quality on own3d is a bit shot. Though some of the frags and caps (or cap denials) are really sick. I'm giving it an 8

Thanks Zoot! I'll work on the quality and include a download soon.

Yeah, if any other filmmakers wanna chime in I would love some help with quality.

I recorded 1920 x 1080 @ 60fps in wolfcam

I disabled resampling and rendered from vegas 1920 x 1080 @ 30 fps uncompressed

I encoded with Handbrake using x264 RF:20 Variable Frame Rate

It looked BEAUTIFUL on my 55" 1080p 120hz LCD

It looked like SHIT after own3d got to it.

I notice that own3d recommends 1280 x 720, should I render it back out from vegas at 720p?

I also read that people use megui to render instead of HandBrake. Is there any reason for that?

own3d is shit and is usually fucking up your quality. Try vimeo or YT.

YT supports 1080p so you could have the best quality there. Not sure about Viemo.
x264 is good but you should really set it to your framerate + 10mbps
30 fps is not enough, you should go with at least 50 for the project, thats at least 100 fps capture (I use 200 + blurframes)

you could render it 720p again but it's never going to be as good as if you had rendered ingame at 720p from the start.

megui is just practical, never heard of HandBrake, but I don't think there's a diff in terms of quality

Youtube framerate is locked at 30fps iirc.

To be completely honest with you, I watched someone spamming plasma for 3 seconds on a RA3 map and immediately closed to the tab.

Good luck in life! You're going to need it with an attention span like that.

80% of the shots in this movie are from Duel and CTF.

-Dubstep
-Fucking long boring intro
-Average frags from what I saw (around 1 minute).

2/10.

- Clearly you know little about music. There is no dubstep in my video.
- Intro is pretty long, I'll work on that for the next one
- You got one minute into a video and quit? lol Kids these days. You need instant gratification.

Ok.

http://www.lastfm.ru/music/SKisM - first tag is dubstep, even if it really isn't "pure" dubstep, it's not that different.

I don't need no instant gratification. Almost every time I watch even average movies until the end. Yours wasn't the case.

ps. gj rating your own video 10/10 :DDD

My point still stands, it's not dubstep in any way shape or form. The artist has made dubstep too, but that is not what this is.

ps. what rating did you give your video?

If I produced something like your video and it was my first attempt - I'd rate it 5/10 to be honest with myself (maybe even lower if I was truly objective, which sometimes can be hard ;).

Interesting. You are available to hand down an opinion when it comes to voting for the quality of my own video, yet you voted for mine AND made a comment about the quality of it while only having watched 1 of the 9 minutes.

discount your vote (I voted 0 for that reason), zoot's (way too high) and butcher giving you a pity 6. It'll be like a 3.

At least the first minutes of your movie are awful. No idea about the rest.

Again interesting. If you sort votes by date, you clearly voted 0 first.

I, and everyone else, trust zoots score more than you ESR Trolls.

No, you are the Trolls.

seems like I voted 0 after your comment on #4 then

Solid 5 with 22 votes, 3 of those giving it a 10 out of nowhere.

voted 6 for making dat striped pattern.

I knew it

i wonder if any ESR videos have a rating that resembles a middle finger gesture

Your overall attitude aside, there's not much I can say about this, movie. Mostly since you've mentioned that it features old demos and that you made this video to learn wolfcamql and vegas. Well, there's plenty space for improvements.

Most of the camera angles were simply bad, and capturing footage while flying in free cam mode isn't a good idea at all.

Music didn't work well for me, maybe because you didn't try to sync frags with it. Keep that in mind while working on the real thing.

For the real movie, try to use only the best frags. Don't try to show all the frags that you've gathered. If lets say, 2 frags are similar, use only one of them (by similar I mean, for example an air rocket frags at the RL jump pad on dm6).

Stick to one config, in this video you've started using weapon fx later on. Such changes during the video don't look good.

Try to not show moments that make you look bad. Death, spamming, lucky frags, mistakes (shooting in wrong direction when the enemy is behind you, etc.).

And last but not least, before uploading the movie, watch it, fix obvious errors (like the ending in this movie) and render it again. In most cases the final render isn't really final.

Thanks for the concise constructive criticism Hell5pawn. I've been watching and enjoying your movies for years. This has been a great learning experience and I'm excited to take what I learned build upon it!

Do you have an suggestions for rendering to stream from Youtube / Own3d?

To be honest I don't know the optimal settings for streams, it has been an issue for me as well. I want to try some different things before releasing my next video.

What I'm sure of, is that youtube doesn't support more than 30 FPS, and that own3d supports up to 40 FPS.

I'm not sure what "RF:20 Variable Frame Rate" might mean. Especially the 'variable frame rate' part. I'm no compression expert, but I think a constant frame rate is the way to go.

Im not a movie maker but just a curious question.

Whats the benefit to using 60fps+ in movie making when you know the end product will eventually be compressed down to a 30fps product? Is it better for movie editing programs or does the compression process somehow make the twitchy movements smoother.

For me personally, 30fps in game looks intolerable but on youtube for instance it looks different somehow. shrugs

It seems like the best way to encode a movie is in two files.

1. 1080p 60FPS for download, best quality biggest file size
2. 720p 30FPS for Streaming sites (only for lazy people)

60fps makes a huge difference.

Lowering a higher frame rate while rendering/compressing adds motion blur. The bigger the FPS difference between the input and output FPS, the longer the motion blur.

60fps looks much smoother than 30fps, this might not apply to online streams. I want to experiment a bit and find the optimal video parameters for youtube streams, until now I was just uploading the one and only version I've rendered. I think a seperate youtube/own3d.tv version might be a better idea.

What he says^

4/10

+ Effort
+ Some frags were good
+ Would vote 5 but I can't break that striped pattern


- Not a fan of CA/ffa frags unless they're nice, you were hit or miss on that.
- Disagreeing that the music isn't dubsteppy on a forum. I don't mind the music for the most part though
- Didn't like the 3rd person stuff, I actually thought the movie was all like that at first :o. 3rd person can done but too risky
- What Hell5pawn says

If you enjoy doing this don't give up you have potential :)

Thanks! I won't stop, I was so sick of seeing those shots I got to a certain point when I wanted to render it out and call it a day. I knew I should have taken the extra few hours to tighten everthing up, but I was so eager to get started on the next one because I have a bunch of ideas that wouldn't have worked on that one.

P.S. The music I played was "Drum n Bass". This has been a staple of quake and video game movies in general for more than 15 years. It is known for its Driven basslines and soaring leads. Dubstep is the retarded ginger half wit stepson of Drum n Bass emerging on the scene in the last few years.

Clumping any Drum n Bass in the with dubstep because it has a heavy bassline is like calling Kenny G Rap.

do you know this song ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyfPJrbhx7M
libido airbag - hepatitis appetizer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl0La2Vfsh4

i like the music u used, i like the beginning too, as mentioned the use of diff configs & overuse of effects i dont like.

i also don't like forcemodel in movies, thats a no go ... fragmovies maybe

Nice frags and caps, DNB fit Quake better than I thought it would.

The camera-work on the air rocket on space-ctf was great

+Tantrum Desire Remix of Killer :)

First of all - use projects and demolist if wolfcam supports it (q3mme does). Using them you can change your ingame settings and re-render it in required quiality (some ideas of game settings usually came when project is mostly done). Also you can use it to 'fast production': capturing 'preview' in low quality (like 480p), editing it, then recapturing at high quality (like 1080p) replacing old capture.

In frag videos I'd recommend to not use alot of recams, only for boring places (like plasmaclimbing from first person is boring) or to fit free space (check 'Swing' movie) or if soundtrack requires it.

For nice blur use maximum blurframes (32 in q3mme) and double your resulting fps (like if your result will be 30fps - render and use in your NLE in 60fps).

For encoding use MeGUI + AviSynth. First render in your NLE uncompressed avi with uncompressed sound, then write script for AviSynth like this:
AVISource("full.path.to.your.uncompressed.resulting.avi")
SelectEven (this select every even frame (0 2 4 6 ...), if you want plain 60fps with full blur - do not use this line)
Save it as blahblah.avs and load in MeGUI.
Use x264 for video with settings: -crf 17 -preset placebo (add to this -profile high10 for even higher quality, but not all videoplayers can decode it)
For audio encoding pick your favorite codec, mine is ogg.
WARNING: encoding with these settings will take AGES, but quality and size will be awesome.
WARNING: with these settings 1080p, 60fps video will be ~20mbits with peaks for ~150mbits.
WARNING: YouTube not supports 10bit video.

-crf 17
-preset placebo
-profile high10

useless really :/

why ?

same reason as sharpes 10mbit

50% more ressources for 1% in quality

quality is made from details
I'd prefer maximum possible quality and minimum possible size
and these settings I provide fit for that

ok hmmm
the music really hit my taste it kicked if you know what i mean.
not all frags were movie worthy but its a 9 min movie i wont argue about every single frag with you. some frags were really amazing.
time for the negative part:
dont up it on own3d just bad quality! i wont judge the movie quality cause of that though

i didnt like how you used 3rd person clips in the beginning and seom clips even a second time later in the movie. it gave me the feeling you just used the dull non-moving freecams to get "any" intro.

in a 9 minute video i expect at least some editing. some cool transitions some nice ideas some effects would have polished it.

to this awsome music i want some sync which u didnt or u did it badly.

anyway this is your first movie and this is ESR so i cant judge you by experienced standards.i liked it! it was ok and im gonna cheer for the next cap_capslock movie have my 7.

-lack of editing
-sync
-dull freecams

you broke pattern with your 7/10 !!!
bastard :D

cause fuck the police :D

its always pathetic when a noob makes a movie about himself owning up tier1 public games esp when the movie lacks anything original on the artistic part (effect, config, music, whatever)

I added a download.

I've taken all the recommendations and am elbow deep in the next movie!

No spacemaps in your next movie please.

-intro seemed completely unnecessary
-music is quite ok-ish, but doesnt felt like synced with action
-seems like you wanted to achieve one of those dark-high contrast cfg-s but it kinda lacks on quality, IMO if you would have left current default ql cfg with its postprocessing options on, it would have looked much better
- some frags and caps are really nice, but actions like that one on the beginning when you are chasing dude firing at him 5 rockets and you hit him with sixth on a jump pad (troubled waters) are just really meh, you should be more critical with choosing what you wanna show to people
- all team games look completely random and pub like, so the more you should leave only really stunty fragments, those sequences feel just way too long
- custom rocket trails look really cheap, but that's propably matter of taste


but overall wasnt that bad, and you have put some effort and willingness for it, you got solid 6.5/7

cheers ;)

Rageworthy movie