the sensei, but your friend is silly either way

Sensei, and I agree your friend is silly.

Your friend is silly

SS Sensei, though I'm on the same opinion about your friend's silliness.

Your friend needs someone to soak up his drool so he doesn't drown in it. Sensei if you can't make him buy a logitech.

tell him about how the zowie am is pretty nice, it has high dpi and costs 60 $$$ too, so he can't say it will be holding him back

zowie am you say? you can recommend it? will check it out i am searching for a good cheap mouse for some time now. have the lachesis here. it fucking sucks. (to big, heavy and for both hand so i cant click the sidebuttons properly). bad for quake overal imo.

maybe i will buy zowie mico..seems nice too... dont know :/

$60 is cheap? :<

yes for the aforementioned cod/halo/skyrim dpi hardcore mature gayming community

plz2give 360 controller

ofcourse its not literally "cheap".

but if you compare it to other mouses (razer, steelseries etc.)

by no means, 60€ is alot of money. but the fact that i cant get one below that point that is recommended/good makes it somehow cheap. if you know what i mean. but if you guys can recommend me one under 60€ that would be very cool of course.

wmo

find me one reseller in germany or at least one near me so i dont pay 20$ shipping. there is none i searched. :(

http://preview.tinyurl.com/brvbn9d
etc.

dont buy mico, tried it and returned next day, got zowie am and very happy with it.

what didn't you like about it? too small?

Sensor. Shape and weight is awesome (at least for me) but it performs not really good.

ah, i've always thought that they had the same sensor, or something similarly good, never really read about their technical specs in depth, just heard zowie mice were good. i want to get an am (was thinking of mico as well until now), i'm just waiting for my abyssus to break, can't get myself to spend money on it until it's absolutely necessary. :)

If these were the only two gaming mouses in the world I would rather connect potato to USB port and try my luck with it.

silly

curious, what games does he play?

Battlefield 3, Black Ops 2 (well, now he does), DotA 2, various single-player games, and others that I have never really discussed with him without a doubt.

well, it wont matter too much then i suppose :p

let him enjoy his mouse in peace :D

Some hardcore stuff there.

Hah alright thanks, told him to get the Sensei if he seriously won't consider anything else.

Also told him he's silly. :P

Steelseries Sensei Raw edition, it's expensive but it has the same shape as the kinzu/kana and it comes equipped with a good laser sensor (for once). Not sure why you'd pick Razer anyway, a company advertising mice with 8200 DPI and trying to lure little kids into buying a glowing toy in the shape of a gaming mouse that costs around the same as my car insurance deserves to be boycot imo.

Steelseries Sensei Raw edition, it's expensive but it has the same shape as the kinzu/kana and it comes equipped with a good laser sensor (for once).

Still has small amount of positive acceleration like all Avago 9500 mouses. Though it doesn't go batshit crazy on cloth pads like some other 9500 mouses.

a company advertising mice with 8200 DPI and trying to lure little kids into buying a glowing toy in the shape of a gaming mouse that costs around the same as my car insurance

It seems like you are describing Steelseries. :p Now, I'm not saying your description doesn't apply to Razer - it does. But it's not like Steelseries is any better.

zowie are last who are appealing to hardcore audiency. a bit expensive but quality products.

What about Logitech, to a lesser degree?

They look ugly and most of them are too heavy and big. But if it isn't a problem they are a best choice.

Only good logitech mouse is g400

And MX 300, MX 310, MX 500, MX 510, MX 518 and G1.

all of those have flawed sensors with prediction/angle-snapping or a shitty tracking speed.

rofl

what's funny?

Prediction/angle-snapping isn't flaw, its preference.
Like mouse acceleration, check how many good players use it.

Yeah I use accel myself in-game. But prediction/angle-snapping forces the cursor to be somewhere that you didn't necessarily aim for. It's a flaw if you value accuracy.

And it's basically nothing when you actually aim.

rofl

If you can't take the fact that someone knows more than you about something, just don't read at all.

I'm perfectly aware of prediction of those mouses and their tracking speeds. Their tracking speed are anything but shitty, and prediction thing is, like others already wrote, preference and pretty much overblown issue.

Then we can agree to disagree about prediction.

there was a time when most users favorite these mices. they cant be shit, look up the sujoy mouse tests.

The sujoy mousescore is only useful for tracking speed information. It doesn't tell anything about prediction/angle-snapping

edit: This is better at least. http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=2024663

silly your friend is

Tell him to read this thread, maybe he will change his mind after he sees everyone making fun of him.