ESR - New Community Quake live Tournament

<< Comment #1 @ 23:33 CDT, 2 June 2014 >>

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amOKchen

Sure looks interesting, irc #?

<< Comment #5 @ 14:41 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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QLChamps - Reply to #1

We are working on getting an IRC up right now!

We didn't consider having an IRC until very recently, so please bear with us while we set it up.

<< Comment #2 @ 01:59 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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CENEk

4. Duel Ruleset:
-10 minute limit, with a maximum of 5 overtimes permitted.

3. As previously specified, in Duel, only five overtimes are permitted.
3.1-If the match is not resolved by that time, then an extra map will be played.

This would at best be distracting to have to think about during a game, I think.

<< Comment #8 @ 14:41 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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QLChamps - Reply to #2

The player need not think about the rule during gameplay; it is up to the referee of the match to simply enforce the rule. This segment was included in the player rulebook just to make sure that all players know the basic rules before they jump in.

If there is a better system (we just want to avoid having one match go on for too long; we thought it would be better to just play another map if it gets to 5 overtimes without a decisive winner), then by all means, feel free to tell us your thoughts. We're open to suggestions at all times.

<< Comment #9 @ 14:50 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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amOKchen - Reply to #8

To be fair, it prety much a suspense killer if a tied match is stopped in the fifth overtime.
Should be played out.

Though overtimes like that is very very rare.

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<< Comment #10 @ 14:57 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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QLChamps - Reply to #9

OK, that is a very valid point. I'll amend the rulebook and remove any such overtime restriction.

Thank you for the feedback!

*Edit: Rulebook has now been amended.

Edited by QLChamps at 15:00 CDT, 3 June 2014

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<< Comment #11 @ 16:03 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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ollir - Reply to #8

What? The extra map is basically a 10 minutes overtime. How is that going to prevent the match from going on for too long?

Edited by ollir at 16:28 CDT, 3 June 2014

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<< Comment #16 @ 16:46 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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QLChamps - Reply to #11

We've amended the overtime restriction to allow for as many overtimes as it takes to determine a clear winner, and did away with the clause specifying an extra map. I hope this is a more efficient system.

<< Comment #20 @ 18:06 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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jstn - Reply to #16

It will be. Besides, it's pretty unlikely that a match would even go that far. I can only think of like two times in my life I've seen a duel go beyond 2-3 overtimes.

<< Comment #3 @ 06:11 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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Freiya

Set number of overtimes allowed? WTF

<< Comment #7 @ 14:41 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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QLChamps - Reply to #3

We just wanted to avoid having one map drag on for too long. From what we've seen from Duels in the past, matches rarely even go that long; so we thought that five overtimes would be a fair limit. If there is a better system to this, then please feel free to make a suggestion for any amendments we could implement! Your feedback is always welcome.

*Edit: The rulebook has been amended to remove any and all restrictions on overtimes (for all gamemodes). I hope this is a more satisfactory system.

Edited by QLChamps at 14:58 CDT, 3 June 2014

<< Comment #4 @ 10:29 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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pacmanpl '

is there no cmss rule?

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<< Comment #6 @ 14:41 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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QLChamps - Reply to #4

I'm sorry, but we're not familiar with what you mean by "cmss rule." Could you please clarify so we can respond in a more detailed manner?

<< Comment #12 @ 16:16 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #6

If player is named "cmss" he shouldn't be allowed to take part in a tournament :)
It's an old and proven way of keeping air free of shit.

<< Comment #15 @ 16:46 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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QLChamps - Reply to #12

So if I'm understanding this right, the cmss rule keeps certain players (in particular, cmss) automatically banned from the tournament?

We would, honestly, prefer to give all players an equal opportunity to participate. That said, we will exercise extreme caution in allowing players to remain in tournament play- any sort of inappropriate behaviour (whether it be spamming anything in chat or talking down to other players in server) will result in punitive measures. Specifically, these are the measures that will be employed:

2. Any player who are caught spamming /callvotes, derogatory comments of any nature will be kicked.
2.1-A warning will be provided ONCE after excessive behaviour is observed.
2.2-If the behaviour continues during the match or gameplay session, or as long as the
player is online, the player will be kicked.
2.3-If the behaviour continues to be a problem, then the player will be banned for the season.
2.4-If such behaviour continues, and referees resort to a third kick, the player will be banned permanently.

I hope the pertinent rules we have devised for such behaviour work for any such issues; if they seem too lenient or harsh, please let us know so we can fix it before the tournament starts!

<< Comment #17 @ 17:12 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #15

I hope no one will accidently press some "nice lowsense, faggot" bind :D
Sounds good, gl :)

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<< Comment #31 @ 21:29 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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Freiya - Reply to #15

Nah, there ARE some players whom you don't want to give an equal opportunity, period.

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<< Comment #33 @ 21:45 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #15

cmss is a UK player that is pretty much the biggest troll quake ever had. His hobby is to ruin community efforts. He's been like that for about a year I think, to this day.

That's probably the reason why he suggested to add the ever useful "no cmss rule", of not allowing him to take place in the cup in any shape or form, such as playing, spectating in the server, irc (IP included as he impersonates players too), twitch chat if streamed, etc. Without that rule anything can happen. He's banned in several places and muted/ignored by many users in twitch, if not most in quake.

The other player that ruins cups is agent, from russia. He is not as toxic as cmss is, but he's been banned many times from 125fps and faceit cups for a reason. He is more notorious however because agent actually is a very good player.

Edited by megaman3 at 21:53 CDT, 3 June 2014

<< Comment #36 @ 21:57 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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QLChamps - Reply to #33

We hold a policy of equal opportunity for all players; but if cmss and such players are so toxic (with sufficient proof provided; ingame screenshots are perfectly acceptable), then we would have no choice but to prevent them from taking part.

<< Comment #38 @ 00:11 CDT, 4 June 2014 >>

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Vig1lante - Reply to #36

Bastard.

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<< Comment #60 @ 14:51 CDT, 18 June 2014 >>

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Freiya - Reply to #36

Do yourself a favor and search "cmss esr". No need for any screenshots, just read a bit.

<< Comment #63 @ 06:45 CDT, 20 June 2014 >>

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ihve - Reply to #60

while cmss is a massive troll and next agent, I can perfectly accept QlChamps' decision not to blank ban anyone from tournament until they broke any rule

after all, we wouldn't be ESR regulars if we didn't like drama.

Edited by ihve at 06:46 CDT, 20 June 2014

<< Comment #49 @ 18:41 CDT, 8 June 2014 >>

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obi - Reply to #33

i must have missed all this drama, what has he done in the past?

<< Comment #52 @ 19:14 CDT, 8 June 2014 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #49

Absolutely nothing worth noting.
Just some guy having fun on the net, pretending to be empty-headed to bait replies etc.

<< Comment #55 @ 13:03 CDT, 17 June 2014 >>

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jstn - Reply to #33

What the hell did Agent do?

<< Comment #56 @ 18:10 CDT, 17 June 2014 >>

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rayu - Reply to #55

you've been hiding under a rock the last years? :)

<< Comment #57 @ 19:36 CDT, 17 June 2014 >>

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jstn - Reply to #56

Actually yeah, kind of haha. Up until about a month ago I hadn't logged into Quakelive or ESR for a good two years.

<< Comment #58 @ 20:14 CDT, 17 June 2014 >>

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rayu - Reply to #57

there's much more, but here's a starter:
http://esreality.com/post/2600410/agent-feedback-thread/

<< Comment #13 @ 16:24 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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FlashSoul

The random matchups thing is quite a weird idea but whatever. You will absolutely need rules regarding ping/server choice.

Good luck.

<< Comment #14 @ 16:46 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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QLChamps - Reply to #13

Thank you for your comment!

Regarding ping/server choice:

We will do our best to run several servers that work for people pinging from the East Coast and the West Coast (so at least one server for each side). In this way, we hope to make it so that extreme differences in ping do not occur. However, we must give this disclaimer: While we will try our best to accommodate people, no matter where they come from, we cannot absolutely guarantee a low-ping environment for every single person.

<< Comment #18 @ 17:30 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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lat-is-davis

You should verify whether or not it is a North American or European tournament as the majority of ESR readers are European.

<< Comment #19 @ 17:48 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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higgs - Reply to #18

This guy has NA written all over him.

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<< Comment #22 @ 18:35 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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FlashSoul - Reply to #19

I assumed it would be European in the beginning but then he talked about East/West coast. In hindsight, it was obvious from the start.

<< Comment #23 @ 18:42 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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QLChamps - Reply to #18

Ah, right.

Our servers will be North American only for now. If there is enough interest from across the pond, however, we will do our best to acquire some servers in Europe to allow for more people to participate.

I'll edit the main post for that.

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FlashSoul - Reply to #23

hmmmm how you're talking about "acquiring" and "running" servers (as well as some other things) leaves me wondering. Are you somehow unfamiliar and relatively new to QL, your experience coming more from Q3's old days? I mean no offence with that, I'm just kinda curious.

<< Comment #26 @ 19:22 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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QLChamps - Reply to #24

What we mean by "acquiring" and "running" servers is that we will have select people (and ourselves) spawn servers for the duration of QLC (the Competitive and Casual streams [which will be password protected], along with open servers on some days). Right now, we only have people from North America who are willing to spawn servers for us- and since we are ourselves in North America, any servers we spawn ourselves will be North American.

If your question remains unfulfilled, please feel free to message us here (I do believe that ESReality has a private messaging feature).

<< Comment #27 @ 19:27 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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FlashSoul - Reply to #26

Nah your explanations were fine, thanks.

<< Comment #21 @ 18:28 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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sleepii

ya wtf this post is lacking so much info its crazy

<< Comment #25 @ 19:22 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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QLChamps - Reply to #21

Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts!

First I would like to warn you that the tone and language that you have used is not appropriate for this thread. This thread is designed to inform people on such a fantastic opportunity and to answer and see respectful questions and opinions.

In regards to your actual comment, we are not sure what you exactly mean by "lacking so much info". What exactly do you think we are lacking? Again, if you have any questions, you are more than welcome to post them here so that it may be answered promptly.

Have a nice day and hope to see you at the tournament!

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<< Comment #29 @ 21:11 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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Ephemix - Reply to #25

Here's a warning to QLChamps to avoid responding to inflammatory posts with any kind of show of emotion or self-worth; ESR will latch onto anything as small as your warning to sleepparalyst and your cup probably won't survive the ensuing death spiral.

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<< Comment #32 @ 21:35 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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QLChamps - Reply to #29

Thank you for the warning. We'll do our best to not feed the trolls.

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sleepii - Reply to #29

you're a retard... see how that was inflammatory?

good.

Now my actual point as to his lacking info were the comments already mentioned above me. and if he doesn't realize what the lacking information was prior to posting the thread then he clearly doesn't understand the knowhow and fundamentals about hosting a tournament. Although I will gladly support/play in this if more information does come out!

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QLChamps - Reply to #34

We'd just like to know what information you feel is lacking from the thread and links provided so that we can give you that information. This is my personal first time working on tournaments (I'm but one member of the team), so if you could help me (and us) improve on anything, then please feel free to let us know.

<< Comment #39 @ 00:39 CDT, 4 June 2014 >>

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Ephemix - Reply to #34

no u

You told QLChamps that he was missing something. Your comment could have gone a few ways from there.

You could have specifically told him what he was missing so he could live up to your standards. This would have been good.

What you actually did was refrain from telling him what he was missing. Then, you used the fact that he didn't know what you knew to assert that he didn't know what he was doing. This is inflammatory because (assumption) he wants to be a part of hosting this tournament and he wants to be good at it.

Bottom-line, you told him that he was doing something wrong and then insulted him without telling him how to improve what he was doing. This is inflammatory. This is textbook troll, even if you had good intentions.

<< Comment #42 @ 02:25 CDT, 4 June 2014 >>

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sleepii - Reply to #39

How did I insult him? lmfao.

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Ephemix - Reply to #42

You told him that he didn't understand how to do something that he wants to be good at doing.

<< Comment #50 @ 18:42 CDT, 8 June 2014 >>

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obi - Reply to #25

"First I would like to warn you that the tone and language that you have used is not appropriate for this thread."

fuck u

Edited by obi at 18:42 CDT, 8 June 2014

<< Comment #59 @ 08:53 CDT, 18 June 2014 >>

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ihve - Reply to #50

hahaha welcome to ESR, there is only one place worse on the internet and it's /r/spacedicks

<< Comment #28 @ 20:28 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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Teen Queen '

"First I would like to warn you that the tone and language that you have used is not appropriate for this thread. This thread is designed to inform people on such a fantastic opportunity and to answer and see respectful questions and opinions. "

The fuck you talking about

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<< Comment #30 @ 21:15 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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FlashSoul - Reply to #28

Sir, I shall ask you to correct your behaviour or leave these grounds without causing any more ruckus. Your cooperation would be greatly appreciated.

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<< Comment #35 @ 21:50 CDT, 3 June 2014 >>

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sleepii - Reply to #28

ya right? like the guys' new to the internet or something

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function9 - Reply to #28

Very gauche sir. Please refrain from using such vulgarities or I shall have you removed from the internets henceforth!

<< Comment #41 @ 01:10 CDT, 4 June 2014 >>

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takesix

Oh well, glhf i guess, i don't understand the idea behind having random pairings instead of proper seedings but i wish you best luck.
Maybe try to get the games on a stream so american players can get their egoboost fix.

And yeah, maybe drop that overly formal language here, it feels weird.

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sleepii

Maybe im the only seeing the obvious gaps in the information, but I guess I'll be slightly more clear in my intent this time...

what are "Casual Team Games" ? How will this portion of the day be organized vs the duel portion?

Also, the duel method doesn't seem like it would work. What if you put two really good players vs each other at the very beginning.

What is the format for duel? Double elim brackets? Group Stage into Single elim playoff? are there set times for when people will be able to play? How will u seed players?

why does the tournament stretch out for a month (in terms of time span)? If its only one tournament, can't u wrap it up over a weekend?

etc

etc

etc

etccccc

I would really refer you to the 125 FPS threads (look on the side panels for more info on those) and make a thread in that format providing all the info that way. They've got a good format.

Edited by sleepparalysist at 02:53 CDT, 4 June 2014

<< Comment #44 @ 12:19 CDT, 4 June 2014 >>

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QLChamps - Reply to #43

Thank you for your questions!

1. Casual Team Games are simply games with the game mode CA. The teams are preplanned or we will fit you in one if you are alone. The main difference between the competitive and casual streams is that competitive stream is the only stream with actual prizes at the end.

2. They will be random in the sense that no one can request to duel someone else. We ourselves will match up the initial rounds. Using statistic from QLranks we an confidently determine the players most likely to succeed out of the pool of competitors. Just have good faith in us that we will make this tournament very fun and exciting instead of a boring one sided blowout.

3. As we have mentioned in the original post, out elimination style is quite simplistic and fair. For the first rounds the winner of a certain battle will be a best of three. So we have player x fighting player y. The first round player x will decide his map of choice and duel there. The second round will be player y's choice of map and again the duel will happen. If one player has won both rounds then the winner is determined for that battle. If not, then the referee will choose a random map and the last duel for that battle will be run there. This is so that either player has an equal chance to show off what they got and also get a challenge!

4. The time period given is not how long the competitive stream will last. It is the general time frame of the season. We are planning on having open and the casual stream running longer than the competitive stream.

Thank you for the questions! If you have any more questions or concerns you are encouraged to do so!

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obi - Reply to #44

lol "battle"

<< Comment #45 @ 13:07 CDT, 4 June 2014 >>

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DuskAU

Why am I reading all of QLChamps posts in a Russian accent?

I don't know, but it's awesome.

GL with your tournament.

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<< Comment #47 @ 04:44 CDT, 8 June 2014 >>

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amOKchen

So I wonder

Will you soon annonce dates, times and duration for each individual tournament?

<< Comment #48 @ 15:57 CDT, 8 June 2014 >>

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QLChamps - Reply to #47

If by each individual tournament you mean the competition date, time, and duration for each individual matchup (from qualifiers and on), then we will be announcing all relevant information next week (by the 15th of June, to be precise). Right now we're still in the registration phase- so we want to wait a bit longer before making matchups, for fairness' sake.

We're in the same situation for the team matches- we're still accepting registrations.

Overall, we'll be running within the timespan posted above, with the Competitive duel cup running first. Then when the duel cup is finished, we'll move on to the CA (casual) matches. We will have matches running every weekday, with the first matches starting around 8 PM EST, and we'll do about two hours every day.

<< Comment #53 @ 15:09 CDT, 16 June 2014 >>

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amOKchen - Reply to #48

What is the newest development?

<< Comment #54 @ 12:13 CDT, 17 June 2014 >>

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QLChamps - Reply to #53

Right now, we have 10 people signed up for the Duel cup. Signups close tomorrow, and all people involved will be emailed their schedules and all relevant information by this Friday. So if you want to play in Duel, then remember to sign up by tomorrow!

As for CA, we have two people who are looking for a team to play with. So for CA as well, we have a lot of slots left.

TL;DR: we have people signed up, we will be emailing all participants their information by this Friday, and sign up ASAP if you haven't already!

<< Comment #61 @ 22:06 CDT, 18 June 2014 >>

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