and how do we replace them with fresh blood to maintain the playerbase needed to keep this thing running.

Yes, I am quite disappointed how few people in our local community don't even have a premium account that play this game 20hours plus a week. Sure its an old game, but damn its like the price of 3 beers a month to support the game you love.

nobody wants to support a company (id software) that doens't care about its playerbase, especially the newcomers to the game who just get stomped on, in their first day in ql.

the really really REALLY scary thing is that this is precisely what is going to happen to normal Quake aka "classic" if the leaked updates get implemented in their current form.

I'm still waiting for SyncError to help you.

And unless you're an US citizen you can brag about 1st amendment all you want, it's not your constitution lol.

woah... these decisions are absolutely awful, holy shit i can't believe it.