no

doubt it, fatality quit as soon as he started losing

Fatality stopped playing Q3 in 2002. Cooller started dominating from 2003 onwards from memory.

till 2005

and we all should of stopped following quake in 2006 or 2005

this year has had some pretty amazing tournies imo

Yeah, we had the last big tourney back at 2006. Its the same this year tho :)

The people who say fat give up when he started losing read like twats to me.

In case you all forgot he won the PK championships and he was a successful quake 4 player. And he owned at the start of q3.
If he was the first to PPP then well done him. Its not as if he's not done anything since.

Ok the guy is annoying at times, but at least he's not a bitch nigger.
Face the facts, if Fat players a game he's always a top contender,
Considering all the top players can beat each other on a god day why don't you just leave it at that.

He's still by far the most successful gamer IMO.

agreed just correct your post typos, also hes the only one technically speaking to become close to a millionnaire from gaming skills alone. He got his company started off from his name as a gamer brand and merged with existing companies, the only other player who kind of made a fortune from the gaming industry but unlike fatality not from using his gaming skills and building a brand was thresh, who kind of individually used his entrepreneurial skills and sold that gamer chat software.

fat's a top contender until he starts losing then disappears of the map, he tried a Q3 comeback and failed then left it at that

he probably watched the ruskis at WCG 2002 from home and thought 'holy shit I've got no chance' let alone the skill gap increase that was shown in 2003 (eswc and coooooooooooooooooooooooooollllllllerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr)

good for marketing himself but anyone that has followed the 'hardcore' scene can see straight through it

doom 3, avp and ut were total bullshit

Q4/PK can be argued both ways, he still dropped Q4 though didn't he? could be wrong there

he's good but he's like oscar de la hoya, amazing at bullshitting and marketing and when you look into what he has actually done and VS who you see a whole load of steaming shit

bare in mind that you need to be passionate to have the drive to play enough and be the best, maybe he decided he lost that passion. You can harderly call him for playing doom 3, AVP and UT because he got something out of it, doom 3 he got an easy 10/20k as the field was weak, AVP he won a stenciled car/truck and ut made a 10k or so dollars so harderly time wasted.

certainly not time wasted just look at him now :)

and the passion was there, that's the way he gets good, just play an absolute shed load from day one non stop but that only works so well because once that skill level becomes a standard for everyone you have to think new stuff up and push the boundary :p

but at least he's not a bitch nigger.

How could you fail to address that gem in your reply? :D

"Ok the guy is annoying at times, but at least he's not a bitch nigger."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA WTF

He quit Q3 when real competition showed up.

He played PK with only Vo0 to get in his way. Vo0 is hardly a top tier player.

He played Doom 3 with Daler as his only competition. Rocketboy shows up and he quits.

Gets into Quake 4 and loses to Toxic. Don't give me that bullshit about cooller/etc - av3k and toxic were the only ones really taking the game seriously.

He claims that he was waiting for a game that truly tests his skill, and he commonly refers to Q3 as that very game - yet when Zero4 calls him out to show up at ESWC, he ducks out like a little bitch. Funny that, since z4 got knocked out and fat would have as well. They probably wouldn't have even gotten to play each other!

He plays shootouts against HORRIBLE players. I actually wonder about some of them, as they're impressively bad. I think it was 2-3 years ago when he had a shootout at Quakecon and a guy comes up - big black guy, if any of you remember - and they ask him what clan he's in... he pauses as if to try to think about it, and comes up with "TEAM LEET". I'm not entirely sure he's ever used a mouse before. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the people he goes up against were paid to be there to lose.

On the flip side, he's lost to both Daler and rocketboy in doom 3 shootouts. Daler even beat him in a hilarious showing on dm6 in Q3. (a + to anyone who can link to that demo)

Imagine what a good player would be able to do in PK.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1645847#pid1645847

I am not sure I remember enough of this to make a solid post, but your bias against fatality is a bit much. Claiming Vo0 to be a less than a top tier competitor is just ignorant. Fatal1ty also dominated the q3 scene for a certain period of time ( When the prize money was by far the biggest ), so moving on to other more exciting and lucrative games seems like a good idea. It is right that he started losing more than he was used to so it might have been the reason he thought that moving on to other games was better for him. Not being able to dominate a certain gaming scene forever is kind of pathetic though I agree. (Btw his shoot-outs are not on a competitive level and more of a novelty act )

Claiming Vo0 to be a less than a top tier competitor is just ignorant.

Don't get me wrong, Vo0 is pretty good, but he still needs work. People shouldn't overemphasize the victory Fat had over him in PK when the game was so new, and the fact that Vo0 wasn't even as good as he is now.

There's a lot of misinformation about Fat, and too many people give him credit when it isn't due. It's almost as annoying as the whole Ecstacy fiasco.

Nothing is more annoying than you and your stupid bullshit.

I know the truth hurts, but pay attention and you might learn something.

He quit Q3 when real competition showed up.

I'll just comment on this one.
There was plenty of 'real competition' around, Lakerman, Polosatiy and so on. Just because the game has evolved to this shaft xerp fest doesn't mean there weren't good players back then.

Perhaps you should begin by learning how to respond to the correct post. After that, you can attempt to both read and understand (at the same time, now) what I said.

You new fish are such jokes.

Nice job avoiding my reply.
Go find an electric chair and end your miserable life you worthless yank.

Since you've gone out of your way to fail, I've decided to reply to you here to make you wish you didn't.

I'll just comment on this one.

Promises, promises...

There was plenty of 'real competition' around, Lakerman, Polosatiy and so on. Just because the game has evolved to this shaft xerp fest doesn't mean there weren't good players back then.

Good is relative to the period in which they play. Being pro at q3test in the first week it came out does not mean that your victories hold any weight with current standards. I can't think of any way to make an easier example for you, and I'm sure you'll still find it difficult to comprehend... so, please, impress me with your fanboyish stupidity and unrestricted ignorance. I have no doubt that you'll exceed my expectations.

I can't think of any way to make an easier example for you, and I'm sure you'll still find it difficult to comprehend... so, please, impress me with your fanboyish stupidity and unrestricted ignorance. I have no doubt that you'll exceed my expectations.

That's brilliant, just another typical internet forum trash talking with zero argument.

Q3test?????????????????????????????? LMAO. Fucking idiot.

Thank you for exceeding my expectations. Honestly, I thought you might actually try to make a real response and argue against my point.

Don't you have bots to be losing to?

could you two just stop bitching lol

I think you're a pretty cool guy.

But you seem constipated.

LeXeR, daler, stermy, zyz, Ztrider and Stelam all played PK too.

Shit game and those guys aren't ZeRo4/Cooller/toxic/czm but I think you've oversimplified that PK aspect a little.

Granted, but I get tired of making the same arguments over and over. =/

In case you all forgot he won the PK championships

yeah but seriously, when you count all of his games from that WT vs Vo0, its obvious Vo0 was better, by far. AND won more money in the end.

and he was a successful quake 4 player.

not really. i dont remember him winning anything. only thing worth mentioning is that final vs toxic. he lost that one in the end, too. (btw, surely surprised me with that first bo3)


he owned at the start of q3.

but as someone already said, got the *fuck* out of it quickly, after zero4 started his 2000-2001 reign + russians came in the picture. and he pronounced his failed comeback in 2002 a success, cause he won 1 dm6 vs zero4. thats especially sad.

the fact is, he's a quick learner, and can be the best for some short period of time, till the others catch up. and then its time to look for a game that noone plays, but has nice prize money.

Fat won the world tour, and not vo0. Vo0 might've been better if you look overall during the year, but when it actually counted the most, Fat was better than vo0.

because of the bullshit structure of the World Tour itself. lets see, all the stops had the same players but winner takes all at the very last stop? the only thing that really set it apart was more money (afaik) and more media coverage. if the WT was like F1 where every stop was taken into account... Vo0 would have walked away with the title.

Fat was a good PK player though and was pretty consistent throughout the year... which is why he seems to be "accepted" by some as champion. imagine if zyz who placed 4th in New York won the "finals" with a little bit of luck... would you view him as world champion?

voo dominated painkiller, and was unlucky to have a bad day on the day of the finals. you can't really say fatal1ty had a bad *year* or something like that.

well, voo won 5 out of 9 stops, fat won 3..

can really find it right now, but as far as i remember in -vs- throughout the year it was like 24:14 in maps for vo0 in total

He's still by far the most successful gamer IMO.

And that's why ppl are bitching. He isn't the best player out there, hes the one that had the most preparing and practice at the time and at the place, and its natural ppl find that disturbing.

ah yes

always with the fucking racism

think the last tournament he played was WCG NYC 2002 where he lost to chao

now realising that's where cooller made his first mark, it would have been nice if fatality had qualified, might have seen him play cooller!

They did play in Quake 4 tho, and fat won that one quite clearly :)

2:1

2 > 1, he clearly won.

2:0 is a clear win for me. 2:1 is a close game/win.

It's still pretty clear that he won...

What is about 2>1 that isn't clear to you?:)

u can look through clean windows without any problem but on the other hand u can also see through dirty windows.
but the first one is still clearer.

and when im telling to my father that i won clearly my badminton game versus xyz then he thinks "ok, my son won 2:0 and not 2:1".

in general u r right. but there are different pov's and interpretations.

He won 2 matches out of 3, what isn't clear about that?

These semantics are killing me!

hah, i loving u :)

U FUNNY:Ddd

I meant clearly as in "obviously...he won", i didnt mean that he won big :)

I think Fatal1ty is a pretty cool guy. eh wins world championships and doesn't afraid of anything

he has 50 world championships. no one else comes close.

NO I HEAR HE GOT 715 WORLD CHAMPIONSSHIP INCLUDING YOSHIS STORY AND BATMOBILE RACING

homerchoice

You have heard correctly.

luckily for fat, no.


also... single L is blasphemy.

Fatality is better because he is American and Americans always win.

finally someone who knows what they're talking about

thats right

Oh yeah Rapha owned both Cypher and Cooller.

people give fatality a lot of shit, but he is very good when he wants to be.

the problem is that he only wants to be very good when there's money involved.

look that 2 demos
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1460499 0 cooller logan dm6 wcg2002...
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1643386 - fatality aim dm6 qcon 2002...

fatality did lose wcg2002usa... chaoticz daler and socrates in top3... very bad (fat on wcg2002 - awesome) and what a bad thing that he did lose to daler in losers final of qcon2002 (what a superfinal lexer vs fatality we lost)

cooller won wcg2002ru...

imho on wcg2002 cooller unkind were really top2 players and did must play in winners final...

about cooller fatality match... cooller - with rus ztn skill and his amazing dm6 perfomance he won zero4 on t2 (imho he did have chances ti win with a 20-0 score)
fatality - only a pro-t4 for his map versus cooller... (like cooller - socrates match)...
some facts : lexer won all usa - and sux in first round of wcg2002ru.. and imho in 2002 top 3 of world were - noBap cooller unkind

but yea that after a long time when fatality wasn't active in q3...
you must read polosatiy's column on c58 about fatality... where he said - fatality absolutly awesome player with his own style... one of the most talented quakers and he deserve all his wins...
fatality dominated in first part of q3 - when rulezz creativity part... cooller was a next ganaration - lexer on wcg2002ru after qcon 2002 was shocked by the skill of new rus players...

Why are you guys seriously talking trash about Fat? When he picks up his next game and you beat him in championships for it, then talk trash.

Better yet, when he does, he can.

brb, internet white knight

hi there new guy

you're talking to people who knew who fatality was long before you seen him on mtv

how did i know since the first moment i read this that you are an american?

Ya I may be new, and I am a proud American. But someone just tell me why every talks trash about him. Sure he may not be the best, but he is still pretty darn good.

He's not that good, and he is advertised that he's the best. He promoted the CGS which really only helped to ruin professional gaming even more.

Ok well that answered my question!

Also he keeps saying he's waiting for the next game to come out that he likes so he can compete in it.

Yet keeps doing shootouts with newbies on longest day in Quake4:P

first post of 2009 yay:)

i remember fat winning this first big quake 3 tournament. against destrukt.. or was it pele?, winning the final game on dm13 10-0 or something and totally trashing his opponent, pummeling him in the final minutes

i remember getting pretty crazy at those scenes :)

anyway, he introduced competitive play to q3, so he's a hero whereever he went from then. although he is sure gay with his haircut and his tiger, but hey, it wasnt til 1 or 2 years ago since the pretty boy CS aim faggots took q3 over (hello cpma netcode) and we all looked hideous

on topic: i dont think cooller and fat ever played

destrukt or pele? uh? pretty hard to confuse the two... maybe it was insanekill? or pi.obsolete

or maybe even makaveli or powerk!

his first really big tournament was Razer CPL vs. Makaveli

yop i think that's the one
might have been the XSI as well, but i guess we will never find out since i googled extensively yesterday and found nothing

http://quaketimeline.gillz.ca/?page_id=6

I think people are going a little bit too far to oversimplify the debate into either 'Fat is the best ever, he just wanted to win championships in other games too' or 'He's shit, he left cos he wasn't good enough any more'. Something between the two seems more reasonable to me.

Like Thresh fat strikes me as someone who wants to protect his legacy/legend to some extent by not competing when it is unlikely he can finish top 2/win. Personally I'd rather they didn't do that and just competed in every tourney they got the chance too but they're not me so what the fuck do they care? I'd have loved to have seen fat vs Cooller or CZM of 2005 or even the older ZeRo4 who wasn't the dominating one anymore. Fucked up thing about Quake is we never got to see certain matchups which is a shame as far as I'm concerned (Blue vs Lakerman on t4 etc)

Kinda reminds me of the people who whined on and on when Michael Jordan came out of retirement to play for the Wizards cos they wanted to remember him as the guy hitting a jumper over Russell to win his 6th championship and leave on top of everyone. Personally I didn't give a fuck, I wanted to see him play more and at every opportunity. I even wish it could have been taken further and the Bulls tried to make the same team work in 99/00 even if it was becoming less likely due to injuries/age.

This ties into my point about fat too since then we'd have gotten to see the Jordan/Pippen/Rodman Bulls vs the Shaq/Kobe Lakers (in their primes) and the Duncan/Robinnson Spurs. That prospect is tasty as fuck regardless of is some are on the upswing and others on the down.

Yeah, just like everyone would like to see Maradona play Pele. It's like that in all sports.

Most of us have already had this debate (on this site, even) 4 or 5 times. Who really wants to type out all those arguments over and over again?

Yawn

fatal1ty rocksszzzz!!!

cooller rockszzz too!!!

naaaahhh... i think im the one who rockzzz both of them... yeah!!!!!!!!
:D

wtf is wrong with you dude