T9 is fucking awful, imo.

not a reply to you, just making sure its at the top

since the poll was changed from only one option to ordering it:
1 = least suitable map
5 = most suitable map

T9 if fucking $$$

You're thinking of the g9, and it's all you need. :P

No mouse with more than 3 buttons for me, thanks ;)

T1000 beats it by miles

over half of them have issues with playability, being boring to watch, being boring to play, or a mix of them all.

there was a forum post of the guy who made aerowalk saying qlive should have an announcement soon.. where the hell is it?

Sync's dog ate the announcement

Sync's ship sank before delivering

Cover up by CIA

there was nothing about "an announcement soon" - so basically you're whining about something you've made up yourself. gg m8

There was a tidbit from hubster actually.

(And the answer to your next question is yes.)

...and in that post there was nothing about id making any kind of official annoucement, so everyone should chill the fuck out

use a little bit of logic you fucking idiot jesus

hes polish

thank you for contributing, captain obvious

I'm just making sure oreozz has noticed so he can stop trying to point out facts to a pole who won't listen or reason.

Sync did say announcement soon. Apparently he wrote too much and some suits shut him down.

yeah i heard his body is on the bottom of some lake :x

still waiting for the dev blog that was announced like 2 month ago

Why would you wait for that anyway?

because its important for him whats going on ze internet

hub3tourney1

nice map actually

ok was hard choice. t9 vs t7, i say t9

ztn, trool hard

Wanted to vote for all of the above, but back in reality a complete pool change is never going to happen...

Would have if they didn't put the goddamn maps in the game. >=/

In order:
ZTN
DM13
T4
T7
T9
DM6


I however voted T9 for those fagass teleporterz

all the cool maps have teleporters.

If you can't dance, sit the fuck down !

t9 is more playable than dm6: 50 percent or more matches on dm6 is basically a joke.

Yeah but they're still (for the most part) more enjoyable because the other 50% of the time, you're the one doing the raping ;]

I hate T7, the water and slowness around that map is just awful. There's hardly any 'plotting' time. It's just rush from mega to ra and back.

Agreed, t7 should be banned.

best map we currently have, no thx

^^

Correct.

You're confusing t7 with ztn. It's ok, we forgive you. :)

ztn is shit

this must be a joke?

...

it was not a joke
but i am aware that t7 has its flaws, still... what map doesnt?

DM6 4EVA NIGGGAZZZ
OSP DM6
VQ3 DM6
QL DM6

DM6 > ALL

INB4 NOCTIS WHINE :D

I approve this!

oh look THIS topic again

the fact is DM6 gives us the most intense and enjoyable to watch matches

however im more and more convinced to t7- it is a very good map maybe better than dm6

i would say dm13 is the worst of them all cos of lava and lava >telefags

so dm13 and on the second place t9 even though i like the map very much but we can still think its kinda retarded with those teles and spam

and i wont agree with noctic that dm6 is a coin toss

its just a VERY UNFORGIVING map but the ability of playing it and eventually coming back on it is what differs mans from pussays

ty

lava blaspheme.

"i would say dm13 is the worst of them all cos of lava and lava"

Its not my problem that every rocket push you into lava :(

its not YOUR problem? like u re the deciding voice on this matter lmao

Your words:

"I WANT QUAKE TO BE HARDCORE GAME AGAIN :C"

and you are crying about lava now? :))))

You can also fall down from the RL on dm6 and get a minus :D

damn it feels good to be quoted ;D

but hey where exactly did i cry?

im just pointing out that for me lava is more annoyin than teles thats all

and dm13 is way to claustrophobic for me :|

it doesn't own a teleporter; ergo it sucks !

I think the most uncompetitive is a tie between ztn and dm6, due to the unfairness of initial spawns in some situations. In competitive map it can't be that someone gets full control just because they happen to be born to right spot.

http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51926

and thats the point

after the last spawn system update its even worse

how hard can it be to make a code that forces specific initial spawns

well dude luck is part of the game and when u press f3 u agree with it

what does vid_restart have to do with anything?

it restarts ur brain because its addicted to quake

vid_restart is addicted to quake?

...

kind of a life analogy, if you're born in some shithole you have it way harder.

truly dee(r)p

Some people should be forced to play without image or sound too.

voted dm13 as first because I fall asleep during dm13 matches. If it were to be competetive I wouldnt, so there.

BLASPHEMY

shut your filthy mouth ibrahimovic.

ye and go clean your keyboard

n1 :D but sadly true ;)

t9 is boring to play and to watch
dm6 is boring to play, but can be really nice to watch

In order:
1. dm6 - cointoss (hi fox and noctis), usually very one-sided map
2. qzdm13 - +back zzz turtle map
3. qztourney7 - run back and forth between MH and RA, kill at one item, often lose the other one FFA map
4. qztourney9 - really limited tactics wise, but mostly fun to watch and provides close games
5. ztn - apart from some bad starting spawns and the occasional +back game, really awesome for making stuff happen and constantly provides interesting games
6. AEROWALK!!!

That's exactly how I feel about tournaments mappool!

HUB > AEROWALK

:D

qw aero > hub > cpm22 > anything that will be ported to ql

;)

we have five maps in a game and yet we still want to remove few of them? auto-screw-up.

leagues and events organizers should step up and put some pressure on iD to release few more maps. end of story!

leagues and events organizers should step up and put some pressure on iD to release few more maps. end of story!

huh? why should they? id even dont support own kid.. organizators just can move to other game where mb they get even money for putting it into tournament

t7 is most uncompetitive: you offer guy a replay for bad spawn and he fuckin' accepts it and wins

or you learn how to play it

you can't throw out a whole map just because someone behaves like an idiot.

nvc voted: [1] qztourney9 - The House of Decay, [2] qzdm13 - Lost World, [3] qztourney7 - Furious heights, [4] qzdm6 - Campgrounds Redux, [5] ztntourney1 - Blood Run

Even if it is absolutely annoying on dm6 when you get a bad spawn..

Why isn't tourney4 in the poll?

What is the the least suitable duel map for competitive play in the standard QL 1v1 pool?

it's still played in USA

t4 definitely deserves to be in a standard map pool again !

seconded

not really.

supremej voted: [1] qzdm13 - Lost World, [2] qzdm6 - Campgrounds Redux, [3] qztourney7 - Furious heights, [4] ztntourney1 - Blood Run , [5] qztourney9 - The House of Decay

Would love to see dm13 and dm6 getting removed and two new maps added.

ye, hub and t4... go!

DM6 BEST MAP EVER!!! EXCUSE MUCH???

whats the point of this poll?

This poll will be very important soon :)

It's a sad day when gillz is an insider.

It's a sad day when gillz is an insider.

It's an insider when gillz is a sad day.

insider sad day gillz

this isn't funny anymore :(

so, beta test group players were asked to make some polls to remove few maps which will be replaced by new ones very very soon, as of quakecon on? am i right or am i just hopelessly naive?

well, not hopelessly

NO OLD MAPS. No ZTN/DM6/HUB/DM13/T4

We need brand new maps.

The easiest way to do this is a community map contest.

id fails so hard for not using its community, which kicks all ass.

New CA maps with duel arenas and 2v2 type shit.
New TDM maps and 2v2 TDM maps
New CTF maps with runes and without runes
New FFA maps with TRAPS.. like some guys get crushed under a platform or fall into lava/acid when you press a button so they get negative frags so you can try to get back in the lead before they reach 50.

They also need to do:
- change nailgun to q4/q1 type
- add freeze tag (Even the inventor said its okay to add it, and he will help them.. lol 2 years ago..)
- add CTFS (it's like counterstrike meets ca, perfect for noobs)
-
website ladders and ELO rankings (for the competitive)

- OSP in game stats with how many mega's/ra's taken and damage and possibly osp names colors/graphic styles (so easy and nice to implement)
- MVD (obvious)
- private servers (obvious)

- website page with irc style pickup chat [more community involvement]
- website page streaming 1 random duel match streaming (that is been played right then) where people can go and chat about what they are seeing. [community involvement]

FUCK, just hire me to oversee this shit, I'll make quakelive boss in 2 months easy.

Pretty sure they've got something coming, but I doubt there will be 3 new maps before quakecon, so something old has to stay.

give him pint of beer

dm13 and ztn are the best maps, and when someone whine about them you can understand the degree of the noob inside him.

We need brand new maps? ok, then: years have passed since ql has been created, and no one have made maps better than the 10 years old ones.
Only t7 is a new duel map that really deserve to stay in the mappool.
(by the way, if i would invent a new extraordinary map, i wouldn't waste it making a present to ID.)

If u mean that is boring to watch the same maps, a sistem could be to make 2 maps of the mappool chosen randomly between all the duel maps that are in the duel maps list: not sure if it would work, but would be interesting because the maps wouldn't be played by memory.

I don't like dm13 at all. If you lose the frist frag then most of the time you will give away the next few frags. It depends on your spawn and item timings. But in the end you will lose vs. a good and smart player like rapha who runs yellow/shards/bubbles only and eventually punishes you with rockets in the small corridors whenever you try to attack him. (same with cypher @ dreamhack => boring)

lol.

Dm13 is boring/noobish/stupid/bad designed = i am a noob

That was in 2010. I disliked ztn and dm13 now <3 em

i'm glad to hear that, sorry if i have been a little rude :)

No offence taken I wrote a lot of bs back then :D

Worst and most boring map for duels = DM6

my god dm6 best map zzzzzz...... t7

I agree, I find dm6 very zzzzz too.

I see that gillz conceived a cunning plan:
1. Join QL secret map betatest group
2. Persuade id software to change whole mappool the day before quakecon
3. ????
4. PROFIT!

My persuasion skills are nothing but terrible.

Your persuation is nothink on LAN.

We know, we've all read your posts. :D

there is hub3tourney1 remake and 2 more surprise sauce maps, imo one of them can become a competitive map, so basically we will get 2 new maps. since we can not have a 7 map duel pool, being good on ztn and dm13 will always be valuable. Also though I personally dont like t7, that map is competitive if they do something with the stupid shotgun spawn near RA, that keeps on happening violating the spawn policy of quake-live, dont know how.

Also ban dm6, just get rid of all binary copies of the map that exists worldwide..err on second thought no..its playable in tdm.

Why can't you have a 7 map map pool?

As that's a hell to practice. Unless each tournament uses the ESL map tossing system.

Because you need to practice dm6?

Anyway I call bullshit on that, it's just an excuse thrown out to avoid even trying.

Has been tried....

Where and when?

What were the results exactly?

Prior to when the ESL introduced their IEM rules, there was a 7 mappool and was for instance used in the eurocup.

The same mappool as we currently have + T4 + CA2.

Scientific results show a reduction in the happiness of the players by 50%.

Think that was more because CA2 is shit.

And of course they would be unhappy at first, when you only have to do X work but are then told you need to do X+Y work you aren't going to be crossing oceans to take up that offer.

If it was only up to the players then we would probably still be playing just dm6, ztn, pt4 map pool.

i think all old maps should be removed.
ztn dm6 out then dm13 ( since its the map more different compared to the last q3 one) .
i wouldnt add hub for cups...it doesnt fit QL at ALL.

ztn is a good map period.

wp Italy.

"i think all old maps should be removed.
ztn dm6 out then dm13 ( since its the map more different compared to the last q3 one)"

to remove dm13 because its the map more different compared to the last q3 one????

you must be trolling, i hope

hub best map ever!

mefajpE^ voted: [1] qztourney7 - Furious heights, [2] ztntourney1 - Blood Run , [3] qzdm6 - Campgrounds Redux, [4] qzdm13 - Lost World, [5] qztourney9 - The House of Decay

T9 is the very worst map ever, by far.

u pklay on eswc?

No, I'm not qualified.

bad.. u could take it once again just to make strenx rage :D

i do not take part in the poll, my view is biased ofc

dm6....might be a bit imbalanced, yes, but if id manages to fix the (atm) broken spawns the situation will improve a lot. as often repeated it brings loads of great matches and i like to play it, although i'm not sooo good there.

ztn....very alike dm6 imho, 4-5 frags in a minute are very possible and getting out of control in the beginning is fatal. the initial spawns are broken (gl/rail) and +backing is too easy.

dm13...tactically very interesting map IN PRO PLAY. +back is necessary (not a bad thing GENERALLY), least played map for amateurs. I personally would like to play it in its pro-dm9 form in quakelive before throwing it outta the mappool.

t7....nice design/architecture for a duel map and imho only inferior to dm6 in that point. BUT: all non-vertical fights are on a plain surface around a (sometimes big, sometimes small) pillar. thats a bit boring imho. the tiles (same as stair-elements) on other maps are purely luck based. the running for the big powerups is a nice addition to the gameplay and rewards thinking out-of-the-box and being a step (or 5) ahead of your opponent. I have the feeling (even pro) players aren't even halfway there how this map might be played. I'd love to see where gameplay goes with this map and there is no reason to kick out either of the new duel maps.

t9...demands the quickest decisions by the player ("you have to be moving all the time" - cooller) and control is never safe for you, just like t4 it rewards good reading of your opponent and good fighting skills (=/= aim). it's my favourite map and i think there is no downside to it.


there are still people who only play ztn and dm6 only because they don't want to lose vs. noobs like me. all five maps are great, but i only played quakelive, so it isn't on me to decide if 'we' are sick of dm6 and ztn already. there is no reason to (-) one of the new maps, both of them bring something new to the game gameplay wise and attract new players in different ways.

ztn....very alike dm6 imho

stopped reading there

Agreed. Then he goes on to say there are no downsides to t9. Fail post.

hey I can hear you!

btw: ghana just shot a goal!

fffffuuuuu

I find t7 to be the best map - it has a good flow to it, it's not too boring, +backing won't help, it doesn't overly punish you when not in control.

The downsides to it would be the fact that most fighting happens in close proximity to the MH and RA, while the rest of the time you end up railing. Then, the water is shitty and the floor tiles sometimes block damage, same as in t9. Ditch that shit.

if they'd finally remove all that retarded water and tiles from the RA area on t7 i'd propably start liking it

What about the whole, respawning across the map for an easy ra aspect? I find that hurts the game play.

not trying to be rude or anything, but what's the big deal about the tiles and water on t7? does it interfere that much?

when you play it that sound makes you thirtsy; basically spart1e started drinking a lot after id soft came out with teh map

lol

it all makes sense now!

the tiles produce 0 dmg rockets even if they explode 10cm away from the opponent, and yeah that happens all the time

well, leave them as visual "eyecandy", but make flat playerclip to make it feel like it would be completely flat...

flat player and weapon clip, yeah would be fine with that as well

As much as I suck, all these maps have their place..

Lethe voted: [1] qztourney7 - Furious heights, [2] qzdm6 - Campgrounds Redux, [3] qztourney9 - The House of Decay, [4] qzdm13 - Lost World, [5] ztntourney1 - Blood Run


I'd add [6] Qztourney4, [7] Hub3AeroQL


[1] the water and the shitty stone placement makes t7 totally random + it looks like something that ran out of unreal tournament, too much rail-friendly.
[2] simple map, pretty much everyone knows how to own @ dm6.

the rest dunno. but they are surely better than these 2.

why thinking about removing maps?
it would be best if the map pool was of 7 or 9 maps (think of them like characters in a fighting game). people with good knowledge all around and with enough variety of style in their game to accomodate each map would win.

Most suitable in my eyes are ZTN and T7. I wouldnt remove any maps from pool tho just add few more and make spawns on start fixed.

they should replace half of the stairs on ztn near rl with a ramp so you can sneak to rl without the telecamping faggot hearing you and so you can ambush the guy.

this might help. maybe. i hope.

t9 is bullshit

why dont they remake some of the maps from quake 4 like monsoon
even lost fleet.

Id need to pay people to make duel maps.

Oh please, Lost Fleet was hell of a shit map.

The only thing that can be read from this poll so far is that ztn is the prefered competitive map, the other options are too close each other (only 7% difference from 1st(dm6) to 4th(dm13))

So this poll is null, map pool stays and just in case gillz sucks.

in q4 all maps were great to specate and play...

not sure if carmac is trolling

imo competitive maps comes from the way pro players play on the maps too, not just simply by its architecture and item locations, so I was putting ztn 1st (good items locations and all the stuff + pro players are highly skilled on this map) and there comes dm6 in 2nd place (one of the worst item locations but hey the value of matches played on it are in the top of the pyramide), then dm13 and then when they play with the best they die like the rest

isnt dm6 easily fixable? replace red armour with a yellow and fix spawn placements could go along way?

DM6 - Its a very punishing map if u do mistakes, good control is hard to break. Would prolly be very good if there would be added couple more shards to ya side of the map.

ZTN - A good map. You need brains and aim both to blossom in this one.

DM13 - Also a quite good map, but its too easy to +back in this one. Corridors should be a bit more wide and maybe even slightly curved. Otherwise a good map.

T7 - I hate this one, all fights are rockets behind the pillars stuff or rail from long distance... LG has a very little use... Also its hard to maintain a clear control and usually games come quite rushy because of that and also quite luck based (stair rockets etc)

T9 - IMO the best map of all these. Think fast, aim good and predict your opponents game and u will be strong here. Its perfected, no changes really needed, except maybe the holes in the floor, sometimes fights get quite random cuz of them...

[edit] Spawnsystem is quite retarted, both in start spawns and in normal spawning... imo it should be made completely random or somehow so that it would be possible to force spawns by controlling player...

Hope they will release new maps soon, would be nice to play something else for a while. I have never played q4 really but i still have seen some games and i feel like there are few maps that should be added to QL (phrantic, moonsoon)

dm6 is also just way to simple and play hasnt evolved much in recent time. we sometimes still get to see great matches on it but most matches are kinda one sided and it annoys a lot of players. needs to be replaced as soon as we have alternatives imho.

agreed, ztn is fine. except for the horrible spawns

dm13 +back is a problem, but dm13 has a unique play and should remain imho

t7 - "I hate this one" thats not what this thread is about, but good to know your biased ;)
i agree that the randomness of the pillar fights is annoying but...
why is it bad that we have a map that is hard to get real control on? its not impossible but sometimes its easy to get back. we have 2 maps without rail, i dont think its bad at all that here, rail is more important than lg, diversity ftw. and its new, the gameplay still evolves

t9 - lmao. such a crappy map, the layout it way too simple, fights repeat itself every 5 seconds and the cracks on the floor make some rl fights completely random. stupid map that is fine for fun matches but not for competitive matches

agree, but dm13 should be bigger.. like the nodm9 version

DM6 - Its a very punishing map if u dont know how to hide after respawn to not get spawnraped 5 times in a row

there fixed this one for ya

how is dm6 winning? everyone knows that a few bad spawns on it can determine the outcome of a game. That has nothing to do with skill or competition it has to do with luck.

Least competitive duel QL map?

I want to change my vote :(