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QuakeCon Map pools announced (171 comments)

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Posted by chachacha @ 00:57 CDT, 9 July 2011 - iMsg

Event: QC'11

With the announcement a few days ago of Team Deathmatch replacing CTF at QuakeCon 2011, id has just given information on the map pools, and will presumably announce the prize money shortly.

The Quakecon tournament map pools:

Duel: Aerowalk, Furious Heights, Hektik, Lost World, Toxicity
TDM: Deep Inside, Dreadful Place, Grim Dungeons, Hidden Fortress, Purgatory, Realm of Steel Rats, Tornado

Link: Announcement

Edited by xou at 05:02 CDT, 9 July 2011 - 37332 Hits

11%

<< Comment #1 @ 01:02 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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jamalz

Whats this fascination with lost world? wtf is going on, BLOODRUN > LOST WORLD

come on...

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<< Comment #2 @ 03:04 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Kyto - Reply to #1

bloodrun < all

I'd rather see DM6 in mappool again than fucking ztn.

<< Comment #3 @ 03:17 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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faerie_ - Reply to #2

may you die in a fire sir.

<< Comment #6 @ 03:47 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Kyto - Reply to #3

Well FINE, as it's entertaining to spectate but it's horrible to play though.

I want to see it fall like DM6 did.

Edited by Kyto at 03:48 CDT, 9 July 2011

<< Comment #10 @ 04:50 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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faerie_ - Reply to #6

may you die in a fire sir. twice.

<< Comment #25 @ 06:05 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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moppz - Reply to #10

i love ztn :(

kicking dm6... kicking ztn.. byebye

<< Comment #105 @ 16:03 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Kristus - Reply to #10

ztn should die in a fire.

<< Comment #150 @ 16:29 CDT, 10 July 2011 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #105

Your mom should die in a fire.

<< Comment #154 @ 23:43 CDT, 10 July 2011 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #150

his mom and ZTN should die in a fire

<< Comment #127 @ 19:02 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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koji - Reply to #6

ztn is the best 1v1/2v2 map

<< Comment #22 @ 06:03 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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_Rapid_ - Reply to #1

i really like lost world! but hektik it's a non brainer map....

ZTN > hektik sure...

because if you like fast map it's already aerowalk or toxicity there, so ZTN will compensate better the map pool

<< Comment #4 @ 03:41 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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kK_Storm

Tornado? Interesting.

<< Comment #5 @ 03:45 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Xen_Crypt

i love terminal!

<< Comment #7 @ 03:47 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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No ztn. :'((

e: also intervention instead of cpm4 would be nice

Edited by kg at 03:48 CDT, 9 July 2011

<< Comment #8 @ 03:48 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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pharrow

meh. I had hoped for maybe a new map or at least battleforged instead of dm13

<< Comment #9 @ 04:42 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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scowl

Tornado? Cool.
No Intervention? Meh.

I don't really care about duel; but losing ztn is a shame.

Edited by scowl at 04:43 CDT, 9 July 2011

<< Comment #11 @ 05:08 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Dynamix

7 maps for TDM is still retarded.

I don't understand why you would do 5 for duel and then 7 for TDM either.

<< Comment #13 @ 05:32 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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atomigo - Reply to #11

iD wants do have the "new maps" in the pool and can't drop the old ones because they are AWSOME!

<< Comment #12 @ 05:22 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Dird

best 1v1 list unless cpm15 was included

<< Comment #14 @ 05:39 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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EddieF4

Would have preferred a 7 map duel pool and include ztn with T4. Perfect balance of maps but yeah, 7 maps for TDM? You're only going to be doing bo3 unless quakecon is having bo5 TDM final.

<< Comment #15 @ 05:42 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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u3a6

Duel: Aerowalk, Furious Heights, Hektik, Lost World, Toxicity

REALLY?

drop hektik and add ztn, replace dm13 with t4 or a totally new map... it's just plain stupid hektik and toxcity in the same map list...

<< Comment #114 @ 17:03 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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xou - Reply to #15

hektik and toxcity in the same map list still makes sense in my eyes.

but I have to agree on dm13, this map only proved itself to be the most overtimish/slow map in the quake3/QL era (or maybe dm6)

Edited by xou at 17:03 CDT, 9 July 2011

<< Comment #151 @ 16:30 CDT, 10 July 2011 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #114

Dropping ztn and adding those two makes sense as far as id being consistant on shitty decission making.

<< Comment #155 @ 23:44 CDT, 10 July 2011 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #151

DH map pool.

<< Comment #16 @ 05:43 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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zeroql

how many tdm teams will be on quakecon ?

<< Comment #18 @ 05:50 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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/rage quit - Reply to #16

one and a half? maybe 2 if noctis gets lucky and wins the lottery...

Edited by /rage quit at 05:50 CDT, 9 July 2011

<< Comment #20 @ 05:54 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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draven- - Reply to #16

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2107940

<< Comment #99 @ 14:32 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Anonymous (184.72.148.189) - Reply to #20

vote for pedro

<< Comment #17 @ 05:48 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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/rage quit

R.I.P ztn...:/

<< Comment #19 @ 05:54 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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draven-

intervention gone good stuff... next stop remove real of steel rats... thanks :)

<< Comment #23 @ 06:03 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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faerie_ - Reply to #19

You should pick up drinking again as your main hobby, you're not funny at all when you're serious.

<< Comment #26 @ 06:09 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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draven- - Reply to #23

if you say so mr troll

<< Comment #21 @ 06:02 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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dradorb

Cool to have a new map in TDM, but remove Hiddenfortress ffs, not Intervention !! :-(

<< Comment #24 @ 06:03 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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moppz

Sombeody knows anything about the pricemoney?

it is time :) .. quakecon is soon :D

<< Comment #27 @ 06:26 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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cha0z_

hekshit out, ztn in.

<< Comment #28 @ 06:41 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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fuzz

Aerowalk, Furious Heights, Hektik, Lost World, Toxicity

bleh

i'm tired of these fast maps like hektik+toxicity, 3 of them (inc hub) is simply too much

give back ztn or even dm6! or some new map

and lost world -_-

<< Comment #30 @ 07:05 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #28

i'm tired of these fast maps like hektik+toxicity, 3 of them (inc hub) is simply too much

so true, they should just replace hektik with battleforged if they want new maps

<< Comment #34 @ 07:12 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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draven- - Reply to #30

battleforged and concrete palace we tried those there dogshit, i rather see t4 instead hektik

Edited by draven- at 07:13 CDT, 9 July 2011

<< Comment #37 @ 07:20 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #34

the new bf is just fine and we already got to see a few nice matches on it actually. last one i remember was the k1llsen garpy game that was very entertaining.
its not a map that will stay forever but uts good enough until we have something better. for now we need some diversity

Edited by Nukm at 07:21 CDT, 9 July 2011

<< Comment #38 @ 07:24 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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draven- - Reply to #37

old bf is much better then new bf what are you talking about??.... :)
replacing a shit map with a shitmap what do we gain from that? nothing.... :)))))))))

(ps k1llsen and garpy are prolly one of the few who actually kinda like bf everyone else just hates it...)

Edited by draven- at 07:26 CDT, 9 July 2011

<< Comment #41 @ 07:44 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Dird - Reply to #38

1-0 win is better than 9-7?
old bf was fuckin zzz

<< Comment #55 @ 08:24 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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ffx - Reply to #38

Maybe you should explain why u don't like the new bf? But hey rather post some retarded :))))))))))))))

(ps remember how many people disliked t7 :)))))))))) )

<< Comment #63 @ 09:20 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #55

I hated t7 cuz it was so fucking weird, the delay of ra and mega makes it playable though, and its nice to spec now, but at the start it was very gay

<< Comment #171 @ 07:24 CDT, 20 July 2011 >>

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Kyto - Reply to #38

Couldn't agree more. I actually liked that map before it got ruined by the update. ;__;

<< Comment #29 @ 07:00 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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baksteen

only if hektik would be replaced by blood run we'd have a perfect pool

<< Comment #31 @ 07:06 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Teen Queen '

I'm glad ZTN is out.

The responses in this thread probably come from addicted ZTNers.

Edited by Anhedonic at 07:06 CDT, 9 July 2011

<< Comment #32 @ 07:07 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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cha0z_ - Reply to #31

90% of the people? Also 3 fast paced maps are too much(as fazz said).

<< Comment #35 @ 07:14 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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kK_Storm - Reply to #32

and as guard said 3 fast paced maps are too much.

and yes, ZTN FOREVER ONLY ZOMGWTFBBQ!!!!! hekshit out plz.

<< Comment #42 @ 07:44 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #32

You are right. 90% of the people playing QL are obsessed with ZTN.

It's not even funny anymore.

Prime example of nickname_UA and most played map ZTN

<< Comment #44 @ 07:48 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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burgonya - Reply to #42

ahahaha oh wow

<< Comment #49 @ 08:06 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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ischju - Reply to #42

how can he even lose one map?

<< Comment #82 @ 11:54 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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kK_Storm - Reply to #49

Cause he's raging one map noob, I added him to blacklists long ago after he just quited when he get bad starting spawns/put himself in a wrong spot and dies.

Check this guy out: http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/arenas/2xM

That's nerves of steel and big ztn only balls! (1 quit, WTF?!)

<< Comment #109 @ 16:36 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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/rage quit - Reply to #82

Who is this faker?? He usually trashes highskill players.:S:S:S i bet he jerks off watching ztn demos.

<< Comment #113 @ 16:53 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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kK_Storm - Reply to #109

What do you consider 'high skill player'? He's one map player, so he knows it perfectly. I played him few times, won some games, still if you make mistakes you pay for them and its quite hard to kill that +back bitch, he knows how to do it.

<< Comment #120 @ 17:20 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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/rage quit - Reply to #113

i meant that i saw him win ZTN(obviously..the only map he plays) vs high skill players. There were some really good..shrek_ua and baksteen are the ones that come to my mind. i consider them good on ztn.

<< Comment #50 @ 08:06 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #42

<< Comment #77 @ 11:27 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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stunt.us - Reply to #42

omg is this real life

<< Comment #131 @ 19:19 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Toin Coss - Reply to #77

Edited by Toin Coss at 19:20 CDT, 9 July 2011

<< Comment #152 @ 16:31 CDT, 10 July 2011 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #42

The other 10% are the morons at Quakecon playing shitty maps that are not ztn.

<< Comment #36 @ 07:15 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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kK_Storm - Reply to #31

We don't need to guess about ztn addicts, we just need a poll.

<< Comment #33 @ 07:12 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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burgonya

whysevenmapswhy.jpg
whysomanyfastduelmapsstill.png

<< Comment #39 @ 07:25 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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havz0r - Reply to #33

[email protected]

<< Comment #40 @ 07:35 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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raw

Intervention didn't get played once at DreamHack so i am not surprised to see it removed for something else. Would have been good to include something like Retribution which got a lot of love in the recent ESL Summer Cup.

<< Comment #51 @ 08:08 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #40

not that it changes anything but it was played one time actually

<< Comment #83 @ 12:24 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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raw - Reply to #51

Well yeah, thanks for pointing that out :-) but the point was it was used 0/1 time, which is why its dropped basically.

<< Comment #43 @ 07:46 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Teen Queen '

I gaze upon the "this game is too slow" and "remove footsteps" threads whilst reading this one.

People crave slow maps with passion and bash the slow play-style.

<< Comment #46 @ 07:53 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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leopold ' - Reply to #43

That's what you get if you jump on the OMG-unite-all-quakes-into-11!-lets-meet-on-lowest-denominator bandwagon.

<< Comment #54 @ 08:18 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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T1E ' - Reply to #43

it's always the unhappy people who are louder in voicing their opinions

<< Comment #45 @ 07:50 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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dlx

hektik, lostworld out
2 new maps in

<< Comment #47 @ 08:01 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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SyncError

We would have seen a different map pool if more practice time was allotted, but with the tournament drawing near it was safer to stick to the DH map list.

The exception here of course is the swap from Intervention to Tornado in TDM, due to Intervention only being played once out of 57 games played in the DH TDM tournament.

Edited by SyncError at 08:32 CDT, 9 July 2011

<< Comment #52 @ 08:10 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Izi - Reply to #47

stfu and let ztn in

<< Comment #57 @ 08:52 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Lave - Reply to #47

end this struggle and bring quake 5

<< Comment #61 @ 09:20 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Izi - Reply to #47

and fix the vote system too

<< Comment #64 @ 09:24 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #47

Syncerror always ninja'ing onto esreality to answer some stupid shit instead of letting us know ladders are on the way or that he has some tournament lined up or new maps or something

fucking waste of space

<< Comment #80 @ 11:36 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #64

He actually has 1000 times more conversations with trolls on #quakelive about cement launchers and shit like that than talking about important issues with community.
It's pathetic.

Edited by p4r4 at 11:38 CDT, 9 July 2011

<< Comment #119 @ 17:15 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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u3a6 - Reply to #80

cement launcher is the next big weap

<< Comment #78 @ 11:28 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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stunt.us - Reply to #47

SO WHY DID U ANNOUNCE SO LATE?

<< Comment #117 @ 17:06 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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xou - Reply to #78

sponsors

<< Comment #81 @ 11:37 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #47

OMG, it's as if you SUDDENLY learned that it's QuakeCon next month and you had to rush everything...

<< Comment #88 @ 13:31 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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xoji - Reply to #47

Why did you chose TDM knowing that it's highly likely no one from Europe will be attending and the TDM scene in America consists of 2 active teams?

<< Comment #91 @ 13:44 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #88

Because at id software they are all bunch of morons except Carmack

<< Comment #107 @ 16:24 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Dird - Reply to #91

and hes too busy reading =[

<< Comment #96 @ 14:13 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #47

watch out for those electricity thiefs

<< Comment #139 @ 03:27 CDT, 10 July 2011 >>

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Anonymous (92.76.234.40) - Reply to #47

timelimit 15 for duel plz

<< Comment #141 @ 04:18 CDT, 10 July 2011 >>

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G.I. Jonesy - Reply to #47

Fuck a free game. Everyone here would gladly pay extra to have proper developer support.

I don't understand id software. We're your customers, and yet you completely ignore and neglect practically everything we ask. What do you want from us, a formal invitation into esports?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I would pay $10 a month if id software would provide the things we've been requesting.

Edited by G.I. Jonesy at 04:48 CDT, 10 July 2011

<< Comment #48 @ 08:01 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Lethe

life support is reaching the end, quake 5 pls

<< Comment #53 @ 08:11 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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StywoO

They should just add t4 and ztn. There is no need to remove anything. Why are people so stuck on having 5 maps?

<< Comment #59 @ 09:10 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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EddieF4 - Reply to #53

Exactly and there's no "they haven't practiced those maps" excuse either. It's only 2 maps that have been around forever.

<< Comment #58 @ 08:53 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Anonymous (173.32.210.80)

Seems like Quakecon is based around European players now since TDM is DEAD in the Americas.

Lack of updates, no one playing premium, same garbage maps getting boring.

If Quake Live had all of the threewave maps it would be a blast, when will ID learn to listen to the community? When will they learn about molding a game from a success like Q3 that had CPMA, many great maps and lots of competition?

They need to think up something here, or fire the monkeys.

<< Comment #60 @ 09:20 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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r1ddler - Reply to #58

ql died primarily because there still is no custom map/mod support

If q3 had such restrictions it wouldnt last a year

<< Comment #62 @ 09:20 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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boenk - Reply to #58

i agree, the threewave tdm maps were perfect

Oo

<< Comment #66 @ 09:41 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Xen_Crypt - Reply to #62

threewave should make quake 5

<< Comment #56 @ 08:50 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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boenk

finally ztn is dead (the map, not ztn himself) but hektik? srsly?

<< Comment #65 @ 09:36 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Daddy_

well, when u see ztn get tossed from the map pool, u know quake is dead ;)

<< Comment #67 @ 09:53 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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kevz

As said before, the duel map pool is really off balance. Too many high paced maps with 1 balanced pace map (t7) and 1 slow paced map (dm13)

I can understand where the ztn ragers come from, but i dont believe its a good idea to reintroduce ztn.... again.

Aerowalk, Furious Heights, Toxicity, Replacement slow paced map instead of Lost World, replacement average paced map for Hektik, IMO.

and i have no fckn clue about TDM, ill leave that to the few people that do play that gametype (never heard of tornado before, isit new? ;p )

<< Comment #71 @ 10:33 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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EddieF4 - Reply to #67

Lost world is the only slow paced map without rail so it has to stay. T9 should be reintroduced to replace hektik. Not really any other maps that would be a decent replacement really if you want to take out ztn.

<< Comment #72 @ 10:35 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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kevz - Reply to #71

No.

<< Comment #126 @ 18:55 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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kevz - Reply to #71

ok ok lemme elaborate, dm13 IS a good map and it should stay but i'd prefer if it would get replaced by a new slow paced no rail map, just like ztn is getting phased out.

t9... lol

not saying hektik is better as it has some issues concerning those that are on the backfoot i believe, but to throw t9 back in... what a snorefest, it really limits what players can do in my opinion and is boring to spectate :)

<< Comment #166 @ 15:58 CDT, 11 July 2011 >>

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Toin Coss - Reply to #126

agreed

ql needs a new rail-less brain map to replace dm13, unfortunately the only current substitute is complete shit (t9)

so yeah, fuck id

<< Comment #68 @ 10:00 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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GUArd

haha, I am so happy I don't play ql atm, duel mapplist so cpm`ish. so add aicontrol and instant weapon switch in next update!
Give skilled cs`er time to learn few maps and they will place top4 in qcon, point/click maps ftw!

Last Dreamhack, was 1st tourney in 10 years, who I was bored/lazy to watch, becose of that dumb mappool. I guess I am not only one.
Shit mappool = shit game.

ID can suck my d*ck.

Edited by GUArd at 10:03 CDT, 9 July 2011

18%

<< Comment #70 @ 10:16 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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boenk - Reply to #68

thats what killed q4 and ut3 imho, shit maps no one actually likes

<< Comment #85 @ 13:08 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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QkumbR - Reply to #68

ragerooz

<< Comment #95 @ 14:10 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #68

what can one expect if every fuck bragged abt new maps and asked for removal of dm6 and t4 =/

<< Comment #98 @ 14:29 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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/rage quit - Reply to #68

remove dm13 and add t9 then it would be perfect..rofl...

<< Comment #118 @ 17:07 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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xou - Reply to #68

if only you had a dick :(

<< Comment #160 @ 00:00 CDT, 11 July 2011 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #68

Raged properly.

<< Comment #69 @ 10:15 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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mavLP

:( dm13

<< Comment #74 @ 11:16 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Anim_ua

Shitpool. It would be even boring to watch. Seems like organisators are trying to satisfy desires of newbies(action, fast moves, crazy frags and complete absence of brain). Sad for me :(

<< Comment #76 @ 11:24 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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ffx - Reply to #74

Random ua ztn 24/7 only player detected who is talking about "brain"

<< Comment #159 @ 23:59 CDT, 10 July 2011 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #74

posted by: anim_UA

<< Comment #73 @ 11:16 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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By $\0/$ FiTH-disso

No open Duel tournament? :[
Hektik, Toxicity, AND Aerowalk?
All that needs to happen now, is a mass QuakeLive during Quakecon... which I'm sure will happen.

<< Comment #75 @ 11:23 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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dem0n

dm13 rocks, stop the hate. Its actually a ton better than ztn if you ask me.

Hektik isnt that bad either, I think it's pretty good and I certainly can't see how aerowalk can be rated much better when you know how IMBA aerowalk is between the guy in control and the guy out of control... For the sake of a FEW nice games provided by the top players on aerowalk (cypher vs cooller omgomg) I'd keep it in.

Toxicity hasn't offered any good game in my opinion and hasn't been pickedup by the player anyway...

Keep aero and hektik for the fast paced map
Keep dm13 for a slow paced map
Then you'd need two maps that come in between these. I would say ztn and t7 are fitting examples. (T7 is a MUST imo)

Don't think anyone will regret intervention and it's about time we get to give a chance to tornado imo...

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<< Comment #84 @ 12:33 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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dlx - Reply to #75

its about time to give the chance to all this "new" maps which are there for about a half year?! tdm and duel!

<< Comment #86 @ 13:26 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #75

What's wrong with intervention?

<< Comment #87 @ 13:29 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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chachacha - Reply to #86

There's something about intervention I just cant bear.. I am not sure what..

Pretty glad that it's not in tbh :)

Edited by chachacha at 13:36 CDT, 9 July 2011

<< Comment #89 @ 13:31 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #87

it's bear

:(

<< Comment #90 @ 13:34 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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chachacha - Reply to #89

thanks o_O

<< Comment #92 @ 13:45 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #75

if you ask me

Who would ever ask a ctf player about duel maps?

<< Comment #103 @ 15:50 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #92

dont know many people in here dont even play the game anyway and still give an opinion so i thought id give mine aswell for the LULZ.

PS esdf trolls better than you :F

<< Comment #111 @ 16:41 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #103

I'm not trolling (hey I'm not even good at it), and I have nothing against you giving an opinion.

Edited by p4r4 at 16:42 CDT, 9 July 2011

<< Comment #79 @ 11:31 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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retire

too many small maps rly

ztn
toxicity
t7
aerowalk
t4

would be better imo.. t4 always adds something different and interesting to matches.. maybe even zero4 would try playing again :)

dm13 is just zzzz and undershrunk in ql, hektik is a retardrush luckmap. ztn we've seen really epic matches (latest comeback by tox vs av3k?)

but ye, its fine that intervention is out imo

<< Comment #97 @ 14:14 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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INP

I like the beta pool the most.

<< Comment #93 @ 14:05 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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baron Railgun :

could you use paranthesis for old map names (still don`t fully remember fullcrappy new names on older maps)?
keep it pro bro =p

<< Comment #94 @ 14:09 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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w0nk0

finally someone has the balls to make a map pool which has more fast maps than slow ones. gj.

pity that the tdm map pool has 7 maps instead of 5. u shouldve taken it one more step after including tornado for intervention and gone ahead and dropped hidden fortress and steel rats both of which are utter shit in ql and made it a pick pick system so tornado actually has a good chance of getting played.

either way looking forward to this.

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<< Comment #100 @ 14:49 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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TheWalker

+ Intervention
- Hidden fortress

<< Comment #101 @ 15:22 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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kK_Storm - Reply to #100

Right, let's give up the most played map (at DH LAN) and include map that was played only once.

<< Comment #102 @ 15:46 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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TheWalker - Reply to #101

Intervention is still better balanced. If anyone says Hidden fortress is a better map then they are just clueless. And Hidden fortress wasnt directley selected alot, it was more of a tie breaker map.

Edited by TheWalker at 15:46 CDT, 9 July 2011

<< Comment #110 @ 16:40 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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/rage quit - Reply to #102

hidden fortress must stay so i can watch tox and linkin hitting gazillion percent lg and rail.

<< Comment #115 @ 17:04 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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vor_ - Reply to #102

Intervention's balance in quake live is pure shit. It doesn't work well at all anymore, but this is hardly surprising when you understand it was designed for q3, the changes in ql, particularly to rail, make this map poor compared to how it was in q3. Also, outside of a few magic moments from mikes playing for forze versus ic, I would defy people to recall any memorable games from q3 on this map.

Why don't you also tell us why Hidden Fortress is so bad, people love to claim this but when you hear their reasons it's always something beyond retarded like "it haz no tacticz and templay no mattah rofl".

<< Comment #121 @ 17:28 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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TheWalker - Reply to #115

Why? You dont think the team that holds LG room have a default win? And thats basically the only strategy you can have on it. But if you like one strategy maps sure. It could be better though.

1) Remove shards from LG room, put them on the bridge/tele exit/above 50h.

2) Remove the water and put solid floor from RL to MH

OR

3) Put the MH i the middle of MH room and make the room bigger.

4) Remove LG ammo. Add RL ammo there.

But i have heard that you love HF and dislike purg so... yeah.

<< Comment #123 @ 17:46 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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vor_ - Reply to #121

No you don't have a default win, for a fucking obvious reason as well. Unless you completely outclass your opponent the LG/YA room is a contested position that will change hands throughout the game. While it might be the favoured position for teams, a team who knows how to play the map can still cause a lot of problems with good positioning, using the rail and rocket, to make pushing out of LG/YA a difficult task. I'd also hazard a guess that you couldn't identify two of the major reasons LG/YA is so important, based on your map "suggestions", if they even qualify as such.

If you ever play TDM outside of pickups perhaps you'd gradually understand. I guess that's why you probably think Purgatory is so great though. So... yeah.

<< Comment #125 @ 18:37 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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TheWalker - Reply to #123

Hahahaha. Man, why do i even bother. Hf in the world.

<< Comment #140 @ 03:31 CDT, 10 July 2011 >>

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vor_ - Reply to #125

I don't know why you bother either if you self-destruct that easily.

<< Comment #142 @ 04:19 CDT, 10 July 2011 >>

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kK_Storm - Reply to #125

So fucking clueless. Watch Team Russia game vs colwn and reconsider what you're saying.

<< Comment #129 @ 19:05 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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davis - Reply to #123

Purgatory is fucking awesome

<< Comment #147 @ 05:24 CDT, 10 July 2011 >>

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Disrepute - Reply to #129

Yeah, it's a great map for pickup.

<< Comment #162 @ 02:23 CDT, 11 July 2011 >>

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w0nk0 - Reply to #115

the 2 teleporters just ruin hiddenfortress for me. its too small with the teleporters. if u removed even one of the teleporters it would be a decent map. if u force people to go lower areas for major items like red or rail, u shouldnt leave them an easy out through teleporters. certainly not to totally risk free areas of the map. even if we switched the tele exits around, as in u take the rail tele and u come up to the exit in the same room, it would be ok cos that wouldnt be an easy escape to a room without enemies.

also the teles make quad sort of op.

edit: i havent heard ur argument against purgatory. not sure if ud consider tdm clan games in north america pickups by ur superior euro standards but ive played that map for the last 2 months on an almost nightly basis and it rocks.

Edited by w0nk0 at 02:24 CDT, 11 July 2011

<< Comment #104 @ 16:00 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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ggnore

Bit gutted that ztn isn't in the duel mappool but then again it's good that hektik is being played. Need some newer maps in the pool :) might cause a few upsets.

<< Comment #106 @ 16:20 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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primord22

3 out of 5 duel maps are arcade-style crap, WTF?

Lame arcade-style maps, just arcade fighting non-stop. Unbearable to spectate these games, spamming non-stop in a small map for 10 minutes and with some retardedly high final score (reminds me of high-scoring NBA or NASCAR, each point/overtake/frag doesn't matter much). dm13 is one of the best pro 1v1 maps ever, so that's good, but aerowalk can go lick my balls ("oh we're so against old maps so we drop ztn, yet we keep hub"???). Now adding two additional small fast-paced maps is too much.

Can we at least have some balance instead of all one-style mappool?

<< Comment #108 @ 16:29 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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karizma

lol. hektik still there..

<< Comment #112 @ 16:52 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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chachacha

When I first played QL all people did was whine about '+back' maps, now maps are given that encourage +forward gameplay (not 4 overtimes, although dm13 is there) everyone whines again.. Toxic/ Aero games are extremely nice to watch, aero/hektik have given very good matches (crazy comebacks) .

The truth is no matter what maps the majority of players will whine, never satisfied - worse than grannies.

<< Comment #116 @ 17:05 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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rexob

Do id software purposely try to fuck things up just to piss people off?

Quakecon is such a pointless event now. TDM was already ruined because they have to announce the details so late for some reason, and now duel, which was already going to be lacking some good players, will be filled with boring aim maps (1 of which is shit, the other is just shit in QL)

And that's not even taking into account the inevitable delays and fuck ups while the event is running.

<< Comment #122 @ 17:41 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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ffx - Reply to #116

Gosh this aim map shit is the worst example one can give...

Like you don't need to think on other maps -______-

<< Comment #128 @ 19:05 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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rexob - Reply to #122

What are you even talking about? Of course you have to fucking think.

It just takes much less skill to win on a map like Hektik, it's boring to see maps won with aim and aim only.

<< Comment #133 @ 19:29 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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ffx - Reply to #128

You have 11 games on hektik how the fuck can you even say that it takes less skill than ztn?
Yeah you probably got raped a few times. Hence your conclusion Q.Q rail only takes no skill ...
Btw. have you seen k1llsen vs rapha on ztn? There is a reason why noone really wants to play k1llsen and cypher on ztn whereas both aren't the biggest fans of hektik. At least k1llsen doesn't like it though it is apparently all rail and requires no brain trololololo....
Why does fazz prefer hektik over ztn (I hope Im not wrong :D) though he is more or less a brain player?

Watch some rapha and fazz games. Watch the dahang vs k1llsen hektik dhw 10 game and then claim exact the same thing.

<< Comment #135 @ 19:48 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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rexob - Reply to #133

Because I've been inactive for just less than a year? k1llsen is quite a clever player, he just makes mistakes. And fazz has a good railgun aim, plus he's an aggressive player, of course he's gonna like it.

I don't think fazz is great on ztn or dm13 at all.

I'd watch it but it's quite late and I'd like to stay up for a while yet. Hektik is the sleeping pill of QL.

<< Comment #124 @ 18:28 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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megaman3

expect amphi to be added next year.

Cooller must be very pissed off about this map pool

<< Comment #136 @ 19:59 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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lukee - Reply to #124

amphi?

FUCKYES

<< Comment #158 @ 23:55 CDT, 10 July 2011 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #124

cooller is pissed about any map pool that includes any new maps.

He's too shabby to learn anything new.

<< Comment #130 @ 19:11 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Fudge912

asylum, trinity, sacellum, power station, and hells gate redux for duel. maybe spacectf.

<< Comment #137 @ 20:17 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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pks - Reply to #130

I'm cool with qzca2 for duel, it was fun.

Flame on, bitches.

<< Comment #132 @ 19:28 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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RonC

first 5 maps of this poll result is a fine map pool:

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2064746

this is what polls are for...

<< Comment #145 @ 04:40 CDT, 10 July 2011 >>

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w0nk0 - Reply to #132

polls are made so peons can pretend that their opinions are important.

<< Comment #149 @ 15:31 CDT, 10 July 2011 >>

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Anonymous (99.65.139.117) - Reply to #145

keep trying to pretend like you're someone important and not a peon yourself, fuckwad.

<< Comment #170 @ 16:54 CDT, 13 July 2011 >>

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per1klez - Reply to #149

sup kgb.

<< Comment #134 @ 19:42 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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r1ddler

duel has a good map pool, tdm is fine also

<< Comment #138 @ 23:08 CDT, 9 July 2011 >>

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Anonymous (121.222.9.185)

why dont u just make it a 12 mappool

pick , pick, pick, pick, agree

i dont see why this is difficult. both players get to play maps they are strong on, and agree on a fifth and final map .

example

for the first four

cooller picks ztn, opponent picks hektik, cooller picks t4, opponent picks toxicity

for the fifth

cooller picks dm13/t7/dm6/house of decay, opponent chooses battleforged/t7/house of decay/dismemb

cooller is top seed so he chooses from the available maps they agree on, which are t7 or house of decay, t7 is selected , therefor your picks are ztn/hektik/t4/tox/t7

pretty fucking simple. bet this would turn out in more best of 5 matches as well. and if an upset happens, well done, clearly he was outplayed.

it also helps ppl who bother to be good on every map as opposed to just a select 5.

<< Comment #146 @ 04:45 CDT, 10 July 2011 >>

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dlx - Reply to #138

lets play lotto

<< Comment #167 @ 18:41 CDT, 11 July 2011 >>

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StywoO - Reply to #138

Duel tourneys should use more than 5 maps. I think 7 maps is best. (ztn and t4 along with the rest of this years quakecon maps)

As for picking first vs tossing first, I agree that picking first is better. Players should be able to play their best maps, and I would prefer to see people play their best maps as well. And as rapha has talked about before, players should not be able to choose not to practice a particular map without being punished for it. If you know the person you're playing doesn't have much experience on a particular map you should be able to exploit that.

Edited by StywoO at 20:02 CDT, 12 July 2011

<< Comment #143 @ 04:23 CDT, 10 July 2011 >>

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Jubei

Drop Hektik for ztn else this is complete borefest and other level fail

<< Comment #157 @ 23:53 CDT, 10 July 2011 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #143

Yes, please introduce another slow campy map, this will make it SO exciting for the spectators.

<< Comment #163 @ 08:36 CDT, 11 July 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #157

Yes, please introduce another slow campy map, this will make it SO exciting for the spectators.

what a biased way at looking at it, i find those arcade style maps boring to watch but what made quake so great was always the diversity and thats what we need to keep

Edited by Nukm at 08:36 CDT, 11 July 2011

<< Comment #144 @ 04:38 CDT, 10 July 2011 >>

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jamalz

I like Hektik, fuck your old maps, bitches.
If you are going with old maps, then choose the most fun to spectate = Aerowalk + bloodrun

Hektik
Toxicity
Battleforged
Aerowalk
Furious Heights

bo7
+ Bloodrun
+ Vertical Vengeance

<< Comment #148 @ 08:19 CDT, 10 July 2011 >>

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Anonymous (173.32.210.80)

To all the Americans and Canadians: Please relax.

To all the Europeans: Enjoy Eurocon!

<< Comment #153 @ 16:33 CDT, 10 July 2011 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #148

Better Eurocon since it doesn't exsist, than Quakecon aka "delaying a crappy duel tournament for hours in order to get average looking girls throwing bras around there to give a Cadillac as a present"

<< Comment #161 @ 01:25 CDT, 11 July 2011 >>

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Toin Coss - Reply to #153

your description makes it sound better than it really is

its more like "delaying a crappy tournament because there is no electricity"

<< Comment #156 @ 23:52 CDT, 10 July 2011 >>

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Teen Queen '

Remember the time when people didn't shit their tears out and complained about map pool? Me neither.

<< Comment #168 @ 22:24 CDT, 11 July 2011 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #156

Yeah, because no one was stupid enough to drop ztn until now.

<< Comment #164 @ 11:43 CDT, 11 July 2011 >>

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G.I. Jonesy

Freedom of the press, while maybe designed to keep governments legit, can also be used to keep businesses the same way. Why don't some of our journalists stick a camera in id's face, and ask the questions we all want answered?

<< Comment #165 @ 15:24 CDT, 11 July 2011 >>

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Cicc1o

aerowalk, ztn, t7, dm13, toxicity
was it so hard?

<< Comment #169 @ 16:50 CDT, 13 July 2011 >>

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per1klez

campgrounds/temple of retribution > hidden fortress.
intervention > realm of steel rats.

tornado is ok.

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