do you have evidence for a ban due to server abort? the rape kicking is just a regular rager, a bad loser

check what the guy wrote in video description, he recorded a demo and got the server owner banned.

+ makie got banned 2 times for the same thing in last 2 weeks

i dont see where id is involved there

well they do the banning?

unless there's some auto ban system i'm not aware of

the way i understand it he might have reported him for cheating and got away with it

what the hell does cheating have to do with anything here?

i mean false accusation in order to get him bannned

I submitted a ticket saying he was aborting games because he was losing along with a demo of him doing this.

well wow, 1. he is a dick for doing it. 2. you are a dick for reporting it. 3. id is a dick for banning him.

Why is he a dick for reporting admin abuse? :C

I think that, in some cultures, reporting a crime is seen as badly as committing one.

The ghetto?
EDIT: Quake is a ghetto

especially in cultures where something like gay sex is criminal.

admin abuse, come on! he was a bad loser and raged not a big deal happens ever 5th game. On another note it is his server and therefore his legit right to do with it or the players on it whatever he wants. I think a ban should be pronounced upon real "crime" like cheat. and not this kindergarten bullshit we are not in North Korea after all.

He kicks people mid game, resulting in a lot of quits for players who join his server - if he doesn't wish to play them, kindly kick/ban before the match starts.

Do you even play ql?

Guy sets up a public server and then kicks out ppl who beat him. If he can rage and do this kind of shit why can't his "victims" rage and report him?

because it is not a report reason. hes a retard for sure but thats not a reason for ban. it is your goddamn right to be a retard after all.

It most definitely is a report reason. It's id's responsibility to make the gaming experience as pleasant for QL players as possible, and that includes trimming down people who are being malicious on purpose.

Condoning shit like that, especially community-wise is exactly why there's not more new blood trickling into QL. Times have changed, people have a smaller abuse threshold than, say, 10 years ago. There need to be changes to accommodate that trend.

so give him an 'abortion' stamp for his profile and servers. publicly shame him into behaving. teach him a lesson instead of sending him to be a shitbag in some other game.

Yeah, because people with a history of bullying and abuse are most effectively subdued by giving them a taste of their own medicine. Guys like that are cancer and they need to be neatly cut out of the game entirely. Half-measures only serve to encourage them.

i was thinking more that it would give people the information needed to avoid their servers, and that maybe they would either stop creating servers or stop doing it or continue being ostracized.

My point is that most of them would wear a "complete idiot, avoid at all costs" tag like a badge of honor. It's all about attention, doesn't matter how it's obtained. Look at someone like _Daddy. He revels in the fact that he got banned like ten thousand times from QL. He thinks it makes him special. He doesn't care what other people think about him. It just wouldn't work.

my position is that it is better to give people the information necessary to take care of themselves than to give an authority power to control people.

even if _daddy wears his idiocy as a badge of honor, his badge informs others of the quality of his character. those who choose to associate with _daddy do so because they choose to. those who are ignorant to his badge's meaning will learn its meaning quickly.

how somebody like _daddy feels is irrelevant, but if you look through the history of posts on this site, you will find that banning does nothing to curtail narcissistic behavior of cheaters. the conclusion i've formed after years of playing cs and quake is that banning people like this serves to influence their behavior, and in some cases prompts more severely disruptive and destructive behavior.

if your goal is to prove to somebody like _daddy that they aren't as special as they think, perhaps you should spend some introspective time reflecting on why you feel compelled to prove anything to somebody so simple and pathetic.

my goal here is only to question the reasoning behind reactions to disruptive players, and to provide what i believe to be are more valuable solutions. in essence: give players the information they need to craft their own experiences in game, rather than forcing all players to experience the game as a vocal minority desires.

if you'd like to respond to that, i will be happy to have a discussion with you.

I don't have any goal here or the need to prove anything to anyone. It's all very simple, I'm confused as to why you're making it so complicated - someone is being a dick, they get warned (a temporary ban is a form of warning). They continue being a dick after that - they get thrown the fuck out. It's a very elegant and effective process of eliminating undesirables and people too dense, stubborn or fucked up to get what they are doing wrong.

This isn't the place to conduct social studies on what makes people act nasty in video games and what would alleviate or reinforce negative behaviour. It's about making the game environment better not helping some autistic cunt become a better person.

yeah like "ABORTED FETUSS" "BEWARE"

i agree with you but id never cared before. Why would they start caring now?

I don't know, but if they did it would be great.

yes
but people who weren't banned 3 years ago have a following now. not sure if these bans matter anymore

Weather he is a retard or not is irrelevant, he is acting against the rules on a repeated basis and got a temporary suspensions for doing so.

I just fail to see your reasoning behind this, player consciously removes others from his public server during the match, if you want only selected few to join your server then use a password or like I said, kick before the match starts.

Danstar used to do this all the time in CTF matches. He kicked me (using my alias account) several times because I was the highest scorer on the opposing team and his team were losing. I'm not that good so who knows how often he did that to other players who are actually very good... Don't know if he still does it, maybe it was only when he had just got Pro that the power just went to his head, but still I wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror if I reported him. I just add him to my list of blocked idiots and carry on enjoying the game on other servers. I don't think reporting is needed really that much in team games. If someone is regularly being an idiot like this everyone just avoids them and blocks them, so soon they're running around not understanding why no-one is responding to team chat comms, not realising that no-one is listening because so many people have blocked them lol...

what a funny story, sounds like pure projection. did luppi and i kick your ass too hard or why the whine here?

Because that's the topic of conversation in this thread. As I said it doesn't bother me that much, I've got no reason to lie. I know you did it, you know you did it. I'm just telling it as it is.

on your brainbot account - you're a notorious quitter and overall pretty mediocre player :/ good reason for your removal, nothing else.

So first you say I'm making it up and now you are saying you did do it? Make up your mind what are you gong to go with? An outright lie, or use some made up excuse that makes you feel big about it? Lie to me or lie to yourself, either way you're exactly the sort of moron this thread was discussing.

Anyway - I've got nothing more to say, so have fun raging here because you feel you've been made to look like an idiot, I'm moving on cu :)

dont give me walls of text for being obnoxious you get removed, i dont have to deal with it, you do. blame id for not implementing ip bans from servers :)

i ain't raging, im actually thinking what you first posted fits another player precisely, i hosted a prem server yesterday where 6/10 were kicked from that power hungry idiot on another server.

im all chill, you should too, cus ur not staying true to yourself, ur merely being in a delusion of what the reason for a kick towards you could be, without considering that if i could i would set the match completion minimum to 80% so quitters like you wouldn't even be able to connect.

happy quitting.

The kicks always happened mid-match when I was the top scorer on the team beating your arse - and I'm not very good, so what does that make you? The first time you did it was when I spawn fragged you three times in a row, so don't make up more lies to make yourself look less stupid... It doesn't work, you just make yourself look more and more of an arse... Anyway, looks like I have to but you on the ignore list here as well as in-game :) Happy raging.

demo or it didnt happen :/

nice attempt to save face, you are too easy.

:DICKS

2 times? not really

so basically, what's up with players that abort the games or kick other players mid game?

they pay to create servers that they can control, and they're being banned for exercising that control.

"Control", paid for or not, does not make one immune to the rules. What they paid for isn't absolute control; they must still respect what they agreed to respect when entering QL. To make an analogy, paying for a hunting rifle or a hunting license doesn't give you the right to kill any beast you want any time you want.

this is more like canceling the hunting trip because everybody else has shot ducks but you.

Shouldn't id enforce those rules across the board though? Seems they only do so selectively now, and repeat offenders. But even then, if they make a movie, or part of cool club then blind eye is turned.

Possibly they don't ban on the first offense, possibly a lot of the incidents don't get reported.

or a lot of incidents get ignored because perpetrators got passes the first time around and are seen as legit now, even if they are not. possible yes?

DURRRRR HUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

is this your best attempt at self expression?

I don't know what your point is or why do you think kicking, aborting or restarting the map mid-game is "fair"

If it's your own server kick/ban the person before the match starts.

makie got banned 2 times for the same thing in last 2 weeks

I wonder why? Maybe this isn't exactly id's fault?

yeah well in makies case i'm pretty sure there was some abuse other then kicking/banning, but imo if you join a private server you agree to play on owner's terms, even if it means server aborts and/or kicks.

it's not fair or anything and tells more about the server owner, but shouldn't be a bannable offense.

I know charron isn't the nicest flower either, many people complained about his behaviour and I in order to get someone banned for abusing admin rights, several people had to record demos and send them to QL support.

I don't think kicking someone from the game grants a temporary ban, but doing it over and over again should be punishable.

>yeah well in makies case i'm pretty sure there was some abuse other then kicking/banning, but imo if you join a private server you agree to play on owner's terms, even if it means server aborts and/or kicks.

No, this could be construed as stat padding.

It is a bannable offense, but instead of a permanent ban a suspension is more likely to occur. Granted these suspensions can be lengthy, like a month. I don't have evidence here, just anecdotal reports.

Really I have no problem with them trying to create an environment in which douchebaggery is difficult.

I've reported a player for kicking me after he told me he would if I hit another "rail like that" (iirc) on aero, and other people have had the same experience with this guy. His account is suspended now.

and u did good

I like to think so!

I don't know why his account is suspended, it could be anything. He didn't cheat, for sure, but he may have been a complete asshole to everyone. Who knows. =)

Buying pro and spawning your own server doesn't automatically give you the right to act like a retard and get away with it. You might get away with a precious duel win (ELO FUCK YE) but it's still lame and unfair. Therefor being banned for doing it over and over is nothing but just, I'm actually happily suprised ID is making such bans.

It's called stats padding and it's against the rules. Look it up.

He was banned for like 2 days for aborting the match twice against me because he was losing. I wouldn't be surprised if he did it to other people considering he only played on servers he spawned himself.

What are you trying to say exactly?

im just saying that it might be too harsh to ban people for stuff like that.

+ aborting doesn't really make your stats better, so i've no idea what the fuss is all about.

when you got kicked off of private q3 servers did the server admin get banned? :D

I think the point is that it also doesn't make your stats worse.

that's the point, okay, but why does that justify banning an account?

Because stat padding is against the rules.

Repeatedly breaking the rules results in a temporary ban.

lots of things are against lots of rules. that's not a justification for being kicked or banned. it's a technicality that idiots such as yourself cite so that the shriveled mass of oat bran you possess for a brain doesn't have to work.

What?

ahahahaaaaaa moron logic

q_adrian

Banned

after 3 years.

he didn't get 10,000 wins in one year

tell me, was it not evident enough when he was 8000-100? after 2 years?

Granted it took them way too long to act :/
Better late then never I guess.

that is just it. they were not banned when they should have been and then others started doing the same thing since they thought they could and get away with it.

in this case, better late than never does not matter much. damage is done

Too harsh to ban people for breaking the rules? What consequence should there be? Or should such childish behaviours be accepted as normal?

please explain why it is an appropriate response to ban somebody who aborts matches on a server they created. if you can explain why it is an appropriate response, then maybe there can be a productive conversation.

This is an appropriate response because this is the only response possible. At least from what I know. Maybe they give warnings too, although short bans are almost the same. And there HAS to be an answer. Such behaviours must not be accepted. It is a disgrace for competition AND a fun killer. All it can do is drive victims away from the game and nobody wants that.

I've been invited to servers by players who I have beaten in the past, only to be force-specced and thanked for the elo. It certainly is a fun killer.

i guess the argument can be: you kick people out of the game for a selfish and rude reason, so you've acknowledged that it's fair to be kicked from the game for a nobler reason.

dumbass of the year

hawhahw...sonic is napping on the job again :/

:(

rofl fags, cheating is faggotry which deserves permaban, yet this shit isnt serious and uberlame? auschwitz ftw

Your face is uberlame.

gee wee guy gets banned for two days

also making thread for him is super gay

Need a Clan?

haha, good times <3

Id like a few people to get banned for a while for kicking me midgame for no reason :p
Shitheads like that increase my quitrate.

Here is some name and shaming for you
zect group (2-3ppl) apparently on a dane hating streak.
sanibroyeur (dunno why?)

I would rather have quits by kick/ban made loss.

Public accusations without any proof whatsoever never spawned anything good - I'm not defending those people, it's just that they don't have an ESR account and can't speak for themselves.

Best way to deal with that is using autoaction 3 and sending the demo when you get kicked.

I *think* there was a way to remove those quits from your profile.

I would rather have quits by kick/ban made loss.

That makes sense I guess, you didn't quit, you were "disqualified" and lost the match.

Sorry for the noob question, but what is autoaction 3?

And since you seem to know a lot about these, is there a delay between when people report someone and the moment that person accused gets banned? More than 2 weeks ago I reported 3 ppl because of stat padding, and abusive kicks, the support replied and of course they won't tell anything about their decision, but yeah I can see that they didn't do anything about these players' accounts ^^'.

/cg_autoaction 3 triggers demo recording and screenshot taking during your matches.

triggers a demo with a default name like the screenshots ones 00001, you have to rename it later
the cg_autoaction 3 will write a complete demoname with timestamp for you.
i guess u can even toggle the autoaction function
seta cl_demoRecordMessage "0" will hide the demo recording message
bind BACKSPACE "record;print ^1>> DEMO ON"
bind ENTER "stoprecord;print ^1>> DEMO OFF"

this is not quake live forum

( Forum: QL)

Yes it is.

Dont think they can retract the socalled quits and make them loss, thats why I dindt bother, only added them in the server filter so I dont join their servers anymore.
But ofc I have autoaction, who doesnt :p

guy1: muahaha I'll kick those noobs who win vs me during the game
guy2friend: muahaha so funneh xd

later that day on esr
guy2friend: why the ql bane nonsense?

i'm not standing up for anyone in this thread, just discussing the newly enforced conduct policy.

When has stat padding ever been not against the rules? The fact that he spawned a server to do it doesn't really matter.

Newly enforced? I remember bans for obnoxious/harmful stat padding and ruining games for other people as long ago as 2009.

Of course now it's shuffled a bit: private server owners protect their players from trolls and id Software protects players from malicious server owners.

Have you been living in a bubble? It has always been like this.

it took like 3 years till q_adrian was banned and he was most obvious on all of ql

utter fucking lie guys. my server is always full and friendly, ask around... and i banned that "bl1nx" guy cuz ppl complained about him using wh and autoshoot. look at my stats pricks and tell do i pad my stats?! fuck off id and fuck off esr.

?

haha

yeah well in makies case i'm pretty sure there was some abuse other then kicking/banning

Even your friends can't say that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygr5AHufBN4