i played q3 from 2000-2003 (yes the best years by far :D ) and started playing quake again more then a year ago now, i played with out a mousepad, cordless mouse, shitty settings and everything.But i played for fun, a flick air rox here and there was more then sufficient 2 put a smile on my face.I played like that for 24days of my riddler618 account...

Noobs dont want lg battles, they want air rockets n stuff

dont fucking nerf rockets :(

Rockets haven't been nerfed. In fact giving bigger hitboxes has mainly buffed the splash damage, which in my opinion was the problem with the overpowered rockets in the first place.

ye i know rox havnt been nerfed, but people whine they should be :)

In fact giving bigger hitboxes has mainly buffed the splash damage

lol'd

What don't you understand about that simple statement?

cuz you don't know what you're talking about

Feel free to explain why.

Splash damage/knockback is calculated from how far the rocket is from the center of the model, the actual size of the hitboxes have nothing to do with it

then why do i feel rockets (amongst every other weapon as well) easier to hit since the hitbox update?

placebo paranoia

well direct rockets are a bit easier to hit, otherwise placebo, the rockets have always had crazy knockback

nobody said anything about nerfing them down, just slowing...

Isnt slowing rockets a nerf? :P Meaning the rocket launcher would be less powerful as it was before

why would it be less powerful if it would deal the same 100dmg?Its just that random spamming would stop and actually be used for what its supposed to...lets face it rocket never was an offensive weapon.

How is slowing rockets not a nerf? Lets say you can deal a maximum of 300dmg in 3seconds and if you slow them down you can deal only 200dmg in 3seconds (for example, non of the values are real)

:P

What?

Fire rate stays the same.However rockets speed would be slower and it wouldnt mean shit in close combat,while it wouldnt be as easy as it is now to hit enemy in mid-range.

oh, rockets speed of travel itself, ok


while it wouldnt be as easy as it is now

so its a nerf

:P

ure quoting something out of context, your logic is bad and so are ur arguments.If ure unable to process what I wrote to u, then u shouldnt have started this thread at first place.

not really tho

In video gaming a nerf is a change to a game that reduces the desirability or effectiveness of a particular game element. The term is also used as a verb for the act of making such a change.[1][2] The opposite of nerf is buff (in one of that term's two usages).

How can you not comprehend lowering rocket speed is a nerf ?

ok lets see what you skipped when quoting me...

while it wouldnt be as easy as it is now to hit enemy in mid-range.

Its like im talking with a fucking ape.How can you not understand that rocket is flawed in current state!?

btw nice wiki skills or wherever you picked this from, you really shouldnt bother with this so much.

so defensive so quickly, calm down there buddy

How do i get this information through your thick skull, The complete sentence doesnt prove anything, but what i said, reducing rocket speed and making it less effective mid-long range Is a fucking NERF.

btw. i wouldnt mind a small nerf to the rocket launcher, similar to what you suggested, but i fear a major nerf to the RL which would make the game hitscan only and boring for me.

Now go away please, your frustratingly slow

theres this thing you obviously dont understand, but thats np as I will guide you through like a 5y old kid.

RL IS AND ALWAYS WAS A CLOSE COMBAT WEAPON!

Now that we solved this simple thing we can continue.

Isnt slowing rockets a nerf? :P Meaning the rocket launcher would be less powerful as it was before

Can you please explain to me how will RL be less powerful if youre gonna deal the same amount of damage, with same accuracy and same splash in close range!?!?!?!?!?Its not like youre gonna be aiming at a few pixel model, but youre most likely going to hit foot or direct hits, therefore increasing/decreasing rocket speed at such close range is irrelevant.You see, shooting at close range is irrelevant beacause the hit impact is almost immediate, however things WILL DRASTICALLY change in mid/long range as you wont be able to shower opponents with rockets from ridiculous range(exploiting it).At such long distance the speed of rockets counts a lot as it will take so much less time for them to hit desired target.

now do yourself a favor and change ur nick, as you terribly suck at riddles..

hahaha, unbelievable , you still think slowing down rocket speed isn't a nerf :)))))) arrogant dumb shit

nope?even an ape would understand till now..shame

nope what?, grow a fucking brain cell in that mongoloid head of yours and come back to this thread

This!!^^

Hi there CA lg only noob :)

Lol I played CA 10times in my life and my lg sux..U really are an ape.

Nea fukaj.

APE!

L:)))

slower rockets are a nerf because they are easier to dodge you fkn idiot. god!

Yes, exactly, thought thats a no-brainier

LG is not overpowered, and rockets could use a slight nerf. Also, noobs want everything easy, but in a competitive game the harder it is the better for the competition of the game and the competitive players. Furthermore, you lost any and all validity as soon as you said the only two good maps are ctf7 and ctf2, which is sheer idiocy. CTF2 is shit.

mb japs castels as well,.bro c2 is fun in clan games, all other maps r zZZzzzZZzz

edit: other maps being siberia,shinning and courtyard (stonekeep is 2 big for 4v4)

no, c2 is most fucked up in serious games. the only one remotely having fun is 1 or 2 of the offenders.

well ye im an att. usually :D

I can confirm. People are being raped by lg. (But it is not something that concerns me)

Learn how to fucking aim.

[+]

Too bad no one would [+] your life, even if they really could.

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I so would!

The LG in Q4 1.2 was much worse and people are fucking dumb if they get caught in 50% shaft so often in QL right now that they're crying about it. On the other hand, rockets are way too fast and splash way too wide, and badly need to be toned down to Q3 style regardless of how the other weapons are changed up.

if rocketeer has some nice skill lg has no chance on close distance once he bashes him with 1 rox its over. if he doesnt lg player wins, like he did before update :)

yes if its in a corridor or narrow space, otherwise even in close range you can lock the rl player an do some serious dmg :p

if space is open enough that lg player can dodge you decently then
1.) learn to use fucking lg
2.) maybe he's decent or ur rl skils are just shit
3.) see 1.)
4.) learn to fucking aim
5.) see 1.) and 4.)

WOW, MIND BLOWING

THANK YOU FOR THAT REVELATION

I UNDERSTAND NOW.

okay, now i can go sleep knowing I accomplished my mission

Farewell kind sir

whine

Well they shouldn't have made hitboxes bigger..Hitboxes should be like before and then they should make rockets slower.

If you know how to handle RL, an LG player can't even get into the room where you are now, so stop saying that is all LG now. Its more like all RL!

? yes one is able too spamm the entrance into a room, with granades rocekts plasma , so what?

Clearly you're playing against people who don't know how to handle a damn RL.

This game sucks

all this crying about LG beeing too strong, how about u learn to use it aswell as learning to use rockets. after that learn positioning and timing, oh learn some dodging aswell and ull find its more balanced now than before.

tldr, dont jump into a big open area when your enemy has LG, that has never worked out for the better, not now, not before the hitbox change, not back in q3 either.

its pretty gay now...ive just been getting used to whoring the lg & now i shoot a rocket far from the enemy & it recognises a hit...shoot near & he flies 10m in the air =x

all you need to remember now is use rockets 80% of the time you would have used lg before...played 3 games soon after the change...got raped on dm13 cos i was using lg instead of rox...used more rox on ztn & won then used lots of rox on t7 & raped

maybe you didn't dodge the long range rockets dirt?

maybe =P

funnest thing to do for me when i was real low skill and didn't know how to shoot lg: let opponent lock onto me with lg on mid distance and I shot rockets where i would strafe :D

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O->

Shall I bring you to Quake school ? ;)

You people clearly don't know how too use an lg

;>

And you do?

Do you?

How do you do ?

scooby dooby doo

poo in your shoe

where are you ?

q4 had good weapon balance. they should orientate towards this.

oh well, there is no crouch slide, but im sure there exists a good compromise in rl balance.

without beeing too fancy, a good ql balance would be

old hitboxes
90 dmg rail
weaker rockets
balance shaft in line with these. maybe 6/6/6 , dunno.

agree;
longer reload on rail, smaller splash radius on rockets, higher fire rate on shaft+6/6/6 = fixed

sometimes i have dreams that id made q4live based on q4max mod instead of taking q3 and changing gameplay for a milion times, cause in my eyes q4max was a complete package for really fun and competetive duel gameplay, changing some issues on engine side, would make it best quake edition ever made if you dont mention qw, dunno as for team modes, calling it as dueler

balance is decent now, RL / LG / RG are all quite balanced, mm RG feels a bit too good atm.

i can hardly remember the OSP netcode from back then (my only real comparison to ql today) but if my memory serves me right, even tho it did 100dmg, it was harder to hit,... dunno how to balance RG, but i wouldnt nerf or buff the dmg :P

I like the balance now, but just theoretically there are a few possibilities for rail: dmg only to hp not armor (50 or w/e) or cq3 dmg scaling

damage scaling only makes things messy, wether you're on the giving or receiving end of the rail.

yes i agree, as I said just theoretically different approaches instead of doing the usual number games

yall should try Q43A, its 98% everything in this thread

create a scene for it and i will

what kind of scene, with a server setup, the game play is unchanged,

all weapon ammo and damages are changed,
all new fx,
airmove in duel,
crouchslide that not that retarded,
shit load of recoding and new features make better performance and less bandwidth used
both dedicated and listen servers full work
water physics and custom map gravity in MP games
vehicles in MP games
full lipsynced voice taunts/pain/death sounds in MP games for most player models
full customizable player models can now be made with full custom sound sets and voicetaunts, +inview weapon arm and skin models
full working vote system
run your own custom damage set on your server with ease
piss on the max player of 16, Q43A can have 128 for reals

if you want standard quake action, there is no point in gameplay vids, it is just quake with better performance and skillz +all new features for alcoholic frag fest pub servers

Why do you try so hard? It's genuine curiosity.

dont need to try, all the grime of recoding is done 2 years ago, most thing take a few hours, Q43A is and will be the only mod with real proper coding on any id game will ever have been was, and alway will be, the god

Can you please explain in more detail why I should try it?

why not, all you all do is complain about QL, Q4 died 3 years ago, Q43A just been getting bigger and better as the months go by.. info and latest dev patch is http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2048184#pid2048184

and no1 tries is yet

Maybe later.

your loss

can you give me link to info and latest dev Q43A patch once again, I forgot it
I might try it

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2048184#pid2048184

only place yall can get the latest dev patch > http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2048184#pid2048184

only place yall can get the latest dev patch > http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2048184#pid2048184

only place yall can get the latest dev patch > http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2048184#pid2048184

only place yall can get the latest dev patch > http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2048184#pid2048184

only place yall can get the latest dev patch > http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2048184#pid2048184

only place yall can get the latest dev patch > http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2048184#pid2048184

only place yall can get the latest dev patch > http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2048184#pid2048184

only place yall can get the latest dev patch > http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2048184#pid2048184

only place yall can get the latest dev patch > http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2048184#pid2048184

only place yall can get the latest dev patch > http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2048184#pid2048184

only place yall can get the latest dev patch > http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2048184#pid2048184

only place yall can get the latest dev patch > http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2048184#pid2048184

only place yall can get the latest dev patch > http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2048184#pid2048184

only place yall can get the latest dev patch > http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2048184#pid2048184

only place yall can get the latest dev patch > http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2048184#pid2048184

only place yall can get the latest dev patch > http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2048184#pid2048184

upload another in a few hours, that should fix all random game crashes with crashlogs that end in

\idlib\dict.cpp (461): idDict::FindKey

Can you tell me where I can get the latest dev patch pls

MAIN MOD INFO : http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2048184#pid2048184

POST OF MINE BELOW REPLIED TO THE INFO POST, ARE DEV PATCHES UPLOADED ON MEGAUPLOAD

DOWNLOAD THE LATEST POST, AND ALL CHANGES AND FIXES LISTED BELOW THE MAIN INFO POST, WILL BE IN THE LATEST DEV PATCH

DOWNLOAD THE MOD OFF MODDB, AND EXTRACT THE DEV PATCH INTO THE MOD FOLDER

show some changelogs plz

try it, and yall will be playing it until you all fucking die of old age

GTR mod looks better, have you tried GTR ?
Anyway, can you give me a link to download your stuff, preferably the latest dev patch. Post the changelog too, thanks.

i upload relativity CTF4 60 slot V2 for Q43A instead

Maybe later.

hey p0rt, what is this last devs patch? A way to see new hitoboxes?

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So it's all recoded right?

alot of it

download this http://www.prestosoft.com/examdiff/free/

the player code quake 4 1.4.2 runs on http://nullnuke.netai.net/DEF_Player.cpp

the player code Q43A runs on http://nullnuke.netai.net/Q43A_Player.cpp

the only file that has`nt been touched in game_network.cpp, but most of the game SDK files are the same if you had Q43A source

#include <iostream>
using namespace std;

int main()
{
cout << "hello, p0rt" << endl;
return 0;
}
i recoded "hello world", see?

hello dont work in SP/MP, on dedicated and listen servers with better performance, with a all in 1 win32 and linux driver

has anyone ever downloaded it?

militia release used to get a 1000+ with beta MP, Q43A which is a lightyear worth of change codewise and features get a average of 100 each release, before another is usually released 2 months later

doubt if any of the shit talkers on here have, its quake 4 its crap its full of bugs, never nothing about Q43A

latest Q43A releases are only on moddb, if you dont get it from there, then you download it off a game server when you connect to a ded or listen

This kid is untrollable

Another worthless thread hijacked by militia.

you`ll try it 1day and know how fucking r0x it is, when rage and all future releases from id suck on complete ass, and just have renderer tweaks

if they add any of the new features that are in Q43A, it will be all in the engine code, not sdk driver code, that will remain the shit of Q4 - > wolf bug fest

i believe you.

why they dont allow it on q4master, it will kill crappy quakelive, and id suck cock and become bankrupt and a joke when carmack retires, and every1 else has todo some work

get banned for mentioning it on QL forum and #chan

btw, you have any vids of pros dueling in q43a?

cause I was looking for some earlier and found 3 crappy videos on youtube.

q4 is dead, why would pro`s play it, its not made for tournies, its made for anything, more for 128 slot frag fest alcoholic servers, all the recoding and fixes, makes a lame little duel game kids works where everything works, and everything recoded, no1 tries it, there aint no vids, gameplay is just quake, running on new code for each and every entity spawned, every1 is st00pid and no1 gets it

did anyone else got the impression that the "rail hits behind enemy model" issue increased?

bigger hitboxes, so yeah

not really. but it's only 10%, cant see 'hit behind' effects like we used to see ;)