ESR - Does k1ck-Yuka cheat? (wallhack/aimbot)

Hello all friends!

First i would like to say i am rlly proud that you all think i am cheater, wow yep you are all correct, how did you know? MY 50% mg with 6 shoots fired is REALLY an exeptional "aimbot" , hoooray. You rlly caught me on that stats links man, clap clap hands down , inspector CAREEM columbo.You really think this is something new for me? Been listening this shit for past 2 weeks, caus of no life people checkin my accounts every day to spot a slightest change in my aim, caus they got nothing else to do, but envy somebody who they feel they are better when comparing . But i am already used to it , since nobody expect me to play good and everybody thinks i am a shit player :) Well i think those ppl are bit mad now becuase iam prooving them wrong .

- i dont need mx518 , caus i bought a far better g9x .. why would i take worse mouse which i aready once had and didnt like?

- I had aim 18-33% before caus my mouse was seriously dmged from the box.. and finally died on a cb game vs biffa. I had better aim with ball mouse than that.

-my aim isnt even good ... check stermy overall aim is better then my aim in avg of last 2 weeks... guess his hax are bit better then mine??

-i never quited vs strenx when spec joined.. i surendered after he had a big lead and control, and player with bit knowledge knows that sometimes u have bad start and when u feel that you cannot make comeback anymore why play till end? Its afterall friendly games with strenx. And just for record when i won vs players mentioned above the servers were always full of spectators which said GG WOW etc after the games finished, and licked my ass , i bet those same people will now be posting shitty comments in this thread.

-people are always unsure about people from foreign countries with bad past. sometimes people dont believe in you. But i am a fair player, i got nothing to hide anybody is welcome to add me on friends , my nick is "yuka" , and you can spectate me record demos and post em here for all to judge on something realistic.

Now wake up and stop dreaming , and before you accuse somebody next time, atleast know what you are talkin about.

I could reply much more, and loose thousand more words on this thread, but i wont , caus i just dont care .

FAILED.

Regards, yuka "the cheater" "the blacklisted" "the accused" buhu:)

<< Comment #18 @ 23:44 CDT, 4 July 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #12

i surendered after he had a big lead and control, and player with bit knowledge knows that sometimes u have bad start and when u feel that you cannot make comeback anymore why play till end?

Maybe because it's disrespectful?

Take your pity party elsewhere.

<< Comment #77 @ 12:09 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #12

If you're doing well with a Logitech g9x then that's a dead give-a-way that you must be cheating. That mouse sucks.

<< Comment #111 @ 17:27 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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zealot - Reply to #77

killsen's lg aim got a lot better when he switched over to a g9 plus i heard some good things about it from other people aswell. i doubt it 'sucks'.

<< Comment #138 @ 20:50 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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hazrd - Reply to #111

it sux

<< Comment #148 @ 22:22 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #111

it sucks. I only even bothered keeping mine for about a week.

<< Comment #185 @ 05:07 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #148

it's a good mouse. you just need a proper pad for it.

<< Comment #512 @ 11:29 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #185

wmo 1.1a, loads cheaper, still better.

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tourist - Reply to #512

agreed, but just because of the shape.

<< Comment #757 @ 13:34 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #752

And the rest too? As if expending more money on the mouse would give you higher %.

<< Comment #758 @ 13:50 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #757

nothing yuka-like, but I did have better rail aim with g9.

<< Comment #759 @ 13:54 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #758

whateva, it wouldn't make you win more. Proof: cypher, fox, cooller, toxijq, recently rapha (among others).

1.1a, choice of winners

<< Comment #760 @ 14:01 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #759

I didn't say it did you ztn baby.

<< Comment #884 @ 02:43 CDT, 10 September 2009 >>

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OmeN_ - Reply to #111

I t sucks hard. I smashed mine against the floor. The case starts to make weird noises after 2 weeks usage. The mouse doesn't feel solid

<< Comment #13 @ 23:08 CDT, 4 July 2009 >>

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poros1ty

how can you accuse someone of cheating... and not include a demo?

<< Comment #83 @ 12:25 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Liam - Reply to #13

Pretty easily.

<< Comment #159 @ 01:55 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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koekie - Reply to #83

Cheater!

<< Comment #15 @ 23:39 CDT, 4 July 2009 >>

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Kangdo

The game is in beta, you shouldn't care so much.

<< Comment #16 @ 23:42 CDT, 4 July 2009 >>

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linkoo - Reply to #15

It's pretty competitive with money tournaments and if this is the way to stop future cheaters so be it :P

<< Comment #23 @ 02:09 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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tRUMR

http://www.speedyshare.com/466614435.html]demo

real spooky at times wieving at timescale .5 from the 10-11 min mark :)
r_shownormals 1

I'm a noob yes and therefore no expert on the matter but there are some ;D bits

w/e judge for yourself.

<< Comment #19 @ 23:50 CDT, 4 July 2009 >>

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linkoo

http://www.speedyshare.com/466614435.html Here's one demo, watch through it all specially when I'm on the rail in the middle of the game that's pretty shaky but dno

Edited by kristjansson at 23:51 CDT, 4 July 2009

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tRUMR - Reply to #19

11:26 = :)

<< Comment #48 @ 07:51 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Malice - Reply to #22

That demo really proves nothing at all
Even I can aim like that

<< Comment #84 @ 12:29 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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tRUMR - Reply to #48

it's not suspicious w/o shownormals , it's only that he's semi-flicking and tracking for a split second there about the 11:26-11:27 mark, but where is the dude, oh yes in his crosshair :)

<< Comment #21 @ 02:08 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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acr0bat

That demo was REALLY suspicious...

<< Comment #20 @ 02:06 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Spart1e

yuka is nice, i like him. Sad to hear this....

<< Comment #25 @ 03:46 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #20

you also liked sombra

you seem to have a thing for cheaters :p

<< Comment #30 @ 04:28 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #25

you seem to have a thing for cheaters :p

So do I.

I call it "my fist".

Edited by Terifire at 10:58 CDT, 7 July 2009

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Anonymous (70.178.233.210) - Reply to #25

and zhu

<< Comment #24 @ 03:07 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Thanks spartie, atleast somebody normal i think he can tell you people that i dont cheat.. we played couple of nice games together.. in which our acc were similair.. maybe his were sometimes better!!! Thanks for posting a demo aswell, so people can see.. and there isnt anything wrong at the demo.. just normal play... .. sometimes i am bit nervous and therefor some shaky hand.. that aint nothing wrong

NOW chill and leave me alone people :)

regards, yuka.

<< Comment #27 @ 04:00 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Disrepute - Reply to #24

dont cheat

<< Comment #32 @ 04:55 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #24

your hand must've been shaky a lot in closed beta where I beat you easily. and I really suck at duel. silly cheater

<< Comment #38 @ 06:28 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (93.103.65.134) - Reply to #32

you beat me?haha okey sure! When i had 20 aim with broken mouse maybe and didnt give a shit playin some random nabs, otherwise you couldnt beat me ever mate . So stop making illusions. The demo is here to see and there is nothing unusuall or abnormal about it. If my hand shakes one time, so ? Send demo to syncerror then and see what he will tell you, silly wanker.

<< Comment #49 @ 07:53 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #38

so you were top class all along, you were just taking the piss, I GEDDIT! cheater

<< Comment #50 @ 07:56 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #38

SyncError couldn't tell that Hotsauce was cheating, the most blatant cheater ever.

<< Comment #388 @ 21:32 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Reyn1r - Reply to #50

Was this in ql? I've missed this one, any links to watch him?

<< Comment #96 @ 13:59 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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mammon - Reply to #38

wow, this guy has been here for what? 3 posts and he already managed to pick up the ESR antics. maybe he dont cheat afterall, maybe he is just a quick learner ;P

<< Comment #26 @ 03:58 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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cYmoZz

could you give the url to syncerror so maybe he can do smth about it?

<< Comment #28 @ 04:14 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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lolvc

i can atleast say that i also play for k1ck, i knew he was banned from clanbase for cheating in COD4 (and others it would seem lol) but i thought he was clean in quake live, however 2 weeks ago he suddenly went from bottom fragging every game.. to doing 12000 damage. Normally i top frag by a mile and even when he played with me in q4 he was a weak player (although a nice guy i must add).

But this game was very strange, it was my first game in about a month and he insisted i played bridge whilst he played rail (dm6) normally he was at ~30mg, and now he was out aiming me, and i'm all aim no brain so i couldn't work it out, it's just not possible to beat me. I mean, I don't play much atall but i could kinda tell something was up. But even so, it wasn't until i had several pm's a week later that i put it down to "more than luck" :)

I hope he stops before he's banned :) or maybe he's genuinely good? But imo he is cheating. If i could tell in 1 game, i do not even want to check his profile to see the others.

love nvc.

Edited by nVc at 06:51 CDT, 5 July 2009

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Anonymous (93.103.65.134) - Reply to #28

Msg to NVC -

i was banned from cod4 cb, caus of using a banned online key which i got around internet.. at the time it was an incedent with hackers able to ban anybody using particular commands, this was a known incedent and hundreds of people were banned at that time including myself if u dont believe me , google it. It was an PB exploit enable people to ban any particular player with a command. Besides i appealed to it on clanbase , and prooven to the admins that different IP then mine banned the key, prooves of this are on pbbans and evenbalance sites also i can send you my appeal mail if you want to check the facts.So check your facts straight please. I was also the only guy on the server (alone without any other players) while i got banned IN COD4. I am just unlucky i messed around with online keyz which were soon blacklisted..and i am not afraid to tell people about this as i dont feel ashamed for something i didnt do.

for ql part

I didnt do 12k dmg yet on ql only around 10-11k on my best games and those were not many so saying i go from doing 3000dmg to 12dmg every time is rlly bullshit, i had only little games and on them i had some of the quads, so dont lie and say shit .. my mg is not 43 .. but mostly 35-40. And i wasnt bottom fragging before aswell i was top fragging many times, even before with my old mouse i had games where my aim was close to 40, and done nice wins and scores.. i even beat YOU in duel and many other good players.. long before my aim got better so whats the deal? its just last few weeks when my mouse broken totally that my aim has gone so terrible down to 20-25 percentage and i couldnt play anmore,

And please let me remind you that even in quake4 that u like to mention, you never had better aim then me, nor you were ever aiming better in any procentage then me.This comming from a guy who never wanted to go lans, and quit playing quake4 caus he was too bad + u never had good aim in quake4 your aim was rather 30% and now in quakelive its always 40 etc, maybe i should open another thread for you? So this coments of yours are making me laugh and are coming from a guy who never was any good in any quake and dont make yourself illusions, we can paste our quake4 statistics here and we will see who had better aim, this coming from a clanm8 hurts me to see, and to be honest u better start looking for another team, caus i dont want you for a clanm8 anymore.

regards, yuka.

Edited by iniiiiiiii at 06:24 CDT, 5 July 2009

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tourist - Reply to #31

the only person "not caring" more than you is jamerio.

<< Comment #34 @ 05:04 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #31

Well i quit quake 4 because my internet was too bad for me to practice or play, even #cpmpickup want to ban me from the internet because i lag around the maps. Virgin media ftl.

<< Comment #45 @ 07:23 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #34

that's not the actual reason we want you banned

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skint - Reply to #45

=)

<< Comment #539 @ 14:57 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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ouzonen - Reply to #45

word :D

<< Comment #35 @ 05:06 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Disrepute - Reply to #31

Make an account

<< Comment #233 @ 09:51 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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suarve - Reply to #31

You sound like you live a full life and get out a lot.

<< Comment #29 @ 04:14 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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stripy

watched the demo, nothing.

btw from my experience playing vs yuka in q4 and ql, not once have i said "wow what a shot, must be a cheater" or smth like that.

somewhat OT:
since we are on the subject of cheating, i do see a increased activity with that in the future. so i sure hope that id forces everbalance to actually do smth this time around, unlike the other games under pb protection.

while most of esr are oldschool quakers, and play with ppl they know, it will prolly not be such a problem, but i think that it would be used among new players more and the other new players will be put of by it, and by quakelive then.

<< Comment #36 @ 05:09 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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tourist

I think we can expect walter to be top NA dueler soon.

<< Comment #681 @ 02:34 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #36

you are clueless. if you think i cheat than whatever but thinking that ql prevents or has prevented anyone besides complete idiots from cheating is plain delusional

<< Comment #688 @ 04:44 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #681

hence why I wrote the above post

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outlaw - Reply to #688

and why "soon" instead of "now" surely if i am cheating i would already be the premier QL NA dueler?

<< Comment #702 @ 07:28 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #701

now that is curious isn't it? you own so hard at every other game that's been there for years except for ql for which the cheats were only recently developed. I'm sure it's just coincidence tho.

<< Comment #709 @ 08:15 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #702

no its not. you just are not a part of the ql scene to know that i have beaten every notable player at every stage of qls history quite often though not consistently. this is because my actual practice time has dwindled significantly. ask rapha,, kgb, or anyone about what i can do in ql. next.

<< Comment #713 @ 08:19 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #709

"no its not."

thanks for clearing that up.

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outlaw - Reply to #713

I'm glad you would rather pick apart a semantic in a hasty 9am reply on ESR rather than try to pick apart the content of my posts, which seems to be flying right over your head. would love to see what you actually have to say about my rebuttal to your obviously pathetic argument but you are obviously too fucking stupid to even defend your trash

<< Comment #718 @ 08:35 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #716

maybe if you delete it and rewrite it for the 5th time it will make sense.

<< Comment #719 @ 08:37 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #718

what i say stands

<< Comment #722 @ 08:39 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #719

except when you decide to edit out all your posts to "." so people have harder time finding your cheat demos.

<< Comment #723 @ 08:41 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #722

way to go off subject. still waiting!

<< Comment #725 @ 08:45 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #723

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1717384#pid1717384

<< Comment #721 @ 08:38 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #718

quick, think of something you idiot. you surely do look fucking stupid at the moment

<< Comment #736 @ 10:17 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #721

to quote mash:

"He always does.

He always does."

<< Comment #745 @ 11:48 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #736

almost like defending every blatant cheater out there.

<< Comment #764 @ 02:11 CDT, 10 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #745

yes, almost but miraculously you manage to come across as way more stupid.
good job!

<< Comment #767 @ 03:27 CDT, 10 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #764

and btw my dad can beat your dad up.

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becks - Reply to #767

I'm sure he can, one of the few benefits of drunken brawler.

<< Comment #769 @ 04:18 CDT, 10 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #768

coming from a guy who took 15 years to finish university and has a beer nick. irony much?

<< Comment #770 @ 04:23 CDT, 10 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #769

you really are boring :(

At least vedic has some witty replies.

<< Comment #771 @ 04:29 CDT, 10 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #770

is that why you write me all those essays? you got some issues

<< Comment #776 @ 04:47 CDT, 10 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #771

was actually hoping for some witty opposition, not a schoolkid trying to write.

My bad :(

<< Comment #772 @ 04:31 CDT, 10 July 2009 >>

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c1 - Reply to #769

becks is so much more than a beer!
Its a legend, a religion and an attitude towards life.

<< Comment #773 @ 04:33 CDT, 10 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #772

agreed, 15 yrs of uni proves it.

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becks - Reply to #773

so you have to invent arguments already?

<< Comment #777 @ 04:52 CDT, 10 July 2009 >>

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c1 - Reply to #773

i am not speaking about the guy. I am speaking about a tradition...

<< Comment #782 @ 07:33 CDT, 10 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #777

here's a tradition
becks: attending uni since 1994

<< Comment #783 @ 07:57 CDT, 10 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #782

so I was admitted with 14.

thanks for the compliment, didn't know you think I'm that smart.

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ix - Reply to #783

In comparison to tourist we are all that smart.

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becks - Reply to #839

:P

<< Comment #711 @ 08:18 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #702

oh and i thought i would also point out that cheats have been out for ql for a long time. you are just an idiot. you could argue that that proves why i have been good in ql, but then again that would also require you to admit you were wrong with your first argument. doesn't matter anyway. you are just an arrogant troll who not only sits around moping on esr about stupid bullshit constantly, but would promptly be owned even by gillz if he ever started playing the game he so vehemently talks shit over

<< Comment #714 @ 08:20 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #711

napkin?

<< Comment #715 @ 08:26 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #714

nothing else to say? school closed.

<< Comment #724 @ 08:43 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #715

thanks for lessons mr dot, now I know everything I need to know about walls.

<< Comment #726 @ 08:49 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #724

ok, if it makes you happy ill respond to your off topic troll post.

I left that demo up there for over a year for everyone to see while they dissected it. I edited out ALL of my demos that i posted of myself recently for reasons other than "hiding cheats" if you can't grasp this than you have no brain. by the time i changed the title into dots it was getting perhaps one download per 2 weeks. i have nothing to hide and i never did

if you love the demo so much I suggest you re-upload and major it so that everyone can enjoy it again. otherwise please address the argument at hand. o fuck it. just look more like a pussy for not owning up to what you said. whatever floats your boat!

/me patiently awaits a real response to the original subject matter

<< Comment #727 @ 08:52 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #726

it makes me very happy ty

<< Comment #728 @ 08:53 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #727

ignorance is bliss.

<< Comment #741 @ 10:53 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #728

cheaters writing essays always puts a smile on my face

<< Comment #733 @ 09:35 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #726

Actually, I changed it back to the proper name two days ago, yet you changed it back to oblivion yet again today.

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outlaw - Reply to #733

if you want to repost the demo be my guest. don't edit my demos though

<< Comment #762 @ 14:28 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #761

done

<< Comment #843 @ 20:03 CDT, 15 July 2009 >>

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waIter - Reply to #762

walter, still cheating around?)

<< Comment #845 @ 03:23 CDT, 16 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #843

too poor to buy new ql cheats, but he's saving up.

<< Comment #799 @ 08:03 CDT, 11 July 2009 >>

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MaNi_DaDuDe - Reply to #36

Lol, walter is pro :o

<< Comment #39 @ 06:28 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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I dont care if people call me a cheater, only means to me that i must be playing good since so many people are thinking such stuff i feel flattered. And to be honest this is my last comment in this thread.

What i care for is lies and so called biased facts brought up by some of the people who are tryin to make things look like i went from zero to hero, and make people believe in such things , and saying things that arent really true, and i feel i got the right to defend myself against it.

In reality my aim went up for 5-10% , and now some of you are crying here about it, meanwhile there are atleast 10 people on ql who have much better aim 10 times more suspoicious play , and nobody makes threads about em. Right counterwise the author of this thread calls one of them a pro (blanka) , and tbh i feelt many times playin vs him that he has a wallhack.

Now i am out of this thread, have fun sayin shit about me :) Hope you enjoy it!!

Peace out , yuka "the so called cheater" :)

<< Comment #42 @ 06:31 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #39

You shouldn't take it as a compliment, it means people think and thought you were total shit but now hit bullshit shots constantly.

<< Comment #64 @ 10:26 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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hnns - Reply to #39

Just post your POV demos, simple.

<< Comment #37 @ 05:28 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Terifire

Yuka is right that there was a PB exploit.

Punkbuster goes through memory to search for specific strings of data injected into the game by a cheat.

Cheatcoders found out that if you have IRC open, a person was playing (running the punkbuster client), and they'd paste a certain string of text on IRC, punkbuster would also see it as a cheat.

<< Comment #215 @ 08:36 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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link - Reply to #37

given you use logs?

<< Comment #228 @ 09:12 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #215

Not sure, but I don't think so.

<< Comment #236 @ 09:55 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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link - Reply to #228

there used to be an 'exploit' for norton anti-virus aswell that if you typed a string of code inside some channel everyone would get ping timeout since norton killed the process. this was fixed if you removed logging iirc.. maybe this works differently.

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zealot - Reply to #236

ye, same thing with pb.

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strenx

:D stop a little, it's friendly game I totally don't care to lose on friendly game, I test quake live, I have already raped yuka me too and I don't care really.

<< Comment #53 @ 08:10 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (208.53.157.19) - Reply to #40

This isn't even about you. Even if you're not playing well it doesn't explain the other games vs players who are.

Jeez, get over yourself already.

Edited by iniiiiiiii at 08:25 CDT, 5 July 2009

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Anonymous (208.53.157.19)

That demo is worthless, the only question it raises is: "how could the player in that demo beat *any* decent dueler, nevermind some of the best"

Poor movement
Poor aim technique and loads of misses
Beats Spartie etc.

.. how?

<< Comment #43 @ 06:45 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Silencep

yuka doesnt cheat =[

<< Comment #56 @ 08:41 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #43

Yes he does! he has 46% shaft!111

<< Comment #65 @ 10:29 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Silencep - Reply to #56

who doesnt in ql..=/

<< Comment #69 @ 10:48 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #65

Sarcasm detector broken?

<< Comment #44 @ 06:47 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM

he was caught cheating on COD4 aswell? So far in three different games?

this is just lol

Sorry my friend, I know u were always very friendly to me, but if you cheat then please stop it cos this is pretty lame.

And I didnt judge you, perhaps you becom a pro player with a different mouse. I just gave some strange fackts which can people think. And I wanted thoughts from the people...

I feel sorry if you are not cheating and hopefully you will prove that at some lans. With your "skill". Now you can surely go to QCon and show there your skills at lan.

After all I still belive in this: "A cheater, always a cheater".

Edited by CAREEM at 06:49 CDT, 5 July 2009

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Anonymous (ip-8.net-81-220-98.nantes.rev.numericable.fr) - Reply to #44

This guy is really suspect too :

http://www.quakelive.com/#profile/summary/burnedd

What do you think ?.

<< Comment #54 @ 08:26 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #52

lol he played 19 duels (19 games in total), 19 games against newbs. You can see here at stats that he is playing only for stats. The reason why is he playing newbs.

<< Comment #46 @ 07:30 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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rockz '

have the same problems also in q4...

<< Comment #697 @ 06:19 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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zuphrin - Reply to #46

joni... ? 8)

<< Comment #51 @ 08:09 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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semtex

Yuka was playing q4 long time before and always was a solid player there. In tdm and ctf .. hitting high acc and he had nice movement. There was never any weird moments there.. so hes definatly no noob that suddenly magically learned to aim..

Its pretty sad to see such accusations without any real proof. :S

<< Comment #55 @ 08:39 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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koOma

LEAVE YUKA ALONE!! HE'S A PERSON!!

<< Comment #57 @ 08:44 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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phz

Hmm, there is one easy way to figure this out. Have him fire one rail at Chance...

:)

Edited by phz at 08:44 CDT, 5 July 2009

35%

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kaliberr44 - Reply to #57

Only one shot from rail needed, and our profesor Chance will know everything ....

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ashr - Reply to #57

win

<< Comment #58 @ 08:50 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Aaron

it's cooller!

Edited by Aaron at 13:53 CDT, 5 July 2009

<< Comment #59 @ 09:07 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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riske_of_h8

obv linkin playing.

<< Comment #60 @ 09:10 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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filo

... no demo no proof.

Edited by filo at 09:12 CDT, 5 July 2009

<< Comment #61 @ 09:21 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #60

yeah true

Maybe we discovered another talented player.

Edited by CAREEM at 09:29 CDT, 5 July 2009

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Anonymous (90-230-221-41-no73.tbcn.telia.com)

Is this the same Yuka who played Q2 and lived in Norway at that time?
/sackmajsnejbel

<< Comment #63 @ 10:24 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #62

dont think so. he was caught on slovenian scene, slovenian servers

Edited by CAREEM at 10:25 CDT, 5 July 2009

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LoCK - Reply to #62

You're thinking of [CA]YukataN right? =) Clan Armageddon was an awsome team.

<< Comment #102 @ 15:13 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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sackmajsnejbel - Reply to #76

Yes I did=)

<< Comment #194 @ 06:17 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #76

Aye, I used to play in CA as well :)

<< Comment #66 @ 10:39 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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mkeiy

haha at sad faggots

<< Comment #67 @ 10:40 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Heartlesss

Yuka doesn't cheat.
Yuka is a tard.
nvc is no brain, no aim.
CAREEM is paranoid.
Americans are paranoid (LOL Loose change, LOL UFO, LOL Walter).
Spart1e is all rail.
Pro players =/= pro players.
QL community = CS community.
Cheating in CoD4, LOL, do you really need cheats in that noob game ?
7-7-7 shaft pls.

Fixed.

<< Comment #68 @ 10:43 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #67

you're french, your servers suck.

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Terifire - Reply to #68

yeye keep blaming the servers!

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lolograde ' - Reply to #67

wsw is for fags

/thread

<< Comment #309 @ 13:18 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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hemostick - Reply to #150

Oh snap!

<< Comment #707 @ 07:58 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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eThaD - Reply to #67

Spart1e is all mg

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Heartlesss - Reply to #707

all = all mg.

<< Comment #71 @ 11:20 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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ifrit

just fyi
atm you cant really detect a cheater so easy with a demo. there is a hack with human like aiming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3mDn0-qfuw

<< Comment #72 @ 11:26 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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cYmoZz - Reply to #71

that is pretty scary :(

<< Comment #73 @ 11:50 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Heartlesss - Reply to #72

lol are u kidding, the guy's aim is like bot on bring it on...

<< Comment #74 @ 11:56 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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cYmoZz - Reply to #73

I have no experience in such things, but for me this aim looks like a human even though it has it weird scenes (but human aim has its weird scenes, too)

Edited by cYmoZz at 11:57 CDT, 5 July 2009

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Terifire - Reply to #74

Humanized aim has been arround for years, and it's the most frustrating thing to encounter as it's hard to proof.

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Heartlesss - Reply to #74

what i meant is that any average player can aim better than this.

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ifrit - Reply to #93

yes that guy has not the best aim in the video with cheats. But maybe its configurable in precision. also dont forget that the movement of that guy is shit and so on. im sure a more skilled player could pull out much better aim trough positioning and movement.

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Heartlesss - Reply to #105

But maybe its configurable in precision

Yes it is, but if you do it, it becomes more and more suspicious, like bots @ nightmare.

also dont forget that the movement of that guy is shit and so on. im sure a more skilled player could pull out much better aim trough positioning and movement.

Yeah true, but still, it would only works against not so skilled players. I mean, 90%
of the time, players with decent movements & positioning knowledge still get better
aim than this hack. I mean, aim is something that comes along with movement,
at least if you don't play defrag only ;).

Anyway that's still a hack ;D, not good for the game.

Edited by He4rTL3sS at 17:36 CDT, 5 July 2009

<< Comment #75 @ 11:56 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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wata - Reply to #71

don't worry PB is here

easy to detect a cheater btw : they usually can't strafe jump for shit

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Terifire - Reply to #75

easy to detect a cheater btw : they usually can't strafe jump for shit

Why is that? Because they are supposedly inexperienced?

Sombra cheated.

<< Comment #86 @ 12:42 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #75

easy to detect an esr user btw : they usually can't troll for shit

<< Comment #78 @ 12:11 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #71

It's a bug.

<< Comment #80 @ 12:12 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #71

yeah, hopefully those hacks will be banned.

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v1ze - Reply to #71

the best part about this video is how fucked up the real hitbox is compared to the model

:D

Edited by v1ze at 14:10 CDT, 6 July 2009

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MassMan - Reply to #316

you=clueless

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v1ze - Reply to #570

you=mondo burrito

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Underwhelmed - Reply to #71

On my first viewing, I spotted two parts that gave the aimbot away. You can keep tweaking aimbots, but eventually user incompetence will give them away.

<< Comment #82 @ 12:16 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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no_il

So yuka, are the accusations of you cheating in quake2/cs/etc legitimate?

If they are it sort of puts things in a diffrent perspective....

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ini - Reply to #82

He "saw what they looked like"

<< Comment #85 @ 12:32 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Liam

I don't know if he cheated, but I do know the majority of people posting in this thread are fucking retarded (including yuka).

<< Comment #87 @ 12:59 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #85

welcome to the club annoying ntf flag runner guy

Edited by nVc at 12:59 CDT, 5 July 2009

<< Comment #94 @ 13:43 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Liam - Reply to #87

How the fuck did you find out my real name?

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xou - Reply to #85

I'm in!!! : ]

<< Comment #89 @ 13:06 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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rax-

Let us not forget that Hotsauceq4 was clearly cheating yet there was absolutely nothing bot-like in appearance about him(even SyncError failed to see any cheating), despite having ~50lg and 60rg (and a few weeks later 80rg). It was things like his age, ~40-50, his poor movement and his general lack of gameplay that really didn't match his zero to hero rise and inhuman reaction times with railgun.

Wallhack/autofire would be pretty easy to cover up, as already proven by Sombra, as long as you're not stupid with it.

I'm not saying Yuka is or isn't a cheat but when you look at certain parts of the 2 demo's there are some dodgy moments (dm6 in particular) but I think you could find that in any demo if you looked hard enough. Still, at around 9mins on dm6 there are some ropey shots and at 13:58 he stops, for no apparent reason, and then starts to do some dodgy stuff, including hiding on spawn from an enemy you can only see on shownormals (you can't even hear him) but it could have been precaution.

When you consider Yuka's success (or lack of) in other games and the apparent cheating in his time, it doesn't take much to put that together with the sudden results he has been achieving since buying a new/replacement 'mouse'.

Ultimately, I can't see any sure sign of a cheat in the demos and it's his results lately that make me unsure about him. Yuka is, quite visably (movement, awareness etc.), not up to the same standard as good-top players, so it doesn't add up when he beats them. Fluke results? Time will tell.

Edited by rax- at 13:08 CDT, 5 July 2009

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retire - Reply to #89

I believe yuka doesn't cheat. Maybe he did in CS when he was younger, but it seems like these accusations are false shit that come from an envious fellow-countryman and a bunch of trolls on ESR.

yuka was a top 5 player in q4 ctf and he has quite a dedication to QL now that Q4 is over. I would never believe yuka to be a cheater unless there was solid evidence.

It's pathetic that known ppl in the community are just agreeing with whatever is said without putting any thought into the evidence given, just assuming that a no-name player can't improve very quickly. maybe he changed sensitivity and got some advice from some good players, watched demos, changed his aim technique, style or maybe even his mouse was broken as he said. It's just very sad to me that even known players in the community who are respected can't get over their own egos and accept when someone edges ahead of them.

<< Comment #92 @ 13:31 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #91

http://www.quakelive.com/#profile/matches/yuk...04/Tourney

i assume you did not look at that

<< Comment #97 @ 14:02 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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retire - Reply to #92

Any good player can have a good day or good aim in one game. These stats are perfectly possible and show nothing. If it showed 80percent shaft or something ridiculous then sure its a bit more suspicious, but even that's possible with only a few shots or choosing to only use the weapon when you have a perfect situation. These stats don't even show shots fired.

How would you feel if you worked hard to improve and then suddenly a mob accused you of cheating, hating you for something you know you haven't even done? This game is about skill and respect and it seems a few in this community don't have much integrity. Whether or not it's out of jealousy or carelessness or whatever else, cheat accusations without real proof or thought is simply bad sportsmanship and highly disrespectful.

edit: Innocent until proven guilty.

Edited by diabz at 14:04 CDT, 5 July 2009

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ini - Reply to #97

Well, that's the thing isn't it, nobody can proove anybody is cheating in an online game unless they do something insanely stupid like Sombra.

Yuka hasn't gradually increased in ability over the past few months, he has has done so rather suddenly. Lets not make this about aim percentages, if I had a hack like the one in that video but without aimbot/autofire I'd still improve drastically in many aspects (reading of the game, timing, positioning and aim).

Quake4 did not have a highly skilled community for the most part and I'm sorry I need to reveal this truth to you.

Also, there's been a lot of discussion about this by a lot of people (this isn't just an esr thing) and many more people believe he does, including people who have and do play with the guy.

<< Comment #100 @ 14:32 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #99

It was a similar situation with SATAN a few years back.

Shady history, sudden improvement, strange shots and decision making.

Heck, Sombra even fits the sudden improvement really but as he was LAN/Top game experienced everyone just assumed he was working hard.

<< Comment #113 @ 17:41 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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zealot - Reply to #100

satan hacked for years though he simply wasn't known outside of .de :d

<< Comment #151 @ 23:26 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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efassd - Reply to #99

With that hitbox thing alone, I think my aim would increase 10%.

<< Comment #95 @ 13:52 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #91

?

<< Comment #101 @ 14:39 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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rax- - Reply to #91

Please don't imply that I'm being unfair, I personally recruited Yuka into my TDM team when k1ck.ql folded (for a few months) and have been good friends with him for a long time.

I didn't just start believing what everybody is saying, I looked into things myself and, as my post states, I can't say whether or not he is cheating. I simply stated that it's quite strange to improve so much, in so little time, that you don't just edge beyond some of the unknown scrubs but to beating such names as spartie.

Dm6 demo for anyone interested: http://www.dkirk.ukfsn.org/demos/plasa2.dm_73

<< Comment #107 @ 16:53 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Malice - Reply to #101

Figured this might be a good opportunity to test my vid capturing/editing skills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4OCmYunMvc

<< Comment #123 @ 18:31 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (93.103.65.134) - Reply to #107

those shoots were just reflex shoots with bad prediction.. in how many demos you could find same thing.. but they do look weird i admit when u look at them from this kindof view .. you could make that for every second demo people would send and i bet you would find simialir things, i take alot of random shoots sometimes i miss other times.i hit , that dont mean i am cheating.

but your editing skillz are ok :)

<< Comment #141 @ 21:17 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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hazrd - Reply to #123

but they do look weird i admit when u look at them from this kindof view <--- true, its your POV

<< Comment #110 @ 17:24 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #107

Could you also add it in slow motion zoomed in, as to show exactly how his crosshair was on the target?

<< Comment #116 @ 18:01 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Malice - Reply to #110

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i8TlBjWvbM

18%

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vedic - Reply to #116

Yeah, that's pretty suspicious.

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Anonymous (93.103.65.134) - Reply to #117

yeh i agree it looks very suspicious when u look at it that way, but honestly i just took a bad reflex shoot, which happens to look that way.. i think in any demo you could find such stuff if you wanted and it doesent really mean shit. I was tryin to hit enemy that my mate was shooting, caus i tought he is right beside that wall and didnt determin the exact prediction as i was tryin to make a quick reflex shoot..i missed alot and hit the wall, happens to be he moved behind that wall,i wasnt aware of this when i took the shoot.Its nothing rlly hack about it.. just happen to look like it but its really a bad missed reflext shot.

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vedic - Reply to #121

It doesn't happen in just any demo, and finding even more than one instance of it happening from one player would be difficult, at best.

You said you were leaving this thread, yet you're still here defending yourself at every turn. Caring this much about what some people say on a site that you don't even have an account for really helps your case.

<< Comment #146 @ 22:07 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Reyn1r - Reply to #128

I looked at my own demo of this game using shownormals and these things happen. I tried leading a rl shot at an enemy that was going behind a wall, ofcourse shooting the wall. 2 minutes later I rail the corner of a wall where the enemy just walked. In neither case was the crosshair on the enemy like in this yuka video.. but it could've very well happened like that. These are 2 incidents in the first demo I watch for this kind of thing.
There still is that RA jumppad rail though.. dunno what's going on there.

Also, I don't see how him answering this thread, his lack of an account or his care level has affected his case.

<< Comment #149 @ 22:29 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #146

Provide demo?

Responding so vehemently to claims on a site he obviously does not interact with is somewhat suspicious. Additionally, claiming that he was done and then returning to defend himself would seem to point that he was starting to feel the heat.

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becks - Reply to #149

can you please just use real arguments instead of these witchhunt type accusations?

I mean attacking someone one the ground that he doesn't ignore accusations and tries to defend himself is sooo medieval.

Not saying he's innocent or anything, btw!

<< Comment #162 @ 03:07 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #161

Nope, sure can't. Refer issues with it here: <3

<< Comment #163 @ 03:21 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #162

you are an ignorant fool with the intelligence of an average jellyfish.

If you don't reply to this I'll just assume you agree. If you try to defend yourself, that obviously proves you care which means you know I'm right.

<< Comment #164 @ 03:27 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #163

Option 3: lol@rage

<< Comment #166 @ 03:35 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #164

so that proves it!

<< Comment #209 @ 07:43 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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ear - Reply to #146

He does have an account

<< Comment #219 @ 08:43 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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link - Reply to #128

if someone were to check my demos out i promise you that would happen every 5 mins, maybe not with rails but with rockets and stuff.

i've seen demos with myself with shownormals on and ive aimed dead center on people without even knowing it.

this thread is filled with paranoia.

<< Comment #224 @ 08:52 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #219

sif I would believe that you could play quake.

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ini - Reply to #219

I dunno, I just watched the ch vs 2.0 demos with show normals on, the only time anything even close to these yuka moments that happened in 40minutes was right at the start of dm6 where noctis (I think) had his crosshair on some guy standing at rail (noctis is on GL).

But even then it's clear this was coincidence since it doesn't happen again and he adjusts to a more normal position before firing his MG at rail.

I expect this is what I would find if I watched the other TDM demos on here (reason vs d? and LLL vs TX).

<< Comment #235 @ 09:54 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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link - Reply to #225

maybe i have built in cheats without knowing it. like a sixth sense!!

<< Comment #243 @ 10:16 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #235

Perhaps you're seeing things that aren't really the same? :D

<< Comment #270 @ 11:31 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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link - Reply to #243

what you're saying is more likely.

however i would not be suprised if i were accused of cheating because these random things DO happen. i fire rockets with wild guesses and hit people straight in the face, with shownormals it looks very suspicious. i dont know if i could defend myself if i got accused :-)

<< Comment #537 @ 14:50 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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light - Reply to #270

i've seen you play, honestly you're crap, no teamplay, no brain, no aim. Ruined our game in playoffs vs. Sweden, not once, but twice. The only weird about your demos is how you never really improves?!!?!?!?!?! :D Also when you're not ruining our games coming with weird timezone excuses, missed flights and shit wtf? :p

<< Comment #542 @ 15:17 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #537

you know you're talking to the swedish link, don't you?

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link - Reply to #542

inside joke m8

<< Comment #545 @ 16:09 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #544

thought so. but you never know.

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ix - Reply to #219

People always say this, show us a demo of yours with moments like that every 5 minutes.

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link - Reply to #501

uhm. maybe not every 5 minutes but it does happen. the frag i do on vo0 in "soon" for example. wild prediction rocket from my side but if you look at it with shownormals it looks very dodgy 8). i very often think "man im glad there's no spectators" when i play pickup because it looks so dodgy. i've got some spare time nowadays i might play some and send you a demo when stuff happens.

wall of text !!11

<< Comment #517 @ 11:52 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #506

I bet you won't find much stuff that really does look suspicious, spam rockets are spam rockets.

Spam rails at odd angles and constant correct calls with no true information to base things on is.

<< Comment #521 @ 12:19 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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ix - Reply to #506

Look through a demo and find spots like that, legit players very rarely look suspect like that, even for prediction shots.

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tourist - Reply to #506

here's a complete list of demo times where legit players make shots like yuka/walter:

<< Comment #349 @ 16:39 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #117

even i do that at times and i suck :(

<< Comment #139 @ 20:57 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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tRUMR - Reply to #116

http://www.speedyshare.com/487325995.html

More dodgy stuff, will edit in youtube when it gets there but w/e it's 30 mb.

<< Comment #143 @ 21:31 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #139

soundtrack $$$

<< Comment #156 @ 01:23 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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tRUMR - Reply to #143

failed on the ingame sound while frapsing, couldn't be bothered to do it again :) Gave some ridic music to chose alongside the silence.

Know it's far from anything even close to conclusive it's just that the demo is like 1-2 of those things per minute. Things where it looks like he's reacting and even aiming at someone or tracking behind a wall.

90% of the stuff isn't even close to bad but just comes into question as well, seeing the other 10% that is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzWLrk_9V0A
youtube off the same

<< Comment #157 @ 01:30 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #156

1:11 was pretty damn dodgy.

<< Comment #373 @ 17:47 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #157

that's not dodgy. that's fucking obvious.

<< Comment #795 @ 06:53 CDT, 11 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (216-15-124-251.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) - Reply to #157

You're a fucking SC player, what do you know? If you actually knew anything you would understand @ 1:11 the enemy is strafe jumping wildly into the room. What do we quakers do when we here somebody running into a room with reckless abandon? We blast their shit.

<< Comment #807 @ 01:03 CDT, 12 July 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #795

I used to play Quake, fyi! In fact, if you played, you'd have noticed that his mouse didn't just jump to get prepared to fire at him, it traced to a position that was seeking where his momentum was carrying him (even though it was abnormal for an approach to the door!).

This is clearly out of your league. Go play some bots.

Edited by Vedic at 01:03 CDT, 12 July 2009

<< Comment #144 @ 21:37 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #139

confirmed

<< Comment #147 @ 22:08 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Reyn1r - Reply to #139

Sorry, not much in that one. :P

<< Comment #145 @ 21:48 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Reyn1r - Reply to #116

Never mind the wall rail, would you look at that dodging and awareness. I'm impressed.

<< Comment #155 @ 01:22 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (pD9590C6B.dip.t-dialin.net) - Reply to #116

hahahaha

<< Comment #450 @ 07:27 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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raithza - Reply to #116

talk about "i could tell from one shot" :/

<< Comment #115 @ 18:01 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #107

and then there came yuka part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuGiot01S9c&feature=related

<< Comment #181 @ 05:01 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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unihumi - Reply to #115

that one proves it. Definitely cheating, no doubt about it.

�: Just look at the dodgy movement starting from 0:31

Edited by unHuman at 05:02 CDT, 6 July 2009

<< Comment #118 @ 18:16 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #107

hmm...
#1 - quad+lg: he heard someone coming from sg and spammed with his lg. he doesnt even he hit so well. everyday stuff
#2: wall rail: he was strafing around the wall and just did a quick shot as soon as he could. you have these rail wall hits so often and im sure that half of the the time your on the enemy
#3 - ya: the first few shots were fine imho, the last hit into the wall looked weird though

<< Comment #119 @ 18:29 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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zealot - Reply to #107

cut and paste from irc :d

a) rail->bridge
this does happen to me aswell but when i miss i hit the edge of the wall not exactly the enemymodel behind the wall way right from the edge. makes you look bad.

b) 2nd floor->ra
if i'm not completely missing something when he fires the first rail he couldn't see or hear that guy? i know prediction is everything but i wouldn't go so far to randomly shoot rails towards ra jp. also he misses the shot by aiming too low too early not how it is usually done iirc (delaying the shot and aiming a little higher).

c) 2ndfloor->ra
now he knows for sure there's atleast one enemy at ra why doesn't he set up a shot to catch him when he goes for 50h/rl? instead he waits for the second enemy to go from rl to ra and rails him.

d) last part
he aims at a corpse way behind a wall. i know i sometimes do this on accident but it needs quite some coincidence to hit the model.

still... all of this can be explained in one way or the other.

[edit: refers to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4OCmYunMvc ]

Edited by zealot at 05:23 CDT, 6 July 2009

<< Comment #120 @ 18:30 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Malice - Reply to #119

and that's obviously the problem with these "human like" bots... who knows

<< Comment #125 @ 18:35 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #119

B is the most suspicious I think.

<< Comment #755 @ 13:01 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #125

b solves it, he's actually tracking the guy trough the wall. I'm sure becks will find a perfectly fine explanation for it tho.

<< Comment #126 @ 18:36 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #107

nice vid, that is definately dodgy stuff right there. He couldnt even see him, but perhaps thats just with the demo recording...

<< Comment #677 @ 01:13 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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ashr - Reply to #89

hahaha, the irony of citing Sombra as an example of how to cover up a wallhack is hilarious.

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rax- - Reply to #677

How is it ironic?

<< Comment #738 @ 10:27 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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ashr - Reply to #687

because of how he owned himself :) i'm not trying to take a dig at you.

<< Comment #756 @ 13:13 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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rax- - Reply to #738

I'll give you that - haha

<< Comment #90 @ 13:17 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Ryan2015

Who gives a shit

<< Comment #98 @ 14:04 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Aaron

i cheated in cs
ra3
q2

damn :<

<< Comment #133 @ 19:24 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Liam - Reply to #98

q2 I don't know about but I don't see why anyone would cheat in CS or RA3, there's just far far better ways to piss people off. In RA3 me and a friend used to void team mates all the time on ra3map11 and then trick everyone in to kicking all (probably the best way was to use the name "AIL" and then call a vote to kick AlL (uppercase i and lowercase L look exactly the same in Q3's font).

As for CS... you just need the community to keep doing what they do really... me and demu were on a CSS server the other day and it had punishments for people who teamkill... one of them was a bomb, so we just tricked someone in to killing us, left the punishment screen open and then exploded our entire team at spawn (it protects you from the blast as well, so it was only me and him alive)

Cheating is for unimaginative pussies.

Edited by Liam at 19:25 CDT, 5 July 2009

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ini - Reply to #133

That CS story is brilliant.

<< Comment #137 @ 20:42 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #133

niiiice

ra3 was just no rocket smoke pak files :(

q2 was young an immature!!! now I'm old and immature, powpowpow, hacked maps and spikes in that

cs was just everything to rage people :D

<< Comment #220 @ 08:44 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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link - Reply to #137

raging cs kids might have been the most fun thing i've done in a computer game.

<< Comment #140 @ 21:11 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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stuntz - Reply to #98

for sympathy to a cause i cheated on my last uni exam :(

<< Comment #142 @ 21:29 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #140

never felt like cheating in an exam

although I've always gone with revision notes stored on my phone which can be checked at any time with a trip to the toilet

could never do it =[

<< Comment #103 @ 15:21 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM

I just remembered something. Yuka said at few posts already that he had a problem with a mouse. Before Slovenian tournament he said that he will sold a mouse / give away (in case if he win). All what he wanted to have were new head phones or a mouse pad at the tournament. Imo HE really didn't want a new mouse ~2 months ago.

I saw the conversation between tourist and him. They were talking about how tourist beatd him in CLOSED BETA. Yuka said that he had a broken mouse back then and this was the reason why he beated him. He had broken mouse while he played tourist and then he fixed it. 2/3 weeks ago he got broken mouse again or what? Or dunno because at the tournament he reaaaaaaaalllly didnt want to have another new mouse. He even asked me if I wanna have a mouse if he wins.

How come he bought the new one now? Besides there is still a new gaming mouse waiting for him.

I think I still have logs. If the old ATA disk will work then I'm gonna post em here.

Edited by CAREEM at 15:28 CDT, 5 July 2009

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Anonymous (93.103.65.134) - Reply to #103

mouse was acting rlly weird sometimes it would work ok but the other times it would start to bug and move uncontrolable,sooner or later i got used to it and didnt care, before slo tournament i tought that it might be my wore out mousepad which i was using for around 4 years , but since i won myself a new mousepad on Slo tournament i tought it will solve my problems. But when i tried the problems later again shown up , and it become worse at higher pulls and longer games etc.. untill mouse stopped moving at some point.But i dont like mx518 its too big for my hand, i rather bought myself a smaller mouse which fits me better, i mean is that a crime?

now what dont you understand? The fact is that the mouse is not makin me play better, and it isnt even special mouse whatever the fact is that this mouse is working properly , and previous one wasnt.I always liked the shape of it. But try playin on mouse that is not well responsive and has problems with skipping all the time all of sudden and you will know about. And i suspect that it was damaged from the box by delivery, i had it since start of ql and even bit before.

i dont have to defend myself because i am not guilty of anything, anybody can write anything they like about its afterall free discussion site. but if somebody ask some stuff which is total bullshit i will explain him. thats it.

peace.

<< Comment #252 @ 10:24 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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suarve - Reply to #103

Totally off topic, you really really need to get out more. You posts are scary.

<< Comment #104 @ 15:52 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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neb

the obvious sign that he's a cheater is the fact that he's trying to defend himself on esr..

<< Comment #114 @ 17:57 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #104

indeed.

<< Comment #169 @ 04:11 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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crack - Reply to #104

who are you? a psychologist?

<< Comment #577 @ 05:27 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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MarzenGold - Reply to #169

are you on crack?

<< Comment #108 @ 17:12 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (cust133-dsl93-89-130.idnet.net)

I think perhaps the k1ck.ql team leader Eden should perhaps post here given that he is probably reading all this anyway.

Perhaps he should comment on how even he himself felt Yukas play had changed dramatically over the course of a few days with the new "mouse" which apperently came with increased aim and teamplay.

Well with said hacks ones teamplay would naturally become better, less to have to concentrate on after all.

Cheated in call of duty 4?
cheated in cs?
cheated in q2?

Can you see how this some what tarnishes any hope of legitimate reputation you would hope to have in quakelive when you suddenly go from zero to hero with the magical new mouse.

In my opinon all people have the capacity to cheat,but some peoples personality's and instabilitys lead to the chances of being more prone to doing so and I would say from knowing yuka online he has this capacity.

<< Comment #109 @ 17:22 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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spartaz0rd

Honestly his stats vs spartie are nothing epic...i achieved even better stats vs people of his level...still noone accused me of cheating but if u want i m here :D

EDIT:i watched the youtube video and i must say that its pretty wierd..

Edited by spartaz0rd at 17:33 CDT, 5 July 2009

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Anonymous (93.103.65.134) - Reply to #109

indeed, calling somebody from zero to hero just caus he has abit better aim atm is talking shit, I am not some total pro by your weird imagination if i happen to have some good games sometimes playing vs good people on pcw on 1 map doesent mean i am some super pro now, i got avg accuracy and brain play. I also lost alot of games vs those people several thimes, and lost with bigger accuracy number then they have,.. i am no hero or super player if i play sometimes close vs good people. Besides that i was playin strenx today and many people who are posting here were spectating the games.. including nvc, silencep etc.. and people specing me can confirm i didnt hack.

So who ever you are just caus u dont believe in my ability to aim ok if i got proper working mouse dont mean i hack. Besides my aim didnt increase only in quakelive, you can come join me in quake4 and you will see my accuracy increased by same margine as in ql, so what you saying now i cheat in both games?

Have a nice night.

<< Comment #132 @ 19:19 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Silencep - Reply to #122

Yes he didnt hacked and btw vuduu says hi :D

<< Comment #180 @ 04:56 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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spartaz0rd - Reply to #122

god i said that ihmo u dont hack ....just said that some youtube hits are a bit weird.

<< Comment #124 @ 18:31 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #109

Because the statistics don't mean anything if you have a cheat.

<< Comment #129 @ 18:43 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #124

So true, you can easily fake it. But still... who knows, maybe a mouse was for him like for popeye spinach.

<< Comment #127 @ 18:38 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #109

you have to be good for people to accuse you mate

safetysmiley coming up -> :D

<< Comment #160 @ 02:35 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #109

you might have had the same stats, but you usually get raped and don't win...

<< Comment #130 @ 18:57 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (h156050.upc-h.chello.nl)

Hey guys, you do realise that you are seriously debating if a person you have never met, seen or probably spoken too cheats. FML o wait FYL

<< Comment #275 @ 11:37 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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apoxic - Reply to #130

Hey Anon.

Bye Anon.

<< Comment #131 @ 18:58 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Lethe

necete na more jeben vas u oko

<< Comment #135 @ 20:10 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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linkoo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4OCmYunMvc

This is as convincing as it can get and btw I was on the receiving end of that game and I remember those shots, there are even more in that demo, first game btw we won by 50frags. Told Reyn1r afterwords that this is definately a hacker thanks to tRUMRR for speccing & recording \o/

<< Comment #136 @ 20:41 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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Silencep - Reply to #135

paranoid

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rax- - Reply to #136

Shadap

<< Comment #152 @ 23:44 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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zkyp

Hello there famous QL Duel spectator and "analyzer",

I have some strange facts which can make you think that he is really cheating.
Yes, "FACTS". :D

* He was caught cheating in two different games already.
According to him he got banned because of a bug (like 1000 others) and got unbanned after, who has his facts right?

* He is keep telling to every one that he bought brand new mouse. But why would he buy a new mouse since he won a mouse (mx518) in Slovenian tournament. A mouse is still waiting there for him.
Yes, this is such an awesome "fact". Besides the fact that the mx518 is a mouse for retards, there are a dozen of reasons for not picking up a dumb mouse somewhere. ps - "he keeps telling everyone".

* He had accuracy against the avarage players 2-3 weeks ago like 18-33% in total. He was also beaten / raped by every second avarage player. And now he have accuracy against pro players (strenx, spartie, blanka and bodzo) like 45-58% in total, and he beated / raped them aswell (raped bodzo / blanka and strenx for more then 15-20frg difference few times).
We all know "stats" are discussed in #care, might look dodgy on paper but maybe he just plays for stats now by not pre-firing when he hears people, maybe he just had a good game and played a lot BUT YES, MAYBE AN AIMBOT!!. I thought you were saying he had a wallhack, now an aimbot aswell?
QL publics are QL publics. In the end you just can't judge people's performance on random FFA duel, you never know under what circumstances people are playing. Not everyone has the need to /nick $nick^DRUNK^NEWCFG^MP3^NOPENIS.

And now to the youtube video's. Wow! A whole 2 video's! And wow, they are of the same railshot. Amazing! Yes, the shot looks fucking dodgy but what doesn't with this see-through-stuff on? I've seen loads of top players doing such shots and they don't look dodgy until you put wallhackmode on.

Oh and I'm not saying he is or he is not a cheater, I'm just saying that your evidence fucking sucks and that your "facts" are to be laughed at. Maybe if you had some more demo's of him doing weird shots and stuff, people would recognize but with this one video of one shot? What are you expecting except putting his reputation down the drain?
And what is my opinion? The way he defends himself he looks like a cheater to me. I was asking him about it all and he just kept giving a big unclear "bla-bla" deflection story. But then again, looking at these "facts" there's no proof (yet) so you better do you homework mr.Careem.

<< Comment #153 @ 23:53 CDT, 5 July 2009 >>

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zkyp - Reply to #152

Oh and no, I didn't watch the demo (LINKOO, NERD), because if it was so important it would've been in the main post or someone would've made some avi's out of it. Get to work, you anti-cheat doctors.

Edited by zkyp at 23:54 CDT, 5 July 2009

<< Comment #154 @ 00:12 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #153

They see me trollin'...

<< Comment #158 @ 01:40 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Ryan2015 - Reply to #154

The ESR threads

<< Comment #190 @ 05:41 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Vapour - Reply to #153

Mx518 is not for retards, y ruin :(

<< Comment #173 @ 04:34 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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zealot - Reply to #152

* he was caught cheating in two games: cod4 is explainable with the pb string not cs and quake2. reading comprehension ftw.

* the two vids do not show one railshot. what are you talking about?

* you cannot change nicks in ql. :)

pretty useless post in my opinion.

<< Comment #165 @ 03:32 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Kaide

online only cheater,kick ban

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Terifire - Reply to #165

thread finnished

<< Comment #172 @ 04:32 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (filteredmedia.eu)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BKW9LOCS

<< Comment #174 @ 04:35 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Badb0y - Reply to #172

haha i liked the fat tank jr. at the end with the shotgun (non cheat scene).

<< Comment #179 @ 04:55 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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crack - Reply to #172

how did you get the orange models????

*edit* nevermind, found out.

Edited by crack at 05:11 CDT, 6 July 2009

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fjorgyn - Reply to #179

those are just tankjr/red with those gfx settings?

or am i missing smth?

<< Comment #210 @ 07:49 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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crack - Reply to #188

no, they're tankjr/default

<< Comment #211 @ 07:52 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #210

lol, k ^^

<< Comment #168 @ 04:09 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Grumx

lol no
ehhh :( looks weird :(

<< Comment #186 @ 05:11 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Mav_ - Reply to #168

It does.

There is no *solid* proof of cheating, but this case really smells. If it was someone who was not a proven cheater, I'd probably only say that it looks suspicious. But, since he did cheat in previous games AND some of the situations on the vids look convincing enough... I don't know.

In my opinion it was bad for CAREEM to make this topic so early. You ought to get much more proof and some solid demos from yuka's pov, informing some CB admins to record him only because he seems to cheat on league matches, for instance. That's what me and after that kaboom did with hrupek, a Polish wallhacker.

But, since it is public right now, I'd really like to see some of yuka's demos. Particularly from games versus Spartie (the one in which he hit so good), as well as ALL of his CB tdm matches recordings. If anyone wants to see some other demos of yuka, I think we should demand them.

Can you provide them, yuka? Because we can't really be sure that you're cheating or not, but providing recordings of games that WE want would probably make this case much more clear. Also, most leagues acknowledge a rule that says if you are accused of cheating you are obliged to provide recordings in your defence.

<< Comment #191 @ 05:47 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Mav_ - Reply to #186

Well, just watched the "new mouse" vid. Along with all the earlier vids, demos, and facts it looks pretty solid for me.

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calleking - Reply to #186

Spot on :)

<< Comment #176 @ 04:48 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Eclips3

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BKW9LOCS

<< Comment #285 @ 12:21 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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linkoo - Reply to #176

Upload on youtube please!

<< Comment #170 @ 04:31 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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timmah

Lulz quake.

<< Comment #171 @ 04:31 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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filo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4OCmYunMvc

... that last rails on dm6 from rail jumppad to pillars ... convinced me... lol

yuka ... why?

Edited by filo at 04:31 CDT, 6 July 2009

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GUArd

these vidoes doesnt shoes anything, any player do these "wall rails" in every tdm about 10 times..

but i believe , that zero to hero is true. i didnt saw him playing, but in few months in quake its hard to became good..

<< Comment #178 @ 04:54 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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filo - Reply to #175

i dunno m8 this one sealed the deal for me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzWLrk_9V0A

<< Comment #182 @ 05:02 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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rax- - Reply to #175

He has been playing since Quake 4 (and some q2 apparently).. not just a "few months". That's the point though: who goes from struggling vs nobody's one week to beating and having close games with pro's the next?

Still, these videos are rather dodgy, watching the t6 game when one of the enemy comes from ra to quad... pre-aiming at the wall instead of the door? Hmmm.

<< Comment #177 @ 04:50 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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calleking

The rail hitting the wall is nothing unusual as it's just a prediction of where his enemy would've been given the distance and speed he had. It happens all the time and since yuka saw the enemymodel the second before it's not the best scenario to focus on.

With yuka in the spotlight he's forced to turn of the wallhacks - that is if he ever used them. It's never going to last playing on a higher level.

<< Comment #183 @ 05:04 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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rax- - Reply to #177

Actually, the enemy wasn't strafing or moving in a predictable manner, he was trying to fight mg vs mg with eden. With the view Yuka had he could've dropped to LG and he couldn't have known.

Normally though, yes it would be prediction - if the enemy had spawned on bridge and tried to make cover behind the wall before a 2nd rail shot. That just wasn't the case here.

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calleking - Reply to #183

My bad.

You're right. I just looked at it again. Right before the enemy goes out of sight for yuka he's moving forward. There's no way he could've known the enemy had moved backward behind that wall.

Yuka?

<< Comment #571 @ 04:08 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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MassMan - Reply to #183

Yeah because there's no way the enemy could have seen the first missed rail fired right across his face, and then decided it might be a good idea to move back behind the wall before yuka got his 2nd shot off.
Not saying that Yuka is cheating or not, your logic is just flawed. Most people can fight one player while moving to avoid another.

<< Comment #187 @ 05:11 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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rax-

Do remember that these games aren't what brought Yuka under fire.. They're just the only demos available since he became suspicious and it just so happens that there are "dodgy" moments.

Nothing can be proven without being at LAN unless a cheater makes a massive Somba-boo-boo anyway.

Going from a broken mouse to a new, fixed, one could really improve anybody's game.

Hope you're not cheating Yuka.. I really do.

<< Comment #192 @ 05:52 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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exp!

rail @ 00:27 of this video http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BKW9LOCS seems a clear proof.

Edited by exp! at 05:53 CDT, 6 July 2009

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Nukm - Reply to #192

what? he knows the enemy is below him and he hears him jump, so takes a quick shot that goes into the wall but is not evene xactly on the model

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zealot - Reply to #199

thing is how did he know the enemy was right there because in the whole sequence he never sees one bit of him. the "correct play" would've been to drop down the rail hole not go through the entrance after being railed there before. he fires a shot into the wall that would've hit the model behind it purely on sound and prediction? does happen :) but again makes you look bad.

<< Comment #205 @ 07:19 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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exp! - Reply to #204

exactly, it's not "normal" to track a wall without seeing any pixel..

<< Comment #193 @ 05:55 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Mou7on

Yuka has always been good in q4 with k1ck (both tdm & ctf), he's a solid and active player, he's not cheating.

<< Comment #196 @ 06:40 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Paladia

Not that I know if it's true in this case or not but every time there has been a major cheat accusation against someone, it has always proven to be correct in the end. No smoke without fire it seems.

Edited by Paladia at 06:40 CDT, 6 July 2009

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Magician - Reply to #196

imho paladia is a cheater.

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Paladia - Reply to #201

"a major cheat accusation"

<< Comment #207 @ 07:35 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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hnns - Reply to #196

Terrible logic & also wrong.

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becks - Reply to #196

did I miss the undenyiable prrof agaisnt walter / kgb or something?

Or did you just mean the EU scene?

<< Comment #371 @ 17:39 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #212

becks missing something? nevar!
(notice how he conviniently changed demo name so you can't find it w search, silly cheater)

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becks - Reply to #371

you might read up on the undeniable proof thing.

Those were just the accusation and indications that he may be cheating. Nothing was ever proven. AS can be seen by razor issuing an apology for nomadic being a dick.

Also as I recall that demo didn't look nearly as dodgy as this one.

But why am I bothering? It's not like you were ever strong on the logic side...

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tourist - Reply to #399

now I know you didn't watch the demo cause if you did you'd know there are at least 2 occasions as dodgy as this one. whine first, ask questions later, innit

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becks - Reply to #409

ah, so now dodgy is the new undeniable.

good job reading.

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tourist - Reply to #411

for me that is pretty undeniable. but then again, the general concensus is having to satisfy all the idiots, who want nothing short of a blatant aimbot flicks. I guess that's the undeniable you were refering to?

Edited by tourist at 03:17 CDT, 7 July 2009

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becks - Reply to #413

"for me that is undeniable"

that sums your positionl up.
As if deniability was a matter of personal opinion...

For further proof see nukm's post here: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1715956#pid1715492

You see, once it occured to me that I scene in a frag vid looked mighty suspicious. Was in rtcw:
Some guy frags some opponents with one guy on the stairs on MP_base then backs up through a doorway to reload. The goes back in a again to finish up, but instead of looking right towards the stairs he turns left towards a dead end without hesistation and frags the last guy easily.
I have no idea how he knew the guy was there without having a wallhack or something.
On the other hand, the player doing the fragging was me and I pretty sure I didn't have a wallhack on.
But other than that the scene looks mighty dodgy.

And apparantly to you, it would have been "undeniable proof" and all the stupid decision I made in that match before and after that scene was just a feeble attemt to cover my wallhack...

<< Comment #422 @ 03:48 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #416

way to fail yet again. everyone has "those moments". the difference is you have it once in 10 games, or if you're top class, once in a game. having 10 of them in the first 5 minutes of a single game, might be a little... strange.

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becks - Reply to #422

still it's not undeniable.

Oh and back to the starting argument, paladia to whom I replied actually called this an "accusation" and said it's proven later...

And since noone except is few overzealous retards (like nomadic) is really convinced walter hacked, I used that as another argument were a major accusation has not led to actual proof that convinced even the majority of people.

On the other hand, it was probably people like you who wanted to ban czm for being too good...

<< Comment #434 @ 04:16 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #426

it was probably people like you who let oj simpson walk.

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becks - Reply to #434

no, it isn't. I never said yuka was innocent... But apprantly you don't want to understand that.

In OJ's case it was the American jury system. With easily impressable amateurs making the decision.
I would put such a case before a real professional judge as it is in most countries. (not that they are infallible, but usually better than the average person).

My point is that neither of us is in a position to judge. Not me, and I didn't judge, nor you, and you did judge.

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tourist - Reply to #436

"My point is that neither of us is in a position to judge."

brilliant, just brilliant mr. Cochrane.

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tourist - Reply to #416

and just for the record, I've been playing this game for god knows how long and I never had a moment like that yuka wall shot. ever.

<< Comment #425 @ 03:57 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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Reyn1r - Reply to #423

You watch all your games back with shownormals 1?

<< Comment #430 @ 04:09 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #425

every single one

<< Comment #427 @ 04:04 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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apoxic - Reply to #423

More prediction practice for you good sir, get on it!

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tourist - Reply to #427

prediction had nothing to do with his shot, look again.

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becks - Reply to #423

what reynir said.

Or are you trying to day you never hit a wall beyond which there might have been someone?

Again, dodgy? Yes, even very dodgy. Proof? No.

And no you are actually arguing based on a "If I don't do it, noone else does." - assumption. You're not helping anyone's case. Almost comparable to vedic's "But he defends himself so he must be guilty" or CAREEM's "There are no phones with such a resolution" arguments.

Note: It's always better to have just a few strong arguments, than adding a ton of weak arguments, which make your position attackable.

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tourist - Reply to #428

they found bloody gloves in my glove compartment. IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. they found the murder weapon in my trunk. IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. I was running away from the cops.IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. so they let me go.

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becks - Reply to #433

your examples are comparable to sombra's screenshots, as in caught with the hand in the cookie jar.
Did you see anyone but Spaniards defending him? No you didn't.

The accuasations here are more like:
"I saw here walking into the forest at night." - "She has red hair." - "She was talking in foreign tongues." -
"She collects herbs" - "She has the devil's mark"

But I said before that you always sucked at logic and analogies, so why should I expect you to do any better this time around?

<< Comment #441 @ 05:08 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #437

you mean my logic that always manages to make a fool out of you?

<< Comment #443 @ 05:37 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #441

only in your little world, I'm afraid :/

<< Comment #435 @ 04:25 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #428

I spend plenty of time on this site, and I still don't care to justify my actions to you wankers. For someone who doesn't spend time here to go out of his way to defend himself (especially after he said he was done responding) on a troll forum is silly.

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becks - Reply to #435

silly? yes. evidence? nope.

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tourist - Reply to #440

oh hi.

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becks - Reply to #933

so, wait a second.

You went through 900+ comments to find this one.
Then the most creative thing you can come up with is "Oh hi".
And then this chain of replies is about the "yuka wall shot" which many including me and you called dodgy at first (only later you changed your opinion). Most maintained that it was dodgy but that it does happen.

The scene that ultimately gave him away (jumppad at dm6) wasn't part of the news at that point.

Conclusion: You stay a moron, who is trying too hard.

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tourist - Reply to #934

hahahaha

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becks - Reply to #935

well, at least you realized that you really didn't have point.

So there may still be hope.

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tourist - Reply to #936

hahahahahahahaha

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becks - Reply to #937

hmm, maybe not then.

At least, you were right with your analysis about Croatians. props.

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tourist - Reply to #938

see, you may try to run from it as much as you like, but deep down you're still a nationalist and a bigot.

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becks - Reply to #939

thanks for making me laugh.

Good ending.

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Paladia - Reply to #212

Well, as a law student my view of proof is apparently different from yours. Your view of proof is that it has to be 100% undeniable. Proof like that hardly exists in the legal world, for example the most common proof, witnesses, is far from being undeniable. A person can be sentenced to life (or even death, in the case of the US) based mainly on the words of witnesses, so talking about "undeniable proof" has no relation to the (legal) reality.

If someone can be sentenced to death without undeniable proof, why wouldn't he be able to be banned from a video game without undeniable proof? As a judge, you simply gather all the circumstances and see which story is more likely to have occured. Depending on what kind of ruling it is, the likelyhood will have to be greater or lesser but in the end it is almost never the case that all other alternatives except the verdict is impossible.

As for Walter, the fact that he has tried everything in his power to delete and hide the aimbot demo and later on claims he was "mentally unstable" during that period, can be seen as proof that it was indeed something fishy going on in said demo.

However, I do not follow the NA scene especially closely and was mainly refering to the EU scene.

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becks - Reply to #448

law students are the worst ;P

Anyway, yes you are right such a thing does not exist. However, I had the impression that you did not think that what was brought forth so far is convincing enough. But instead were saying that in other cases actual proof was found "in the end".

And since my example with walter is at least to some degree arguable, I also mentioned the accusations against kgb.
Additionally, the accusations made against czm / unborn also turned out to be wrong. Even though in that case people would probably argue that we know yuka is really yuka and not someone fakenicking.

In any case, i guess the closest person to being a jude in this case would be Syncerror, and he has thus far, acquitted the suspect ;)

/edit

about the gathering truth thing. I always thought they did not just see the probability but factored in the effect a sentence would have. Which is Germany is formulated as "When in doubt, favor the suspect".

Well, I brought up the Sombra argument before and they were some people making up bizarre stories how he might be innocent, and I said I didn't buy those either. So no, I don't think of undeniable proof as "impossible to fabricate a story against" but more like something someone thinking objectively would deny. Which is in the end what a judge is supposed to do.

Edited by becks at 07:38 CDT, 7 July 2009

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Paladia - Reply to #451

Anyway, yes you are right such a thing does not exist. However, I had the impression that you did not think that what was brought forth so far is convincing enough. But instead were saying that in other cases actual proof was found "in the end".

You are right about that. While I do think the current proof points to something being suspicious, it isn't enough to call him a cheater, however, it is certainly enough to look further into the matter. Unfortunately, yuka is less than forthcoming about providing anything that shows he is legit, which if anything, goes against his case. Still, I wouldn't call him a cheater just yet.

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becks - Reply to #452

then we have an accord :)

(also please note the edit on my previous comment if you didn't already ;) )

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Paladia - Reply to #454

Checking your edit now.

about the gathering truth thing. I always thought they did not just see the probability but factored in the effect a sentence would have. Which is Germany is formulated as "When in doubt, favor the suspect".

In crime cases, when deeming if a subject is guilty or not they do not factor in the effect, however, the actual sentence is of course based on the effect. For example a solicitor who is convincted of a crime will likely get a lesser sentence than an unemployed person who does the exact same crime. This is due to the court factoring in that the solicitor will lose his job and possibly his entire career if he is sentenced, which in a way is a punishment in itself.

Comparing criminal law against a civil law isn't very accurate to do in this case though. To be sentenced for a crime you have to be guilty "beyond reasonable doubt". However, in a civil case, such as for example a case where one guy claims the other guy owes him money, that isn't the case. Then the court just looks at which scenario is more likely to have occured, the evidence does not have to be overwhelming in any direction. In terms of cheaters, that's obviously not a crime so you should rather look at what is the more likely thing to have occured.

Edited by Paladia at 08:08 CDT, 7 July 2009

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.syL - Reply to #456

Comparing criminal law against a civil law isn't very accurate to do in this case though. To be sentenced for a crime you have to be guilty "beyond reasonable doubt". However, in a civil case, such as for example a case where one guy claims the other guy owes him money, that isn't the case. Then the court just looks at which scenario is more likely to have occured, the evidence does not have to be overwhelming in any direction. In terms of cheaters, that's obviously not a crime so you should rather look at what is the more likely thing to have occured.

While true in a very general sense, which standard applies in private law cases depends heavily on the subject matter, sometimes even approaching something close to reasonable doubt. Consider, just as one example, cases where a person is expelled from a professional body for misconduct.
Likewise, in practice, regulations regarding burden of proof can shift the standard from most likely to convincing or beyond (all heavily depending on the jurisdiction of course, but the same principles apply more or less in all countries governed by the rule of law).

The best (and in this case most applicable comparsion) would be anti-doping regulations.

I've only found a german source, but it's about the international regulations, so here goes:

"The Anti-doping organisation carries the burden of proof. It has been met, when the organisation, taking into consideration the severity of the accusation, is reasonably convinced that an infraction has occured. The standard of evidence is most definatley higher than "most likely", but does not have to be beyond reasonable doubt."

http://books.google.com/books?id=5tI3xB_UvlIC...p;resnum=6

(former ;) law school student)

Edited by .syL at 14:10 CDT, 8 July 2009

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f0cus - Reply to #196

*ahem*

uNborn. (czm)

..that is all.

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ini - Reply to #241

The Euro scene has generally been more accurate to be honest :P

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f0cus - Reply to #245

nah, czm's a total hacker, too. :P

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tourist - Reply to #259

the guys accusing 'unborn' were a couple of local idiots whereas walter/yuka got accused by pretty much everyone with a clue.

(except becks who feels guilty for killing the jews)

Edited by tourist at 11:50 CDT, 9 July 2009

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lolvc

When you have 3 accounts, all with like 4 days playtime... and it took just 1 day to become good.. somethings up

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lolvc - Reply to #197

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BKW9LOCS

lol that video completely proves it, who needs more proof?

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Nukm - Reply to #198

i dont know, there is no scene that makes me go "wow, this is it! hes a cheater" but the combination of so many dodgy actions make him suspicious, i agree
still it would be cool if someone would take 2-3 cypher demos and post every scene that looks suspicious with shownormals in a vid without sound. to me it feels like it would look at least as dodgy as the vid, but if never seen anyone do it so im not sure

<< Comment #206 @ 07:34 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #198

upload on youtube

<< Comment #200 @ 06:55 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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JCK

once a cheater, always a cheater...

yuka bitch give moar moneyz to beer instead of "new mouse" and dont feed esr trolls ;)

Edited by JCK at 07:02 CDT, 6 July 2009

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becks - Reply to #200

I agree, if he had said he got better by starting to drink lots of beer before games I would have believed him.

<< Comment #208 @ 07:41 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM

I think yuka should post us a demo at the games where he raped strenx / blanka / bodzo and beatd spartie to prove us wrong. But I guess this will never happend. It will be like "Yuka: I dont record dems".

<< Comment #214 @ 08:28 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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First of all you wont ever have a proof unless he plays on a Lan or someone is camming him at an official where he plays the same level. I assure you none of these will happen.

Second thing is too many facts are against him. Cheating in other games, having suddenly a magic aim, beating better players.

Third thing is the the scene doesnt have enough demos of his play. We have 2 demos ,one of them is multipov, with a lot of suspicious dodgy movements.

If I was accused with a thing like that I would a upload a few demos and thats the end of the story. Yuka acts like cheaters do, long comments with lots of excuses -no demos.

But we should never forget that yuka is a decent player, a mediocre one: he plays a lot even with fake accounts. How can you people believe that a guy who played 12 days and takes gaming in general seriously plays with a broken mouse? Thats bullshit. I believe that one of his mouses died at a cb match, but I dont believe the new mouse story.

Here ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4OCmYunMvc ) at 0:59 isnt an impossible rail either, but it has no logic at all, he hit the guy waiting at red he should focus on him to jump for 50 health, or jump down, but instead of this he is attacking rl to ra jumper.

... and the "new mouse video" ( http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BKW9LOCS )makes things clear imho, 5-6 suspicious movements in 14 minutes.

<< Comment #216 @ 08:36 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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stripy - Reply to #214

i guess i'm just blind.
none of those are proof to me. u can basically dissect anyone's demo like that.
i.e. i do that 0:59 all the time do, don't have patience to wait for some1 to jump to hp since they are smart they know ure waiting for that. the t7 demo is all sound tbh, and nothing doggy.
Again, not saying he is or isnt cheating just that does demos/vids don't prove shit.

and why should he prove hes innocent, its suppose to be the other way around.

btw dont throw things like hes beating top players so easily, he can beat them like 1/2 games out of 10 maybe, but those are praccys, where those top players try out different things and/or don't always play serious.

the fact that new cheats are getting harder to detect, and that everbalance is doing shit is a whole other story.

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becks - Reply to #216

it is the other way round, he doesn't have to prove his innocence.

however there is already some "proof" floating around which isn't solid but easy to dismiss either.
Additionally, imo posting demos of himself would not be considered "having to defend" himself, but instead being helpful to clear things up. Most people who are wrongly accused do that.
And after all, it takes less time to upload a demo than writing 5 comments.

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stripy - Reply to #226

i don't agree that the proof cant be easily dismissed.

i do agree that he should just upload a few demos, and i agree that its convenient for him to say that he doesn't record. but i also understand that mentality, since i get somewhat nervous when recording, like i have pressure to perform good. the lack of hide rcrd msg is whats stooping me to autorecord.

If some1 wanted to expose yuka for what they think he is, they should have catched him in the act. coz this isnt even close to evidence to me.

again not defending him, just stating the obvious lack of any quality evidence.

the thing we should be doing here is forcing id to force Everbalance to actually make punkbuster useful.
because the cheating will only get worse, since a larg playerbase makes ql a interesting game for the cheat coders to get cash.

Edited by stripy at 09:18 CDT, 6 July 2009

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linkoo - Reply to #229

But he "doesn't record any games" from what he told me in irc.

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stripy - Reply to #238

i dont get your "but", with what from what i said do u disagree?

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ini - Reply to #238

I don't record games unless it's a league/cup in QL since the autorecord is fucking ridiculous (warmup recording!).

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f0cus - Reply to #229

If Sombra hadn't uploaded a screenshot of his own hack, no-one would have ever had the "proof" needed that he hacks. You can watch the demos and still see nothing any dodgier than we're seeing in these videos.

In other words, as I mentioned countless times in the walter/kgb threads, the only way to catch a Quake cheater is if they go full-retard. Short of going "full-retard", there's NO WAY to get "irrefutable proof" that so many overly-diplomatic Quakers talk about having before calling someone a cheater.

(I live in NA and don't play much q-live with my shitty connection, so I have no opinion on Yuka, just making the point that "definite proof" CANNOT exist without utter stupidity involved on the part of the cheater.)

20%

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stripy - Reply to #254

hence my sentence of needing to pressure id to force everbalance to actually do smth useful.

all i'm saying if this is enough to call some1 a cheater, an all out witch hunt can start.

Edited by stripy at 10:39 CDT, 6 July 2009

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becks - Reply to #254

well yeah I agree it cannot be perfectly proven without a cheater's stupidity.

But tell me what is the consequence that fact should hve?

Should we go full inquisition and burn (ban) everyone that looks suspicious and gets accused, even though the one accusing might just have some personal issues?

Or should we do nothing?

Or should we talk about it publicly, so the player knows he is being watched and hopefully considers to stop cheating if he ever did. Maybe he could even start recording demos then...

None of these choices are perfect, imo. But I do have a clear favorite...

<< Comment #572 @ 04:15 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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MassMan - Reply to #254

No proof unless a cheater goes full-retard.

Or unless an anticheat actually works (lol) and catches them.

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Vayne - Reply to #572

"Or unless an anticheat actually works (lol) and catches them. "

That's the only way, but it needs to be implemented without anybody knowing so it could catch cheaters off gaurd.

<< Comment #218 @ 08:41 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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crack - Reply to #214

that 0:59? i shoot these rails at that spot since 3-4 years and used to hit in q3. you can hear the enemy incoming and then u just need the right timing to hit him.

<< Comment #213 @ 08:18 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Vium

Only thing I find strange. Is that k1ck has become so good in a very short time. If its yuka cheating or they just got so much better in like a week. I don't know.
Plasa used to play very even with them, now they get their ass handed to them. Yuka used to be very last in their team, now he deals most dmg + frags 20-30 more then 2nd on the team.
And how kick can beat linkoo and reyniir on t6 (t7 in q3), when plasa can beat cooler and ash on that map, is also weird :).
If he just got this good i'll say it impressive and we might have a "new" top player.
if he cheats shame on you, and plz stop it :P.

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Anonymous (bl9-184-211.dsl.telepac.pt) - Reply to #213

Vium, I gotta disagree that k1ck has become so good in short time. As leader of k1ck I didn�t want to post on this thread till you would bring k1ck name up on here.

k1ck has beaten several teams on pcw�s and mostly in all pcw�s we didn�t used the best lineup, so for you, in your eyes , our team wasn�t really the best. So changing the 4 elements everytime you play makes it harder. Yes its a mistake.
I played also on that 2on2 and I don�t cheat (not saying yuka does cheat or not) and I contributed a lot for the win in that 2on2, looking to my 12k damage on t6.
If you check old k1ck quake history you will find out that k1ck was one of the best teams in Quake 4, and we using mostly the same players we used on Quake 4 with some new people which I found were pretty good to play with us now.
So don�t come tell k1ck has got good in short time when k1ck is already good. Not good as a team like ch, or d? most likely. But as good as your team. So don�t come here without knowing you talk about.

I hope that people get into deep the truth and find if yuka cheats or not.

Till then I can�t do notting then help people to find this. If people need just pm me on IRC if they need any information. I just seek for the truth and I�m not gonna defend anyone in this matter.

And Vium we got also other really talented in our roster that we can use instead of yuka, so if you play us, make sure u play with the right roster then we can have a chat, and I can give you right.

But yes I dont like to say k1ck is a good team, I like to say we can do well if we work for it. But when it comes to a disrespectfull statement like yours I had to answer. Sorry and I hope you dont understand me wrong

Thanks.

Pedro "/< eden" Fonseca

Edited by iniiiiiiii at 08:39 CDT, 6 July 2009

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ini - Reply to #217

I'm not saying kick is good/bad but when you have a cheat playing for you it's an insane advantage and can easily make a narrow win a large one.

Just out of curiosity, what would you say your strongest line up is?

<< Comment #234 @ 09:53 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #222

abso, zsx, eden, ?

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unihumi - Reply to #234

you forgot yuka

<< Comment #227 @ 09:07 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Vium - Reply to #217

eden you misunderstood me.
k1ck is a very good team.
but when you look at yuka's performance earlier compared to now, he has become very good. not saying its cheating, just that he now is top fragger before he was bottom half.

"before": (ca is just to place him in the k1ck team)
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2433/shot0058l.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9207/shot0000a.jpg

"after":
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9774/yuka1.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8705/yuka2.jpg

but not saying he is cheating. just that he is very good now, compared to earlier. if its the mouse, gimme one :)

edit:
"and the comment about k1ck becoming good in a very short time is just my bad English. You are good, but yuka just became a top player in a very short time, and made you even stronger"

Edited by Vium at 09:10 CDT, 6 July 2009

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sol4r - Reply to #227

This is what I noticed aswell. To me yuka always seemed like the lesser player of k1ck. He dramatically improved his TDM in 2 weeks. I know for a fact it couldn't have been because k1ck was practicing alot, because I had to reschedule our CB match at least 3 times over a course of 2 weeks since eden was telling me they couldn't play at regular times at all.

I'm still not 100% convinced with all the evidence, but any team that has played k1ck over the last few months and now these last 2 weeks will agree with me that yuka improved dramatically. Along with the dodgy vids posted here and previous use of cheats in other games, it does make this whole thing smell.

Then again, if it turns out he did improve on his own with his new mouse, then I tip my hat to him with respect. Until then, post some demos.

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Mav_ - Reply to #232

That's just the thing. There are *NO* demos, because yuka is the only one who can provide them, and from what I can see he does not want to upload any demos that we want.

And I mean... what the hell is it with that? Yuka should be banned from the ClanBase TDM Cup ASAP. Not because he's surely a cheater, but because when a player is accused of something like that, he IS OBLIGED to show his demos from league matches.

Edited by Mav_ at 00:14 CDT, 8 July 2009

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rax- - Reply to #567

Agreed

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Mav_ - Reply to #567

Also note that providing demos from yuka is not enough proof for proving that he's not cheating. He ought to provide demos from matches that *we* demand.

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yuka - Reply to #576

if you knew and saw the game , you would know that half of our team keept disconnecting several times from cb game , and lost a map caus of it, ql was bugged that day , all of us had only pieces of demos... caus me eden abso zsx also calipt and enemy got dced.. icouldnt even come back to server for 3minutes.. and tbh admin was present on server and saw it, he could also record demos and he prolly speced my pov aswell , caus after i got dced couple of times lost 5min of play and home map map i was thinking on all other stuff then recording demos.

for public games i already said i didnt record, but there was alot of spectators on the server, ask spartie strenx to give you their demos .. and you can see how many ppl were speccing at time they might also recorded.

regards.

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Mav_ - Reply to #581

There's an autorecord command that you ought to use in league matches. It begins recording your matches every single time you enter any game.

Let me just make sure. You are aware that most leagues acknowledge a rule that you are obliged to record league matches in case of any accusations like this happen, as this is the only way that you can get out of it clean, right?

Don't get me wrong, I don't have ANYTHING against you, man. But I'm really surprised nobody banned you from the leagues in which you could have cheated, simply because you haven't recorded demos that could prove the accusing parties wrong. Those are the most basic rules for competition in Quake Live, which you did not abide by.

As a result -- due to your own negligence only -- there is no material at all that can prove Careem and his fellows wrong, while there are many small things that would indicate that you have indeed cheated.

So, in my opinion, it's only your own fault that most people posting here regard you as a cheater.

Edited by Mav_ at 06:54 CDT, 8 July 2009

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Superman - Reply to #585

I accuse you of cheating, now, go upload 10 demos proving that you arent cheating!

<< Comment #313 @ 14:01 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #227

from -10 net to +10 net from a broken mouse to a new mouse...

What's so impressive?

<< Comment #400 @ 01:29 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #227

that "vium" guy has a suspiciously high lg % ;P

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Vium - Reply to #400

atleast its constantly high :P

<< Comment #242 @ 10:15 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #217

NA k1ck > EU k1ck

kekekeke

<< Comment #221 @ 08:46 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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crack - Reply to #213

k1ck has been playing _a lot_ for years and not just recently. i remember back in the q4 times, they started getting good with eden, yuka (dunno who else). i was in [f]oundation back then... first, we fucked them pretty hard, but after some months they were at least even. even though i am a part of k1ck and may therefore be biased, i believe all this is witchhunting until we see some solid proof.

<< Comment #223 @ 08:51 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Aaron

this guy is meant to be good?

his aim looking pretty fucking awful and had no mouse control or sense of flow at all...

even with cheats, laff

<< Comment #230 @ 09:30 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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rax- - Reply to #223

That's the reason people find it odd he's beating pro's.....

These dodgy shots etc. have just been added to the fire

<< Comment #231 @ 09:33 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #230

ah

didn't really read the details much :(

<< Comment #682 @ 02:41 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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outlaw - Reply to #223

people still accuse me and i have better mouse control, movement, and flow than 95% I also never did anything like this guy

i also proved myself across multiple quakes and modes (albeit online but the whiners will bitch about anything)

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tourist - Reply to #682

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

<< Comment #237 @ 09:56 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Nukm

another proof!
omg he hits the model behind the wall

Attached Misc File: 70353-cnq3 2009-07-06 16-49-33-95.avi (1623KB)

Edited by Nukm at 09:56 CDT, 6 July 2009

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Anonymous (93.103.65.134) - Reply to #237

lol? u serious,,. what is that for proof.. i try those shoots thousand times since closed beta, i wait for enemy to jump from ra and try to hit him .. i happen to miss badly sometimes.. so that means i cheat? lol its normal that he is gonna be behind that wall.. where else he could be? so if i miss normally shots with that mode will show suspicious stuff like i am tryin to hit him trough wall, but what u think if i was cheating i would be so stupid to shoot ppl trough wall? cmon i am not fuckin 15.. and i fuckin know this isnt cs so shots dont go trough walls.

be patient i am gonna upload demos to esr soon .. but atm i am working hard and busy alot so i dont have much time to play quakelive.

yuka.

<< Comment #251 @ 10:23 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #248

:D nah im arguing against those silly vids in this post. the vid is from spart1e vs jibo ;)

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hi , just got off work so i didnt have time to post stuff.. to be honest back then nobody ever asked me for demo, and since it was public games and i didnt have autorecord enabled i didnt have those demos, but i can simply play new games vs good ppl and record em and upload you demos here.. that i can do.. or any of you guys can come to see me and record me when i play vs strenx\spartie on trains.. that is no problem at all. And i will do it in future when i get some time to play actually. Like stripy said i only didnt like to record caus of the annoying msg that display on the screen, and why blame me for that? noctis also doesent like it and many ppl refuse to do so caus of it.

once again i dont use hack, and those moives you make , are just how i always play\played .. its prediction style shoots thats how i play,the movements and weird stuff i make are often done without many logic and with tryin to play more safe and doin things that dont rlly make sens, which sometimes works. you may call it sucky lucky dodgy whateva etc etc..but i am not aware how things actually look with those cmd's enabled. Duel is other story, and i win games because i get good control with decent aim. Its not about my flow shoots etc, its about timing position play etc...thats where i am good.

Pls dont accuse or put this matter down to k1ck, they got nothing to do with it, and they arent good caus of me, but caus of teamplay.

And for last time, i am not beating pro's if i win some friendly games in which those ppl dont even give their max probably. Tbh its easy to beat bodzo, he is much weaker then before if you guys noticed? TBh blanka is no pro.. he is sucky.. spartie is nice good player and i only won him once with some luck and good timing.. and strenx when i won him played only 1 week and couple of games,.. 2 days ago he beat me 15-0 .. and my play wasnt any worse then the day i beat him!

STOP DREAMING now and go do something with your life rather then bug me .

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CAREEM - Reply to #240

"you can follow me and record" <- this is what cheaters always say when they dont have demos :P

..and bodzo is not easy to beat, but yeah u raped him

Edited by CAREEM at 10:21 CDT, 6 July 2009

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Anonymous (93.103.65.134) - Reply to #246

bodzo skill level fallen in last month , or since he joined SK he become alot weaker player for some reason.. before he always had 50 aim .. and now he has normal aim and his play seems rlly noobish .. that is imo a thing to suspect , and he had beaten pro ppl on tournaments, and wasnt rlly known player ever.

as i said you can come to spec me as i got nothing to hide, and i welcome people to come see for themselves,.. i am on server playin with same dodgy play\ same accuracy\same level of play i was playin back then when i won games. I am only askin people to come record me so i dont have to see that annoying record demo msg. Thats only reason. But no worries, i will record my demos in further games and post em here.

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Lethe - Reply to #246

http://www.quakelive.com/#profile/summary/cajeem

you played 10 full days (lol) and still cant do shit vs the good guys, so you opened this up to make yourself feel better. vs a fellow countryman who won a couple of close games (in quakelive, which is so random at times) before his ass was handed to him?

thats sad.

p.s. : get over it.

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CAREEM - Reply to #288

why would I have opened this to feel me better?

First of all, I thought he really become so good. When he told me that bodzo rage quited against him. I couldnt belive my eyes and then I checked his profile. I was saying to my self WOW WOW, so awesome! After wards I was speccing almost every his game against pro gamers. I was really pround on my fellow country man, I didnt even record the demos because I thought he become so good. But later all this made me think about it. I started to talk with some people if there might be a possibilty that yuka cheats. After wards I checked his stats and compared the stats to the rest of pro gamers... And put the facts here...

<< Comment #298 @ 12:59 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #290

so which fact or evidence do you really have about him cheating in quakelive?

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CAREEM - Reply to #298

check topic, there are few facts and we found even more in comments

if the mouse thing is not weird to you then god help you

Edited by CAREEM at 16:30 CDT, 6 July 2009

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Lethe - Reply to #300

you cant prove an online cheat except when the guy is retarded like zubich. you can either do some damage to the innocent guy, or link a ton of stuff which can be cheats, but maybe they aren't.

anyway, its pretty shitty to do this to your countryman without solid proof.

<< Comment #307 @ 13:14 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #305

At least he will stop cheating now

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zealot - Reply to #305

why the fuck are you mentioning the "your countrymen" part so often? get over it you nationalistic prick. also if i'm not mistaking him for someone else careem has a history of playing quake that makes it rather implausible for this to be about his ego. sorry to be so blunt but you are contributing absolutely nothing to this thread.

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Lethe - Reply to #318

ofcourse it matters you fucking ape. in a country of 1,8 million people, where you can piss from one side to another he's opening a topic about his mate cheating without any evidence besides the fact that he had beaten spartie and strenx in a couple of matches, before losing badly. for what purpose exactly? to amuse people like you who are desperately trying to find a story where they can write down shit without knowing anything about this.

Edit: i've also heard some stuff about careem, and they are far from something which would give him any credibility. playing quakelive for full 10 days doesn't do it also.

btw naming this "A cheater on Quake Live!" doesn't help also, cause i dont see a questionmark in the end, just as i dont see how exactly is he cheating. but you actually need half a brain to see how lame that is and how childish careem is.

Edited by Lethe at 16:04 CDT, 6 July 2009

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CAREEM - Reply to #341

So what if I played 10 days? I have never ever in my life played Q3 nor Q4, but only q2. In q2 there is everything opposite to Q3 / QL even weapons are delayed. You cant udnerstand how different those games are. Id say for my 10days of playing QL I play good. And now please stop following me and stop with non sense comments.

I bet you have played Q3 for many years and I don't think you are any better then me in this game now.

Edited by CAREEM at 16:38 CDT, 6 July 2009

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Lethe - Reply to #348

you reply to my reply to someone else, not you.

i dont really play ql lately, but we can duel np.

<< Comment #365 @ 17:16 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #318

"why the fuck are you mentioning the "your countrymen" part so often?"

welcome to croatia buddy, tho you might think this guy is a complete idiot it's really the norm here.

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LoCK - Reply to #365

That's fucking sad.

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tourist - Reply to #408

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealt..._estimates

#39

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becks - Reply to #420

but doesn't lethe have a 158 pound penis?

<< Comment #482 @ 09:22 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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Eviili - Reply to #318

exactlly he is the last person that should open this thread since his credibility is at 0%!

You dont know careem the way we down here do.Hes a fucking sociopathic prick that enjoys humiliating other ppl and put them down not realising what kind of damage he might do!Im not going to judge yuka and all those vids cause im not sure and am too afraid to make a mistake about such sensitive topic(true those vids look weird)!But just think about it what IF he didnt cheat how will you fix the damage that has already been done...you cant erase that anymore,it is sad.

and as for poster of this thread...careem had recorded his own sounds for q2 and replaced them with the original ones like water sound for example.He recorded himself saying "WATER WATER WATER!!" and changed that water splat when player falls into the water with it and so on...I dont remember him ever judging his own mates like duugzlah that was banned and proven cheater that addmited on clanbase or that blanka/1o1 incident and so on...not to mention all the crap from q2scene ( http://q2scene.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=209&...ch+chicken <---LOL!).He even had some police visits for owning some pedophile material which makes u think about it...sad and pathetic!

Edited by Eviili at 15:45 CDT, 7 July 2009

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CAREEM - Reply to #482

lol, a guy talking about q2 who has never played it. every one have custom sounds in q2, this is normal there. wait, I'll link you with more then 100 different pak's of different people. Guess what? Every pak have differend sounds and textures. Here it is just for you mr. retard: http://q2scene.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=528

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Eviili - Reply to #559

Im amazed...your stupidity has no limits

You do realise that you just admited that you did use modified sounds which are cheat!!!How the fuck can you say I never played q2 while ure well aware I played action quake 2 since 00 and I was involved in it through a mod!?!?!?OK fine like you said I didnt play baseq2 but rules were same for both of us using nocheat.exe and now r1q2.Its so damn funny how desperatly u try to shape the "truth" the way it suits u lololol...I just wonder what the fuck were u thinking posting me that custom .pak forum if u clearly know that r1ch`s module anticheat.dll is checking the files (even sounds yes:walking,water splats,reloading...)?Have you ever seen these pages?

http://www.q2admin.net/
http://anticheat.aq2world.com/
http://forums.aq2world.com/viewtopic.php?t=2866

Theres even that hash list where its written which files get checked by the module...

Now since ure uncapable to write up any constructive reply and u cant deny any of the stuff I wrote above stop replying cause its embarasing enough and im not in the mood for arguing here with u.If u piss me off enough I just might open a whole new thread just the kind u did for yuka and trust me it wont be pleasent for u little turd!

Have a nice day flatface.

Edited by Eviili at 06:05 CDT, 8 July 2009

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LoCK - Reply to #578

Every single Q2 player I've ever known or played against have used modifed sounds and textures. What is not allowed however, is spikes, wallhacks and aimbots.

Fag.

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CAREEM - Reply to #590

yeah, agreed and I have to + you for that.

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LoCK - Reply to #597

Have one yourself. Because we're fucking right and he's wrong.

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CAREEM - Reply to #578

Hello again mr. retard. The modified sounds in Quake2 are not considered as a cheat in any league at any official match. I don't know how to tell ya, but Quake2 is not Action Quake2, I don't know how the things are there. Anyway, If you do not know anything about Quake2 then please stop posting non sense comments.

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Fejl(Folklore) - Reply to #578

Sociopath is a big word m8, I think a person with antisocial personality disorder would do other thinks then sit here in the esreality forum all day and talk shit.

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Eviili - Reply to #900

oh rly?

How would u describe a pedophile??
http://q2scene.net/bdl/index.php?op=com&id=1818

he writes it himself there...also muerte told me stories about him how he met a 14y girl over msn while he was 21 or more i dont even remember.The funniest shit is that she ditched (over msn yes!) him later on and he went to cry on q2scene! xDDD

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Fejl(Folklore) - Reply to #904

A pedophiliac is not a psychopath even if can feel probable to think that way but that's not how you describe pedophil..
I'm not saying it's impossible for it to be that way thought.

I'm not saying that you are lying either, I'm just talking about the psychopath thing...

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Eviili - Reply to #906

k nice troll attempt

<< Comment #912 @ 09:45 CDT, 11 September 2009 >>

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Fejl(Folklore) - Reply to #911

Omg you serious? I'm not trolling!
Get some knowledge before you use a word you not fully understand next time.

Thanks

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f0cus - Reply to #305

Outside of someone pulling a Sombra sending in his own screenshot or otherwise, name one cheater in the past three years that there was any "proof" of. Just one. Name one.

This "solid proof" you people keep talking about doesn't exist in any cases, even when it turns out they were cheating. Again, I don't care if he is or not, but to say "don't say anything without solid proof" really just translates into "don't say anything ever".

Which the cheaters would love.

...just sayin'

<< Comment #321 @ 14:35 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #319

Erm. I have 'solid' proof for many cheaters. It's just that most of the cheaters that leave themselves open to 'solid proof' aren't players that you care about cause they are in lower levels of competition. The players who both cheat and know the game well make it difficult to prove because they not just cheat but understand the limitations they must work within to pull it off.

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yuka - Reply to #321

I wasnt calling you to meet me , because of ego.. i was calling you to meet me so you can see for yourself in real life how i play there you cannot make up excuses and say i hack, because its infront of your eyez.. i was calling you caus u opened this thread on esr to express your doubts in me , i was doing this to clear things up.

<< Comment #331 @ 15:24 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #327

I don't know why you keep replying to me. I didn't start this thread nor the accusations.

<< Comment #346 @ 16:31 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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yuka - Reply to #331

sorry i pressed wrong reply , i was actually replying to careem .. and not syncerror

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CAREEM - Reply to #346

I think this reply to syncerror was in porpuse

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Lethe - Reply to #319

zubich

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Aaron - Reply to #319

satan

<< Comment #502 @ 10:36 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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rockz ' - Reply to #246

shut up now

<< Comment #253 @ 10:26 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #240

Got any CB TDM demos of the kick games you played so far?

Any new demos aren't of much value for obvious reasons, but you're meant to record CB TDM demos anyway so you should have these.

<< Comment #255 @ 10:33 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (93.103.65.134) - Reply to #253

i was actually tryin to record that game vs broken, but since ql had problems that day me and half of my teams dropped from server (in gametime) several times, after i dropped i missed 3 minutes of playing, lost a map caus of it, i didnt rlly remember or bother to record.

But there is an upcoming match probably vs Reason gaming in playoffs, which i will record if i will play.. but doubt i will even play because i dont have time for gaming atm, i am working all the time.

regards. yuka.

<< Comment #260 @ 10:44 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #255

Is that why you're cheating now? Afraid you'd lose your edge having to work all the time and not getting any practice in? Makes sense to me.. besides, now you can afford the good hacks anyway.
[/troll]

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vedic - Reply to #255

Convenient.

<< Comment #265 @ 11:06 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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yuka - Reply to #261

yes thats why , you totally got me , that little 900eu i get monthly thats barley enough for place\food\expenses\party i spent on hax yep its true.. omg how did u know?

<< Comment #366 @ 17:19 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #265

it was rather obvious, what are you an idiot?

<< Comment #239 @ 10:01 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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linkoo

Here is where yuka "changed" his mouse after the first game and 5minutes or warmup in between.

First match:
http://img155.imageshack.us/i/lololoe.jpg/

Second match(the one where the amazing spam-rails took place):
http://img406.imageshack.us/i/lololoa.jpg/

<< Comment #250 @ 10:22 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (93.103.65.134) - Reply to #239

changed mouse? wtf u sayin i changed mouse long before this game... i was playin both maps with my new mouse and i was playin good on both maps.. we played 1st 2on2 in some time, and i was playin whole day of duels so i was used to play 1on1 at that time and , normally first game of 2on2 wasnt exactly good.. caus i was playin it like duel. We had much better connection this time , and i got warmed up for 2on2 style of playing.. i normally need 1 game to get into the particular mod..

and sry i didnt record demos, nobody ever asked me demos untill i had couple of nice wins vs good players.. from now on i am always recording, but i dont get to play much games, because either ppl dont wanna train with me caus of all this bullshit, or i am busy with gf/life/job..

but when i do get to play games, i will post you demos here on esr.. untill then please stop with lame accusations.

yuka.

<< Comment #402 @ 01:39 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #239

uhm, I think those screenshots would be better suited if you were trying to make a case against eden...

<< Comment #258 @ 10:39 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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TAFKAagardenchair

wahahaha

poof

<< Comment #262 @ 10:58 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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azmo

Maybe he just bought some lessons of stermy?

<< Comment #263 @ 10:59 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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azmo - Reply to #262

I hope that if anyone ever wanna accuse me of cheating they do it through SyncError though.

I would provide demos though ;)

<< Comment #404 @ 01:56 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #263

this http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1715319 tells me you have nothing to worry about as long as you don't dare to improve your aim :o)

<< Comment #273 @ 11:31 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Eclips3

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YRNCOCQ2

<< Comment #276 @ 11:47 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #273

upload on youtube

<< Comment #280 @ 11:59 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #276

I've already watched it a good 30 times. I don't think the world needs it on YouTube. It would probably be more useful if it was a demo or had game sound to verify whether movement above could be detected at all. (Although I dig the soundtrack. ;)

<< Comment #284 @ 12:09 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #280

Badass, Fragma is on Rhapsody.

/me adds Toca's Miracle to a playlist.

<< Comment #302 @ 13:05 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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cYmoZz - Reply to #280

It would really help if you guys would give us smth like ch_showrecordmessage finally. As has been mentioned above, many people don't record any demos because of it and neither do I.

<< Comment #315 @ 14:09 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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yuka - Reply to #280

Eclips3 if you check this video again abit better, you can see the direction of plasma the enemy is shooting @ my m8 thats why i could predict when i saw plasma was goin slowly to right side of the screen as he shoot my m8.. so therefor its easy to determin which side it is,.. also by sound of where bullets come from ..

<< Comment #301 @ 13:04 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Malice - Reply to #276

Here's a YouTube Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twuRH2JeoT0

Also.. why upload videos to "look for cheats" and play music to it?? Kinda beats the whole purpose doesn't it?

<< Comment #278 @ 11:57 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #273

17:50 @mTw|nVc � i am not accusing anyone
17:50 @mTw|nVc � but you wern't a bad player before these "hacks", if they are or arnt
17:50 @mTw|nVc � you can easily play fine without them, but for some reason, maybe this isn't the case, who knows...
17:51 @Chaun|TTrailer � lol
17:52 @mTw|nVc � i just know that you beat bodzo/spart1e
17:53 @mTw|nVc � with almost 50 mg/lg
17:53 @mTw|nVc � and then i was minimized in spec yesterday
17:53 @mTw|nVc � and u lost to strenx like 3 times 18-0 almost
17:53 @mTw|nVc � so we will see as this thread develops
17:53 @mTw|nVc � for now you're best to just let people talk and ignore it :)
17:54 @mTw|nVc � http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YRNCOCQ2
17:54 @mTw|nVc � but there for exampe
17:54 @mTw|nVc � u dont even bother to shoot guy @ pillars
17:54 @mTw|nVc � its like u wait for it to shoot for u or smth ;s
17:54 @mTw|nVc � then when u go up the pad, u guess perfect every time
17:54 @Chaun|TTrailer � :o
17:54 @mTw|nVc � even with sound, this guessing is so perfect
17:55 @mTw|nVc � in every vid posted
17:55 @mTw|nVc � from just one game
17:55 @mTw|nVc � u were either really on fire
17:55 @mTw|nVc � or really weird

That's my comments from all demos posted so far. Yuka you keep arguing that you play with prediction, you didn't in this last demo, why didn't you shoot the guy jumping on pillars? Instead it was almost as if you waited for him to touch your crosshair, i dunno if you have autoshoot, wallhack or smooth aim on... from just 1-2 demos i have seen so much. Threads almost hit my 400 post by tonight estimate.

Edited by nVc at 12:01 CDT, 6 July 2009

<< Comment #304 @ 13:08 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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azmo - Reply to #278

Ive only watched this movie, cause I cant watch youtube at work. But the pillars thing is pretty unfair, at least personally I would probably put my crosshair at the same place as he did and wait for the second jump. Hard to tell though since there is no sound, cheat allegations without sound is almost useless though.

And like you said, those things happen when you are on fire.

If he doesnt cheat then this whole thing is really lame, especially after the anons managed to rage him.

<< Comment #417 @ 03:34 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #278

whats with the mTw tag?

<< Comment #264 @ 11:06 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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yuka

Ok , i wanted to say 1 thing here:

Since careem started this accusations, and he is from same country as i am, so we dont live so far away from eachother, he is free and MORE then welcome to COME TO MY PLACE (i live alone so np) anytime after my work (i work from 8-16cet), i told him that personally on irc, i invite him to come to my place stand behind my computer when i play and show him he can see it for himself.

I am free to accept when he has time to do so.. he can also come to watch me when we got cb official so people dont whine , caus i got nothing to hide , and i am fed up with such stupid accusation and this thread.

yuka.

<< Comment #266 @ 11:09 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #264

You are logged in, you don't need to sign your post.

<< Comment #268 @ 11:30 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #266

heeheh fucking russians

bubble.ru

<< Comment #274 @ 11:32 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #264

now that you've registered, you don't have to sign your posts anymore.
#themoreyouknow

-f0cus.

<< Comment #271 @ 11:31 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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yuka

ye thx Vedic for reminding me i just remembered i actually had an accuont , so i was able to retrieve password and login

*
btw azmo you hax.. i already talked to sync!! cya in banland

<< Comment #297 @ 12:59 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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azmo - Reply to #271

Ive seen screens of banland and it isnt pretty.

<< Comment #397 @ 01:12 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #271

I renamed ur demos to yuka_cheating_demos, to ring a bell, hope you don't mind

<< Comment #269 @ 11:30 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (92-232-187-174.cable.ubr13.smal.blueyonder.co.uk)

Oh Yuka, Why would you wanna stoope this low ?? Alot of you players say we are paranoid, when some of us know him personally I mean this guy was a emotional distressed individual. He would Flip in clan chat when he plays shit, run his mouth to other clans talking about "How We gonna own you tonight in Praccy" and when this didnt happen and scored -60 deaths he would d/c and blame us for losing LOL ???

Then one day he buys a new mouse and out ranks us In every game LOL ??? Seriously alot of players know he was average player who couldnt handle a stressful game. But now his out aiming some of the better players who would rape him in duel left and right... I've seen him first hand, always tried his best got to give him that but never got close, maybe after 1000 games. Now his raping them with ease, In just 1 day of getting a new mouse ??

We all know theres been a bunch of cheaters in the past with quake 1 2 3 etc. But Don't be mistaken that some of us who end up cheating have seen others cheat, a average player with HACKING/BOT software can easily look like a Pro player because he knows what Not to do when ppl are speccing you... Especially with BOTS that allow u to choose how much "Accuracy" you want to average with each gun.. its not hard to look like your not when you are cheating With the technology we have to day....

Its to be expected that some of Us wont recgnize real cheaters... I for one dont give a crap if he is... I mean his not getting payed to Play quake....

<< Comment #277 @ 11:55 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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yuka - Reply to #269

anonymous, atleast have so much ballz to write that your nickname is fragma(most prolly if not i am sry then), If u are i dont wanna start sayin how much emotional stuff you had.. when you sucked or when somebody joked about u. Coming from a person who dont even go away from his home , and thinks he is so much better then me \ rest caus of score which u made playin easiest position ever (ra). whilst u always cried and left clan caus u tought we will loose games. Your a stupid wanker anyway so you can go away with lame comments.

i am not raping anybody i won in close games, get your facts straight, i am not raping anybody, winning one game out of 5 isnt a rape.. and yes my aim was always shit, but that was only thing that was shit (avg movement aswell) and rlly holding me back. Thats why i say mouse helped me in a way to help me aim abit better then before, and gave me more chances vs good ppl.

No go back to your fishing or whatever u do, chasing bulls and all that stories u got to tell , i still stand behind this, careem can come to my place watch me play.. i wont play any worse then i did in those games. he can watch me on official

Edited by iniiiiiiii at 12:38 CDT, 6 July 2009

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Anonymous (92-232-187-174.cable.ubr13.smal.blueyonder.co.uk) - Reply to #277

This is not Fragma you dumb FOOL, your post didn't even make sense, and now your unleashing hate to Fragma who was your friend, that stood up for you when you felt down, but I guess his seen your true colors... And what do you mean you "WON" close games, was it all you or your clan ?? who won the games... Don't sit there on your chair lying to yourself when you clearly know A MOUSE can not improve "AIM TENFOLD" I've seen players like Styl0r beat you and now your raping players like Bodzo ? give me a break, now that the true is out you feel the need to Defend yourself because as we all know, your emotionally challenged like a "female girl" Stop posting shit and send us DEMO's where your on FIRE and not cheating at the same time ... DONT send US demos where your doing shit.... (meaning /BOTOFF) instead of trying to soldier your way through these comments that ppl are saying about you.

PS. The truth will eventually come out :)

Edited by iniiiiiiii at 12:38 CDT, 6 July 2009

<< Comment #287 @ 12:27 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (cust133-dsl93-89-130.idnet.net) - Reply to #277

Fragma here,

Nice one yuka really,i dont even have a blueyonder cable connection.idnet adsl.....

As for not leaving my home,are you that deluded?I have been out mostly between work and fishing, what the hell are you going on about?

"back to your fishing or whatever u do, chasing bulls and all that stories u got to tell"

Actually its usually more like me being chased by them fella..and trying to leg it rofl...

http://fishing-for-memories.blogspot.com

no bullshit and no lies from me this end,please grow up,attacking
someone who has not made that anonymous post.

Stop attacking random people like some wounded tiger.

Edited by iniiiiiiii at 12:43 CDT, 6 July 2009

<< Comment #289 @ 12:30 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #287

haha yeh i used to get chased by bulls when i used to go fishing with my dad when i was younger, good old days :( had to keep a distance of atleast 50meters as we walked through the field to get to the river else they'd charge lol - i miss it

<< Comment #294 @ 12:48 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Disrepute - Reply to #289

got abused by your dad?

<< Comment #293 @ 12:47 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (92-232-187-174.cable.ubr13.smal.blueyonder.co.uk) - Reply to #287

Lol His reading this now thinking "wtf have I done now" You just brought "Fragma" who knows you inside out into this topic, and i feel sorry for you cause him and eden know you to well... to think you lied about not Whinning when you ran your mouth at "FACT" and we lost and blamed us for it =).... trust me dude Dont make me say my name cause if i Do.. and you try PM me I will past everything we say ON ever IRC channel tbh and bring it to the public cause, I for one don't give a crap what ppl think or say about me... so make your call... I will pm you and take you to the most dense Quake live channel ever...

<< Comment #376 @ 18:34 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Bluder - Reply to #293

stop running to your neighbor every half hour its embarrassing Fragma.

<< Comment #444 @ 06:28 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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rax- - Reply to #376

? o_O

<< Comment #566 @ 23:15 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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phz - Reply to #277

How about setting a webcam up to record you playing some of these top players?

<< Comment #267 @ 11:22 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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GUArd

we have way to stop cheats in Q3 (using end game screenshot with open console / Screenshot create date / quake3 must be launched from CNQ3.exe / cheats must be launched from OGC.exe / as i know most cheaters using OGC.exe , etc SOMBRA).

<< Comment #272 @ 11:31 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #267

you're so full of shit it hurts

you know so many people cheat yet cannot ever provide evidence

<< Comment #330 @ 15:20 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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GUArd - Reply to #272

what should i do now? cry?

<< Comment #334 @ 15:38 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #330

suicide

<< Comment #410 @ 03:08 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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GUArd - Reply to #334

then you will feel quilty and make sucide too!

<< Comment #279 @ 11:58 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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sansai

I don't know whether he hacks or not, nor will I bother checking.
But I hope he does.

Because someone using hacks to beat strenx would be quite priceless.

Edited by sansai at 12:01 CDT, 6 July 2009

<< Comment #281 @ 12:05 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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SyncError

I hate the witch hunt of it all. A lot of innocent players get harassed and it never turns out well. Even in the cases when they are guilty it doesn't have to be carried out this way. Posting videos is great for building up drama and gaining some replies, but it'd be much better if any video also came with a link to a demo for actual review. Especially when the game sound is replaced with a soundtrack and you lose half of whats important in evaluating the demo.

Some of these videos are worthless, others make the situation look quite bad for yuka. But I have tools to dig into the demos a bit and would rather see people submit stuff silently to me [email protected] or [email protected] instead of dragging someone through the dirt in public.

8%

<< Comment #291 @ 12:46 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Disrepute - Reply to #281

You didn't see anything in Hotsauce...

<< Comment #306 @ 13:14 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #291

True, I had no desire to side in error when I didn't have enough proof. At that time we couldn't conclude someone was a cheater until we had 100% undeniable proof (only possible when they are blatantly aimbotting.

Since then we've built in our own cheat detection tools and I have new ways to review demos.

<< Comment #325 @ 14:54 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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poros1ty - Reply to #306

It's good to know you guys are working behind the scenes like this.

thank you.

<< Comment #359 @ 16:58 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #306

isnt that a massive chance? the servers all belong to you so in theory you could record demos of all matches and automaticly analyse them with your new tool and ban any cheater you find.

<< Comment #405 @ 02:10 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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unihumi - Reply to #359

I guess these tools aren't fully automated, so that would be a shitload of work. But then again, id could probably record all of yuka's demos.

<< Comment #377 @ 18:39 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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sansai - Reply to #306

Actually I can tell if someone is wallhacking or autoshooting if I can get a hold of enough footage without any tools - there are obvious ways to prove it if you put some thought into it.

But yea, I agree about the rest. There's been a lot of crap thrown at players from whom I've never seen anything fishy, just out of not understanding how they could do this and that, or ignoring the fact that players can spam where they *think* someone might be and actually hit, and so on.

<< Comment #394 @ 00:44 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #377

or ignoring the fact that players can spam where they *think* someone might be and actually hit, and so on.

ja, this is fun to do in game anyway. the amount of time I just spam 2 or 3 pg bolts at a random entrance and hit is silly :D

<< Comment #296 @ 12:55 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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exp! - Reply to #281

it would be better that pb does its job instead of you.

<< Comment #299 @ 13:01 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #281

good to hear, hope ppl will sent you some demos

<< Comment #303 @ 13:06 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Malice - Reply to #281

The demo link is right here:

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1715114#pid1715114

<< Comment #282 @ 12:07 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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c1

I know yuka from q4 and he played shit :D but he played a lot and got better. Nethertheless he didnt reach "pro" level in q4. I didnt played him in ql yet.

and yes he is a nice flaming guy ^^

Edited by c1 at 12:09 CDT, 6 July 2009

<< Comment #286 @ 12:22 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Lethe

burrrrn herrrrrr

<< Comment #396 @ 00:57 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #286

she turned me into a newt
but I got better now

Edited by ScarletJohansonsFather at 00:59 CDT, 7 July 2009

<< Comment #526 @ 13:01 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #396

:D

priceless

if she weighs the same as a duck...

<< Comment #548 @ 16:31 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #526

she's made of wood
(or smth like this)
10 years ago I was fooling a guy into watching the movie, I lied him telling it is quite serious and won all oscars that year, imagine his face when he saw the coconuts horse in the beginning, it was like wtf rofl omfg what za heck is this??

<< Comment #553 @ 18:34 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #548

she's made of wood

and therefore... A WITCH !! !! !!! !!

:D:D:D:D

genius.

<< Comment #561 @ 21:31 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #553

talking about genius:
-That, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped.
-This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.
- Certainly, sir.

<< Comment #562 @ 21:32 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #561

this kind of explanation reminds me of cajeem tbh
xD

<< Comment #292 @ 12:47 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (62.189.169.182)

All evidances point to a cheating Yuka. (I've seen him playing 2 or 3 times this last days and I, along with other people in the server were just amazed by is LG, and strange movement). I didnt record any demos.

But CAREEM, you made a stupid move by not waiting and recording some demos before creating this thread.
Its not that the videos posted here aren't proof, they are, but we could have so much more proof if you had waited.
Now all we are going to see is him, not playing or sucking hard while playing (as he used to), and offcourse he will not be stupid to use cheats after this.

<< Comment #295 @ 12:50 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #292

Agreed. I did horrible mistake to post this without any real proofs.

*edit*
There was CB TDM game which he played. Hopefully admins will request his demo of the match.

It's really weird to me that he doesnt have any of the demos while he played pro gamers.

Edited by CAREEM at 13:06 CDT, 6 July 2009

<< Comment #308 @ 13:17 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (static-77-86-86-157.karoo.KCOM.COM)

Why all these youtube/megavideo vids with music and no1 uploading the demo they came from with just som time framesto pay attention to ?

If ure making vids, especcialy with show normals then u have the freaking demos ? AMIRAIGHT?

<< Comment #317 @ 14:10 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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rax- - Reply to #308

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<< Comment #320 @ 14:28 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Malice - Reply to #317

so much drama for a repost :|

<< Comment #322 @ 14:38 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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rax- - Reply to #320

people seem to have missed the demos in other posts :/

<< Comment #625 @ 09:56 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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koekie - Reply to #322

What demo? Where?

<< Comment #626 @ 09:58 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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rax- - Reply to #625

:DDD

<< Comment #310 @ 13:32 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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terrorhead

Quakelive lol

<< Comment #311 @ 13:43 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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lolvc

http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1246901475806.jpg

<< Comment #328 @ 15:15 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #311

...

<< Comment #382 @ 19:59 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Liam - Reply to #328

Newfag innit.

Or maybe he's a tripfag, who knows, hey maybe we should get that fat nerd advent to explain it for us!

<< Comment #361 @ 16:59 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #311

404 ;)

<< Comment #314 @ 14:07 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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SenT!neL

drama incoming

<< Comment #324 @ 14:49 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (jakz.xs4all.nl)

yuka = hax greetz from jakz :D

<< Comment #323 @ 14:45 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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lolvc

� 20:38 @noVACE � do you have the receipt from when you bought mouse k1ck-yuka ?
� 20:39 @noVACE � or did you buy it online?
� 20:39 @k1ck-yuka � noVACE
� 20:39 @noVACE � maybe you can print screen
� 20:39 @k1ck-yuka � no i didnt buy online
� 20:39 @noVACE � ah k
� 20:39 @noVACE � maybe you got some confirmation receipt from store?
� 20:39 @k1ck-yuka � i can send u tough
� 20:39 @k1ck-yuka � the picture
� 20:39 @k1ck-yuka � of my mouse
� 20:39 @k1ck-yuka � and mousepad
� 20:39 @k1ck-yuka � if u want
� 20:39 @k1ck-yuka � just let me plug the phone
� 20:40 @noVACE � maybe take picture of both in same ^^
� 20:41 @k1ck-yuka � ah old mouse
� 20:41 @k1ck-yuka � i throw it in the trash
� 20:41 @k1ck-yuka � already
� 20:41 @k1ck-yuka � couple of days ago

I guess we just need more demos

Edited by nVc at 14:48 CDT, 6 July 2009

<< Comment #326 @ 15:05 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #323

why would he keep his non-functioning mouse handy? :\

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vedic - Reply to #326

I keep them in case I want to frankenmouse.

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tourist - Reply to #329

cool got any pics of your frankenmice?

<< Comment #389 @ 21:42 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #367

Nah, my only dead mouse right now is a Krait. I bought a few mice from goodwill for about $2 a piece, and I tried to unsolder the sensors off to make smaller custom boards, but I threw most of my projects away when I moved. =/

<< Comment #412 @ 03:13 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #389

is it possible to unsolder a sensor and connect it to the circuitry of another mouse/brand?

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vedic - Reply to #412

Probably not. I'm still new to dealing with hardware itself, but each pin on a sensor has to deal with certain functions, and those pins might have different uses on every sensor. It's likely that if the same manufacturer made it (aglient, for instance) that it could be possible, but I have had little luck so far.

I bought some blank boards from radio shack and looked up the diagrams for each sensor I pulled, but I never got it to a point where I was even able to test it. I did manage to get power to the sensor, and I had a few LEDs to try out, but I don't think it's worth the effort.

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tourist - Reply to #414

think I saw some guy on esr do it once, gonna look it up. I asked an electrician friend of mine once and he said it would be tricky but possible.

here: http://www.sealiesoftware.com/frankenmouse/index.html

Edited by tourist at 03:31 CDT, 7 July 2009

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vedic - Reply to #415

Since they're the same brand, it's likely that they use the same sensor. I think most mice all use only 2 different brands of sensor now anyway, so it might not even be a big deal. I went looking to see if there was any place I could just buy individual sensors, but it looks like they are only sold in bulk. =(

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tourist - Reply to #418

don't think you'd need to bother with sensor at all, the only thing you'd need to figure out is the correct microswitches contacts, ie. attach the existing microswitches to a new sensor assembly.

<< Comment #335 @ 15:41 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #326

why would he not keep his receipt if it was gonna break in 28 days? :)

<< Comment #337 @ 15:43 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #335

well, if I got a mouse that made me go from 'above average' to 'above spartie, bodzo, etc.'. I'd probably throw away the receipt, too. 'Cause man, that mouse is a keeper!

<< Comment #340 @ 15:57 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #337

21:55 @k1ck-eden � cant u show reciept
21:55 @k1ck-eden � of ur new mouse
21:55 @k1ck-eden � and old 1?
21:55 @k1ck-yuka � mmm i always put those papers somewhere i dont ever find again mate
21:55 @k1ck-yuka � and i old mouse is rlly far ago
21:55 @k1ck-yuka � i dont know where that shit is
21:56 @noVACE � you talk so much shit man
21:56 @noVACE � you keep receipt
21:56 @k1ck-yuka � its truth
21:56 @noVACE � incase it breaks
21:56 @noVACE � so what u do if it breaks man
21:56 @noVACE � have shit mouse for next 2 years again
21:56 @noVACE � LOL
21:56 @k1ck-yuka � well it didnt appear broken
21:56 @k1ck-yuka � at start
21:57 @k1ck-yuka � 100eu
21:57 @k1ck-yuka � would break suddenly
21:57 @k1ck-yuka � lol
21:57 @k1ck-yuka � thats abit too much
21:57 @k1ck-yuka � yeh i did shaun
21:57 @noVACE � lol man
21:57 @k1ck-yuka � including the boxes i think
21:57 @k1ck-eden � lol
21:57 @k1ck-eden � 100 euros is a lot
21:57 @noVACE � i mean
21:57 @k1ck-eden � i would keep reciept
21:57 @k1ck-eden � myself
21:57 @k1ck-yuka � in which must he papers been
21:57 @noVACE � receipt of new mouse
21:57 @k1ck-eden � but can u show photos
21:57 @k1ck-eden � of ur g9
21:57 @k1ck-eden � and g9x ?
21:57 @noVACE � i dont care
21:57 @noVACE � u had it for ages
21:57 @noVACE � show us photo of mousefeet
21:57 @noVACE � k?
21:57 @k1ck-yuka � i dont have the old mouse mate
21:58 @k1ck-yuka � i didnt have it for ages
21:58 @noVACE � show us photo
21:58 @k1ck-eden � and about the g9x
21:58 @k1ck-eden � u have?
21:58 @noVACE � of new mouse feet
21:58 @noVACE � the bottom of it
21:58 @noVACE � we will see if it's new :)
21:58 @noVACE � good clear picture
21:58 @noVACE � k?

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21:58 @Chaun|TTrailer � rofl
21:58 @k1ck-yuka � loool i can make picture
21:58 @k1ck-yuka � by phone only
21:58 @k1ck-yuka � only photo i got
21:59 @k1ck-eden � well
21:59 @k1ck-eden � ur phone
21:59 @k1ck-eden � is good
21:59 @k1ck-eden � u can connect
21:59 @k1ck-yuka � so i dunno how clear it is
21:59 @k1ck-eden � it to pc
21:59 @k1ck-eden � as far as i know
21:59 @noVACE � so take it of your phone
21:59 @noVACE � clean the camera with some water and cloth
21:59 @noVACE � then take it in nice light
21:59 @noVACE � k?
22:00 @k1ck-yuka � yeh np
22:00 @k1ck-yuka � but let me find the phone cable and install drivers
22:01 @k1ck-yuka � brb
22:01 @noVACE � i think we maybe also need some text written "yuka" on it
22:01 @noVACE � i think he googles
22:01 @noVACE � ;<
22:01 @Chaun|TTrailer � lol

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22:02 @Chaun|TTrailer � so you got g9 yuka ?
22:04 @Detective_nVc � well
22:04 @Detective_nVc � if i am right in saying
22:04 @Detective_nVc � he had it before
22:04 @Detective_nVc � it broke
22:04 @Detective_nVc � so he got another
22:04 @Detective_nVc � that broke
22:04 @Detective_nVc � so hes gone back to g9
22:04 @Detective_nVc � if my calculations are correct
22:04 @Detective_nVc � that mouse is really old

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22:05 @k1ck-eden � lol
22:05 @k1ck-eden � DETECTIVE
22:06 @k1ck-yuka � ok
22:07 @k1ck-yuka � http://freeweb.t-2.net/yuka/themousethatpwnzhaha.JPG
22:07 @k1ck-yuka � hope the pic is good enough
22:07 @Chaun|TTrailer � that mouse looks used
22:08 @k1ck-yuka � LOOOL
22:08 @k1ck-yuka � well i dont clean it often
22:08 @Chaun|TTrailer � so this is your new mouse
22:08 @Chaun|TTrailer � ???
22:08 @k1ck-yuka � ye
22:08 @Chaun|TTrailer � rofl
22:08 @Chaun|TTrailer � seriously ??

Edited by nVc at 16:09 CDT, 6 July 2009

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lolvc - Reply to #340

my work here is done, everyone else can decide

love nvc.

Edited by nVc at 16:17 CDT, 6 July 2009

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Liam - Reply to #344

Yeah him having a scuffed mouse definitely proves anything ever. Good job chasing down a pointless lead there detective retardo.

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<< Comment #386 @ 20:09 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #383

hes only had it for 2 weeks, and he said thats when he "got good" :p

<< Comment #392 @ 22:18 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #386

For 2 weeks, he'd have to be playing on fucking gravel to do that.

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ix - Reply to #383

At least he can chase things down. Fatty.

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Liam - Reply to #673

Listen I understand you need to make a break for the #1 popularity spot too but jesus christ there's some lines you just don't cross, and encouraging nvc in any way is one of them.

<< Comment #390 @ 22:00 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #340

roooooofl let him write on mouse "yuka"! :D

*edit*

ROFL since when can MOBILE PHONE make the picture so huge? 2592x1944 lolzoror

Edited by CAREEM at 22:18 CDT, 6 July 2009

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becks - Reply to #390

since around 2007

<< Comment #398 @ 01:20 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #337

it's the holy of the holiest mouse who was kept in the church for 30 days and 30 nights by the pope with these writings on its back: lead us not into temptation and give us our daily 50% LG and 50% MG aiming accuracy

<< Comment #332 @ 15:27 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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retire - Reply to #323

Whats your problem? did he beat you in a duel 30-0 or something? he plays smart and cos he's not a big name ppl automatically think 'cheater'. "How can THIS guy be better than ME?".

How can we expect new talent to come through if the community is so childish? Get over yourself, stop posting, and get some evidence.

<< Comment #336 @ 15:42 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #332

little do you know boy

<< Comment #338 @ 15:52 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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retire - Reply to #336

An insecure reply. Can't say I expected anything better from you tbh.

<< Comment #339 @ 15:55 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #338

what do you want me to do? argue with you?

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CAREEM - Reply to #332

you're an idiot

<< Comment #333 @ 15:31 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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GUArd

easy way to fix it!
if player are suspected in cheating, but no 100% proofs, make AUTODOWNLOAD some sort of troyan, then switcing www.quakelive.com (just for suspected payer). check pc from a to z and thats it! shit idea i know :D

<< Comment #369 @ 17:30 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #333

yea great idea because hey, everyone's got the same commercial hack that he's got and will know exactly what to look for.

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son1dow - Reply to #333

Too bad its illegal :<

<< Comment #342 @ 16:01 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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yank3

aha, okay... need to shave balls now

<< Comment #345 @ 16:31 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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B1aDe^

can i just say 1 thing. Shut up diabz you little stain

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sonic - Reply to #345

LOL

<< Comment #363 @ 17:12 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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yuka - Reply to #347

.wrong reply.

Edited by yuka at 17:27 CDT, 6 July 2009

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sonic - Reply to #363

i get the feeling you have made some sort of miscalculation in your reply aim, i heard there's a new mouse out that can guarantee 100% correct clix.
they say it's like spraying your penis with cillit bang

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f0cus - Reply to #374

everytime my penis gets sprayed by clit-bang I have to go rinse or I can't cum.
Damnit Cytheria.

<< Comment #356 @ 16:53 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (p5B3565A7.dip.t-dialin.net)

This smoothaim hack is SO nice to practice plasmagun!!

id use it for training-purposes, seriously.

<< Comment #350 @ 16:42 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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SyncError

Well normally I don't discuss the reviews I've made but I'm going to step in and say a few things:

I just finished some very lengthy reviews of some of his demos. The primary demo in question is the demo of the match that includes firing the railgun at two walls and the two 'miracle rail' shots while going up the pillar jumppad.

After reviewing this demo, I had many great concerns that would lend me to believe that yuka may have been wallhacking. These shots while one might think would be decent signs were actually the least of my worries. There were many other instances where it seemed that players behind walls, often at distances out of sound range were in some way dictating his manner of play -- causing him to alter routes based on extra knowledge from wallhacking. After reviewing the demo twice at low timescales, I found about 15 instances where I was concerned, and only a small handful of instances where it seemed he was not wallhacking (as in greatly surprised by a players position).

I am however not someone to jump to conclusions, especially if it means banning a player for life from something that he loves, and while I cannot speak specifically for yuka, I know many that play feel that Quake is somehow a part of them. So, I continued to review the demo repeatedly making notes of the timestamps and instances where I took issue, and would revisit the timestamp and examine every element in play.

As I did so, every worry that I had was pretty much explained away by fairy standard things, such as a footstep or two that I hadn't heard or properly accounted for upon earlier review. For example with the two miracle rails... It is fairly clear that linkoo has footstep sounds and a rotating plasma stream that places him on the right side of the pad. This is somewhat more difficult to notice in the YouTube videos because all players are heard with keel footsteps, but when reviewing the demo you can clearly hear Linkoo over either yuka's or eden's footsteps. On the second rail kill you can hear Reynir walking to the right as well, and just before yuka makes it up the pad Reynir picks up Linkoo's dropped plasmagun, clearly giving away his position (although only a fraction of a second before yuka reactions and fires). This seems impossible to make out in the linked videos, but seems fairly clear on the demo when not drowned out by all of the friendly Keel sounds.

Furthermore and perhaps more importantly, I found many more instances where yuka was attempting to follow a player behind a wall and that upon them becoming visible he would find that his predicted path was off and he would have to adjust his aiming greatly, or take an entire step back after realizing that someone was around the corner. Several occurrences that showed while he knew a players general location, he could not in fact see them through the walls.

My findings do not in any way attempt to detect whether he was using any sort of aim assistance. This is still a possibility, but its not something easily detectable from this demo outside of a the few miracle shots he did land. My reviews today were mostly to determine if he indeed was wallhacking as I had perhaps presumed upon my initial views of the demo.

I do not believe he was wallhacking. If his new found aiming is due to a mouse or some illegal form of assistance, I couldn't say at this time. But I do think that r_shownormals sometimes makes it clear that someone is wallhacking and at other times can just make you a believer in something that isn't true.

Edited by SyncError at 16:45 CDT, 6 July 2009

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rax- - Reply to #350

By QuakeLive SyncError ++++ - Reply to #276
I've already watched it a good 30 times. I don't think the world needs it on YouTube. It would probably be more useful if it was a demo or had game sound to verify whether movement above could be detected at all. (Although I dig the soundtrack. ;)

(19:40:40) (SyncError) I can already pretty much tell that from my demo reviews this morning.
(19:41:03) (SyncError) I only haven't banned him yet because I'm thorough and like to make sure.

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You rewatch it 2-3 times(?) and now he's not a cheater?

Make up your mind much?

Edited by rax- at 16:45 CDT, 6 July 2009

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SyncError - Reply to #352

That is exactly what I said in my post above. I reviewed the demo multiple times and it looked *very* bad for yuka on my first few inspections.

But I then continued to replay the demo in an effort to be sure of what I was suspecting and then... made up my mind.

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rax- - Reply to #353

This is just history repeating itself. You mention new methods but it sounds to me that all you do is watch the demo with r_shownormals and timescale commands - really well done.

You may as well stick to your accuracy percentage method of banning players, not that it works accurately either.

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retire - Reply to #354

I agree. The methods for catching cheats are just unreliable which probably makes the community more paranoid. Thankfully, SyncError didn't make a hasty decision. Innocent until proven guilty. Online gaming is also a community and a sort of mini-society. The evidence must be 100 percent before banning someone.

Edited by diabz at 14:59 CDT, 18 July 2009

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Liam - Reply to #364

What? No... don't leave...

Seriously I'm not joking, without retards like you, maintaining my popularity is going to be difficult.

Jesus fucking christ Lethe don't leave me too, I NEED YOU, I NEED ALL OF YOU!

<< Comment #379 @ 18:59 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #354

This is just history repeating itself. You mention new methods but it sounds to me that all you do is watch the demo with r_shownormals and timescale commands - really well done.

To be fair SyncError mentioned they had a new method to detect aimbots, not wallhacks.

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ini - Reply to #379

That new method is 90% with over 50 shots.

Style got that and was banned...

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1.style - Reply to #381

it was 90% rail only. (public tdm dm6)

45/50 =)

And I was banned for not cheating.
Yuka is NOT banned for cheating.

<< Comment #357 @ 16:57 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #353

The another fact is bot.

An example, I specced the game live BUT i thought he become so good in very short time. Because of that I didnt record a demo. I'm talking about the game against spartie. I'm 100% sure that there he was using some kind of aim bot. Every fight LG vs LG spartie lost to him. Spartie won that game cos he played really smart since he realised that yuka will outaim him. I doubt even that the current best QL aimer can aim so good as yuka did against spartie at this game. That game yuka had 50% LG and 65% RG. Tbh I have never seen so high accuracy against a pro.

Well this is just weird, maybe he really become so good because of a mouse change, but I dunno.

Edited by CAREEM at 17:42 CDT, 6 July 2009

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SyncError - Reply to #357

Yup, and he could be aimbotting in those instances. Demos of those matches would be nice.

Feel free to send those to me yuka if you don't want them posted online for some reason.

<< Comment #362 @ 17:01 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #360

I didnt record cos I thought he become so good. But after a talk with some people made me think.

Anyway, at least he will stop cheating now. Hopefully! =>

<< Comment #387 @ 20:41 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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apoxic - Reply to #362

If he was cheating, he will stop now that he was "proven not guilty"? That doesnt make any sense.

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Paladia - Reply to #387

Why would he continue if he has everyones eyes on him?

<< Comment #457 @ 08:07 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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apoxic - Reply to #449

As I mentioned, he already got off the hook this time. Wouldnt it be even funnier if he somehow got worse again next week?

<< Comment #458 @ 08:09 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #457

Perhaps his mouse will "break" again? :)

<< Comment #470 @ 08:55 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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apoxic - Reply to #458

Oh yeaaa, damn, he has this covered.. case closed.

<< Comment #368 @ 17:29 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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stripy - Reply to #350

isnt easier for everbalance to actually do smth, then for id employees to waste their time ? i mean they get paid for pb (to put it simply), so i never understood how all those developers/publishers dont pressure them to get their moneys worth.

<< Comment #375 @ 18:27 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #368

ye but PB can only really detect public hacks, if this hack was private it's unlikely it'll ever be detected

<< Comment #421 @ 03:44 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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trippy - Reply to #350

Well said syncerror, so many idiots in the quaking communities that jump to conclusions because of the masses.

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Liam - Reply to #421

Is this trippy? I can't remember.

If it is... well I think it goes without saying, but: it starts with H and rhymes with JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA

<< Comment #499 @ 10:23 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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trippy - Reply to #496

Think I have more of a defensive view on the subject after receiving the same accusations from the masses of sheep in CPM. Sadly forum + random theory + trolls = lynch.

As my girlfriend said to me "why do you care what they say, they mean nothing to you" :o)

<< Comment #509 @ 11:17 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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sonic - Reply to #499

your girlfriend said to me "no no please stop get that huge thing away from me" :o)

or atleast i think that's what she said, was hard to tell with the gag in her mouth n'all.

hi rail0r :o)

<< Comment #514 @ 11:33 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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trippy - Reply to #509

;)

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draven- - Reply to #350

Mr Syncerror, i believe that PB is just not good enough to hold cheats back, we need some new anti cheat program, one that makes screens ingame and sends them to ID perhaps, ESL allready something like that, they are using at ESL (Aequitas) you have to start the program before playing your official games, and upload files (makes random screens of your game) to ESL site else you get disqualified, this would work for official games atleast, for just casual players doubt they would ever use the program. Maybe just a idea

//ps its also scanning your config and binds etc, so if someone has like aimbot binded or some script

Edited by draven- at 09:51 CDT, 7 July 2009

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zealot - Reply to #494

pb is scanning your cfg for obvious or otherwise known commands and it is also capable of taking screenshots during the game. i played on a server where this was enabled and honestly it is the worst you could ever imagine... expect random uberfreezes every few seconds. this is not the way to go sadly enough :/

<< Comment #504 @ 10:57 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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draven- - Reply to #503

well PB is not working now? there so many cheats see youtube and check quakelive cheats

<< Comment #505 @ 10:59 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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zealot - Reply to #504

it is working as i said. checks for obvious/known stuff in cfgs and processes. it's simply much much easier to write a cheat than to detect it unless someone does something stupid :d

<< Comment #507 @ 11:04 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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draven- - Reply to #505

Its working yes, but not doing it job by detecting cheats thats what i ment

<< Comment #518 @ 11:55 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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zealot - Reply to #507

ye, it should for a start update a lot more frequently because that is when the smarter hacks get caught (like vuduu for example) pb is doing very bad job when compared to antivirus/malware companies.

<< Comment #510 @ 11:19 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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hkrep - Reply to #494

These screenshot functions are easily avoided, alot of hacks in ET have a protection for it, they just detect when the screenshot is getting taken(although proper detection wouldnt be needed because you get MASSIVE lag when a pbshot gets taken) and then disable the hook for that moment. And the newer hacks don't work with commands.

Oh and did I mention PB is fucking terrible and just hinders legit players with lagspikes while not even countering the hacks.

<< Comment #534 @ 14:32 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #510

WHAT YOU DOIN HERE?

<< Comment #535 @ 14:47 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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hkrep - Reply to #534

Registered: 5 Jun 2007

I should ask YOU that question.

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Terifire - Reply to #535

lurked before registered

and still 4 times as many posts!

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AL|EN ' - Reply to #350

I'm sorry but if anyone don't consider those shots:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4OCmYunMvc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i8TlBjWvbM
as pure WH then pls give me ONE LAN demo from Q3/QL/Q4 anything that show something similar ok ?

That is oblivious pure WH and he should be baned for life from not only Quake Live, not only for all Quake but from ALL Internet games.

<< Comment #659 @ 16:30 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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KvaZaR - Reply to #594

Well, the second shot is normal. im doing a lot of that kind of shots. Im just calculating im mind when will be my opp when my rai is ready - and shooting even if there is a wall.

But the first shoot was really strange...

<< Comment #899 @ 19:02 CDT, 10 September 2009 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #594

Ban him from LIFE!!!

<< Comment #909 @ 08:11 CDT, 11 September 2009 >>

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AL|EN ' - Reply to #899

Ye !

<< Comment #355 @ 16:52 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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rax-

http://www.movie-moron.com/wp-content/gallery...u-Fail.jpg

Edited by rax- at 16:52 CDT, 6 July 2009

<< Comment #370 @ 17:34 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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tourist

wait you still discussing this cheater? walter you seeing this?

<< Comment #372 @ 17:45 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM

yuka give us the demos of CLAN BASE MATCH and of the game against spartie. And prove us wrong! SSssssssssssssss

<< Comment #746 @ 11:48 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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ultra - Reply to #372

I honestly wish he would, to stop all this speculation. Personally, if this was a thread about myself and I was legit, I'd simply post the demos in question. I mean we're close to 750 replies now.

Yuka, just post your demos to make this stop.

<< Comment #791 @ 22:46 CDT, 10 July 2009 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #746

and.. you don't realise WHY he isn't posting the demos? :p

<< Comment #378 @ 18:50 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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lmx

This Thread will cauze really bad dreams to someone tonight.

A dark ritual has benn placed in here.

<< Comment #385 @ 20:05 CDT, 6 July 2009 >>

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Liam - Reply to #378

I fear nobody will eating pancakes and kissing :(

<< Comment #393 @ 00:42 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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Aaron

hard to pick a biggest moron in this thread :(

<< Comment #403 @ 01:45 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #393

just wait for gillz to post.

19%

<< Comment #419 @ 03:37 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #393

not that hard, when there's nVc.

<< Comment #429 @ 04:08 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #419

lethe puts up a good fight, though!

<< Comment #431 @ 04:09 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #429

he always does.

he always does.

<< Comment #438 @ 04:36 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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link - Reply to #431

i read your post in peter griffins voice.

made me chuckle

<< Comment #439 @ 04:40 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #438

:D

<< Comment #407 @ 02:29 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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Vayne

Nothing more funny than someone trying to blend in they're gameplay with cheating.

<< Comment #453 @ 07:43 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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spartaz0rd

whats the name of the song in the video " miracle maker" ??

<< Comment #455 @ 07:58 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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Martel

Is Yuka in that team/clan called k1ck? Or was?

Or am i totally wrong? :)

I ask purely because i know Syncerror banned k1ck-stunt (or is it style? I dunno) recently for 80/90% RG recently - saw it on IRC, no idea of facts or anything (believe it got removed, like said no idea on facts)

So there is either a "trend" here and k1ck might wanna lose a few games on purpose, keep a low profile =P

Or people should ease up on the insta-accusations

.....or secret option 3, just worry about your own game!

Edited by Martel at 08:09 CDT, 7 July 2009

<< Comment #459 @ 08:10 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #455

yes, it's that yuka.

<< Comment #462 @ 08:29 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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Martel - Reply to #459

wow, 2 players in the "suspicous" firing line - thats not good for team image lol

sh!t happens =)

<< Comment #463 @ 08:40 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #455

Quake Live flags people who get very high percentages with X shots.

In that instance style had 90% railgun with over 50 (the actual amount wasn't revealed) in one round. It was removed after Style talked to SyncError.

<< Comment #810 @ 11:52 CDT, 12 July 2009 >>

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stuntz - Reply to #455

yeah it was me and my 29% acc i addmit it!

<< Comment #460 @ 08:24 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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yuka

I would like to ask author of this thread to kindly remove any accusation \ and links saying "wallhack", as it was prooven to not be the case , by developer himself ( read Comment #351 for more information). And therefor i find this unfair towards me.

If this doesent happen i will speak to ESR admins personally , and make sure you get properly punished for it.

regards.

Edited by yuka at 08:26 CDT, 7 July 2009

<< Comment #464 @ 08:43 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #460

It wasn't "proven" at all.

SyncError, id employee or not is just a guy who watched the demos and decided he didn't believe there is enough evidence to ban you from the whole of Quake Live.

I'm an admin here, there's nothing wrong with his post and he doesn't need to edit it.

<< Comment #466 @ 08:49 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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yuka - Reply to #464

This wasnt the case this time, he checked it several thimes and confired explained every snigle situation shown on those videos is perfectly normal and not wallhack. Read the post again if you didnt understand it. So this videos are making people who dont read all comments , specially the ones important flame\and act rude towards me. So please remove it.

With style and hotsauce it was either automation\ or not even watched closely caus of blatant use of hax. So any sort of accusations, are making people who dont read all comment think counterwise, and are trefor unfair. You can hate me if u like, and you can be admin , but using your feelings and personal stuff towards me is making you a really "credible" one. I ask again, pelase edit the original thread and remove wallhack from it. thats all i ask. Otherwise i ask Nicky to come and check this things out.

regards

Edited by yuka at 08:52 CDT, 7 July 2009

<< Comment #467 @ 08:52 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #466

Just because a guy watches a demo and "explains" every situation as normal to himself doesn't mean a thing.

SyncError isn't any more an authority on cheats than Careem or anyone else who thinks you're a cheat.

I don't have an opinion on you past thinking you cheat. The post doesn't break any rules, and nothing has been proven either way (and it won't be) so there is no reason to edit it.

Edited by iniiiiiiii at 08:54 CDT, 7 July 2009

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yuka - Reply to #467

Your wrong, he is. He is alot more an authority then most other people, caus he doesent have anything personal against me or neither he cares about it , and he unlike most of others , he dont jump to conclusions. Therefor he is the most important post in this whole matter.

The original post has things that should be remove:

"videos of yuka "wallhack" "
and links of it...

Those are clear been prooven not to be wallhack by facts, and simple information like sound\direction of shoots , picked up weapons etc etc which most of you said in your words "experts-same knowledge of checkin demos as syncerror" people.. So its unfair to decieve people with such stuff that has been prooven to be wrong. The videos are also made to be more suspicious , covering up sounds making people think there wasnt any sound etc.. which makes all even more suspicious but that isnt the case here.

So please i ask again to remove it from the original post, or i will speak to proper authorities here on ESR and make sure, they read this stuff.

yuka.

Edited by yuka at 09:02 CDT, 7 July 2009

<< Comment #471 @ 08:56 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #469

Personal opinions against you wouldn't make him an authority on judging if someone cheats, he's not.

Believe all you want that people just "hate" you, but it's not really true and you know it.

But, you know what, I will edit the post a bit.

<< Comment #473 @ 09:06 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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yuka - Reply to #471

I dont wanna make you think otherwise, or any of you guys who think that i hack. That is your personal opinion and u got the right to have it. Wheter its personal or not, i dont know. And to be honest i dont care. But makin videos which are made on the way which covers up sounds\uses same models for all, and focuses on weird part on a way to make it look more and more suspicious then it really is, and lots of you people jumping towards it and not even taking time to check it abit further tells me alot about people personal problems towards "me". People just want this to be true, therefor they dont bother to check things out abit more detailed and give equal chance to both guys accusing and the accused guy. Therefor your posts are blatans and decieving.

regards.

<< Comment #477 @ 09:11 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #473

Spectator demos always use the same models, POV demos have correct models.

Sound can be difficult to record unless you have the correct applications, I'm pretty sure they aren't intentionally trying to cover things up.

Post some POV demos (from before the 5th July) and maybe someone will make some with sound and proper models!

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ins ' - Reply to #473

vai morrer longe fdp .|.

<< Comment #472 @ 09:05 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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apoxic - Reply to #469

You might want to read his post again.

The only thing he personally feels, is that you dont use wallhack. He doesnt mention any other possible cheats.

<< Comment #475 @ 09:08 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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yuka - Reply to #472

i did read it very well, and all accusations in this thread \in those videos show and accuse me of using WALLHACK not once i saw somebody say that those videos show me or accuse me of aimbot.. therefor i demand them to be edited properly.

thats all i am saying, and to clear things up even more, i will be record demos in future, and post em to syncerror to see that my aim is perfectly normal and not aimbot.

regards.

<< Comment #476 @ 09:11 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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apoxic - Reply to #475

Um, ok.

I like your demands, makes you sound powerful.

Edited by apoxic at 09:21 CDT, 7 July 2009

<< Comment #547 @ 16:23 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #475

oh by all means, please record a demo where you beat spartie with 50% lg.

<< Comment #474 @ 09:07 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #469

You don't seem to understand that nothing has been proved for or against. Just because SyncError has decided not to ban you doesn't mean a thing.

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yuka - Reply to #474

Its not that he decided not to ban me, but he has clear prooven that in those videos there is no sign of wallhack and after watching normal demos every situation can be explain by simple facts any good player should notice. BECAUSE OF THOSE SAME VIDEOS, most of people was accusing me and makin alot of drama about it,.. yet those videos blatantly decieve people into thinking something that is not true. I find that ufnair towards me

Thx for editing the thread.

<< Comment #479 @ 09:15 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #478

He hasn't "clear prooven" anything, it's just his opinion...

Lets make things clear, after watching the demos multiple times in normal and slow speeds SyncError decided that he couldn't be sure enough to ban you or accuse you.

That's totally different to prooving you didn't/don't cheat.

<< Comment #480 @ 09:20 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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Martel - Reply to #479

ha ha i like your style, very elusive

like trying to catch lightning in a bottle lol

<< Comment #481 @ 09:20 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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yuka - Reply to #479

from syncerror post.

I do not believe he was wallhacking. If his new found aiming is due to a mouse or some illegal form of assistance, I couldn't say at this time. But I do think that r_shownormals sometimes makes it clear that someone is wallhacking and at other times can just make you a believer in something that isn't true.

what more dont u understand? saying that he didnt find enough proof is decieving again , making it look like he thinks i wallhack but doesent have proof.

Please do not reply anymore with things that are not true because i dont have anymore time to answer you.

Regards.

<< Comment #483 @ 09:24 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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apoxic - Reply to #481

If his new found aiming is due to a mouse or some illegal form of assistance, I couldn't say at this time.

What is it that you dont understand?

<< Comment #484 @ 09:26 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #481

That's the opinion of one person, who couldn't tell that Hotsauce was cheating (He was so blatant).

Sorry if I don't value his opinion all that much when he hasn't played you and has only watched one demo and agonisingly looked for tiny reasons to bring doubt to his initial gut feeling.

Guess what, there's a lot of research that shows gut feelings are very often correct and further analysis can bring doubt to the correct feeling and cause wrong decisions to be made.

<< Comment #485 @ 09:27 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #481

why didin't you put this part in bold writing?

If his new found aiming is due to a mouse or some illegal form of assistance, I couldn't say at this time.

<< Comment #487 @ 09:30 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #485

Because he's asking for the "wallhack" stuff to be removed (Probably because he does wallhack and wants that to be considered cleared) because SyncError "prooved" it.

<< Comment #488 @ 09:33 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #487

so we may post videos named "BLATANT AUTOSHOOT by YUKA" ?

<< Comment #489 @ 09:33 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #488

Yeah, anyway I removed the direct accusations from the original post.

So all should be well now.

<< Comment #490 @ 09:35 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #487

in any case there is a difference between prooving and believing, and you might wanna explain it to yuka ;)

<< Comment #515 @ 11:40 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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Malice - Reply to #481

Basically SyncError said nothing new at all.

At first he stated he saw some very suspicious things and was initially pretty much convinced you were cheating.

Of course seeing how *everything* can one way or another be explained by little details when you rewatch the demo in slow motion for over 10 times... he concludes he has no hard evidence which would allow him to ban u.

That just puts us where we started.

Edited by Malice at 11:44 CDT, 7 July 2009

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vedic - Reply to #481

Can you read? You even made it bold. He said

I do not believe

BLIEVE, not "He did not". Sync is capable of a 20% LG; he's about as much of an authority on Quake-related matters as Jamerio.

<< Comment #543 @ 15:31 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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Raist - Reply to #469

SyncError has authority over matters of qlive, in qlive. If he believes you did not cheat that just means you got off the hook in qlive.

Esreality is another matter, most ppl don't seem to be convinced yet in here so its natural for the admin not to rename the thread.

SyncError is a respected person because he is the link between qlive development and the community, but most people would uphold the opinions of players who are considered good (and have been known longer, like Fox etc) over his opinions in this matter. So I really doubt you cleared your name in any way yet, just didn't get banned.

<< Comment #465 @ 08:43 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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zealot - Reply to #460

don't be silly. the "authority" in question has proven in the past how little he knows about quake and possible hacks (see hotsauce, see style). properly punished... whatever.

<< Comment #468 @ 08:54 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #460

If this doesent happen i will speak to ESR admins personally , and make sure you get properly punished for it.

lol
You're new here, aren't ya?

<< Comment #486 @ 09:28 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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Torzelan ' - Reply to #468

Watch out, he might know Sombra's dad

<< Comment #516 @ 11:50 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #486

=]]]]]]]]]]] +

<< Comment #492 @ 09:45 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #460

While I agree that it would be unjust to state in the original post that it has been proven that you wallhack, that isn't the case here.

What he says is "Is YUKA using a wallhack?:" above the links, hence he asks a question. This is a discussion forum and he leaves the question open for discussion, there is nothing wrong with that.

For now, if anything, this thread clears your name in the sense that it cannot be confirmed that you are using any wallhack, so if anything, it should remain for that purpose. Of course, it doesn't say you arent using any hacks but as it's almost impossible to prove that something has NOT happened, it's almost as good.

<< Comment #493 @ 09:49 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #492

Before it was "examples of yuka using a "wallhack":" which wasn't that bad anyway, but I thought, why not edit the wording a bit.

<< Comment #495 @ 09:50 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #493

I agree, it should have a question mark afterwards. We don't want an unjust witch hunt after all.

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yuka - Reply to #493

Thats is all i wanted, and i thank you for editing it this way.

I understand the difference and i perfectly agree on this one. Anyone can believe whatever they personally feel like.

I just dont want people to be decieved,not many ppl read more then first post..specially when there is 480 comments..

The reason i not bolded stuff about aimbot:

I dont remember anybody saying those demos have any sort of aimbot\autoshoot, beside of few luck shots , right the opposite, many people stated that my aim is bad on times and misses alot. And in those demos its perfeclty evident i am not using any sort of autoshoot/bot.. you can see i always fire myself aswell.

Besides i am planning to make some sparring games with good people soon and record some demos, post em to syncerror and here , as soon as i got some time to train and be in shape, as at the moment i am working too much and dont have alot of time.

regards.

<< Comment #498 @ 10:15 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #497

I'll link to SyncErrors reponse too I guess.

<< Comment #511 @ 11:23 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #497

you did miss quite alot, damn those walls

<< Comment #555 @ 19:27 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #497

"Besides i am planning to make some sparring games with good people soon and record some demos, post em to syncerror and here , as soon as i got some time to train and be in shape, as at the moment i am working too much and dont have alot of time."

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

<< Comment #508 @ 11:11 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #460

Nothing was proven. I said "I do not believe". I very much mean what I say, and if I find proof of something, I say that I do.

<< Comment #556 @ 19:42 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #508

For fairness sake I think it should be noted that if you find proof of him being guilty you would say so, not the other way around, as you will never find proof that someone is not using cheats.

So for him, this was the best possible outcome.

Edited by Paladia at 19:42 CDT, 7 July 2009

<< Comment #461 @ 08:26 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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c1

how did he improved his aim with a new mouse?

<< Comment #491 @ 09:44 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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draven-

sombra show part 2

<< Comment #500 @ 10:33 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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azmo - Reply to #491

Part 1 was better :/

<< Comment #720 @ 08:37 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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EKSelenc - Reply to #500

Word.

<< Comment #513 @ 11:29 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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lolvc

http://clanbase.ggl.com/warinfo.php?wid=8960347

http://clanbase.ggl.com/warinfo.php?wid=8960363

look at the scores and accuracy man :\ it's only a matter of time. Both played before his new mouse.

a new g9x: http://static.digitaltrends.com/images/reviews/logitech-g9x/2.jpg

his g9x: http://freeweb.t-2.net/yuka/themousethatpwnzhaha.JPG

Edited by nVc at 12:09 CDT, 7 July 2009

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CAREEM - Reply to #513

lol he got totally raped by an avarage player, but now he rapes pro with acc 45-55% in total... dunno, but isnt that weird? magic mouse?

<< Comment #522 @ 12:22 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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yuka - Reply to #520

so your saying my accuracy is the problem here? or what?

http://www.quakelive.com/#profile/matches/yuk...82/Tourney

so what u got to say about that? opponent not good enough?oh wait maybe my aim was incredible right? u must think my mg was top anybody ever done?

now u gonna say accuracy is not the point, yet in every other chance u get, you mention the accuracy as the only fact given to raise a suspicion.

Why you people think they pasted stats from game i lost vs spartie? and not the games i won? :) check them and see for yourself.

and i dont get whats wrong with that pictures?using some mousefeets which get dmged pretty quick ..besides my steelpad sx is made out of aluminum and its pretty rough on mouse new or not.. so ofc after couple of weeks of seirous play its not exactly perfect.. i dont see what ure problem is here

the fact here is , i got raped by avg players all the time on and off clanbase 1v1 duel caus at the time i didnt have the mouse yet, and imagine playing with half dead mouse, in a game which u need to win or want to win , you just get raged all the time and start doing stupid stuff,.. i basicly knew already i couldnt win as my aim wasnt hittin at all and i had hard time moving on the map , failed normal jumps etc.. this is the reason why.. if i would play those people now i wouldnt get raped\ whether u would be speccing\recording or gtv was on or somebody standing behind my computer.

Edited by yuka at 12:28 CDT, 7 July 2009

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CAREEM - Reply to #522

yuka: "so your saying my accuracy is the problem here? or what? "

rofl, are you seriously so dumb?

yuka: "the fact here is , i got raped by avg players all the time on and off clanbase 1v1 duel caus at the time i didnt have the mouse yet, and imagine playing with half dead mouse"

There is still waiting for you one of the best gaming mices, why didnt you get a mouse instead? Travel 5-10 km's to get a new gaming mouse?

Edited by CAREEM at 12:50 CDT, 7 July 2009

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lolvc - Reply to #513

18:39 Detective_nVc � can u re uplaod picture of mouse?
18:39 Detective_nVc � or you have something to hide?
18:40 k1ck-yuka � erm its uploaded?
18:40 Detective_nVc � nope
18:40 Detective_nVc � u deleted it
18:40 k1ck-yuka � ???
18:40 k1ck-yuka � http://freeweb.t-2.net/yuka/themousethatpwnzhaha.JPG
18:41 Detective_nVc � see
18:41 Detective_nVc � The requested URL /yuka/themousethatpwnzhaha.JPG was not found on this server.
18:41 k1ck-yuka � oh shit
18:41 k1ck-yuka � let me check
18:41 k1ck-yuka � what happened
18:44 k1ck-yuka � nVc seems my ftp dropped
18:44 k1ck-yuka � i cannot connect to it anymore or something
18:44 k1ck-yuka � reup the pic yourself
18:44 k1ck-yuka � gotta go out now
18:44 k1ck-yuka � gf waiting

Btw ;) http://freeweb.t-2.net/yuka

Edited by nVc at 13:07 CDT, 7 July 2009

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CAREEM - Reply to #524

hahahahaha :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Im so curious for this excuse now! :DDD

Edited by CAREEM at 12:54 CDT, 7 July 2009

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yuka - Reply to #525

it seems i can connect to it again, it was a problem with this new win7 i just installed (the new rtm build wohoo) ,couldnt connect using flashfxp out of some reason firewall whatever, nice posting all my personal files, ill reup the picture later ,because i have to rlly go out now!! but i dont see why you cant do it yourself.

talk to you all later.

<< Comment #529 @ 13:07 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #527

Nice job hiding it all, e.g.

http://freeweb.t-2.net/yuka/vsrex.rar

had some examples of download links saved this time incase you tried that... but i do wonder what dodgy files you had up on it ;) did you panic?

By the way:

your g9x: (careem's friend saved it) http://www4.slikomat.com/09/0707/c4n-themou.jpg

new one: http://static.digitaltrends.com/images/reviews/logitech-g9x/2.jpg

Edited by nVc at 13:14 CDT, 7 July 2009

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CAREEM - Reply to #527

Ok, no problem we have saved the pic of your "new" mouse.

I bought a mouse 2 months ago. I can show u the account of a mouse and warranty list. You wont belive me, my mouse is still shining and it looks like a brand new mouse from a store.

Mouse of yours: http://www4.slikomat.com/09/0707/c4n-themou.jpg <- this looks to me old at least 1year if not more :)

Edited by CAREEM at 13:21 CDT, 7 July 2009

<< Comment #533 @ 14:28 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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yuka - Reply to #530

loool your funny, hahaa what are u kindof expert of determin wheter mouse is 2-3 weeks old or 1year?How do u know how i use it , or do you even know i use it on aluminium pad? In case u wonder, i use mouse straps some basic ones help a little but gets cracked soon that why it looks like used.. glad you guys saved it saves me the trouble to reupload would have to connect phone again and drivers dont work for win7 i think, i said upload it yourself since i know u got the picture ..

well i dont have nothing to hide, demos vs rex were downloaded by many people its from slovenian tournament,.. hope u saved the files and look at it :) but i had many cutten demos\clips from my upcoming quake4 movie, (and also a preview of the movie i think which i dont want everybody to see right now before real movie gets out. ), ofc you gonna say U LIE U LIE, but well ask the guy thats making the movie, his nickname is zuphrin , he is on #code7 on irc.

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CAREEM - Reply to #533

demos of rex? since two months ago? we are talking since 2-3 weeks ago. Stop with bullshit since you exactly know the situation. And admit finally as u did in q2 / cs when people really caught you with proofs. Anyway, soon or later we will have proofs.

In the end you can be lucky that I belived in you when u played pros and havent recorded you.

Shame on you that you have to cheat since you could be a solid player in time and slovenians could be proud on you.

Edited by CAREEM at 16:17 CDT, 7 July 2009

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yuka - Reply to #546

yet again u show your constant failing , i dont even wanna answer you anymore but since i find it funny,

my comment about demos of game vs rex, was replying to this:

nvc posted :

http://freeweb.t-2.net/yuka/vsrex.rar

had some examples of download links saved this time incase you tried that... but i do wonder what dodgy files you had up on it ;) did you panic?

so dont say shit , you dont even read and comment whatever u feel like, caus your head is incapable of thinking anything else then your retareded life. What do you do every day? Live in your shitwhole and envy people that do better then u? And get your dick up hyping your self with "names" and "accuracy" , i am not even suprised you think i hack casu anybody with number bigger then 40 on acc is for you either a total pwng omg pro or a hacker, specially when it comes to my name.

and again u gonna make a reply which wont have to do anything with this , and will say some third stupid shit ..

really if u so convinced that i am a hacker then why dont u come to meet me and check for yourself? Its afteall like you say 10-15km you can also bring me the mouse i earned, so i can sell it caus its shit. And why didnt u ever post stats from games i won vs spartie? but rather posted a game i lost.

have a nice sleep :)

Edited by yuka at 16:52 CDT, 7 July 2009

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lolvc - Reply to #549

you're actually retarded, examples of links incase u wanted to claim they magically got deleted by mistake, like your picture of the mouse you deleted because you realised that it looks older than 2 weeks.

Edited by nVc at 18:45 CDT, 7 July 2009

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CAREEM - Reply to #549

10-15km? rofl
it's about 180km

some one else will come to visit you instead and we will see if you will have 45-55% lg and 60-65% rg against strenx / spartie. But now I think you will never have time for someone to visit you, but we will see.

And yeah, hopefully u wont disappoint us with your accuracy and score (18-33%) and rape by strenx / spartie. Make sure you will rape strenx / blanka and bodzo again for 10-15 frg difference.

ah ps: "yuka: Tbh its easy to beat bodzo" I think with bot, yes! Without it, no! But we will see.

hf

Edited by CAREEM at 20:53 CDT, 7 July 2009

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- Z - - Reply to #533

So, you record demos in Q4 but not in QL? oh.. silly me.. QL is so much more hardware demanding...

PS: the preview of your Q4 movie looks very cool

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yuka - Reply to #569

thanks.

no i can record both, hardware is not the problem why i didnt record, its the recording msg that annoyed me so much. In quake4 u dont have any msg when u enake auto record.. so its no problem recording it.

for those people who got themselves my preview of q4 movie , please dont send it around because i dont want it to be released before movie comes out. Also in that preview u can see tons of shoots that are 10000 better then any shoot posted in this thread. So accusing me to go from zero to hero is kindof biased or saying i only had movement, and sayin about abso beeing much more, the best frags are made on him.. .

I ll stop posting now so you people will be happy and can flame me more :)

regards

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AL|EN ' - Reply to #592

You are nothing by lame wallhacker. I've seen those kind of shots many times in NoGhost cheaters demos. SyncError obiousy made mistake not baning you. And you words mean nothing because cheaters will say ANYTHING just to talk bullshit about "it's new mouse" Last cheater witch was catch in Polish ODC Online tourney was acting the same way as you so stop trying - you are lost and get the fuck out from Quake community.

<< Comment #614 @ 09:10 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #592

ahhaah better than that post? in your fragmovie you didn't shoot walls man

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zuphrin - Reply to #592

This post made me laugh. Now that you made such a ridiculous post, I wish you good luck on getting this movie released. The biggest part of the frags were pretty average and I had to make the best out of them and you won't even lose a single word about who made the video and even more refer the movie to yourself. Let the ego out, hell yeah! And now that you even cheat it would be pretty dumb for me to be releasing this video because it would let me look like an idiot that makes movies of cheaters.
I always kinda liked you, but with this cheating thing, with this selfish attitude saying that it is all your movie (done by yourself ofc) I pretty much lost my intention on doing this average movie.

gl & hf anyway with cheating and getting "your movie" released.

Edited by zuphrin at 06:14 CDT, 9 July 2009

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rax- - Reply to #694

To be fair, he did mention you here: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1716313#pid1716313

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MaNi_DaDuDe - Reply to #694

Same. I always looked up to you yuka. Don't know why you had to ruin your reputation with hacks. >:|

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zuphrin - Reply to #797

It seems like you look up to everybody. :}

<< Comment #802 @ 08:45 CDT, 11 July 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #694

As you must have studied his demos quite excessively if you are making a movie of him, does it seem like he cheats?

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zuphrin - Reply to #802

Well it was a Q4 movie, so the only thing I can say is that he doesn't cheat in Q4, dunno about QL.

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Paladia - Reply to #803

I mean you must have watched so many demos of him playing without cheat, so you should be able to see if something is different now.

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zuphrin - Reply to #804

Ah :p well yeah there is quite some difference between the demos and the videos posted above.

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Erk - Reply to #530

What is it about that picture that makes you think the mouse is old? To me it looks like the front mouse foot hasn't even been broken in yet. Stick to what is at least plausible evidence when accusing people. Not sure if Yuka cheats or not, but some of the comments in this thread looks more like a personal vendetta than a serious hunt for evidence.

Edited by Erk at 06:25 CDT, 8 July 2009

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vedic - Reply to #579

Eyes. Use them.

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Paladia - Reply to #586

So people can make a fair call themselves, I took a similar (but much higher quality and with flash) picture of my own mouse, which is in fact fairly old, so you can see how a 4 month old mouse really looks like.

Attached Misc File: 70373-DSCN7443.JPG (1909KB)

Edited by Paladia at 07:21 CDT, 8 July 2009

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vedic - Reply to #588

tbh, if someone needed additional pics to understand that, they don't have any business in this thread to begin with. =P

<< Comment #598 @ 07:58 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #593

Well, I did it for myself mainly, as I wanted to see the difference :)

<< Comment #629 @ 11:27 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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linkoo - Reply to #588

Have the same one except the skates at the top are ruined, about 4months also :p

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Paladia - Reply to #629

My top is almost in mint condition. I assume it is because I lay all my weight on the back :)

<< Comment #800 @ 08:08 CDT, 11 July 2009 >>

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browser - Reply to #588

http://yfrog.com/0pimg3568mj
compared to a brand new one

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Erk - Reply to #586

The picture is what a G9 looks like, which has a glossy finish underneath. Only thing worn on his mouse is the teflon, though the light reflections may give an impresion of it being worse than it really is. My G9, which has barely been used (about 3 weeks and then put away cause I dislike the shape) looks more worn than his underneath.

Edited by Erk at 09:43 CDT, 8 July 2009

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Fejl(Folklore) - Reply to #513

http://freeweb.t-2.net/yuka/themousethatpwnzhaha.JPG
Doesn't work:/

<< Comment #519 @ 12:00 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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wata

anyway you can expect tons of cheaters in a free game, on and on and on

<< Comment #528 @ 13:05 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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rax-

He didn't even watch a demo of Style. He just listened to the good word of his fellow team mates. He plays for UK national squad and has done for years. There's nothing suspicious about HIM hitting 90% rail vs new players on FFA - his best gun has always been rail.

My fakenick was banned due to high accuracy, I'm not cheating. There's a difference between hitting high accuracy vs new players and hitting it vs pro's (and winning), when previously you hit crap and get raped by anyone.

Hotsauce was blatantly cheating though.

<< Comment #536 @ 14:49 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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frs

If something, this thread seems like a personal vendetta against yuka by nvc and careem.

<< Comment #540 @ 15:00 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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ouzonen

Some people just get better when things click, some wont (nvc)... Not a reason to get mad about though...

<< Comment #551 @ 17:19 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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num3

I see the internet detectives are hard at work...

<< Comment #552 @ 18:31 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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BalkanFM

who else would resort to cheats, but someone that cares so much...

if theres an online tourney, only let lan proven players play or trusted ones. for fun games, just dont play the guy if you think he cheats. simple shit.

<< Comment #554 @ 18:37 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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vedic

This deserves a poll.

<< Comment #565 @ 23:02 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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linkoo - Reply to #554

Yes so his e-boyfriends from q4 will vote "NO WAY HE WAS MY CLANMATE HE WOULD NEVER" after ignoring the fact that he's cheated in 2 other game. and refusing to give out demos from requested games.

<< Comment #557 @ 20:15 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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fag with no name

Obviously a cheater.

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CAREEM

from 1 of my previous post: "yuka give us the demos of CLAN BASE MATCH and of the game against spartie. And prove us wrong! SSssssssssssssss "

Dunno, but is he really ignoring every time i post this about CB tdm demos?

<< Comment #564 @ 22:49 CDT, 7 July 2009 >>

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linkoo

..

Edited by kristjansson at 22:49 CDT, 7 July 2009

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butcher_kgp ' - Reply to #564

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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terrorhead - Reply to #564

lawl

<< Comment #568 @ 02:07 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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26671

I think it's hard not to feel convinced after hearing about how he got banned in multiple games aside from QL. Those two rails in the wall in that TDM video are very fishy, too, and almost defy common sense -- who in their right mind would predict that the opponent is, at that exact instant, behind a wall, and despite not having seen him in their line of sight at any point when they peeked, "hit" his actual location behind the wall?

For what it's worth, afaik he was only renowned in Q4CTF for his good movement -- namely, good rocket boosting and rocket jumps. Pretty sure abso garnered a lot more attention in the aim department.

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Vayne - Reply to #568

Yeh that doesn't make sense to me, player is in sight and miss the 1st rail but the 2nd rail and x-hair is dead on the model th3 2nd shot this time but he's behind a wall though.

Edited by Vayne at 05:04 CDT, 8 July 2009

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Eclips3

http://www.dkirk.ukfsn.org/demos/plasa2.dm_73
Imho for those who checked this demo with r_shownormals 1 it is obvious that he used wallhack.

The youtube videos are focusing on frags only, but he always knows where the enemy is even then when he is not hitting/fragging.

10-15 dodgy movements: reacting to a guy at rg who is not moving at all. Then he is shooting a guy who is falling down from lg to sg. He is aiming always at the right spots at pillars too. It can happen sometimes, but not all the time.

Yuka is a wallhacker.

<< Comment #582 @ 06:32 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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yuka - Reply to #580

stop saying bullshit and read syncerror post about it , its all explained there and all obvious, from this movies you cannot see\hear most of the valuable information which obviously explains i didnt use wallhack, just go read the post i cba to explain anymore writing this from work gotta go back to it

regards

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light - Reply to #582

You can easily prove that you're legit. take a videocamera and record some matches with the camera showing your mouse, screen and keyboard, i did that on youtube( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJZJXDxlS0M ). Also you can just supply some more demos judging from the interest in the many comments i'm sure a lot of people would take a look at these demos and surely that would clean you if you're legit. You have to consider that what speaks against your legitimacy is that you were caught cheating in 3 different games, even though you say one of the games you were caught was because of a warez version of COD4, there are still the other two examples. However all 3 occurences only happened because you actively did something you were not supposed to do, and now you're in a complete mess because of it.

Anyways, i looked at a few of the clips, and i have doubts, but again it would be easy to prove that you're legit, rather than ranting over and over in this thread which won't help you. Come up with some nice video where you rape bodzo easily on camera, i'd love to see that.

<< Comment #591 @ 07:32 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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LoCK - Reply to #589

Although, all that show us is that he doesn't cheat right then.

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rockz ' - Reply to #589

nice

<< Comment #609 @ 09:00 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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juvenile delinquency - Reply to #589

ye lemme load my demo and pretend i'm playing in-real time

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light - Reply to #609

i didn't try that, maybe you can try and make it look like you're playing a demo live? I think you can easily see that you're not playing, at some point you will make mistakes, especially if you get the raw .avi file where the sound is not out on synch like on youtube. Anyways, was just an easy way for him to prove himself legit.

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tourist - Reply to #679

it would work against wh but do you think you could tell if he's using a bot?

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light - Reply to #700

well, the thing is, if he do a video, (which i don't think he will) he will have to do good in order to not look completely retarded, the demo of the same game would easily dismantle and show if there was any hacks involved, in such a video you can hear mouseclicks when you shoot, unless he have loud speakers on as i did(while having the same sound in my headphones) it would be easy to tell if he actually clicks the same time something happens on the screen. And that is because the videocamera doesn't care about delay or whatever, it records what i sees, so you can accurately down to a few ms(cause of the game) see if they mouseclick of a rail is him clicking or a bot, there will be a click at that almost exact moment, where if i understand these bots correctly, they will shoot for him and give no click. I think it would prove a lot. I mean, even if he cheated while filming i think someone will notice, heck someone in my video was even able to tell that i was watching discovery HD and that the program was "ultimate survival" heck i didn't even know that :P he just can't cover up a video as well.

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tourist - Reply to #730

the new bots only aid you once you press fire, hence the clicks won't tell you a thing. they also don't jump blatantly on the target but rather move slowly and smoothly with missing some shots to look more believable.

it's really easy to conceal, he just aims normally, only now he's hitting much more. it would be almost impossible to tell.

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light - Reply to #740

you'd still see quite the difference on the movie i think. :) - anyways it was just a suggestion, i think its a good way to settle it. Yes you can fiddle with almost any evidence, but at least it would be something.

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tourist - Reply to #743

how would you see it? can you judge by a milimeter movement of his hand weather he hit or missed a shot?

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light - Reply to #744

i guess only his video can tell, if he makes one, which again i think he won't as he already decided not to post the clanbase demos as requested. Theres just too many loose ends in his stories and a clear unwillingness to shed light on the matters to make him seem legit and yes even if you can fiddle with video material him posting it would make him look more legit at least imo.

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tourist - Reply to #749

not that it matters since he practically admitted it but videos aren't cheat proof.
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1717203#pid1717203

<< Comment #616 @ 09:16 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #589

good idea indeed, although you need a decent camera

<< Comment #628 @ 11:07 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #589

nice setup. I wish we could get angles like this of tourney matches. I'd love to see players hand movement with mouse while they're actually playing, it's interesting to me the different styles

<< Comment #680 @ 02:29 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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light - Reply to #628

Yea i find it interesting too, i think more players should do it, you learn something when you see yourself play as well.

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ia - Reply to #589

Actually that lends itself to a pretty cool idea...

Which is that I'd love to see a well known top player do this for some of their normal matches. Like Stermy or someone. You'd see physically how they were aiming at each point, see how it looked from their pov, and also just watch the replay. Solid all around.

Does your wrist get sore? You have a fairly high sens, keep your wrist bent all the time, and never move your arm around.

Edited by ia_ at 22:51 CDT, 8 July 2009

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light - Reply to #675

i'm a top player in cpm :p or was, my wrist doesn't get sore, not the slightest :) the only problem i have is that i get a bit tension in my fingers when i play stressed games, which might be an early clue of RSI, but it only appeared when i switched to the deathadder so i guess sometime when i switch to another mouse i will get rid of that. And yes, i realise my sens seems very high, it probably is, and its probably a problem when i get nervous making it much harder to aim. But for cpm as i play, and now kept the same sens in QL actually it works pretty good, i have solid aim and lose games because of my agressive style rather than being outaimed, which is a good thing. :)

<< Comment #717 @ 08:31 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #678

yeah, I had the same issue with the D.A. I had god only knows how many posts about loving/hating that mouse. I've been back on the I.E. 3.0 for some time now, and no problems since.
D.A. is a great mouse, I think it just needs better lips on the side for lifting, it's too smooth and tapered, making you grip work twice as hard to pick it up as the 3.0 (it's also slightly heavier, but I don't really consider that a con).

<< Comment #729 @ 09:21 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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light - Reply to #717

yes, i have some mousegrip on the sides otherwise its too hard to lift, its easy enough with that though, and the accuracy of the mouse is really nothing like else i've tried, it's very good imo.

<< Comment #636 @ 12:11 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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linkoo - Reply to #580

I actually remember that frag, where he came from the door below and just shot there right away as a "spam" rail ? I've played my fair share of 2v2s but these games were one of the few crazy ones.

<< Comment #583 @ 06:46 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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xy-

I have always hated yuka and I always will, a little dumb kid from some 3rd world country who flames everyone who says something to him. And you really do think you are something yuka, that's the worst part. "OH, I PLAY FOR K1CK SO SHUT UP RANDOM", like k1ck has ever been a stable organisation?

I mean come on man, I would have been proud to get such a thread about me using cheats when I wasn't even cheating, but you sit here and reply to every single damn post so I think it's pretty obvious you used/are using some random aimbot.

<< Comment #584 @ 06:50 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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trippy

I watched yuka duel not long ago and the server he was on was at my skill level, himself and the guy he was playing vs both seemed average. Now to hear 2 weeks later he's beating blanka, bodzo and spartie this is shocking :o)

<< Comment #595 @ 07:52 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM

still ignoring the requested TDM demos of CB? lol

I can't belive my eyes

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yuka - Reply to #595

Comment #592 @ 14:33 CEST, 8 July 2009

scroll to it.

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xou - Reply to #600

You could have provided the Link to it :)
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1716575#pid1716575

<< Comment #599 @ 08:10 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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rax-

STANDARD OF PROOF - CRIMINAL CASES
The criminal standard of proof on the prosecution is proof beyond all reasonable doubt, which means proof to a high degree of probability but not proof beyond a shadow of a doubt. (Miller v Minister of Pensions).

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This isn't a Criminal case (obviously), it's more civil than anything. In which case it's on the balance of probabilities - more/less likely.

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This standard in law would indicate that just because SyncError can justify some of the reasons (with reasons which are really unlikely), and he went to great lengths to do so, it would not remove the fact that it is possible and more importantly, extremely probable.

In order to prosecute, you do not need to have 100% guaranteed evidence, just enough which would leave you beyond all reasonable doubt. Sure, if there was 1 or 2 things from the 2 demo�s available then it could be doubtful but that isn�t the case, the fact is that within 2 demo�s there are around 15 or more moments which appear odd.

Some of the facts:

1. Yuka improved drastically overnight (after years of being average at best � being a good q4ctf movement player does not explain sudden duel/tdm aim/game improvement (fan boys))
2. Yuka has shown many irregularities in the only 2 demo�s available (which were recorded back to back I might add)
3. Yuka won�t provide any demo�s � not even the few minutes of k1ck � vs. � Broken (yes disconnections but wasn�t there 3 maps played?)
4. Yuka tried to remove the image of his �new mouse� from his ftp (and blamed the ftp going down while it was still online)
5. Yuka has cheated in at least 2 other games (q2 and cod4)
6. Yuka has lied many times e.g. he doesn�t keep logs (yet manages to paste things months after they were said), he has given 2 different reasons for his cod4 ban (he used a key from online and someone else hacked = ban, he was victim to the irc text dump which anti-cheat finds and bans for in logs = ban � which one is it?)
7. Yuka has always had a very /ragequit attitude and would quit the game every 2nd day because he lost to some �nab� but is now beating pro�s (spartie, unity, strenx) and has come close with more e.g. fooki. (and on dm13 where fooki and spartie are both good while yuka has only just started playing the map)
8. Yuka said on TS2 before buying the mouse: "I will hit much more man, like 40+lg all the time - I can feel it"
9. The 2 RA spring rails are actually as soon as he peaks the top AND you can see him lining the shots up on r_shownormals 1 (if you have a look at the Quakelive hacks at 1:16 you see the hacker doing the EXACT same thing but with lg and a little bit slower to aim on the target � funny that). One time? Maybe. Twice in a row? Come on.. (re plasma spray justification: The plasma spray was coming from a different side than the one where Yuka pinpoint hits the enemy as soon as he peaks � sound is good but not THAT good) (yes, I know this �fact� is actually just one of the irregularities but I think it deserved a mention).

SyncError is an ID Dev but let us not forget the blunder he made regarding HotsauceQ4, who was CLEARLY hacking.

This man, 44 years of age, was managing to hit 40lg-50lg (not bot-like in appearance either) and went from an average of 60rg to 80rg in under 2 weeks. His movement was terrible (sounding familiar yet?) and his play in Q4 was average at best (even according to Yuka himself), yet on QuakeLive he could out aim fox with ease. HotsauceQ4 even used to invite other players to spec him in instagib, he was that confident about his hacks. Also, after being defeated in an instagib FFA by myself (which he was raging about), he went to play vs bots to �tweak his sens� (this happened numerous times and always resulted in him hitting 5-10% higher accuracy with whatever gun he felt was poor).

My point? SyncError may well be a Dev but his opinion on this matter is worth next to nothing (ok not nothing but it�s no more valuable than your average Joe).

Yuka�s defense:

1. Yuka clinging to (and twisting) SyncError�s post
2. He had a �broken mouse� which hindered his ability (despite hitting 30-40 on average � really broken indeed)
3. There were specs who were like �wow wp � you should�ve won (vs spartie)).

I think, given the facts, the probability of Yuka hacking far outweighs the possibility that he doesn�t and has just vastly improved overnight.

Maybe this has turned into a witch hunt but I don�t think the entire (EU) community is wrong.

So, yea. I don't really know why people are shouting for "100% proof".

EDIT: Yuka was my friend before all of this started, so I had nothing against him, nor have I lost a game to him(though I haven't been playing much lately - so I'm not saying he could or couldn't beat me, just that we haven't played) and went all 'omgwtfyouhax'.

Edited by rax- at 10:04 CDT, 8 July 2009

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yuka - Reply to #599

your forgeting this is computer games i mean cmon how the fuck can a person be so seriously retarded like you, you probably go kill yourself or somebody over games right?

treat such stuff as if beeing arrested irl..i mean thats just hillarious givin examples from cort of law, omg really your one sick minded person, i think everybody even mates who know you for 10years can see that you fuckin dont see the difference between internet and rl anymore,always were and will be a twisty fuck behind back, telling shit out of your own ego. your so damn "good" that u actually made a ranking of elite.squad clan in which u placed yourself on the top spot. only that can tell you much about credibility of this person and how sick minded and egoistic he is.

i am hacker for all people.. so what u want now? u have what u want , all people hate me all ppl think i hack nobody wants to play me anymore, so what is your gain in this? are u extremly happy now, caus u value yourself so much more then me and yet cannot ever make my results vs those people. i am not afraid to admit that i dont rlly care afterall , why would i bother with this stuff anyway .. think what u wanna, think u pwnd me so badly and that i feel so bad answering u this stuff okey whatever makes all of you happy :) i was alot serious about gaming and it meant close to rlly alot for me, i was addicted to a point of sickness, but i realised and i am happy you all did this thread caus it only helped me to realise how sick and full of retarded people this gaming scene is and see that i dont belong in such place.

i could answer u every single point u noted in your post,like plasma was really on my left side , but u seem to close your eyez when it moves from my left to right side, or stupid comments like i had only "good movement" in q4 while yet, in my movie preview you can go check the shoots which u wont ever make in your lifew ith your fancy "good aim" and those shoots displayed are even 1000x harder then any shoot displayed in your lame movies of me "hacking", ,.. or that all this stuff happens only in 1 lucky onfire game. I could explain you in detail why you are wrong for every single point, but why would i even do that? its no point.. i dont wanna bother anymore with this stuff

SO WHATEVER , if all of you feel happy about me haxing, then OK I AM A HACKER YES U GOT ME BRAVOOO ! ! ! YES YOUR PROOF IS 100% ITS NO DOUBT YEP! just get a life already mkay?

regards.
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Edited by yuka at 08:52 CDT, 8 July 2009

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CAREEM - Reply to #603

watch your language boy

noone pwned you, he told the truth

A real pure player would have ignored this thread, he would have give us the proofs soon as possible (demos), he wouldnt have insluted every one. You defend your self exactly like every cheater does. Full of bullshit, full of excuses, full of lies and full of humiliation yourself.

Edited by CAREEM at 09:01 CDT, 8 July 2009

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yuka - Reply to #606

oh yeah your so right careem, can i cry now? can i be so sad now LOL , why would i wanna defend or clear myself over something i didnt do or if i am innocent? I dont bother if 10000 ppl call me cheater.. i dont need to proove anybody anything. Believe me i wanted, i even invited you to my place and planned to make video cam recordings.. but after thinking about it and seeing how seriously retarded is to do that abou fuckin computer games and bunch of morons who dont even know me and think they know me caus of past \ online stuff , i realised that i dont rlly wanna bother myself with it. The only thing this thread done is made me loose my motivation to even care or play online games anymore , so even if i prooven myself and do all that shit, i dont rlly see a point in continue for myself.

hf

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CAREEM - Reply to #608

As I said at irc, since we caught him he will rather quit then continoue playing without hacks =P However, you still can prove us wrong with the demos. At CB game you played 3 matches, = 3x 20mins, 3 maps. Perhaps if you got disconnected during the game you can send us the short part of the game you have played? And case will be closed, everybody will be happy, but prove us wrong with a demo please.

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tourist - Reply to #608

don't forget to write

<< Comment #607 @ 08:59 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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rax- - Reply to #603

Yes it's a computer game but there are a few people crying for 100% proof, I'm simply pointing out that even in real life, for much more important things than a hacker like you, they can convict on less than 100% undeniable evidence. I googled "beyond all reasonable doubt" and was given the court example, it wasn't as if I went seeking it (my gf is a law student and that's why I knew the term to begin with:))

Why would I kill myself, or someone else for that matter, over computer games? I'm not the one who ragequits every 2nd day because I lost a game.

"and yet cannot ever make my results vs those people"
Actually, I have won vs some of those players and with far less time played than you and without hax - so really well done.

I didn't want to bring you down, I was always encouraging you to push yourself but I genuinly believe you're using hacks now. Don't try and make this a personal attack in order to justify it, I never had anything against you, just hackers.

The plasma spray moved to the middle of the pad then stopped. But sure, one time. But the 2nd time within 10 seconds, no. You also fired both shots from the same point of your ascend.. come on.

P.S. I didn't insult you once and instead of replying to each point, like you said you could, you decided to insulting me. Nice.

EDIT: "your so damn "good" that u actually made a ranking of elite.squad clan in which u placed yourself on the top spot. only that can tell you much about credibility of this person and how sick minded and egoistic he is."

I think you'll find that NEVER happened. I can paste the irc logs from when we discussed this. Even Fragma, who you said told you, has no idea what you're talking about.

Edited by rax- at 04:27 CDT, 9 July 2009

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vedic - Reply to #603

The worst part about all this is that you think that YOU are the victim.

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Nukm - Reply to #603

stop posting this essays cause noone will believe you anyway. try to get a camera and record yourself while palying a good palyer or an important match. or just stop caring about what otheres think about you.
what you currently do doesnt help you at all

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CAREEM - Reply to #618

maybe he could give us CB games, he said that he recorded there, but he got disconnected once. how about rest of two maps they played? maybe this can prove his innocence

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Malice - Reply to #603

Edited by Malice at 15:15 CDT, 8 July 2009

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1.style - Reply to #599

When Yuka started quakelive we recruited him into eS (with me/rax/fragma etc) where he was clearly one of our lesser skilled players but he showed dedication. We knew he hadn't played quke 3 but had been fairly decent at q4.

After 3-4 months he showed improvement in the understanding on TDM but not a real improvement in aim/performance other than that he now didn't die 60times each time we played dm6.

He left, joined k1ck and continued to be of fairly average skills (better than the majority of public but less skilled than 6-7 other players in k1ck)

Then one day he buys a new mouse and a player from k1ck (unnamed) gets excited and tells me now that yuka is owning.

02(k1ck-player02) k1ck-styl0r
02(k1ck-player02) yuka is playing pretty well
02(k1ck-player02) now
02(k1ck-player02) i think he should play main team
02(k1ck-player02) rlly
02(k1ck-player02) =)
02(k1ck-player02) he is playing awesomely atm
02(k1ck-player02) dunno how
02(k1ck-player02) he is aiming 50 lg
02(k1ck-player02) and dunno
02(k1ck-player02) playing insane
02(k1ck-player02) he said he bought new mouse

Hmmm odd. That was after 1 day with a new mouse?

Next:

02(k1ck-player02) and saw yuka dueling
02(k1ck-player02) unity
02(k1ck-player02) and
02(k1ck-player02) calipt
02(k1ck-player02) and he won both
02(k1ck-player02) :)
02(k1ck-player02) and also won vs doj

Wait just a second... He beat Calipt? the guy that was in finals of an online duel tournament with at least 4 other top players?

02(k1ck-player02) playing pretty good imo
02(k1ck-player02) one of the best atm
02(k1ck-player02) i dunno how

02(k1ck-player02) styl0r
02(k1ck-player02) yuka is getting just better
02(k1ck-player02) he raped 30 - 12
02(k1ck-player02) ddk
02(k1ck-player02) today
02(k1ck-player02) lost 1 frag vs draven
02(k1ck-player02) lol
02(k1ck-player02) and lost 13 - 9
02(k1ck-player02) vs fooki
02(k1ck-player02) dm13

Omg it's like the ownage thing went to his head. That new mouse has lead to yuka narrowly losing to a brainer, on a map he hasn't even trained at.

02(k1ck-player02) yuka also won
02(k1ck-player02) vs spartie
02(k1ck-player02) on duel
02(k1ck-player02) he is playing rlly good
02(k1ck-player02) all of the sudden

How can this getting good "all of a sudden" not be suspicious to absolutely everyone?

Yuka I'm sorry if somehow you are innocent. but I doubt it.

Edited by 1.style at 09:10 CDT, 8 July 2009

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apoxic - Reply to #604

Dont worry, he doesnt care anymore, and he will tell you so in 2 pages of text in broken english.

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uniiity - Reply to #604

Hmm I never played that guy oO

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rax- - Reply to #779

He was using a different nick: sakuraba

http://www.quakelive.com/#profile/matches/Sak...46/Tourney

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uniiity - Reply to #794

Oh that explains it :)
Actually I remember that game, I've played carelessly (as I thought it was an unknown and low skilled player) ; I did a 10 frags comeback, still he took the lead at the end with a very nice lg rush, hitting 50%. Besides that particular situation & some nice rails I can't really say if his aim was legit or not.

Edited by uniiity at 04:49 CDT, 12 July 2009

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MaNi_DaDuDe - Reply to #604

Respect.

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linkoo - Reply to #599

I totally agree with you, even if he doesn't get banned by SyncError, he'll be banned from clanbase? aren't you obligated to record every single "official game" and then he says that he doesn't have the demo? anyways, after all the comments he's been posting here he's just making it worse.

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ini - Reply to #637

He didn't just play the game against broken either, he also played against Hooligans (No disconnects that I can see) the night before and against Biffa on the 17th/06 (Where he doesn't seem to have done too well).

So where are his demos for that?

Edited by iniiiiiiii at 12:25 CDT, 8 July 2009

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1.style

"In the phrase 'conspiracy theory,' there are two words. The first word, 'conspiracy,' the second word is the active word, 'theory.' By definition, a theory is a supposition, an idea, a concept, a hypothesis. Let me give you an example: In theory, if I purchase a raffle ticket, I could win a prize. Now as long as I don't purchase a raffle ticket, my win is theoretical. But once you purchase a raffle ticket, the win is no longer a theory, it becomes a possibility, and the more raffle tickets you purchase, the more possible, and eventually probable, the win becomes. Such is the case with a conspiracy theory. As long as there's no evidence, it is a conspiracy theory. But once you have a piece of evidence, no matter how flimsy or circumstantial it may be, it becomes a possibility, and the more evidence that is gathered, the more possible, and eventually probable, the conspiracy is." - Dave vonKleist

ergo: as soon as we have 1 piece of evidence that Yuka is a hacker, there becomes the possibility.

And the more pieces of evidence we can produce, the more likely this 'theory' becomes probable.

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rax- - Reply to #611

That.

<< Comment #610 @ 09:02 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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meh_

There is some serious lack of pictures in this thread :(

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AL|EN '

Another example of rail WH:

1:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0Dzg50T9xk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HyRy5ZdSCs

and so on ...

EDIT: And my favorite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q6lpK5exXE

Cheater wins ClanBase cup ...

Edited by AL|EN at 09:37 CDT, 8 July 2009

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Gandhi

I dont have anything against you personal. I think you are a nice guy yuka. You are an emotional character, I think the guys who played with you always tolerated that... but this time these thing went too far.
I am almost sure that you were cheating in those 2 weeks what the topic is about. I have no personal motivation to accuse you, the only thing might be that I have lost 2 maps of fun tdm at this time. I am not 100 percent sure since there is no solid proof.

Instead of taking demos after the accusations you were raging at the forum writing 5-6 pages of comments for excusation. All you should have been doing is posting a few demos from these games, where people find you suspicious or post new demos on you play the same level. You personally didnt post one.

... and one more thing about EU scenes tolerating level, the guys from broken didnt say a bad word about you still. (that shows class) And lot of others who also have their opinion, didnt post here anything.

There is only a tiny chance imho that you didnt cheat. If it comes out that I was wrong I will be sorry til then prove us that you are not guilty in wallhacking with uploaded demos from those 2 weeks.

<< Comment #619 @ 09:25 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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lolvc

Enough is enough! I have had it with these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking plane!

Ban him

<< Comment #623 @ 09:43 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #619

<< Comment #624 @ 09:55 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #623

this movie was a comedy to me =P

<< Comment #630 @ 11:29 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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Lightn1ng

Interesting, I can confirm the COD4 thing where he got kicked for some string that PB was looking for, it happend also in ET and was solved by PB later on.

And about this stuff, you cannot say the videos are proof it;s stuff anyone in quake could do and can all be related to prediction etc .

I played with him in COD4 and can say that he was in the first weeks not that great but improved within a few weeks being top fragger and owning top clans.

I didn't write this to say he cheats but i can confirm that I did check on the k1ck team on how he was in quake etc they all said he was clean. I couldn't find any proof in COD4 and just like now there is no proof so I'll stay with my conclusion that he's really skilled or he cheats in every game but for now you got no proof so let's keep it on skilled.

Only thing to proof he's clean or not is that he plays on a LAN cause as far as i know he hasn't played on LANs yet and if he did be sure to let me know yuka.

Greetz,

#tag.et

<< Comment #631 @ 11:31 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #630

So he was bad
Got good quick
Then got PB banned?

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Anonymous (62.189.169.182) - Reply to #631

he should change his pattern
like using cheats from the beginning. maybe in his next game.

<< Comment #632 @ 11:39 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #630

maybe he bought a new mouse back then

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lolvc - Reply to #630

Pointless post, you asked the k1ck team if he cheats? Lol for asking his teammates and lol because you have no idea, if they all admit it they will be removed from clanbase etc. It is a big reason why i chose to leave k1ck as i knew that k1ck is good without yuka, but it is now already on a bad path and i can't play with him, style(still in k1ck) and rax (similar team before) - all thinks he cheats. So that statement is flawed.

Next, you confirmed that this type of ban in cod4 exists, well fuckin done genuis... if you read any of the above posts this was mentioned several times. However you did not actually confirm yuka's relationship to this ban did you? Therefore taking it completely out of context.

Finally, you didn't watch the demos so keep quiet, all these videos we're done in 2 games.

Edited by nVc at 12:34 CDT, 8 July 2009

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Lightn1ng - Reply to #633

If been part of kick for ages, and knew eden, i asked just for some info on yuka on lans and performance.
Stop posting your anger for k1ck on me, been around the block with cheaters a lot of times already so stop whining with lolol.

I only mentioned and confirmed that the faulty PB error exists and that yuka indeed got kicked in the beginning of COD with that error code.

And finally I didn't watch the demo, I watched those youtube links that don't say a lot.

But considering the stories I heard here and the things he did while playing in COD4, there are some similarities and for that he's indeed more suspicious for being a cheater then being a skilled player, but never found hard proof only like here things to speculate that really makes him look dodgy. He could clear all if he went to a lan and perform there but i doubt that will happen any time soon.

For now HF in investigating this matter.

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ini - Reply to #640

You're not a Quake player and therefore your opinion on the videos is meaningless.

Also, for me, a LAN wouldn't clear him at all. There have been tonnes of players in other games that are top tier LAN players who have been caught hacking in online games and we had Sombra catch himself (Long time, LAN proven player).

Edited by iniiiiiiii at 13:00 CDT, 8 July 2009

<< Comment #635 @ 11:54 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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f0cus

Poor Yuka :<

I'm really starting to feel bad for him. Anyone know his age?

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sonic - Reply to #635

too young to realize dedicating your heart and soul to cheating at odd little computer games is a waste of time, I hope.
there's still a chance he'll grow out of it and find something constructive to do. we're rooting for you yuka, you can do it!

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zuphrin - Reply to #635

somewhat around 24 afaik

<< Comment #644 @ 13:02 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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yuka

I am 15 my parents dont let me lan yet :))

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rockz ' - Reply to #644

now u r famous

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h8m3 - Reply to #644

[+] for tricking C O O L L E R

<< Comment #645 @ 13:28 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (62.189.169.182)

Is clanbase going to allow this?

I'm not saying to ban k1ck, or yuka (yet!) but at least they should ask for the demos in this kind of situation. And after the review or non delivery of the demos, take the proper measures.

Cheating on offical competions should not be taken as softly as cheating on pubs.

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CAREEM - Reply to #645

don't think CB admins are aware of this, but this will be bad in the name of whole k1ck team

Screenshots of CB game: http://clanbase.ggl.com/news_league.php?nid=323645&lid=9258
Yuka played here at 1st map at least 16mins as you can see on screens. And the next two games are fine, without any drops if you check yuka's scores.

This is also a CB game where yuka didnt have drop outs: http://clanbase.ggl.com/news_league.php?nid=323564&lid=9258

Yuka where are demos? What will be an excuse for these demos? Or it will be ignore again?

Edited by CAREEM at 13:51 CDT, 8 July 2009

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Anonymous (static-77-86-86-157.karoo.KCOM.COM)

Both my left n right mouse buttons are broke after jsut a week coz i bought a fucking MX518 Special BATMAN Edition!!

Yes left click is rebound to the + sensitivity button and with right click im fucked coz u cant rebind that ....

Im getting a propper MX518 come friday tho , will I improve like this tho ?

<< Comment #648 @ 14:06 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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Adel

point less thread

<< Comment #650 @ 14:33 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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Makie

YUKA WHAT??? OH NOES

Attached Image: 70377-psyduck.gif (15KB)

Edited by Makie at 14:41 CDT, 8 July 2009

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Anonymous (g91219.upc-g.chello.nl)

After much debate and watching House, we have come to the conclusion that the result of Yuka's sudden improvement can be attributed to a severed corpus callosum, improving the imagistic, intuitive and perception of motion functions of the right hemisphere.
This would also account for his loss of verbal, logical, sequential and grammar skills (all of which are functions of the left hemisphere) as evident from his posts in this thread.

I trust this settles the matter.

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exp! - Reply to #651

it's not lupus anyway.

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Gandhi - Reply to #651

Nice comment optimizer ;)

<< Comment #656 @ 15:28 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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Aaron

if he is running with spartie, fooki, draven and so on then he cheats

aim doesn't make you good, the stuff needed to duel among those guys does not come overnight or over a period of a few weeks

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c1 - Reply to #656

aim can improve significantly but duel is more brain than aim.
Thats what I dont get. It took me over 2 years to get a mid skill dueller.

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light - Reply to #656

fooki improved just as fast when he started out.

<< Comment #657 @ 15:55 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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lolvc

if this thread reaches 666, it's a clear sign to ban him

<< Comment #658 @ 16:02 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #657

ban yourself for proving yet again to be a total fucking retard.

<< Comment #666 @ 19:07 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #658

click here

Currently half price, i recommend you buy one.

Edited by nVc at 19:08 CDT, 8 July 2009

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Anonymous (125x100x97x10.ap125.ftth.ucom.ne.jp) - Reply to #666

he'll probably buy his wife a ring from there

<< Comment #689 @ 04:44 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #686

nothig wrong with a bit of ol' izzy duke!

<< Comment #660 @ 16:43 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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Putka

At first every1 was laughing at stermy 1on1 lessons and too high prices but in fact it really helps :P
In quake most commonly at duel game you usually know where your opponent is even if you don't hear it or see it but you just predict as usual when you play 100 games against the same player you can already know where you gonna get hit from or where he would stand waiting for the armor and similar cases.

<< Comment #662 @ 17:46 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #660

pUtKA - p & t + y = YUKA

go away

<< Comment #663 @ 17:59 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #662

no, he is not yuka :P putka was my clanm8 of clan + in Q2

<< Comment #668 @ 19:52 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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phz - Reply to #663

You can't argue with a mathematical proof as elegant as that!

Q.E.D

<< Comment #690 @ 05:30 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #660

oh thx, didnt know

Edited by Nukm at 05:31 CDT, 9 July 2009

<< Comment #664 @ 18:48 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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PuPPeT

Since when fps gamers get 10-15%+ accuracy when they are playing with a new/different mouse ?

u always need some time to get used to a new mouse(even if your previous one was broken).

Edited by PuPPeT at 17:34 CDT, 10 July 2009

<< Comment #665 @ 19:03 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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fuzz

Every second team in ET/COD has cheaters, fuck online gaming.

Don't trust people online.

:(

Edited by fuzz at 19:18 CDT, 8 July 2009

<< Comment #667 @ 19:35 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (d54C44FAA.access.telenet.be)

Well here is post 666.

I can't really tell, I catch myself shooting walls, but only if i just saw the person passing there and fire where I think he will be (this sometimes being walls..)

<< Comment #683 @ 02:53 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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PuPPeT - Reply to #667

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1717072#pid1717072

:(

<< Comment #669 @ 20:05 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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phz

Yuka, would you be willing to setup a webcam to record yourself playing top quake live players?

Just one recording of you holding your own against top players like spartie, strenx, or fooki should be enough to stop accusations.

<< Comment #671 @ 20:21 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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Predator21 - Reply to #669

This would be an easy way to prove everyone wrong.

<< Comment #685 @ 03:00 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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GUArd - Reply to #669

you cant see aim-helpper by webcame..

<< Comment #670 @ 20:07 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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zkyp

selfowned by trying to defend himself, wow.

<< Comment #672 @ 20:52 CDT, 8 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1716864#pid1716864 <--- yukaaaaa!

<< Comment #691 @ 05:36 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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Gandhi

Yuka got banned cause he wrote he was cheating (imho for fun, but whatever), so you can close this topic now.

<< Comment #692 @ 05:41 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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rax- - Reply to #691

Though I think it was partly down to violating the EULA agreement (by having too many fakenicks or something)

<< Comment #698 @ 06:20 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #692

Where can we see confirmation that he is indeed banned?

<< Comment #693 @ 06:04 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #691

We don't close topics on ESR :P

<< Comment #704 @ 07:44 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #691

because he didnt want to send us demos CB TDM he wrote "for fun" that he cheated. Lul'z...

anyway, where he wrote that?

<< Comment #706 @ 07:52 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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rax- - Reply to #704

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1716608#pid1716608

<< Comment #696 @ 06:18 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (62.189.169.182)

so is he banned? didnt syncerror said he couldnt see shit?

<< Comment #699 @ 06:38 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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rax-

I was only told about it but as Gandhi has also said, I'm sure he is banned (though the news probably came from the same source..)

<< Comment #703 @ 07:37 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #699

http://www.quakelive.com/forum/member.php?u=24326 doesn't look banned.

<< Comment #705 @ 07:48 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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rax- - Reply to #703

What should it look like? Banned players can't connect to anything but empty servers as far as I know, I don't know anything about the forum info.

<< Comment #708 @ 08:09 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #705

I assumed it looked like http://www.quakelive.com/forum/member.php?u=1080229

However, perhaps players banned from the game are not by default banned from the forums (I just figured the forum and game account were linked).

<< Comment #710 @ 08:15 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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rax- - Reply to #708

Could be but I'm not sure. You would probably need to ask SyncError for confirmation regarding this.

<< Comment #712 @ 08:19 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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rax- - Reply to #708

How are you finding usernames on the forum anyway? :[

<< Comment #780 @ 06:53 CDT, 10 July 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #712

Just did a search for posts done by Yuka, he's actually written a post so it was found that way. Finding the banned player wasn't especially hard either, as there are so many banned guys around :)

<< Comment #732 @ 09:31 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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Nukm

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1700681#pid1700681

CAREEM: ... I told to my buddy yuka like 1 month ago ...

;)

Edited by Nukm at 09:32 CDT, 9 July 2009

<< Comment #735 @ 10:13 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #732

whats wrong with this? xD

<< Comment #737 @ 10:20 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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Liam - Reply to #732

Holy shit, it's a conspiracy. Here's what I think is happening:

Careem is secretly yuka's friend and knows he cheats, yuka realised he was being found out and asked careem to help him hide it by accusing him and then acting like a retard by arguing absolutely retarded things like his mouse doesn't look new and the resolution of the images he posted are too high for a mobile phone, he did this to detract from the actually convincing things like him shooting at people behind walls and the retarded RA shot.

Nice try guys, you almost had me convinced.

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<< Comment #739 @ 10:31 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #737

jack point

<< Comment #748 @ 12:06 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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Liam - Reply to #739

jack point indeed.

<< Comment #750 @ 12:39 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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Memento_Mori ' - Reply to #737

lol

<< Comment #753 @ 12:57 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM

http://www.turboupload.com/9172cpc1naue/yuka_...n.rar.html Q2 xD

<< Comment #754 @ 13:00 CDT, 9 July 2009 >>

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Makie

fatass got a point.... i mean slovenians are well know about their shenanigans.

<< Comment #763 @ 01:35 CDT, 10 July 2009 >>

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squishy

I think Stermy should pick up this Yuka story to promote his lessons.

results within 2 days or your old mouse back

<< Comment #765 @ 02:11 CDT, 10 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (static-77-86-86-157.karoo.KCOM.COM)

Is this all we have then ?
Is there no more.

I was really enjoying this thread :(, have it on my favourites

<< Comment #766 @ 02:45 CDT, 10 July 2009 >>

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squishy

This thread has serious lack of the guy with the rainbow avatar, clan519 or something. And Walter or KGB also need to say something. Just to add insult to injury!

<< Comment #774 @ 04:40 CDT, 10 July 2009 >>

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toy

tf is goin on

<< Comment #778 @ 05:20 CDT, 10 July 2009 >>

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reyu

don't stop this shit is amusing ;D

<< Comment #781 @ 07:12 CDT, 10 July 2009 >>

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lolvc

Well yuka has dissapeared since being accused, he hopes everyone will forget about him.

Since he's now banned i can confirm that currently, Yuka is spending all of his time in an internet cafe practicing to become good without his new mouse hacks.

<< Comment #787 @ 14:41 CDT, 10 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (193.pool85-49-149.dynamic.orange.es)

Just be careful with the screenshots you upload.

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<< Comment #788 @ 15:52 CDT, 10 July 2009 >>

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zealot - Reply to #787

:D

this.

<< Comment #789 @ 16:11 CDT, 10 July 2009 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #787

and this guy knows that he is talking about...

<< Comment #790 @ 19:22 CDT, 10 July 2009 >>

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cato

CAREEM: what was the proof of yuka cheating in Quake2? Also did he nick as Yuka there too? And did he admit cheating in Quake2?

Wasn't there a player called Yukatan in Quake2? Hopefully not the same.

<< Comment #792 @ 04:51 CDT, 11 July 2009 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #790

ctrl+f

use it.

<< Comment #811 @ 12:09 CDT, 12 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #790

there is a link of demo on my previous. It was not yukatan from norwey, its yuka fom slovenia. Yes, he admited cheating in Q2.

<< Comment #855 @ 11:14 CDT, 16 July 2009 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #790

nah, don't think so, because yukan is only 15, whereas yukatan was an oldskool player I think

<< Comment #793 @ 04:52 CDT, 11 July 2009 >>

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juM8o

wasnt yuka admin of spontan 1on1 tourneys etc? :DDDD

anyway he clearly cheats, but I kinda understand why... some people arent just talented enough to get ever accuracies over 40 with LG... its a shame your genes suck yuka :::DDDD

Edited by juM8o at 04:55 CDT, 11 July 2009

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ini - Reply to #793

LOL EGD

<< Comment #806 @ 11:50 CDT, 11 July 2009 >>

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Putka

Soon it will be one of the biggest LANs on our grounds including q3 1on1 tournament but I doubt he will sign up for it. The LAN will be held from 17.7 till 19.7 on the coast. Maybe he will show up :) Who knows :P

<< Comment #809 @ 10:41 CDT, 12 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (c-68-51-162-206.hsd1.ga.comcast.net)

Fucking cheaters should be drug out in the streets and shot. You're making Quake Live miserable for everyone. They should be burned alive!

(virtually of course)

<< Comment #812 @ 14:26 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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Poil

I don't know if Yuka cheat or no.
He was a good Q4 player, there are some years he was a nice Q3 player.
These movies aren't enought for me, we will now see if he'll keep his skill in next weeks or no ...
Yuka, try replaying strenx & co, make demos and upload these (or give us all demo you already have) !

Regards,

<< Comment #815 @ 09:09 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #812

"nice q3 player", he ever played q3?

<< Comment #814 @ 07:27 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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Elmanchot

net heroe !

<< Comment #816 @ 10:59 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (static-b4-248-60.telepac.pt)

Eden aka hate in quake3 portuguese scene also cheated we had demos and SS and everything, when this things were given to the q3 capt he just did nothing and he is still in k1ck team, dunno if he still cheats but probably he has some skillz now.

<< Comment #817 @ 11:42 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #816

sad to hear that..

<< Comment #823 @ 18:04 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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Eclips3 - Reply to #816

Man show those demos or gtfo with your anonymus posts.

Edited by iniiiiiiii at 18:05 CDT, 14 July 2009

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Allancer - Reply to #816

and you are?

ps: rape... was that big?

<< Comment #820 @ 18:03 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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- Z - - Reply to #816

Please press "1" if: You are a ragged noob who got raped!!
Please press "2" if: You are an idiot.
Please press "3 if: All the above applies to you.

I have demos of you cheating also!!! And Careem! And Rax!!! And And.. ill just keep them to me.

kiss kiss

Edited by - Z - at 18:03 CDT, 14 July 2009

<< Comment #821 @ 18:04 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (87-196-203-29.net.novis.pt) - Reply to #816

How stupid can you be ? Eden won lans in Portugal where he smashed the competition as in Lanfield back in 2006 and Estoril

<< Comment #825 @ 18:06 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #821

Well, so did Sombra...

<< Comment #826 @ 18:24 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (87-196-203-29.net.novis.pt) - Reply to #825

He is one of the most respected players in Portugal, playing in the best and most respected eSports team here.

<< Comment #827 @ 18:24 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #826

Well, so was Sombra...

<< Comment #829 @ 18:34 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (87-196-203-29.net.novis.pt) - Reply to #827

Maybe Barak Obama is cheating too ? He killed that fly too quick and without even seeing it -> Aimbot and Wallhack ? After you get a brain on special discount, see the Obama demo to hf posting something more

<< Comment #831 @ 18:36 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #829

Wow, amazing reply.

I know who eden is and I don't think he cheats so calm the fuck down.

The problem is, your two posts show the exact same things from the Sombra case and those things were posted by many Spanish anonymous players defending Sombra.

<< Comment #832 @ 19:02 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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- Z - - Reply to #831

Im not anonymous tho.. the nick is Zearth, remember it bitch and tell your grandsons i've spoken to you.

<< Comment #833 @ 19:04 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #832

That's nice.

Lots of non-anonymous Spanish players also used those arguments too.

<< Comment #834 @ 19:17 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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- Z - - Reply to #833

yes, but i'm the one you'll always remember!

Anyway, "I know who eden is and I don't think he cheats" so no point for me trolling. I'll w8 for another chance \o/ /me waves to Careem the mighty detective =D

cheers, have a beer!

edit: typo :P

Edited by - Z - at 19:18 CDT, 14 July 2009

<< Comment #835 @ 19:28 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #834

I don't think I'll remember you at all.

<< Comment #828 @ 18:30 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #827

=]]] +

<< Comment #856 @ 19:34 CDT, 16 July 2009 >>

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linkoo - Reply to #827

I'd say zubich is a better example, was very looked up to in the russian scene and they were rather disappointed to find out after they played austria.

<< Comment #861 @ 08:18 CDT, 17 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #856

It would be similar to Sombra.

<< Comment #819 @ 16:48 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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ultra

Can someone summarize as this thread has way too many replies.

Has he actually posted some demos yet or is he still denying everything?

<< Comment #824 @ 18:06 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #819

Didn't post any demos and disappeared.

<< Comment #830 @ 18:34 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #819

He didnt provide any demos of at least CB games where he actually recorded. Besides he was so obvious with his stats and rape games against pro gamers. And caught cheating now in QL i'd say, Q2, CS, COD and who knows in what games he also cheated.

Tbh I would like to see the demos of eden too. Hope he can give them to us here. I know he is not a cheater, but he did amazing score against av3k's team. I think this demo could be a worth watch.

Edited by CAREEM at 18:38 CDT, 14 July 2009

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ChOu - Reply to #830

Why the hell dont u stop whining around forums calling everyone cheater? If you get bored please, shock ur head with a wall...

OK about Yuka's case (seems finally u got proofs) but now against eden? who the hell do u think u are? a kind of judge? Maybe u can apply @ IDSoftware to get a job as first human anticheat system, something like:

CAREEM is now checking ur computer and analyzing ur stats please wait.... it may take 3 or 4 days to complete the process, be patient he's just one guy... BUT HE'S REALLY GOOD DOING THIS!

C'mon dude, just stfu and let people enjoy the fucking game.

Edited by ChOu at 19:51 CDT, 14 July 2009

<< Comment #837 @ 19:55 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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sonic - Reply to #836

i 101% agree with you there m8, spice girls - who do you think you are is the best song ever

<< Comment #838 @ 20:02 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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ChOu - Reply to #837

OK, i accept it as an add to my post, it will add some rythm to it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YriinrRGug

<< Comment #840 @ 20:12 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #837

Had to plus you +

how can chOu fail so badly?

<< Comment #842 @ 05:13 CDT, 15 July 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #830

They had yuka playing againt av3ks team and it doesn't look like that team was all that good anyway...

<< Comment #902 @ 21:38 CDT, 10 September 2009 >>

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Fejl(Folklore) - Reply to #830

I saw that demo of eden on both dm6 and 7 and I can tell you for sure that he did not cheat^^

What's wrong with you anyway? Don't you have anything better in your life to do?

<< Comment #903 @ 23:55 CDT, 10 September 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #902

who said that eded was cheating?

<< Comment #907 @ 06:03 CDT, 11 September 2009 >>

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Fejl(Folklore) - Reply to #903

You seems to suspect him..

<< Comment #844 @ 02:50 CDT, 16 July 2009 >>

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noctis

he is a cheater and he just got another one of his fake accounts banned yesterday.

<< Comment #846 @ 07:33 CDT, 16 July 2009 >>

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Martel - Reply to #844

it's official, noctis is law! yuka cheats!

doesn't get more concrete than that =P

<< Comment #847 @ 07:39 CDT, 16 July 2009 >>

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noctis - Reply to #846

Well i played him yesterday without knowing its him right after i played vs stermy and that guy pulled off 10 times more ridiculous rail shots than stermy could ever dream off (same for lg). I reported him to id and i got told its yuka and they then banned him again.

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<< Comment #848 @ 08:23 CDT, 16 July 2009 >>

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azmo - Reply to #847

Neat, need to put you up against every one of these 100-0 fakenickers so we can find out who cheats and not!

<< Comment #850 @ 09:41 CDT, 16 July 2009 >>

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Badb0y - Reply to #848

noctis the cheat detector :>

<< Comment #853 @ 10:25 CDT, 16 July 2009 >>

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Martel - Reply to #847

and i've played you, and the shots you pull off are f'in ridiculous (particularly the double air rocket from RG > bridge, thanks for that), i gave up at 14-0 =P

if you're gettin stressed playin him and havin doubts, then ill take your word as law! \o/

<< Comment #860 @ 05:55 CDT, 17 July 2009 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #853

why dont care about opinions of quitters, sry

<< Comment #854 @ 10:38 CDT, 16 July 2009 >>

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Malice - Reply to #847

You got told by who?

Some1 confirm this 1!!1

<< Comment #859 @ 00:14 CDT, 17 July 2009 >>

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crv - Reply to #847

with wich account did you play him ?

<< Comment #849 @ 09:40 CDT, 16 July 2009 >>

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Yellack

so basically all cheaters can create a new account and we have to find/report them again? :/

<< Comment #851 @ 09:43 CDT, 16 July 2009 >>

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Badb0y - Reply to #849

the important thing is now we know yuka, he can�t join a lan tourney. if he wins a online tourney it will getting out who the player really is.

<< Comment #852 @ 09:56 CDT, 16 July 2009 >>

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apoxic - Reply to #849

Just like... any other game?

<< Comment #857 @ 19:55 CDT, 16 July 2009 >>

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zuphrin - Reply to #852

In other games though you would have to buy the game, which most people don't want to afford just for cheating.

<< Comment #858 @ 20:17 CDT, 16 July 2009 >>

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apoxic - Reply to #857

Yes, but why would a Free game be any better at that point.

And about Yuka's mysterious "warez CD-key ban"-case, well thats just how a lot of them get around buying new keys I guess.

I honestly dont think cheating among players who actually have a chance to beat the top will increase just because its a free game.

<< Comment #862 @ 05:35 CDT, 23 July 2009 >>

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sn1kzZe

new mouse? if anything when buying a new mouse, your aim goes down a notch and it takes weeks to adjust back.

unless hes buyin the same mouse he used, which isnt the case since his old mouse is mx518 ?

<< Comment #863 @ 06:33 CDT, 23 July 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #862

obviously a cheater :P

<< Comment #864 @ 13:43 CDT, 8 September 2009 >>

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crea* '

Missed the drama but watched the youtube vids now.

I think it's nice that syncerror puts in so much effort just to rule out an unfounded ban.
On the other hand I think the vids were crystal clear, because of one thing: the enemies he tried to rail through walls were not visible to him.

Every half skilled player knows reflex rail shots, when you see an enemy dissappear behind a wall. You shot out of reflex to where you predict the enemy, but that's behind a wall. Nothing too suspicious there.

But if you don't even see the player, there can be no prediction and no reflex shot.

In the scene on dm6 were yuka was at rail and tried to rail the enemy through the wall he could not see the enemy moving before. So that's undeniable proof.

<< Comment #865 @ 15:40 CDT, 8 September 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #864

Later he was caught cheating with his fake (same IP - yuka and fake) and got banned.

<< Comment #866 @ 18:45 CDT, 8 September 2009 >>

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AL|EN ' - Reply to #865

Hahha YE !

<< Comment #869 @ 19:57 CDT, 8 September 2009 >>

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crea* ' - Reply to #865

How was he caught? Is there more e-evidence?

<< Comment #867 @ 18:59 CDT, 8 September 2009 >>

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retire - Reply to #864

a lot of effort for a bad troll, so you must just be stupid - being out of sight doesn't mean you can't be heard. although no 100% solid evidence has been given, yuka has been banned for cheating. is this fair? i dont think so, but everyone else does. the majority always wins, even if they're wrong.

<< Comment #868 @ 19:56 CDT, 8 September 2009 >>

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crea* ' - Reply to #867

Sound had nothing to do with the shot in that specific situation. It looks very suspicious, like he confused the two walls he was behind as one and took the shot even he should not be able to see the enemy behind the wall. That and the miracolous skill boost in a few weeks with a new mouse and him supposedly mentioning it before he even got the mouse, very suspicious.

<< Comment #870 @ 21:50 CDT, 8 September 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #867

if there was no evidences then why the hell did ID ban yuka?

<< Comment #873 @ 06:55 CDT, 9 September 2009 >>

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retire - Reply to #870

They based their decision on probabilities, inadaquete evidence and surrendered to the witchhunt. It surprises me a little that a wannabe-pro community has such a disregard for real professionalism and integrity and even moreso that id would be unable to see this and rise above it.

If id really had impenetrable proof they wouldn't be worried about publicizing it. Therefore, until I see 100% proof, this will forever be an imprudent witchhunt that id wasn't professional enough to grant a reprieve until true evidence was found.

<< Comment #877 @ 20:47 CDT, 9 September 2009 >>

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Reyn1r - Reply to #873

I kind of feel the same way. Though I think he got banned for joking(?) that he had indeed cheated, rather then it being proved that he cheated. He really didn't help himself here. :P

<< Comment #895 @ 14:55 CDT, 10 September 2009 >>

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zuphrin - Reply to #873

Reading helps at times.. "Later he was caught cheating with his fake (same IP - yuka and fake) and got banned. "

<< Comment #898 @ 17:02 CDT, 10 September 2009 >>

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retire - Reply to #895

"Caught" with no proof, yes. Using your brain helps too.

<< Comment #905 @ 01:34 CDT, 11 September 2009 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr - Reply to #898

sup in UK YUKA?

<< Comment #916 @ 09:59 CDT, 13 September 2009 >>

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zuphrin - Reply to #898

There is really no use to talk to a retard like you. :) I'm actually fucking happy that I don't play quake anymore, especially q4 where it seems that there are the most idiots. :)

<< Comment #917 @ 11:12 CDT, 13 September 2009 >>

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retire - Reply to #916

I don't play anymore either as I'm living in a new house with really bad internet nowadays :)

Regarding calling me a "retard", its you who can't work out that there is no evidence in this case. I suggest you learn to read before challenging an intelligent native speaker. Perhaps if you didn't bail on kane and the movie you wouldn't feel guilty enough to bring up Q4 in such an irrelevant way.

Edited by diabz at 11:22 CDT, 13 September 2009

<< Comment #919 @ 22:06 CDT, 16 September 2009 >>

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linkoo - Reply to #917

FACT: he has cheated before, FACT: he admitted cheating and got banned. Maybe you should've looked more into it.

<< Comment #920 @ 04:26 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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retire - Reply to #919

Fact 1: Yes, but that doesn't prove he cheated in QL

Fact 2: No, it was a sarcastic confession, and it actually makes you witchhunters look very stupid and as you bring it up as fact is quite hilarious desperation. I don't understand why you want someone banned so much, he hasn't done anything wrong.

This is your so-called confession: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1716608#pid1716608

And this post by yuka just shows what you stupid cunts have done with no evidence: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1716620#pid1716620

You remember those noobs on public servers who called you an aimbot? That's you right now.

<< Comment #921 @ 04:27 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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retire - Reply to #920

you know, i don't care about yuka, or whether he cheats or not, i just care that he's banned without 100% evidence.

<< Comment #922 @ 14:07 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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linkoo - Reply to #921

You don't get it do you. You can't have 100% proof if the guy won't even share demos. Put yourself in his shoes, would you leave the community or face the embarrasement of being busted by sending a demo of yourself cheating, when he was obligated to record & send, refused. Whatever man, you don't even know who he is, haven't even played him.

<< Comment #923 @ 17:30 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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retire - Reply to #922

"Whatever man, you don't even know who he is, haven't even played him."

This is quite hilarious, cos i know him very well from Q4 playing with and against him, and I saw him play a lot on QL. What if it was you in his position? I'm not saying you would ever have the motivation to improve as much as he did, but surely you can empathize with someone who hasn't even been proven a cheater, yet banned from the game and community? Whatever man!

<< Comment #871 @ 05:37 CDT, 9 September 2009 >>

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stier

You know guys, I am a totally medium duel player, but there where like 2 or 3 situations where I clearly got confronted with wallhacks... I didn't know there are any cheats, so I decided not to report those guys... Now I know better...
Ignorance, Arrogance, Dependance, guys, get a life!

<< Comment #878 @ 21:49 CDT, 9 September 2009 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #871

There are hardly any cheaters though in ql... so chance is high that they were just good (but ofcuz there is a chance that they cheated... untill someone figures out a way in which nobody can cheat in any game)

<< Comment #872 @ 06:30 CDT, 9 September 2009 >>

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spartaz0rd

could i know his fakes???
I guess mentalyILL was one.

<< Comment #879 @ 22:54 CDT, 9 September 2009 >>

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calleking - Reply to #872

Was it?

Was a real cunt. Got emo when he got beaten and came back a few weeks shafting like cypher.

<< Comment #883 @ 01:11 CDT, 10 September 2009 >>

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illogic - Reply to #879

i remember his over night skill boost but i don't know if its yuka or not.

<< Comment #874 @ 14:11 CDT, 9 September 2009 >>

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Dird

Firstly a couple points I'd like to make.

1. Not keeping a receipt does not mean he's lying about buying a new mouse. When I buy online I don't keep a receipt because I can't be bothered to send it back in the post. I also don't keep receipts for most things I buy in proper stores (never returned an item of clothing for example).

2. That 'photographic evidence' to prove his mouse is new/old is nothing. Firstly I don't see anything there to prove that it is an old or new mouse. For starters he's using a camera phone, shit in quality, with his flash on. Even with a better quality camera scratches could be the result of dropping it when taking it of the box etc.

These are stupidly dangerous arguments and shouldn't be used as they could be used as increased force that leads to others being unfairly punished ("oh this video is 50-50 but he doesn't even have a receipt for this new mouse and it looks damaged...he's lying about the mouse so he must be lying about cheating too").

That said the videos are pretty weird and such a steep % increase isn't attributable to a new mouse. When I got a new mouse it took me probably over a week before I was comfortable and even then it was the same stats. The only time I saw a big & quick rise was when I went from using a mousemat to just using a smooth wooden table.

I call wallies.

<< Comment #875 @ 19:55 CDT, 9 September 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #874

He could have publised the CB demos but he didnt want, why?

<< Comment #880 @ 00:32 CDT, 10 September 2009 >>

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Dird - Reply to #875

Firstly, a lot of the top players would refuse to upload demos at certain times to avoid giving enemies an advantage. Secondly, CB is shit, I haven't uploaded demos to there even though some cups have asked you to; I even hate uploading screenshots as its so shit with it's file size & image size caps. Finally, if you asked him after this post/accusations started then of course he wouldn't as it would be used to find more evidence. Even if you were completely innocent you still wouldn't want to upload them as the witch hunt has now begun and people would look for any little thing and then you have the point where what for most people's demos is just a lucky shot, when it's his its further proof that he's cheating.

Anyways I already said I think he cheats.

<< Comment #882 @ 01:10 CDT, 10 September 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #880

Man you are full of shit. Why didn't he want to prove us wrong with the demos?

<< Comment #885 @ 03:10 CDT, 10 September 2009 >>

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Eviili - Reply to #882

cause its fucking offending!?Dird has a point id feel exactly the same...but then again he was caught in several other games and thats something u cant washout just like that.

<< Comment #891 @ 09:45 CDT, 10 September 2009 >>

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apoxic - Reply to #885

Someone calling you a cheater when you're not in fact cheating is the opposite of offending.

<< Comment #888 @ 06:28 CDT, 10 September 2009 >>

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Dird - Reply to #882

I am full of sh*t? First of all, many top players don't upload demos for the advantage gain reason. I'm not saying this was his reason, just pointing it out.

The reason he doesn't want to provide them is because he doesn't want to provide them is because he doesn't want to add to syncerror's initial (and correct) concerns.

That said an innocent person could still do the same thing and refuse if a thread regarding them had this level of response/stick poking. The US scene has accused people of hacking lots (i.e. walter in CTF & then 1v1) and on a pretty large scale (large amount of community accusing) but he still did great in the CTF tournament at quakecon this year (although crap in 1v1).

<< Comment #890 @ 08:39 CDT, 10 September 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #888

OH CMON! I give up!

<< Comment #894 @ 12:22 CDT, 10 September 2009 >>

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Dird - Reply to #890

are you retarded? I said i agree that he cheats. i just dont agree with some of your retarded arguments

<< Comment #876 @ 20:44 CDT, 9 September 2009 >>

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Anonymous (cpc1-shep4-0-0-cust777.lei3.cable.ntl.com) - Reply to #874

he had a mouse that he said was broken "since he bought it" :) he had it 1/2 years

think about the receipt thing for just a second :)

<< Comment #881 @ 00:35 CDT, 10 September 2009 >>

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Dird - Reply to #876

That mouse could have been 2nd hand or it could simply be bad english or overemphasis where he just means 'right away' as in like a week or so.

If you're struck by lightning does that mean you don't leave the house again to be safe? No, because the odds of it happening twice in a row are so slim.

Anyways I already said I think he cheats.

<< Comment #892 @ 09:48 CDT, 10 September 2009 >>

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apoxic - Reply to #881

If I could keep a small piece of paper in my pocket just to bring me 100% insurance of not getting hit by lightning again, I sure would :)

<< Comment #893 @ 12:16 CDT, 10 September 2009 >>

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Dird - Reply to #892

then youre a weird faggot like all these other people who always ask for a receipt

<< Comment #886 @ 03:46 CDT, 10 September 2009 >>

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Anonymous (88.222.151.160)

Yuka, to be honest, I actually think you're a cheat! However, instead of whining and defending yourself here on forums, you should go to some LAN event and show the community how good you are. I mean, no one's 100% sure if you cheat, though, you could make that clear on some LAN event. Rumors aren't gonna stop and you that. Well, I hope everyone's wrong and u actually have gotten better, still, it's nearly impossible to get sooooo good at aiming (against pro players) in such a short period of time.

Best of luck.
ANONYMOUS.YES.ANONYMOUS

<< Comment #887 @ 03:46 CDT, 10 September 2009 >>

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Anonymous (88.222.151.160)

Oh, and yuka's probably gonna say: "I can't attend LAN events just yet, ain't got time, blah blah blah". Or, he would say: "yeah, but I would get even more nervous (which is kinda true) at LAN and my aim would get kinda bad etc. (it would go down more than ~10% I guess).
Anyways, only way to prove you aren't cheating - LAN!

<< Comment #889 @ 06:59 CDT, 10 September 2009 >>

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Vayne

People can blend in cheats with the gameplay, but its just a matter of time before they slip up. How many times do they have to slip up before they're considered cheaters?

<< Comment #896 @ 16:02 CDT, 10 September 2009 >>

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stunt.us

euro version of walter?

he going to practice an easier mod and then go to a lan and then say he never cheated!

<< Comment #910 @ 08:46 CDT, 11 September 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #896

or beat some washed up balding veterans from another mod to prove he doesn't.

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<< Comment #914 @ 12:25 CDT, 11 September 2009 >>

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stunt.us - Reply to #910

rofl +d

<< Comment #925 @ 19:48 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #910

lololol

<< Comment #908 @ 07:18 CDT, 11 September 2009 >>

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serak

First youtube video.. Very incriminating, but after watching the second video where it shows him playing the entire incident Im not so sure. He may have just been trying to flick-rail and missed his mark, but looking purely at the first video you have to wonder why he takes the rail shot at all even though Reyn1r is behind a wall when Yuka comes to peek around the corner. ( Point being that there is nothing to shoot at, but still he takes the shot ) But spamming shots is not entirely unheard of.

The third youtube video, it is impossible to tell. Without in game sound this video is completely useless as a means of telling if someone is using WH. But I do see why it is posted, he does seem to trail Reyn1r before deciding to go up the jump pad at 0:50-1:00, but like I said that could just be because he heard him up there. He does it again a few sec later where there is a battle in the water below, Yukos side wins it then Link comes jumping in and Yuko trails him from the other side, but it could easily be pure coincidence as he undoubtedly heard Link coming.

Fourth video has a pretty convincing point, since Yuko is aiming at Link the entire time he goes up the jump pad. But lots of people can make a shot like that though, especially when they are feeling cocky after being 20+ frags up.

All in all he very well could be cheating, but judging from these videos it is impossible to tell. Especially when it is a TDM match, if it were a duel match it would be easier to tell as there would be no way to be sure if your opponent is actually there so you would see some signs of uncertainty. But in these matches he obviously knows the location of his enemies because they are in combat with his team mate.

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crea* ' - Reply to #908

First youtube video.. Very incriminating, but after watching the second video where it shows him playing the entire incident Im not so sure. He may have just been trying to flick-rail and missed his mark, but looking purely at the first video you have to wonder why he takes the rail shot at all even though Reyn1r is behind a wall when Yuka comes to peek around the corner. ( Point being that there is nothing to shoot at, but still he takes the shot ) But spamming shots is not entirely unheard of.

At first I suspected that tankjr would stick out of the edge of the wall more, but I dismissed that because keel model is not smaller by very much.

What does it matter what happened before or after the situation in the first youtube vid. He fires a rail at a wall, so far so good. But after watching with shownormals people realized he shot at the exact spot the enemy happened to stand at behind the wall, at that moment, there is no way that could be coincidence.

Although I have an alternative explanation, maybe he doesn't use wallhack but oversized models, that would also explain that specific situation.

<< Comment #915 @ 12:27 CDT, 11 September 2009 >>

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stunt.us - Reply to #913

how couldn't it be coincidence? newb. it happens. you shoot at a wall or spam and sometimes the enemy might be there or not who knows. Not every demos is watched with no walls. But to say it's not possible is wrong. its possible.

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crea* ' - Reply to #915

It could still be coincidence that's true, but it's very unlikely. It wasn't a spam rail either, because if he wanted to spam he would have aimed at the edge of the wall, not right at the wall. And two incidents in one demo and they are both coincidence? Makes it even less propable.

Edited by crea* at 18:10 CDT, 13 September 2009

<< Comment #924 @ 18:32 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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judge717

Whether he's hacking or not.

The fucker needs to buy a belt of the proper size.

<< Comment #926 @ 06:55 CDT, 1 October 2009 >>

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zuphrin

OMGOMG a movie of yuka!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hYqqm_Ojow&am...rofilepage

<< Comment #927 @ 15:14 CST, 9 November 2009 >>

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sol4r

Guess this thread should be bumped? :D

<< Comment #928 @ 15:20 CST, 9 November 2009 >>

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mammon - Reply to #927

Totally, too close to 1000 to leave it as it is.

<< Comment #929 @ 15:26 CST, 9 November 2009 >>

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sol4r - Reply to #928

http://www.fragster.de/kurzmeldung/9705/shub-.../comments/

There's an English part of text there aswell

<< Comment #931 @ 17:37 CST, 9 November 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #929

=]

<< Comment #930 @ 17:21 CST, 9 November 2009 >>

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h8m3

g9? cant be! would believe if it was xai/g9x tho!

<< Comment #942 @ 05:50 CST, 10 November 2009 >>

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cyan

I like banana pie.

<< Comment #943 @ 06:14 CST, 10 November 2009 >>

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Xyloe - Reply to #942

Cheese pie

<< Comment #944 @ 04:13 CST, 11 November 2009 >>

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terrorhead

???

<< Comment #946 @ 10:45 CST, 13 November 2009 >>

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therm

I have just read the whole topic and what I know for sure is that people who start this kind of discussion are allways an irresponsible scum with no class. It is a very delicate case and should be solved in more elegant way.

<< Comment #947 @ 12:58 CST, 13 November 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #946

he got caught anyway, after he got banned. I'd say EOD.

<< Comment #948 @ 17:24 CST, 15 November 2009 >>

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luKrek - Reply to #947

He did? Nice

<< Comment #949 @ 15:11 CST, 18 November 2009 >>

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baron Railgun :

I found for example this guy with strange stats, mihon:
http://www.quakelive.com/#profile/statistics/mihon
you know the theory that that's because usually the winning guy has better aim, right? after I've seen, his moving is kinda shit, and even when he's loosing, his aim is better -constant 50% shaft ftw -is he Lugia or what?

<< Comment #950 @ 15:21 CST, 18 November 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #949

I have played him plenty of times.. and i know his aim... dunno if he is that good or he uses bot, but still i won every match...

<< Comment #951 @ 15:30 CST, 18 November 2009 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #950

that's what I'm talking about -he's dumb as shit

<< Comment #953 @ 03:58 CDT, 22 June 2011 >>

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kalston

Why do I see this on the front page of ESR instead of the news? lol

Edit : RAY MUST HAVE HACKED ME FFS

Edited by kalston at 04:03 CDT, 22 June 2011

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raythenoob - Reply to #953

lol noob

<< Comment #954 @ 19:42 CDT, 22 June 2011 >>

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Anonymous (77.3.85.102)

i loled hard after seeing those videos.
so funny they are really discussing here.
its so evident ... so evident for anyone.

and syncerrors stories. omg its unbelieveable what kind of people work for id.

<< Comment #955 @ 02:29 CDT, 23 June 2011 >>

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Lave

1,5 year thread necro
fags :D

<< Comment #957 @ 05:15 CDT, 24 June 2011 >>

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nude-fox - Reply to #955

fucking i read the whole thread without looking at the date :(

<< Comment #958 @ 07:08 CDT, 24 June 2011 >>

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faerie_ - Reply to #957

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1627195

at least this one is funny.

<< Comment #959 @ 05:39 CDT, 2 September 2013 >>

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Anonymous (88.124.17.96)

Another raising from the grave, but I took notice of the fact that he said having a job as well as stating that he was only 15. I dunno the legit age to work in his country but hey, that's hella young.

#644 "I am 15 my parents dont let me lan yet :)) "

#250 "and sry i didnt record demos, nobody ever asked me demos untill i had couple of nice wins vs good players.. from now on i am always recording, but i dont get to play much games, because either ppl dont wanna train with me caus of all this bullshit, or i am busy with gf/life/job.."

Nice try pal.

<< Comment #960 @ 05:05 CDT, 22 July 2014 >>

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c1

I necro this thread because its soooooo funny =)
its a classic :D

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<< Comment #961 @ 08:57 CDT, 22 July 2014 >>

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GNiK - Reply to #960

You bumped a nearly year old thread which got bumped by another guy that bumped it 2 years later from 2011...

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c1 - Reply to #961

right, it should be bumped till 2019 then its 10y old and can die... until someone will necro it again =)

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sonic - Reply to #962

=)

<< Comment #965 @ 19:48 CDT, 14 August 2016 >>

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esdf '

haha careem & linkoo must be 2 of the biggest fucking imbeciles on this website for taking yuka's "confession" (actually sarcasm) seriously.

"confession": http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1716608#pid1716608

Edited by esdf at 19:52 CDT, 14 August 2016

<< Comment #966 @ 00:47 CDT, 15 August 2016 >>

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wem420

Guys i cant find ANY YOUTUBES of YUKA, do you have demos i can watch! want to see some full games vs good plyers

<< Comment #967 @ 14:46 CST, 23 January 2017 >>

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c1

bump bump bump
necro necro necro!

3 years till 2010 =)

never forget yuka