I think it's a lot better.

On t9 you wont always know for sure which side of the map they spawned on anymore, and the force spawning is less predictable.

Not a big fan of it... wonder why I keep spawning bottom Yellow Armor on dm6 and opponent spawns next to LG and takes Mega and RA.....

Would prefer the old spawnsystem

Dito! I got that spawn aswell in all dm6 games so far since the update.
Basicly your enemy starts with the control of the items - not good...

I think your just unlucky tbh. The change log says nothing about changing the way initial spawns work.

well i got that spawn less than 5 times with old spawn system, now i got it 5 times in 2 days, it's quite weird if it's just a case

but besides firsts spawns i like it, specially on ztn it's way better than before imho, sometimes you spawn in front of the enemy, but some other times you get into safe zones where you wouldn't spawn before

Probability can be evil at times.

might be not unlucky, it might be a bug. i played 3 duel games on ztn, and on each game i got starting spawn at grenade ..., played one dm6, and start spawn i got lg, enemy got ya, so i got mega and ra :)

Yah I'm sure snycerror put in a hatelist, people who are on it get bad spawns now.

In 99% duels on ztn I made with old spawn system my first spawn was on gl, and even during the rest of the duel I kept spawning at gl 80% of times, no more now tho

dm6 it's not always shards-ya, but it's very frequent it to happen :(

Thats weird, its same for me. Allways get the gl spawn at ztn, allways!!!!

you guys should play each other

tele-spawn

There was some discussion going on about removing the YA DM6 spawn as an initial spawn point I think.

The old spawnsystem was fine... even the YA - Shards spawn is better then the current one considering you can actually run towards RED.

T9 spawns are fucked up aswell.. spawning next to eachother ALL the time :/

rofl what? t9 is loads better, you cant choose what side of the map your opponent spawns on now, which was broke as fuck if you had an a decent IQ...

lol are you trolling or are you realy dumb? :D
its not about 1st spawns, its about all 10 mins game, 99% ppl said that QL spawn system sux. hope this gonna be better, didnt tested it lot.

dunno yet, but on t9 i think i should practice my mg skills for the initial spawn

spawn frags are pretty much non existent now

Seriously get the OLD spawnsystem back... this is getting retarded. SPAWNS make NO SENSE AT ALL at the moment

are you talking about initial spawns or respawns during the match?

both...

wait for walter to find a way to exploit it :)

played dm6 3 times and spawned 3 times YA jumppad ending up taking YA armor in the start.... great feeling losing out on LG, Mega and RA =)

Thanks for BETA testing it in public instead of asking 15 topplayers to test it first like they did with the previous "BIG" update where the LG and other stuff got fixed

you mean where lg and other stuff got ruined

another one hates the strenx

i don't really care about strenx, i just don't like the hitbox change :)

Controversial!

What don't you like about it? Personally I prefer the older one as well since it's more forgiving on my shitty net, but I'm fine with the new one

The differences between good and bad hitscan aimers are bigger now, making it even more of an aim game. When everyone manages to hit the same stats, other things become more important like tactics and control or being original and stuff like that.

Why im not liking it has more to do with me getting punished so badly when going into an lg fight with a huge stack advantage and ending up only barely winning vs other pros since i can't compete lg stats wise :)

Yep, that's pretty much it. I'd also say rockets need a tweak as well.

Speaking of which, anyone know if the 7-7-7 lg was before or after the hitbox change? By that I mean was the 8-7-6 lg actually tested out with the new hitboxes? It's not like it would make a difference anyway, because it's still aim vs aim but is kinda of interesting anyway

its was 7-6-5 before, and the lg and hitbox change came with the same update

Yeah I remembered it was staggered, just not what the numbers were :D
The problem of the aim vs control thing is irritating but the thing that frustrates me most is with the new hitboxes I can hit 40~% lg on some servers and struggle to hit 15% on others... Old ones just seemed more consistent and more rewarding for item dominance then just aim-skill or even connection

Ontopic, haven't really tried the new spawns for dueling so I can't really comment (or judging from what's been posted - complain).

the thing that frustrates me most is with the new hitboxes I can hit 40~% lg on some servers and struggle to hit 15% on others...

lg accuracy depends much more on your + enemy ping since the hitbox update but ID ignores this issue

I'd also say rockets need a tweak as well.

I'd like to see rockets nerfed to 90 at least, maybe less (85?). I don't mind the splash dmg, and I'd like to see the knockback kept the same, but damn the direct rocket damage needs shaving a bit.

(waits for the flame)

Good sir,

I read your point and wanted to notify you of my opinion:
Reducing the Rocket Launcher damage will make the game even more orientated towards the so-called Lightninggun.

Yeah, you're right about that. Maybe I'm just in a nerfing mood. I don't know about nerfing the LG and going through that all over again, but it does need something.

Why don't they scale the RL damage the way they've changed the SG, making it about how much % of the total possible damage (i.e. direct hit: 100) you cause instead of 1 shot, any hit its a hit. I guess the same could go for PG as well since it does splash damage too, but PG is okay imo.

I completely agree with you. and the knock back also needs to be reduced a bit, it doesn't help matters if you are thrown fuckwards into the air after getting hit by a rocket even though you're in control of the map.
Basically the damage hurts and losing the position hurts pretty bad as well.

seemed to me like you had a better shaft than say, cooller on LAN, so what are you crying about? and yeah the old system owned, strenx and stermy on 55% lg on LAN!!, the only thing broke is 7-7-7 which is complete bullshit

more like one of those players using accel and whining about their shaft being bad

dubai was still the old hitbox...

so with the new hitbox you say hes shaft got better and yours worse? how does that make sense? lol, and i was comparing yours and his from the latest iem euro, you seemed to do fine and was just unlucky vs stermy.

i just stated a fact, not that its in relation to anything i said before ;P

and no, i'd just say for some ppl the drop in accuracy was bigger than for others

When everyone manages to hit the same stats, other things become more important like tactics and control or being original and stuff like that.

i don't think it's good to make it easy for everyone. after all, it's first person SHOOTER, good aim should be rewarded. why should a 5-months player be able to have the same aim as someone who plays for years? aim always required skill in quake, unlike other FPS games, it should stay like that.

the 7-7-7 is another thing, i'm still not sure what i think about it :)

of course ppl with good aim should get rewarded, just not this much imho, it was fine before

Cooller and Rapha are probably the two best players atm and neither of them are massive aimers?

have you actually ever watched either of them play?!

Yes, a lot.

Cooller has good rail for sure but his LG against pro players is often very low, at least in QL, I don't know what he was like in Q3.

I'm less certain on Rapha but he's much the same, they win fights through good rocket use and good control.

Anyway, my point is the best aimers aren't dominating so it can't really be that aim biased anyway.

cooller was god of the LG in 2002-2005

qlz was never known for being a good railer...

You really need to watch more demos from both Q3 and QL.

LOL

Yes, they are, but they along with maybe a few others are on a different level when it comes to brain game, he didn't say it was impossible for people with weaker aims to succeed, just that aim was becoming more important, like strenx can literally run around with lg out 100% of the time and doing pretty minimal thinking and dominating players, and i agree its a stupid path to follow

me thinks that has more to do with the stupid ammo system together with weaponrespawn 5. Like it is now it's not possible to deny LG/full ammo.

+++

HAHAHHAHAHA... cooller... sure... all those wins...

You just said they ruined lg and then your only argument is that LG requires skill now instead of being noob-friendly. Wow.

ID should've really listened to noctis because he can't aim with shaft and is a sad panda now :(

so you like your one weapon game?:)

edit: i'd just like to see the tactical side of the game in more focus than the aim side (yeye, i know its a SHOOTER).
Also im not forcing anyone to think as i do, im just stating my opinion. I thought thats what forums are there for.

i agree, bad shafters unite!

:D

Stop exaggerating. Watch k1llsen vs strenx at this rockit cup. k1llsen won in a bo5 vs strenx without using shaft basically.

Game is still being dominated by rocket launcher pwn0rs (Cypher Cooller rapha...) It's not just "brain" that makes them great. If your rocket launcher sucks in QuakeLive you have a tremendous disadvantage like with no other weapon.

WHINEEEE

like the last zotac final. the t7 match ended up with the score1-0 or smth like this
the more you have weaker weapons and smaller hitboxes, it takes more to kill your opponent, thing which any smart player will delay in the favour of picking up items -efectively if you have 150/150 against 150/150, which is kinda usual in a match where both players are experienced players, in order to kill each other they will have to fight for 10 to 20 seconds, most of the time not enough as the sensible weaker player will go defensive, and at that moment both will have to relocate, else they will miss MH and RA resulting in boring matches with 1-2 frags per match. it's like UT2004 with its strong defensive gameplay all over again

Q3/QL has always had that problem though. I don't think the last update made it anymore frequent. Assuming they did not make any secrete changes to the spawn system, the only thing that is different now is that there is 1 more possible spawn spot you might appear at after being fragged.

Before the update you would spawn randomly within the furthest 40% of spawns from your opponents current position on the map. (which applies to all spawns except the initial ones.) All they have done is increased that percentage to at least 50%.

Isnt that the purpose, since we are playing beta?

it's to izi to spawnrape in dm6 now :(

was playing ztn like yesterday and forced spawns as usual goin from 5-0 score to 6-5 with only spawnfrags so i c no difference

but personally i think forcing spawns as long as ability to smartly delay them is a PART OF THIS GAME

dm6 is totally broken u get the shard vs under the ya jumpad spawn 50% of times.

Killed someone at teleport exit @ztn where you can see the RA. Opponent spawned next to me in YA room.... great stuff I must say :>

did he rage?

i get a lot of respawns near the place i killed someone after the update, not necessarily a bad thing though.

I think what they need to add now is a system to make sure you don't spawn with-in a certain radius of the other player, that would help with some of the worse respawns and might fix the initial spawns too.

Initial spawns are pretty bad but during the match it seems to work great

strenx's initial spawn is nothink on lan!

I got at the point where I'm almost gonna cry of this amazing spawnsystem...............................

heh i see biggest change in t9 now, i dont know what to say, its harder to predict where enemy spawns but sometimes the spawns are kinda awkward

Anybody tried T4 out with this?

The situation might have improved somewhat.

you can still rail (or PG+RG) your opponent at SG and in the PG zone (works for me though)
what's wrong with t4 in your opinion? t4 spawns are fine anyway, because the map it's not that much based on control (armors/mh wise)