So it looks like idsoftware consciously choose to release bad things like that, to me, that is like selling a car with no reverse.

Let me just check, I will jump on a server quickly and take a screenshot, let me see....

I cant, I appear to be the only one in the world wanting to play at the moment so there are no games to join, but then you cant blame them, becuase its unplayable thanks to idsoftware not setting up a few dedicated servers to give the game a chance.

They deserve to fail cos even a retard could tell you what is wrong, so for a dev studio to be evaded means they do not care, or are incapable.

Either way, its not a positive sign for the future...

At least Colonial Marines looks good and quakelive is more than decent.

you are both wrong, and sad if you think this is acceptable to not even being able to vote what map you want, or select a server by country or continent. Or use any of the weapons to useful effect.

The level of excuses you are willing to make it just wrong.

the game has over 15 maps and 5 modes in its mp game, maps by threewave and has a big fat "multiplayer" option on the front screen, how you can possibly sit there and say its not a mp game makes you look absurd.

No one is moaning about the subletities here, its the fact that you cant play a game, or use any of the weapons to any useable effect.

And the fact that idsoftware would have known this, and still released it, that to me highlights a major issue with regards to trust and quality control.

The original doom 3 IS a mult player game, not a great one, but more than playable. Even now I can find a server with 50 ping and have some games.

For god sake there was over 250k in prize money awared to players of that game.

I am saying this one, 8 years on is unplayable, so your argument about it not being a mp game is invalid because they went backwards in this game from what they did 8 years ago.

You would physically have to sit down and say how I can make this game more shit, to do what they did. They ripped sections out they had already coded in.

You are judging it on what idsoftware said 8 years ago, I enjoyed many aspects of doom 3 in spite of that, What I am saying is, 8 years on, they made it unplayable by taking stuff that is core to enjoying a game.

Things like searching by location, being able to start a dedicated servers, voting a map in game are all basic things they had in the original, by removing them, they have ruined it 110%.

Great argument, the issue is, they ripped out features in 2012 that they had already coded and released and we were working fine in 2004.

So the fact that you think that is acceptable or logical only makes you look bad, not me.

you seem to keep thinking I am talking about things they had not previously done with the game.

Every feature I am moaning about, was in the ORIGINAL doom 3 and are core things related to the enjoyment of the game.

I made it easy for you....
http://esreality.com/post/2337033/re-doom-4/#pid2337033

At least now you are admitting they ruined it....

There is still no reason why they removed core features they had already coded into the game.

I am not moaning about new stuff they did not do, I am moaning about stuff they did in 2004 and took out in 2012.

Doom 3 has sold millions of copies, had over 250k of prize money for tournaments.

That is no excuse for the level of shitness this is, this is a technical issue related to BASIC things.

Things that idsoftwre have been doing for over 20 years and things they did in 2004 with the original doom 3. But left out here, and there was me thinking they were going to polish it, they did, but with a wirebrush.

The game has many multiplayer modes, DMDUELCTF maps by Threewave, I am not buying this is not a mp game.

It clearly is, but its unplayable, you add things to games over time, you dont take out core aspects of it.

I used Doom 3 BFG as its the latest game idsoftware have released and they have gone backwards in mp, so for me, in my view, this is not a good sign for the future as the game is virtually unplayable and that has NOTHING to do with its original design spec, this is them taking out things.

Since then, there have been flawed arguments against what I said, while nobody still cannot tell me why they removed key features they coded in 8 years ago and made the game worse.

Have you not had enough data from id, the last great quake type mp game they did was in 1999 over 13 years ago, since then year on year, you have all fooled yourself and every time its disappointment.

Wolfy, decent but not quake.
Doom 3
Doom 3 BFG
Quake 4
Quakelive "decent but only cos what was already there"
Rage

Its almost empirical that Doom 4 will be make you sad. But go ahead...Hope dies last.