Nigger please, welcome to the real world. Civilization has been corrupt and full of shit since money was invented... Yes, it's bad, insulting, shameful, retarded, etc... but the only way it will ever end is if the "system" is destroyed. And the system is so firmly established that it will only be destroyed by one of the following:

- Nuclear War
- Meteor Strike
- Gamma Ray Burst
- Alien Invasion
- Mass Epidemic
- ... or suddenly everybody stops being greedy overnight.

So we share thoughts...

Project Mayhem anyone?

Because its clear in a biparty system we cannot find a solution...

And nor politics will help us

What about a scenario ala '28 days later' ?

I'll just add "- Mass Epidemic" to my list then.

Although mass epidemic will be the least effective, because it doesn't really physically destroy any of the electronics that the system relies heavily on.

Dolphin invasion could also work xd

So long and thanks for all the fish c:

yup

imagine if the toes rebelled against the brain for holding all the precious feel good brain juice hormones back from all the hard working body parts. feel good brain juice hormones should be distributed equally to all cells!

Capitalism is destined to self implode, the rules are simple.

Make enough money and possessions to make a good quality of life before its impossible to do so and do it doing something you love as a bonus, and sit back and watch the rest of the victims go round in circles.

Actually, lets all convert to Islam then life will be so simple and good!

actually once the state will fail, if it happens maybe than who will protect you in your house to enjoy your goods? Havent though about that huh, a couple of dogs and guns wont do the trick, that how I see it

It'll take quite sometime to get that bad so I probably won't have to worry. But obviously my plans would be more advanced than guns and dogs (but it would definitely include them) and I would definitely have a self destruct button so even if all else fails as nothing is infallible, the property will be useless. I learned that off the Predator.

I would also make it well known that this is the case, so it would not even become a target anyway.

The trick is to make sure that obtaining what you have, is less than the trouble needed to get it and its important to put the point across that even if they do get it, it will become obsolete.

Pretty simple back to nature stuff really.

Well at least they know what to do with thives:
Cut hands & ashame thief's family

Ill also retire citizenship from all those bankers and politicias who rob.

No public charge should enjoy people running in circles. I can understand why you enjoy it, you worked hard, but in case politicians are wealthy is cos they robbed us all.

get your high school diploma first and then come back to talk about economy

Get a job, then come back and talk about about a diploma shared by a million others.

It is the communism, that is destined to self implode;
and the islam is the worst religion in the entire world

every religion is the worst religion in the entire world

that's only your opinion

That's the only one that counts in the land of crazy :)

All religions are retarded, but I would rather have the whole world be buddhist than muslim. There are 400 million buddhists, but I've never heard of a buddhist using their religion to justify being a loudmouth violent dickhead

that's only because their sacred scriptures don't tell them they should act like loudmouth violent dickheads... you see, it's not up to the individuals, they are are pre-programmed and brainwashed from birth to behave in a certain manner. In the case of buddhism, the final result of this programming and brainwashing is a generally peaceful bunch of people, not violent, loudmouth or dichkeadish and therefore they don't even qualify as a problem, but that's not the point, they are brainwashed into behaving that way, and that makes it no better than islam or any other cult

"loudmouth violent dickheads"

What like you attacking peoples religion and faith on a forum?

And...

"they are brainwashed into behaving that way"

Just like you are now then?

Yes.

only to don't believe in nothing is retarded; and about buddhism, peoples know about it only the aspect that the bored holliwood stars tells around about it, but it isn't a good, not even a pacific religion: there also have been terroristic attacks in the name of buddhism ( i can remember one, based on lethal gases, in a japanese methropolithan, that caused several victims;and there are more obscure aspects of it that are not known and not spread around to the occidentals countries.

>religion
>common sense

pick one

i didn't understand the question, forget my english skills

Buddhism is not a religion. :(

No, but it's a cult, just like any religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism

I'm hoping capitalism implodes sometime in my lifetime.

if you dont understand this, it means you are probably apart of the damage being done, without you knowing it.

YOU (working people of the european states, the ones that historically were born to where you at) have no dignity of human beings anymore, all you have is bad passion and sublime indifference towards everyone you see and meet everyday

will pay americas debt
will pay the vacations of bankers
will pay for the germans to have their own little country inside yours on your sea coast (especially you spanish people),
will pay and poison yourself with items and foods that reach z category on an A to F scale,
you will buy it at lidl and the rest, you will sit on your ass when the chancellor of the exchequer pulls out the new drastic cuts out of his shining gold plated bag (spain),
and You will do absolutely nothing, if you go and brake some like them blacks in watts and muslims in london you wont change anything its heads that need to be broken into pieces not shops, politicans and speculators can and WILL do anything to you, you have no dignity of human beings

its not the democracy that failed, its THE FUCKING RULES, which nobody obeys

Word,

For our politicians we arent anything but stupid tools.

Ive been living in NL for a while and i was atonished about the fact so many people shared your thoughts and almost nobody here realizes that.

My + for you sir.

I know who goes lidl and who goes emte and why, good point.

also :
will pay for Israel

Free palestine !!

Why would you want to fix anything anyway? Embracing nihilism and blowing one's brains out seems like the best course of action. Every single "activity" or "goal" is just a distraction from the pointlessness of existence. No matter how many generations of humans you will give way to after reproducing, your legacy will be reduced to zero long before the universe reaches heat death, and it's impossible to exit this universe without dying in the process. Then again, it's probable that this universe is in fact a virtual simulation courtesy of some superior civilzation, and nothing is actually real. GL!

Stupid reply is stupid
gg
)))))))))))))))))

Okay, so my reply is off-topic. But read it again. You realize now... everything with which we concern ourselves is in reality, off-topic itself?

All these have happened to Greece long time now and far worse. Our scam politicians had the support of our media, which tried to brainwash the ppl to accept the slavery (through fake dilemmas, fear and lies) and of course they had the support of the EU too. All the money the politicians and the rich obtained through scams, they still have them. They only difference is that now the ppl are paying for them.

Apart from the increased taxes and the cut wages, they also took ppls money in other, sometimes cruel, ways. Like they added a fee, apart from the taxes, for each house someone owns. And they putted it into the electricity bill, threatening to cut the electricity if u don’t pay. It didn’t matter if u had any income at all, u had to pay. Was like pay first, ask questions and complain later. I had to pay out of the blue, about 800€, for the house I have build from my own money and for which I was already paying taxes for.

Of course they will continue to other countries too. What they did in Greece was a big success (for them); they managed to exterminate the middle class. Now, they will try that to other countries. I wish u luck and do fight for ur rights. Don’t let them convince u that u deserve to starve, u don’t.

Greece was the relative easy first target (small country with corrupted politicians who were willing to cooperate against their ppl and of course some obvious weaknesses that the media could use as an excuse for justifying the massacre to follow). Now the real game begins, with much bigger countries.

It is like George Orwell’s book 1984 coming into life, but a few decades later.

ps: about the police, they did the same here, attacking innocent ppl, so ppl can't protest. Some ppl also say, that the protestors that do use violence (very small minority), are put to do this in purpose, in order to justify police’s violence. It's not proven, but I wouldn't be suprised, since they are organised.

I think what happened here is pretty much what happened in greece, millions of people are still confident in politicians values and honorability.

And vote and defend their mistakes.

And as errants states nobody really cares and realizes.

So we, southern european people, are being aimed towards economical slavery, pain and suffering cos our corrupt politicians sold our future for their "nowadays rapper way of life"

I can understand how fustrating your house issue is, that just happened here.

We are in the same burning boat, hugs dude.

Nice point of view tnkx for sharing

I feel for u, man [+]

ppl should unite and say no to all this shit

That's a certainty I'd say, considering Greece's situation and the fact that it's the ABC of counter-measures:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

interesting, didn't know there was a term for that

What was wrong with spanish economic policy before the crash? The picture I've received is the reckless lending policy of the banks, which led into the disaster. Spanish govt's austerity measures though will just be making sure to make the slump deep and long, just a splendidly good idea to raise the motherfucking unemployment to 25% /facepalm.

I wish more people would start addressing the elephant in the room when it comes to the medicine. Can't we even *consider* economic system not based on common currency? I mean do the weaker countries need to starve to death and stronger indebt their grandgrandgrandchildren before they get it how we can't fix this problem in this mumbojumbo system?

Common currency was a fancy cappricce from some politicians to be as cool as USA.

Anyway proly leaving the euro right now wont work. for anyone as country debts will rise till infinite...

So...

8(

We cannot keep an artificially high currency forever. This is exactly what happens in the long run - trade deficit will rack up to budget deficit and bank crises. What else can you do? Rack the unemployment to 50% for that nice Judge Dredd economy?

As you probably know unemployment is higher than anounced since people, for example, receiving formation are not included in any stats offered.

Unemployment ratio might be 35% already.

that's mainly because of how they measure it and which questions are asked.

Personal opinion? I hope all spanish people die in a fire. /thread.

OMG Cpt Obvious strikes again.

Probably you are someone very small and angry who is trying to find himself raging on whatever he doesnt understand, or is bigger than him.

Anyway i dont deserve anything bad for you or your country.

And btw you are nobody, eventhough your smallness, to say a thread is closed.

unemployed much?

Unemployed who?

Today i got some free time since we are moving to a bigger office...

Running own business, looking good.

Privatizing all the public services is disgraceful as well :(

Humanity really, really needs a revolution right about now.

Why privatice those profitable things and keep public those non profitable ones?

Never understood that

In this regard, it's Thatcher all over again, :'(

"Privatizing all the public services" is basicly selling the future of generations yet to come if you wanto turn it into plain english.

Also they always feed you the same when they do it:

"The service will work alot better becouse if the state moves out it will be alot more efficient, the state steps out...
[in reality this causes some fluctuation personelwise, which usually ends up in more unemployed expersonel du to efficiency mesures, aswell as aspects like the new owner simply wishes to employ somebody else who is more professional instead of somebodies cousin / relative / concubine / whatever, becouse the private sectors nepotism (-> this means the / / / part) factor is rather small compared to the polity.]
...In extreme cases they go to the dephts to simply lie to you that: this will cause a competitive state on the market (like the waterworks for ex), when in reality they usually sell it to 1 firm and thats it, theres the perfect monopol state and feed you about some nonexistant competition that will make prices go lower, when in reality we all know a monopol state brings the most tyrant form of pricing on the market, especially without a dampening hand of the state which thatcher and reagen were so violently a fond of to weaken the state, and make it a nightwatch that maybe puts out a fire if needed but nothing more.

So the privatizing freenzy that is one of the main charasteristics of these well known neoconservative icons, is basicly one of the most intemperate way of lying in your face.

In these late times the so called "dampening hand of the state" is in a tragical deepsleep state, politicians are only busy with things as how to get your votes, how to fool you the 1000 th time with the same old transparent lies and the very soul point of privatization in modern times, spending the money they've got back from the buyer in gratitude for that extremely lovely low price tag of the given public service

Despite being a rhetoric question is a good explanation for what goes on while something goes from a public background to a private one.

This is one of the best explanations ive read so far about this issue.

Thanks a lot for clarify this point errant since i strongly belive, as you seem to do, this is one of the main points in neoliberlism.

Stating something will work better in a private background rather than in a public one just means to me, and i could be wrong so plz correct me:

a) The public administration isnt working as intended

b) Some obscure desire is hidden in that movement

Basic resources, wather for example as you said, are being sold to third party companies that either affiliated with someone in the government (proly a concubine or relative as you said) or companies that government owe something (banks, invest companies,..)

Selling your natural resources is one of the biggest mistakes a country could do because that makes that country susceptible for external interest/moves with no response options.

In tactical terms that will be like go running into an enemy who has LG.

I would like to point out here in Spain several formerly public companies are now running the same business from a private background; they are using the infrastructures all spanish people paid when they were public and what we have now? no pay back from them.

Instead we have one of the most expesive prices in electricty, Internet and water all over Europe.

In fact some of those companies, which also run business in south america, are being very expensive here in Spain so they can have very cheap prices in S.A. and acquire an oligarchy kind of position.

happy I could help, it is always nice when someone gets to a point that he thinks, even about why things are as miserable as they are, the worst part is the majority only begins to think when they get into a sea of problems, and they never think about possibilities and the possible future when the sky is clean

a) The public administration isnt working as intended

In short public administration is a veg + stillborn at the same time functioning on basic levels. A person with too much water in his head and was born for failiure, but atleast he / she is our child they say. Incharge to do work for you 24/7 vs someone that is a professional but his purposes never meet your interests, but you as a state close your eyes for know reasons, we talked about that.

Nepotism itself does not mean that the problem lies in the fact there is little to none competitive and knowledge based competition between applicants for difficult specialized policies, its the problem of inefficient use of founds eg 5-6 people incharge for 1 persons work, and those 5-6 people are quite commonly not intirely competent of their jobs. but you have someform of ability to practise some shitty form of control -you see atleast you are alive you lost red and mega on ztn and you are stuck at plasma or rockets but you have something to hold on and think vs you were killed and have zero control you are a standing target in the main hal- against the state when you have almost no voice on a matter.

You could turn your anxious sight to Greece where you can see people are so desperate that the majority could engrave that X so far in for the communists as a main party * which is quite unheard in europe, but no it will not happen the intercontinental lobby that wants his money back from Greece is stronger than anything, overwrittes elections overwrites everything according to how things are going around these days.

All I can say is you have to hold on, at one point some state of the union must turn vigorous at some point and say a definete NO and turn around go face to traffic, the mob the simple people will go and start breaking things once, when they live and unlivingly bad life, problem is that the people doing this mess this fine business called CRYSIS (looks like a working business since 2007) find a thin line where they can equilibris between revolting masses and mass poverty

Some people believe thats a risky turn in politics for a nation; people can appreciate the existing lack of values in some governments so, eventually, that might lead them to engrave stronger value based, stereotypical sometimes, politics forms.

Even if those values are wrong (lemme say those values doesnt seem to be following any known good logic).


I wish you are right because "profit is profit" and those people called "the markets" are getting a whole lot of it.

you know if everyone would sat down with friends on a sunday evening and talk 10-15 minutes about whats happening in the world we would not have anything to talk about now, there would be no problems, THEY could not do this to us.

That said that is asking way too much from people way way too much! Forget about it category.

all sombra's fault

awesome at football; shit at life

Dont forget all the other sports where you also have been defeated

;p

too bad being good at sport can't save you from austerity measures ;((

Spanish football players, when they won the world cup, didnt even pay taxes for their winning prices here in spain. Many other sports pro do the same so... no, that wont help us.

Anyway its weird since the more fucked spain is, the more sports we are winning at 8S

One season more and your current generation is getting old and will start stopping.
Back to being mediocre, circle of life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q75UPdxTViQ&am...D77AE0FBEE

xD

I did not vote for them.
Also on the matter of banks, could it be your fault as well? Usually banks cannot survive without being sustained by the population.

I never borrowed money from the bank
How about you, the population of Spain?
Please also keep in mind that more money = better is the main idea that produced the crisis. Seems to me that the population is going on having the same mentality.

Aside who voted who, since that wont matter as most politicians seem to be cut off the same pattern, its true that people here got loans from banks.

Anyway those people where getting those loans, as in other countries like Iceland, because they were suppose to be able to pay them.

They were getting 2k wages, they had free Health Care (one of the best in the world), politicians were saying cool things on the media, so... i mean... People was confident.

People was part of the system and they were confident soo...as stated in the first post:

"Nigger please, welcome to the real world" © wotan

I just got some money for my University, still paying it.

No work for University Degrees btw or with very little income and R&D cuts everywhere.

What you think people should have done?

Thanks for posting, i really appreciate it.

"What you think people should have done?"
Be smart like me. Not getting loans. Not entering the bank at all.
When you see prices inflating on various products, especially strictly connected with the banks business, you should know that something stinky is going on.
As a matter of fact, I think that there are almost 10 years since I decided that in the future I am gonna leave the town and move to my land. The hell, even if there is electricity I found already the best solar panel option to suit my needs. I hope the water in the ground is good, have to dig a well there, seen an announce in the local newspaper some guys digging wells have to call them.

Plan your life in such way not to depend on anyone, especially not on your political system and the quality of the urbanization. Don't you see the madness? All people pushing themselves to leave in towns, or in the center of the town, even better, when outside those towns there is so much space. Why the fuck do you all want to live your lives one over the other squeezing each other and fucking each other up for every inch of asphalt? Do you realize how crazy most of you who struggle to live in the middle of the civilization are?

"I just got some money for my University, still paying it"
If you want to study you don't have to pay loads of money for it. Instead paying for your University you better buy the required equipment to help you study what you want to learn. One more mistake. Seems to me that these days every 15 iq cocksucker want to have degrees just because rumors say that then people will respect him more then and then he will find a "decent" job (decent=God protect his sorry ass to get dirty in practicing some hard work). Every lamer is convinced that he deserves to just masturbate in his office and to get loads of money in exchange.
Too much urbanization. Too many idiots who will go to University and then will lead other people. One another of the vary causes for the global economical+political crisis is the lack of competent leaders. Do you see any connection?

Stop doing things for the sake of the orientation of your society.

Well education probably is not the problem.

For example, i can speak proper English, understand what you are saying and answer kindly even in case you are being rude, or non rational.

Getting a degree is not a "respect thing" (im really sorry hearing that from you), its self improvement related and, in most cases, its also related with trying to get a deeper understanding about society and what its going on. Also is one of the biggest challanges youll face in your live because its up to you, and only you, to get it finished. Also spending as much money as you would spend on a mid-range car in your education is not a mistake since that will be the main part of the motor which will drive you through life.

You might have the opinion stated above becouse you didnt talk with the right people or you have some issue with past educational patterns//plans.

Big problem with educations is what they are taught in economical related degrees. You should go to one of those classes just to hear what teachers say...

Anyway i would eventualy go to the mountaing and plant some lettuce as you stated; do agree with some of your view's points.

Btw many of your Compatriots are getting nice degrees here, i shared room and classes with them, so they can come back your country and improve it. is it also bad?

"is one of the biggest challanges youll face in your live because its up to you, and only you, to get it finished"

You did not understand what I meant. The sense is that if you have passion for science and you study hard this will just be a almost independent process, and so wining a diploma is becoming an unavoidable coincidence. For instance I took some exam at University not even reading for what the teacher asked for, because I knew that as I "was in the business" (learned things on that field by reading as much as possible and practicing on the matter) so I knew that I will pass the examination very well.

The problem these days is that too many people part of them because they want to make big money part of them because some psychological inferiority complex so too many people want to study at the University WITHOUT REALLY HAVING ANY SORT OF PASSION OR INTEREST to the things they know they will learn there. You will hear a lot, when asking people "so you do economics because you like it?" you will hear them a lot answering that their really passion is history or mathematics or other. What the heck. My mother was working in medicine but she said that she had passion for botany. The hell with this.

So the disease is that instead having people in love with science, how things were 150 years ago, we have now people who just want to go through science to make out a living of it and to have an excuse for their dreams of superiority. I talked these days with a finalist and he told me that he payed the professor at the University to write his final work, and like I was in the University 15 years ago when things did not work this way I was now like "wtf, they write now your thesis?", and he answered me that this is a regular practice these days. Fuck me, the science is doomed then! We'd better have these guys moving county side and practice agriculture and grow animals.

The main idea on the whole crisis situation can be very well reduced to one example: when some community of Germans in the USA was asked by the Americans at the beginning of the 20th century how that they do not feel the economic crisis they replied that they do agriculture and grow animals so they did not notice any crisis. Lol? As I grew up with Germans in my town I learned from them one thing: do as much as possible things on your own, do not rely on other people's help. These German bastards used to really hate people if someone wanted to come in and give them favors.

Not relying on the government and the mechanisms of these complex financial fraudulent activities these days is the first and maybe the only necessarily step for the individual not to have to worry for tomorrow.

Portuguese government and politics are far worse...

barosso is a great example of a discousting powerhungry fag

well, that guy is kinda ok, comparing with the current portuguese politicians...

How will you describe you politicians man?

Moitas grazas for posting.

well, that thing of cutting 25% of your extra salaries in spain is ok, when in portugal its 100%... this is just a small example. nurses being paid 3.96€/hour... between may others. It s a fucking disgrace.

Every day some news surface about previous governments fraudulent activities... Most recently, one of the ministers got his degree in just 1 year doing only 4 courses instead of the supposed 36... so many things that disgust me...

obrigado*

As I read this journal, I straight away thought "I really want to see Saul's take on this situation"

GOOD TO KNOW YOUR TAKE ON THIS SITUATION IS "obrigado*" C:

hahh, i was keeping an eye on this one ;)

every politician found being backed by any kind of corporation should be publicly shot to death. maybe we would get some honest cunts into government if you knew the punishment was death.

US presidential candidates sponsors:

http://pastebin.com/j7PP0fuB

ikr

I want to throw up when I see that shit

Some seriously ground-breaking arguments going on here...

Funny how you entitled yourself to talk about things you need months or years of research and reading to even partially understand, state 'undeniable facts' and give 'solutions'.

Ignorance is the single most dangerous thing that consumes us.

However we can still talk and share viewpoints that will, eventually, improve our knowledge and understanding of this situation.

Post title is related to videos attached, neither did i entitled myself as a economy spokesman nor the title of the post is randomly chosen, i'm not sure what you mean with "entitled yourself"...

... and everyone has their own 'undeniable facts' and 'solutions' based on their partial understanding of a particular issue since nobody can completely understand anything.

So I guess you are pointing out nobody has a real solution or a non arguable 'undeniable facts' at all.

Wise men know where their limits are. Sun Tzu

Yes of course you can, but here it's mostly about stating your viewpoints in such a fashion that no proper dialogue and flow of thoughts is possible. And I meant all the people that feel entirely sure about their simple statements (backed by no source whatsoever) concerning such complex concepts.

There are solutions, but they'll never gonna be ultimate ones, there's always space for improvement, so it's wise to bear in mind that you might be wrong. While nowadays it's like: the more over-confident you are about your viewpoints, the better.

Complete the sentence however you like:
Laymen's arguing is like the Special Olympics...

Well it seems your are not that kind of people, I'm glad about it.

I also think everybody came to this post to explain themselves and their thoughts on such a complex subject.

I can only talk about myself, I tried hard to let everyone explain their viewpoints, even asking people.

Maybe its not the best place for certain posts, but its a place where, at least, people speak clear.

Laymen's arguing is like the Special Olympics...since some body, not handicapped, would come and say "hey yo! wtf! I can do that 1000 times better".

In case you can enlight us please explain yourself. Share your viewpoint, and discuss, because nobody here is the president of the CEB.

just read and u seem to bend very well!!