There isn't much you can do about it, unless they made a shader that increased the wrap of splash damage around applied surfaces. In which case they'd have to modify every texture used for stairs. Not worth it.

The other alternative would be to increase the wrap all around. This wouldn't work because it would also effect the way vertical fights work. Now, people far above you, in ztn rail room for example, have a strong positional advantage. But if you increased the splash damage wrap to fix the stairs, you'd also be increasing it on the gl and sg ledge on ztn. Therefore those above you have a strong disadvantage, they can't even approach the edge of those ledges to take a shot down without receiving splash damage.

Don't complain! This is a problem that's been around since quake3 and definitely not something that deserves priority.

There isn't much you can do about it, unless they made a shader that increased the wrap of splash damage around applied surfaces. In which case they'd have to modify every texture used for stairs. Not worth it.

hell yes its worth it

No. This would be a rather large amount of work for little gain, while certainly more pressing matters exist.

well its not a high priority in the big picture but to me this sounds like the work of a mapper and not of the guy who would program a ladder system for ql...
and i dont think it would be little gain, polishing those little things makes a game enjoyable to play for years and not for a week like the half assed shit gamers get thrown at them nowadays

AFAIK a shader would change nothing, it's the physics that would need to be modified. A shader has to do with what you visually see, not with any of the damage calculation that is done in the background. What they would need to do is modify the way the hit detection is done on the hitbox when a player is on stairs which is just asking for a bunch of bugs (or change all the stairs to behave like ramps, in which case the "stair" would just be a texture and not many different surfaces... food for thought)

He means a shader to identify areas of the map where they should apply the new physics. Like how caulk is a shader used to show when to stop drawing or whatever it does.

Thanks for clarifying my post a little.

A special shader like this requires programming as it's not in the quake3 shader language by default.

I'm sure there are tons of other ways of tackling the problem, all being very situational on the programming side.

no. a problem thats been around since cpma.

>implying its a shader issue.

I didn't imply that. The issue of how many units splash damage should travel through geometry has always been there. Baseq3 at some point was improved by preventing damage through floors. The problem then changed slightly, it's possible that there is some special case now in the code that prevents splash damage from passing directly through geometry, yet allows it to pass through a corner (90 degrees or less) of the same brush as long as it is close enough to said corner.

This is purely conjecture, but somewhat educated conjecture based on my experiences working with the CPMA dev team. After all I've never once taken a look at the quake3 source code. I recall the issue in regards to CPMA, at some point the distance you had to land a rocket from a corner in order for the splash to wrap was increased. I remember testing it and feeling how awful it was overall (many side effects ie. shooting the edge of a ledge above you and landing massive damage on someone up there but practically out of sight), even though it fixed the stairs splash damage issue. Ultimately the dev team settled on the current settings used in CPMA and now in quakelive. It seems to be the best compromise, after all you have to be just slightly more accurate when shooting up stairs, but the rest of the game works perfectly fine if you clip the necessary areas and keep your geometry neat on the level design side. You can thank swelt for how clean cpm maps were overall.

They should just put a transparent ramp/poly over the stairs, Nobody gives a shit if stairs don't feel like stairs and it would fix all the BS. I did this on the edge in q4 as a test and it was a 1000 times more fun.

When you start constraining the gameplay to fit the logic of the graphics you usually end up with something bad.

remove all stairs and replace with ramps

this way ql isnt prejudiced against people in wheelchairs!

it is your fault when you rocketjump with quad :p

here is a list of useless bs in current quakelive duel maps that causes random rocket damage.

1. stairs in all maps as aforementioned
2. stupid floor near ra in t7
3. stupid holes in ground in t9
4. uneven upper floor in hektik (this is however not that big of an issue)
5. ....

for 2./3. that would be my solution - non-random but decreased splash dmg at those areas - build a shootthru net instead of the floor and build another floor beyond - the distance has to be sanely measured and tested ;)

Whine!

ragequitting noob

It is a skill to position yourself near edges and stairs where rocket damage can be cut off, as well as knowing those spots and aiming for a direct hit or a wall nearby instead.

It cannot be removed because then damage would not be cut at edges anymore´, probably thrufloor damage would be working again as well.

While I love thrufloor damage in some maps (T4!) I also like the height advantage and being hard to hit from above with rocket splash.

Maybe somehow we could have both??