Human brain is not satisfied with just mathematical anticipation and skill (quake case).

I'd say that the sin of this century is execution.

Execution does always come in opposition to liberty of dreaming and to liberty at a whole. And this is the cause to many movies failure these days. They try to copy computer games and does confuse smart execution with adventure. They corrupt adventure and put cheap engineering instead in order to fill the holes. Engineering has its limits when we talk about human soul desire. They remove the freedom of dreaming and put in place precise execution. This does kill the spirit of adventure to smart persons and becomes routine for practicers. On the long run it does not please anyone.

It doesn't matter how great kung-fu do fighters fight, if it is most about mechanical technique, or how great I serve Liefje my mid-air RL right in her mouth, the more precise the executions, the less it does let place for imagination. Sexual symbolism would be reduced to zero in the last case anyway.

If I'd make a game in let's say the monkey island 1 universe, and the game wuld be played live by Monika Lewinski and Bill Clinton (put any other public person you know here, someone viewers can relate to), and in this game the action would depend on their decisions, this would gain way more viewers than any rapha-vs-toxjq QL match because it would first recall brain's memory, then it would call for imagination, which will give desired freedom to the viewer.

People like to be able to criticise, to consider: oh, such a bad way things went wrong in the action, if I woudl have been in their place, I would have been doing this or that way. Or they say: it felt like I was realy going there and doing that. But they hardly will say: I would have been doing that kung-fu technique better.

Maybe it is just about the instinct of surviving which people wanna push further, anyway the more visible and close to perfection the execution, the more are the chances things based on such ways to fail in the long run, at constant or accelerated rate (depending the time it takes the execution to get saturated -and it always does get saturated, at least for our entertainment purpose).

"Competitive Gaming as a big sport being shown to hundred of thousands of viewers is a utopia."

stopped reading here

gl with your zotac QL 300 viewers

"your" in a larger sense naturlich

PL

Heard of South Korea? Rolled.

"nici nu am pomenit inca de coreea cand am zis de esports" = I did not mention korea yet

yeah. I still keep my OPINION

what I did not mention in the first time (as any smart enough person would get it without detailed explanation) is that this is an optimistic prospecting view into the future, designed more to make people (well me) ask how things can be changed. it is not an absolute negativist orientation against esports at a whole. if this is the impression it is just because the obscurantism of this esports era.
I created this thread with the intention to put a different point of view on the table, not necessarily a good or a bad one. even crazy ideas are welcomed. I still do find quite entertaining to face the vivid defenders of the esports on a site whos users do mostly consider each other losers in real life, partly because this whole esports stuff dillema -is it or is it not? am I doing something here or just fuckin' around, losing time and growing my epenis?

so the way I was talking about esports was not in the mathematical analitic correction. it did not intend to be a statistical approach on the matter, as I was putting emphasis on some sort of let's say empirical psychology, by talking about human soul needs, feelings and the way the body and the mind do perceive immediate data transmitted through the computer, final goal being to translate the personality of the player

now that Trance and other did find themselfs trapped here with their lack of understanding and perception on what I was talking about, this is their fault, not mine. I won't change the topic of the subject, just to please narrow minds

Lenin theories are still considered utopia, despite the fact that Russia was for almost 100 years under the communist regim

that's why I was talking about potential: "the more visible and close to perfection the execution, the more are the chances things based on such ways to fail in the long run, at constant or accelerated rate (depending the time it takes the execution to get saturated -and it always does get saturated"

failing on the long run does not remove the possibility of local/temporarily success, on the contrary.
now did the number of guys practicing and keeping interest into esports grow dramatically from 10 years ago, or not? for at least from the financial signature of the interest in the capitalist system... well the answer is quite obvious I guess

rest my case

"Posted by ScarletJohansonsFather"

stopped reading here

and after I made almost 100 frags on visor nightmare, pro-t4, I played a bit online and on LAN but there was the ferocious phantom there who did beat me quite regularily -stopped playing quake there
(not really an argument, just to keep up the good spirit =p)

I was kidding, but your writing is horrible, at least I see you added paragraphs.

I stopped playing when the tournaments stopped and I got a girlfriend, up to that point I was improving rapidly :)

"at least I see you added paragraphs"
paragraphs does not mean sh1t
been putting them as some imbecil requested, but it proved that paragraphs were not at fault at all
must be the esr brain then

When someone is trying to make a point, and the people that he is trying to make the point to disagree with him. The problem is not that the people listening to him are in error, but rather the person who is trying to explain something.

I always remember that when I am trying to explain something to someone. I need to make it as neat and concise and easy to understand as possible.

It is never the fault of the listener.

only the idea was not quite to explain things -as hard as someone try to explain the opposite I just put in rhetorical light, it will be useless
no1 could make me change my mind, especially not with these "executioner" methods and manners, Trance the sexual style; have to put thim on ignore, never heard smth interesting from him in 6-8 years of esr browsing
interesting ideas would have been nice, but instead I got this

it seems to me that replying too much to people on esr (and not only here), especially with explanatory notes on such subjects, becomes a matter of dignity (people just try to reduce everything to their level of imbecilityor let's call it understanding) to beat you up on their own territory with their experience, like the quote say -another fine example of execution, moslty horrid pale immitations of arguments

I shall do Jonesy style by now, never replying when people talk abt my ideas and of course making my ignore list even bigger for the matter

Well yes of course, I don't reply to a lot of people now either, but things like this isn't specific to esreality. It's like this on other websites and in real life.

t seems to me that replying too much to people on esr (and not only here), especially with explanatory notes on such subjects, becomes a matter of dignity (people just try to reduce everything to their level of imbecilityor let's call it understanding) to beat you up on their own territory with their experience

if you can't defend your arguments, they (or your debating skill) are worth shit

should i read this? y/n?

a

1. Please learn to use paragraphs, my eyes bleed after reading your block of text.

2. Competitive scene already has reached hundreds of thousands of viewers for some events/games.

3. The competitive scene could easily be very popular on even a larger viewership scale (such as dedicated TV stations) IF there is a good mix in the presentation to keep it noob-friendly but entertaining at the same time for the seasoned viewer. Just a good balance and adequate casters are needed.

I was not talking about "some" fantastic phenomenon happening once every one hundred years (abt your 2. non-sense)

as for "friendly noob" stuff
a. you did not read what I wrote or you just did read some (some seems good enough 2 you) -check for those eyeballs though
b. you did not understand at all what I just said, things said going way all over your head

whatever your poor arguments (if I can call them arguments at all) does not deserve further replies

and of course
c. a and b together

Hey at least you added paragraphs to your post, well done son!

If you were following the whole of esports more often, you would know every major event reaches those numbers but ignoramus must be your middle name.

Competitive gaming as a big show for large audiences, as a big industry, is a dead horse now.

I was replying mainly to that part of your post, but you probably missed it and assumed I was talking about the other nonsense you were talking about in your OP.

ps. Amice esti dus cu pluta pe Dunare, n-ai nici o tangenta cu realitatea din esports.

speak in language what others dont understand
look cool
move away

8)

idiot.

he started
it is comon sense that when you start something new you ask foe more. it is about his unrevealed desire to be humiliated. the temptation was too high so I had to comply. I had to speak a bit in other language to show him how poor is his ability to express his feelings in a language that I handle quite well

You can't even handle paragraphs, let alone your native language. Get back on your meds please.

Trance: I suggest that he is not even able to handle his native language, but I also ask the admins of esr to delete the comments made in romanian so I can not back up my statement, but no1 can unprove it either; can I look more cool?

and who the hel is the ass kisser admin who realy does feel the need to kiss Trance's ass, by doing what he ask for? (replies in romanian were adressed to Tranceidiot directly, and were not part of the main thread)
where is your beloved arQon you feeled the urgent need to kiss his ass, back in the days? Liam and most of his kissing-ass buddies. anyone?

awww there there, no need to feel butt-hurt.

go on again with your superior attitude moron

typically romanians style: stupid as fuck, know some things here and there, they consider themselfs specialists just because they know that australia is a continent while austria is a country and they think they have been born with superior genes (it is a true national disease in here, romanian girls are the most beautiful in the world and romanians are the smartest and Trance does know about esports yeah)
and then if their phylosophy does not give proper results then they blame fate -croatians are kinda the same too

for instance they like to say a lot that a lot of microsoft employees are romanians, omitting after when they blame microsoft for the stupid software, (it's your romanian ass-fuck work then at fault, fags)

also how many romanians quake players did win zotac cup, or any significant competition; the hell, every time there were serious matches between the best hungarian vs the beast romanian player, romanians sucked it up
or how much competitive experience do you have Trance in QL, Q3, Q2, any, won anything big recently?

typically arrogant romanian imbecil -aquashark should be your gf

You seem.turbo-butthurt there, kind sir.

Trance Buddy list:
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[iM] ShadyRX - Faq


wondering why

Yes, I know Trance since 2006. Problem, Officer?

In regards to your abstract psychobabble that no-one else paid any attention to ( the fact that popularity is established by game's symbolism giving the player ability to relate: it just doesn't work.

Why? because many popular sports and games contain niches and concepts, Chess was very popular in the 20th century up until the 90s, despite very hardcore strategic analysis (and only thing which hampered it were Kasparov's desire to create a competing chess governing body). Formula1 contains the sort of technical rules and regulations that can make a neuteral fall asleep (one of my housemates is an f1 fan, and there is a shitload of things behind the scene from history of Team X's techincal director /lead engineer to things like spoiler limitations to XXmm), yet F1 is a multi-billion sport which a lot of people maintain an interest in (even if mildly), Chess is still played worldwide and has the sort of amateur following that any FPS can oly dream of.

Game-wise, sc/sc2 is much more confusing to a newcomer (300apm? 4pool? macro vs micro? 3.4 niggawats! ), I have never met a level 35 mage in real life, and dynamics of any headshot/weapon combo in CS (and map knowledge) take a lot of time to master. Yet Starcraft, WoW and CS2 are still extremely popular.

It's an interesting point you put forward, but it tends to ignore a lot of facts and online gaming trends for the sake of sounding more correct.

Having covered that, I would like to add the following:

You seem to be turbo-butthurt there, kind Sir.

Hmm? Proleague/MSL happen multiple times per year, and bring in millions of viewers.

welcome to totally not the place where we live, regardless of the social/economic context that made broodwar as big as... something fucking huge in south korea.

He argued that "Competitive gaming as a big show for large audiences, as a big industry, is a dead horse now. ", and it's obviously false. It *can* work with proper support.

http://www.gomtv.net/league/index.gom

Yeah like american football or baseball is easy to understand at a first glance or everyone understands offside ...

That one sentence is more valuable than the whole 'article' or how to call it :)

Computer games now are way too complex and impersonal for regular viewers.
You won't be able to catch the attention of regular people to this, even if you will explain them all the rules. Soonner or later, they will fall asleep while watching.

This is completely false. I've watched quake matches with plenty of people who had never played quake/were not into gaming and plenty found it enjoyable to watch.

"The problem with watching computer matches is that you have to be involved in a much deeper sense to the game, which is pretty much impossible to a guy who never played the game"

just use teambased modes on lans for quake instead of duel and gg. :D

"The concept of computer games is about interactive artistical expression."

I'm not quite sure what you mean here. Computer games have a massive spread of ideas and concepts; some people play certain games for the plot/universe it's in (akin to reading a sci-fi novel for example), others play a certain game because it's a challenge and they want to beat/complete it and all of the above play computer games because they enjoy it. Others genuinely get addicted to it (wow/eve etc).

I don't think many of them will comment on the "artistical expression" prevalent in the game :)

Sure, you will hear them talk about how good the graphics are, but that is relevant to a technical standpoint just as much as an art side, as you can't have one without the other ofc.

This isn't a dig/flame/troll, I'm curious as to what you mean by the sentence I quoted above :)

ask Trance, he is able to handle paragraphs quite well hahaha

on a more serious note
I consider SP games better than MP games in the artistical regard, as their content pretty much have some adventuring/living experiences in them, regardless their limited capacity on fidel reproduction of dreams and generally extrapolated thoughts/needs, in opposition to MP games which are mostly psychology, and resume mostly on anticipation -it relates to human terms too but it usually end up in one or two results: I knew the intentions of my enemy and so I won or he won because he is smarter or has better skill -as much as I should be fascinated by human nature I tend to follow exteriors phenomenons to relate too, I admit that brain surgery is not my finest preference

when I say interactive artistical expression I refer to the capacity to "make the difference" to decide in one way or another the events, while keeping your presence and your forms of manifestation inside satisfacatory artistical barriers so to speak, which MP games with their gameplay and there rules pretty much demolish

a SP game can be a piece of art by its elements while a MP game must adress other things -like netcode, like having the right balance, etc etc, things which are artistical as the art of war is artistically, but well not entirely at all

imagine interactive artistical expression somewhere in the middle, standing between the pure artistical creation (like a piece of mozart, a statue by michelangelo or a good movie), and a MP game where you just see a sum of polygons and two guys camping for megahealth -is this as entertaining like if you look A Space Odyssey and you don't know what's going to happen after HAL does kill the crew? of course you can make some assumptions like "well even if he does lose the mega if he does not enter the fight he will be up for the RA", but as I said before this does not address any experience or needs for a person who did not play the game

SP games have a much higher grade of liberty compared to MP games, the last most of the times just pick up the elements of the SP experience and drag these elements down in order to substitute them to personal immediate needs -even regarding the psychology aspects of a MP, things quite rarele tend to go towards artistical expression, most of the times becoming as worst as possible, because players are limited by their own limitations as well as by the limitations of the rules -it does not even matter to play artisticaly good, but to win, matches of strenx and rapha are perfect examples on the matter

"Competitive Gaming as a big sport being shown to hundred of thousands of viewers is a utopia."

"Competitive gaming as a big show for large audiences, as a big industry, is a dead horse now. "

Pick One,

"a"?
pick-a-boo

I'm sorry you make no sense just like your troll post.

pick any forum you want:
WoW and talk abt how Wow is fuckin' lame
Call Of Duty, Doom3 or QL: most imbecils will want to eat you alive, they will even wanna have (c) on the games they play, like it is their property
now enter a forum whos name is esr, and say that esr if just for losers: what kind of response you think that you will got?

Still no paragraphs?

cmon...

I'd rather read your daughter's face.